Capitalism in the Third Reich: Economics of WW2 Germany

[@ReiMari12]

The idea that history could ever be apolitical is absurd. History is basically driven by politics.

[@alexzhang3870]

The Tik guy has a video claiming it is possible “completely objective”. Anyone that understand dialectics will not say this

[@jakexu2347]

History is apolitical, narrative is not.

[@ReiMari12]

@@jakexu2347 90% of history is political actions taken by political figures. That makes it inherently political. History is a byproduct of politics and politics is a byproduct of history. It is a never ending feed back loop.

[@jakexu2347]

@@ReiMari12 history means " his story", it's a study of past events, it doesn't matter who initiate it or who took the action, it's a record from 3rd person perspective, therefore it's inherently objective thus apolitical. History is records of action not action itself.

[@ReiMari12]

@@jakexu2347 That is mearly semantics. I and many others refer to history as more broadly the events and the record of them. Furthermore, "history" comes from the Greek word "historia" meaning inquiry.

[@andreamarino6010]

You're telling me that keeping the capitalist mode of production and the bourgeoisie state intact will result in being a bourgeoisie state with a capitalist economy?????

[@evenodd3339]

:o

[@night6724]

Except the economy was directly controlled by the NSDAP with large scale quotas and commissars managing the economy. The people were put above the profits

[@Real_MrDev]

@@night6724 What?

[@ayago9474]

@@Real_MrDev he is saying that the state still influenced the economy, leading to state capitalism, not even corporatism as achieved in italy.

[@vanson7709]

@@night6724 who let bro cook this hard 💀

[@comradejellobiafra4638]

"But...they had socialist in the party name!" -Graduate from Prager University.

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

"But... ANTIFA is fighting against Fascism!" - Amurican Leftists.

[@zephlodwick1009]

Just like how North Korea is a democratic republic!

[@karendarrenmclaren]

😂

[@iseeundeadpeople9]

Tell them about the DPRK.

[@189Blake]

Steven Crowder and TIK

[@snobhobbitmarx1767]

I come from Germany, and it's insane how often you hear arguments that are so close to fascist rhetoric. The ‘melancolic’ of the Sonderweg and the Germans as a kind of ‘tragic’ people. Being wedged between western ‘hucksterism’ and eastern ‘hordes’. Thank you Fredda and keep up the good work!

[@caramelldansen2204]

Fascism never left Germany. Just look at their support for Israhell.

[@gregthorpe6377]

They kind of are a tragic people in the sense that being in Central Europe made them the battleground of the continent for centuries, and ended with them being partitioned between two rival empires.

[@snobhobbitmarx1767]

@@gregthorpe6377 you can literally say that about russia, france, the Balkans and poland. And thats only Europa. Germany isn't special.

[@Badbentham]

​@@gregthorpe6377The Empire had been the one single European superpower until 1618. - After that it was mostly inner struggles , first between protestants and catholics, later, like in the 7 Years War which reached global proportions, between protestant Prussia and catholic Austria. This inner weakness has been used by (nearly exclusively) France from 1618 till 1815 for their own rise to the major continental power, as every German schoolboy till 1945 probably learned. - What you describe is indeed far more true for especially Russia , and China against the Mongols who conquered the land multiple Times.

[@coreyander286]

What's the German word for "hucksterism"?

[@somedipshtinthecomments2507]

Not Capitalism or Communism but a secret third thing (Capitalism)

[@joepetto9488]

They weren’t capitalists. They ran their economy on production owned by the state. Not on wealth exchange in a market.

[@BrickGriff]

​@@joepetto9488who owns the market?

[@dinamosflams]

​@@joepetto9488it just happens that when they nazis were in power there was a lot of privatizations and less starization than any other period in germany, before or since

[@joepetto9488]

@@BrickGriff we would get kicked off of KZbin for answering that question

[@ambmamb8370]

​@@joepetto9488why are you guys in every comment section

[@Awkward7176]

We're so back

[@ZER0--]

Lmfao.

[@Pioneer_DE]

I hate the "Sonderweg" theory! I hate the "Sonderweg" theory! I hate the "Sonderweg" theory!

[@drakmatheism]

@@Pioneer_DE What the fvck is the "Sonderweg" theory?

[@kurtphone1722]

@@drakmatheismdid you not watch the video? he explains it literaly 40 seconds in

[@drakmatheism]

@@kurtphone1722 I had to skip that part because my internet was failing.

[@Notimportant3737]

@@drakmatheismGerman exceptionalism kinda. It’s a theory of their history that supposedly explains the development and evolution of German political machinations that led all roads to a political movement like the third Reich instead of more liberal democratic ones.

[@user-8ng1ize]

@@drakmatheismthe theory of a special way to capitalist development, which was taken by Germany, in particular.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

The American mind can't comprehend this

[@agripinaa8684]

*incorrect buzzer*

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

@@agripinaa8684 nah

[@iwishiknewhowto1228]

@@agripinaa8684 ask the average american if nazis were socialist.

[@cameronmcleod8419]

The American mind is being faced with this quite directly this year.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

@@iwishiknewhowto1228 It's not even just that, it's that the average American isn't even capable of imagining that capitalism has flaws and can produce bad outcomes. It's literally a religion for us.

[@pietpanzerpanzer5335]

But TIK told me facism is when you follow through with critical race theory 😮

[@Alte.Kameraden]

He never said that. 😂

[@pietpanzerpanzer5335]

@@Alte.Kameraden if i remember correctly he did 😂

[@Skibidirizz1337]

no he said its a unitary movement of the bourgeoisie

[@Lonewolfdebnf]

@@pietpanzerpanzer5335He said that Nazism is racism not fascism you never watched his videos

[@Lonewolfdebnf]

@@pietpanzerpanzer5335 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5W8kHyDj61lgdEsi=pEFxSnbEyrBHUj6q

[@Drownedinblood]

Im going to reference this video if anyone ever wants to tell me the nazis were socialist and got along with socialists

[@intensiveintensives4887]

The Nazis were socialist

[@BB-vh8cj]

Just say that hitler said in his own words that the national socialist project is what they wanted,not Marxist socialism

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

I'll tell that so you think north korea is actually a democracy because it said it lol

[@Drownedinblood]

@USSAnimeNCC- no...and it's obvious you are pretty misinformed about the left.

[@Drownedinblood]

@@USSAnimeNCC- it's the right wing that says nazis are socialists...cuz national socialism...

[@SamuelKoepke-r3o]

Fredda, this probably the best work I’ve seen you do yet. Still there’s one thing you could’ve gone into more: How people can believe that the Nazis were Socialists, and therefore aliens from a different time and place. I think that it comes from the fact that they cannot accept that we live in the same world that allowed someone like Adolf Hitler to rise to power and destroy millions of lives: In their minds, it is impossible for them to do the same. It reminds me of Friedrich Flick, the story of whom you could’ve included. He was a businessman in the iron industry who amassed a fortune from WW1, which continued to grow in the Weimar era. Initially, he backed Paul von Hindenburg, but changed sides in 1932 and funded the NSDAP, a trend he would continue all the way until 1945, even becoming a member of the Circle of Friends of the Reichsfuhrer-SS. He would profit massively from the seizure of Jewish property, and employed 48,000 forced laborers in WW2, 80% of which could’ve died. Flick was sentenced to seven years in prison at the Nuremberg Trials in 1947, but was released in 1950. He would become the largest stock-holder in Daimler-Benz and the richest man in West Germany. He was awarded the Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany and became an Honorary Senator in the Technical University of Berlin. He would die in 1972 a free man, and his grandson maintains both his fortune and a sizable art collection. Flick’s story shows me something that the people who call Nazis Socialists and Socialists Nazis refuse to acknowledge, mainly because they live in societies built by people very much like Nazis: That we live in a fucked up world.

[@Ostvalt]

Part of the problem is that Socialist as a term means nothing. Even Marx himself never told us what kind of society it would be. So, is it so weird that normal people would say that parties that call themself socialist are socialist?

[@barsukascool]

@@Ostvaltsocialism is the collective or state ownership of the economy

[@SamuelKoepke-r3o]

@Ostvalt What @barsukascool said.

[@Scarfhead]

​@@barsukascoolWho owns the US economy?

[@barsukascool]

@@Scarfhead Parts are owned by the goverment, parts by private individuals.

[@Torgan454]

fredda make a video essay about my litttle pony economcis

[@FreddaYT]

I made a video about the Hoi4 MLP mod once I think it's the only Hoi4 video I didn't hide from my channel when I started actually making videos worth watching.

[@caffetiel]

​@@FreddaYT aaaaaaand now it's in my watch later

[@stingspring3168]

@@caffetielcan you post the link to the video?

[@caffetiel]

@@stingspring3168 probably not. YT hates links in commenrs

[@honshuu]

@@stingspring3168 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIrEo4t5iNhnrJYsi=PRV-I-e5oiT99WKH

[@drakmatheism]

This will embarrass Lewis (That's the real name of the guy know as "TIK History" or "The Imperator Knight")

[@jakefuck641]

Fredda and TIK both based their analysis on the same books, and literally quotes some of the SAME people. Reich economics isn't simple, it's as contradictory as every other part of Nazisim. The only reason TIK and Fredda conceptualize their economics as either Socialist or Capitalist, is entirely based of current day political disagreements. shit's stupid.

[@josephk.4200]

Knowing him, it’s more likely he’ll dismiss or ignore this video.

[@drakmatheism]

@@josephk.4200 Yes, of course

[@mikeyfisher4256]

@@josephk.4200 Or cope about how unrestricted capitalism is actually socialism

[@Asrahn]

@@mikeyfisher4256 This. My man literally said that publicly traded companies are the equivalent of public ownership. Genuine brain rot.

[@handeggchan1057]

The fact that there are TWO popular frozen pizza brands related to famous Germans from a World War (we have Red Baron in America) is crazy lol

[@JokerDoom]

The Nazi regime picked up a lot of their ideas from the American genocide of the natives, and the further oppression of Mexican immigrants. One of the reasons we don’t learn this much about the Nazis is precisely because it would condemn the Republicans and their policies.

[@Janoip]

@@JokerDoom I mean it also was the Democrats, if i remember right Republicans came from the Democrats after ideas of the members shited over time

[@in.der.welt.sein.]

@@JokerDoom what you say first is true, but you are a bit confused because it was the Democrats who were the party of post antebellum slave owners, of Jim Crow, whose members built the KKK, who opposed desegregation and civil rights. And even then, both had a highly racist world view. The Republicans wanted free wage labor not because of mere humanitarian concerns for the black slaves, but because they felt it was more profitable and that slavery was a fetter on the economy. Only after the mass movements of the 1960s did the parties flip flop. The Dems didn't come around to the positions they hold today out of some deep convictions but out of political opportunism. It's also worth pointing out that both parties today agree that immigrants are only of conditional value to the state and economy, that they must be regulated. They simply disagree about how many and how to best regulate this flow.

[@SarumanOrthanc]

​@in.der.welt.sein. The flip flop wasn't sudden. It was a gradual shift in power in the Democratic Party towards the progressive wing in the Northeast that alienated the conservative Democrats of the South. The Republican Party had been shifting towards conservatism with new leaders like Barry Goldwater and found a new voterbase in the South.

[@toast2300]

​@@in.der.welt.sein.the switch of the parties did indeed happen, but I don't see how that should affect modern US politics. We need to realise that while history does have an effect on politics, the circumstances of right now should matter more. Nowadays the situation is simple, right wing party that hates blacks and gays but loves Putin and other authoritarianism regimes, and right wing party that kinda doesn't do that. Maybe the Lebensraum and the rhetoric of Germany of that era was more fitting with the democratic party of then, but nowadays it's a different story. In the unfortunate polarised hellhole of modern US politics, I know who I'm choosing.

[@blede8649]

Russian youtuber Держать Курс made a series of extremely long and painfully detailed videos about this subject and about Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan and interwar Poland too, I highly recommend (they're in Russian, but English subtitles are available).

[@bantix9902]

Read Wages of Destruction, don't watch KZbin

[@whyus2000]

Mind linking them?

[@blede8649]

@@whyus2000 These are the ones on Germany - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqWzeJR9bMxmeac (Economy of Nazi Germany: I.G. Farben) - kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3-zeaGZqpdleM0 (Economy of Nazi Germany: Krupp). He also made a subbed English version of this one (kzbin.info/www/bejne/paqthamVprGkqas). This is on Italy. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pJXHnKmilNakeM0 (Italian fascism. Mussolini and the corporate state) These are on Japan - kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmTTdpluiLuBp6s (Japanese militarism: capitalism with samurai characteristics) - kzbin.info/www/bejne/onnRdqKLlJl9gNE (Japanese fascism: zaibatsu) And finally the video on Poland. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGaTpYech8yMr6c (Polish fascism: the Sanacja regime) He has other videos, but those are the only ones with human-written English subtitles.

[@applepretz5368]

Interwar Poland?

[@blede8649]

@@whyus2000 KZbin seems to mind me linking stuff. That's the channel name, you shouldn't have problems finding the videos there.

[@4marra]

my goat fredda is back, hope you’ve had a good week

[@FreddaYT]

Very good week thank you, I hope you were born in 1988.

[@4marra]

@@FreddaYT oh god i just realised how that 88 could be taken out of context 😭😭 i am born in 2005 fredda (i have changed my name)

[@TylerMarkRichardson]

​​@@4marraWhy does youtube show me two @ for you @4marra and @88marra Now it only shows 4marra

[@night6724]

@@FreddaYTTIK already addressed everything here

[@ValentineC137]

​@@4marra the list of dog whistles is terrifyingly long

[@whensonzhou4174]

It's not only omitted by the popular history narrative, it's intentionally ignored by the western text book. I was really confused then when my western history textbook and professor just blame it on scapegoat and racism in 1930s, especially when I am not from western world. This is such a well produced video essay and I've learnt a lot.

[@soulcapitalist6204]

@@whensonzhou4174 This video omits the long national socialist tradition in Germany as if it was a movement of the 1930s as well. This is required to pretend that national socialism was not socialism and did not install socialist political economy in Germany. The real history is that all other German socialism came from bigoted national socialism dating back to the middle ages - incidents like the Strasbourg Pogrom of German workers on jewish communities.

[@whensonzhou4174]

​If you really watch the video, the uploader argued that the economy policy is what make national socialism distinct from socialism, not the tradition. The OP was showing evidence that the NZ adopt the socialist rhetoric while implementing none of them. Instead, it implemented extreme level of privatization, which socialist/communist opposed. Both German nationalism and European socialism are 19th century phenomenon, European Pogrom on Jews, as you said, date way back than both concept, so please go back to read western history book and stop messing up concepts. Even the textbook in my western history course is not mixing up these concepts. Ah, here we go again, national socialism is socialism argument. Let me remind you, North Korea has democratic in their name, China had democracy in their constitution, Russia have a fair election, U.S. have a rigged election in 2020 according to many. Tradition and names are really surface level, please look deeper. Culture and tradition affect political trends and aesthetic, but economy is where the true color of political system shows.

[@soulcapitalist6204]

@@whensonzhou4174 The video doesn't address the policies which economic historians point to when they have made the claim of socialist political economy in 3rd Reich. It's some strawman piece with Bel's non sequiturs about selling debt being privatization. There's a huge gaping hole in the history presented here which excludes national socialist revolution and die gleichschaltung, 1933-1936. The claim that national socialism is something other than socialism is a failure to recognize the tradition of bigoted socialist philosophy in Germany which advocated for the exact policies of 3rd Reich. You can't have your beliefs and accurate history at the same time.

[@soulcapitalist6204]

@@whensonzhou4174 You people are hypocrites for presenting the democracy in DPRK as some proof of anything. 1) DPRK is socialist democracy "People's Democratic" like the name says. 2) DPRK's naming clearly indicated that we should expect a marxist politburo - what capitalists consider dictatorship and what Marx did too. 3) National socialism and socialism in NSDAP's name is also accurate. We are able to tie policy of 3rd Reich to national socialist values written 70 years before 3rd Reich was in power and we are able to see the legal affectation of command economics in Germany by no later than July 15, 1933 in the real accountancy of German economic history.

[@whensonzhou4174]

@@soulcapitalist6204 my friend, you miss the economy policy part, maybe you can address it? My point is names and cultures are more subjective and using these to categorize a political system is not very helpful. Now would you please apply your method on other fascist power in EU in 1930s. Every culture has their own version of hatred and metaphysics that can accomodate these unholy idea, but most culture don't act on it, it's always the economy policy that drive these into actions. btw, I am using DPRK as a counter example to show that names alone are not helpful determine a political system, use the economy policy please, watch the video b4 you argue, pls

[@Phantom_Boi]

new fredda upload, we love proving information factually

[@silent_spartan2881]

Fredda is the GOAT

[@snbeast9545]

This is the top-tier education content we need

[@ZephanyZephZeph]

The terrifying amount of times I thought "Hey that sounds familiar to America!" to "OH FUCK."

[@noyes-ek7xw]

in what form little one

[@zapermunz]

DING DING

[@intensiveintensives4887]

Weebs be weebs

[@A-A_P]

The main difference is that the american system is strong and well-entrenched enough that it has to be (and has been) infiltrated rather than simply overlooked, ignored that basically happened in Germany. Oh, and the US is falling into the abyss more slowly.

[@Derkiboi]

the American model

[@4marra]

just finished the video, amazingly put together as usual, i forget how the saying goes but it’s something like “it takes 10 minutes of correct information to disprove 1 minute of disinformation.”

[@barsukascool]

Which means, to disprove this video, you would have to talk for 400 minutes

[@4marra]

@@barsukascool coping?

[@barsukascool]

@@4marra great argument!

[@chrisangel6833]

​@@barsukascool bruh what argument are you even putting up lol your just saying the cc lied?

[@barsukascool]

@@chrisangel6833 yep

[@NoFuqinIdea]

What frustrates me most about us not learning about how our ancestors got radicalized is that we're now in what is essentially the same situation germany was in in the early 30s. Nobody can afford living as before while rent and food prices only ever seem to go up. You have entire generations of people who were born too late to profit from the boom of the early 90s and have been selling themselves short for about 20 years now despite having good qualifications. We swore "Never Again" but let a large part of the population fall into poverty and desperation. And for what? So a selected few could become unimaginable rich. Now a far right party is harvesting the frustration, blaming foreigners for the mess. ...and many people can't even see the similarities.

[@maskmarvin803]

Here we go again...

[@Hirohitorunguard]

It is nearly impossible to convince people of the very real situation that Europe is in, believe me I have tried. No matter how many similarities to the 1920-30s i bring up all i get is a shrug and a "thats ridiculous". Maybe it's the fact that the modern population has been so isolated from the severe disasters that are plaguing the world constantly, or that the bourgeois propaganda machine has become so all-encompassing that separating reality from propaganda is almost impossible?

[@Janoip]

Its not only the far right but both sides radicalize drive the split, discussion culture is dying hard, for both the other side is literally evil, some conspiracy stuff and not much cooperation, blocking what they can from the others and alot of emotional, ideological thinking. And what i thing funny and alarming is that stuff like Foundations of Geopolitics The Geopolitical Future of Russia, looks kind of like in part reality more and more The West[edit] In the Americas, United States, and Canada: Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instability and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists" to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements - extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics".[9] Iran is a key ally. The book uses the term "Moscow-Tehran axis this not so much, but we in Germany have alot of Russian Germans and the Far Right & Left are both Anti Nato/EU/Usa/Ukraine and pro Russian In Europe: Germany should be offered the de facto political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic states located within Central and Eastern Europe. The Kaliningrad Oblast could be given back to Germany. The book uses the term "Moscow-Berlin axis".[9] France should be encouraged to form a bloc with Germany, as they both have a "firm anti-Atlanticist tradition".[9] The United Kingdom, merely described as an "extraterritorial floating base of the U.S.", should be cut off from the European Union.[9]

[@in.der.welt.sein.]

Have you read any of Freerk Huisken's writings on fascism and democracy?

[@americancommunist1776]

Shit… maybe again

[@zubal6121]

Fredda do you follow the teachings of the honorable Elijah Muhammad or are you an Early Goebbels-Lysenko-Strasser thought synthesist with Lassallean characteristics?

[@Alan-Classified]

Ultraleft ramblings

[@zubal6121]

@@Alan-Classified No, I’m actually a marxist unlike bordigoids

[@Alte.Kameraden]

Honestly don't' see a name there that is a positive person to compare someone to. lol

[@Violetenist]

is this a disco elysium line ripped somewhere from the communist path?

[@deathgripskaraoke9351]

​@@Alte.KameradenLysenko if you're in the know

[@Miraihi]

A really good Russian socialist channel called "Держать курс" has made several videos on that matter a while ago ("Economy of Nazi Germany", these are even subtitled). This topic is incredibly underrepresented, I'm glad to see at least one such video in English.

[@mottom2657]

@@pequenoperezoso3743 Hitler was a lot responsible for the genesis of today's Israel.

[@WM-gf8zm]

​@@pequenoperezoso3743no

[@BlueTyphoon2017]

Can you translate the name into English so I can find it? How can I find this channal? Maybe fredda can ask for permission to upload those videos in English so more people in the USA can find those videos?

[@Miraihi]

@@BlueTyphoon2017 the channel is @keepkurs.

[@commandercorl1544]

Once had an argument with a fellow American (from Florida, which makes this all much better as you can guess...) who argued against my point of the Nazis never seizing any means of production, by saying that "the government seized factories". This point, of course impossible to counter, made by argument crumble and I have since become an anarcho-capitalist-Reaganomics-believer.

[@night6724]

@@commandercorl1544 Yes the government did seize control of the factories.

[@dickkickem4238]

I mean, nationalization of only certain industries vs. the whole economy is the mark key think that makes traditional socialism different from communism so.....

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

_You:_ *Well cited argument* _Florida man:_ "No."

[@ravanpee1325]

The same happend in Britain and the US so what..

[@crtune]

Is any of this NOT Adam Tooze? So far the vast majority of the sources seem to say "Tooze". What about Rainer Zitelmann? What about Gunter Reimann? What about Gotz Aly? Tooze is not the only person to write about the economics of Third Reich Germany.

[@boonekeller5275]

0/10 no potato peeling

[@HeydenHarvey]

I used a cheese grater on my fingers and now they are bleed extreme badly god hlep me

[@armando5362]

FINALLY, I WAS YEARNING FOR THIS VIDEO!

[@genbab6989]

What an amazingly well-researched video! My favourite part was 1000000% the chapter on settler colonialism and its economic incentives, especially the point about a lack of land for German farmers and peasants. I personally would have added another potential economic argument to this however by drawing upon what happened when America preformed settler colonialism on the native population of North America. This led to a massive abundance of land which enabled much of the (of course white) population to be landlords. For instance, in south Carolina in 1775, (a figure quoted by J. sakai in settlers, yes I know the funny book. But hear me out >_>) 42% of the white population owned between at most 500 acres, while a further 15% owned between 500-999, and 3% owned >1,000 acres. The source sakai cites here is "The Social Structure of Revolutionary America by Jackson Turner, pg.66-67" This is significant as the abundance of land ownership led to sky-high wages for the (white) population. A fact that was reported on by various different sources ranging from modern historians like Philip Foner (who in "Labour and the American Revolution" quotes Thomas Paine, one of the founding fathers, who said that "in America a "common laborer" made as much money as an English shopkeeper!") to people like Karl Mar who talked of how high wages "Now, all of you know that the average wages of the American agricultural laborer amount to more than double that of the English agricultural laborer, although the prices of agricultural produce are lower in the United States than in the United Kingdom.. . " Finally, sakai also quotes historian Richard B. Moriss who stated that "In general, American workers earned at least twice what their British kinfolk made-some reports say the earnings gap was five or six times what Swedish or Danish workers earned." All this is to say that, given the parallels between Manifest Destiny and Lebensraum, there is a point to be made that many within Germany would have sought out landownership from the recently ethnically cleansed territory and in doing so may have benefitted through rising wages. By looking at what happened in America we may perhaps be able to find another potential economic incentive behind Lebensraum.

[@approximated_nerd]

settlers is definitely an important read, i agree

[@DB-ku7vu]

You’re describing the economic benefits of conquest.

[@FreddaYT]

You will either hate or love my next video.

[@night6724]

@@FreddaYT Your videos are garbage and TIK has utterly destroyed your claims Also the NSDAP wasn’t enacting in colonialism that’s just conquest. Colonialism is when you conquer mostly inhabited or underdeveloped societies. By your logic Napoleon was a colonialist

[@night6724]

@@FreddaYT This video is trash and TIK owned you

[@zainmudassir2964]

Excellent analysis of nazi economy. Private industries in Germany and even occupied Europe like Czechoslovakia with profit seeking business actively took part in the war economy

[@GigglelandEmperor]

Source: I made it up Epitome of socialism

[@qymaen-jai-sheelal]

​@GigglelandEmperor did you even watch the video?

[@GigglelandEmperor]

@@qymaen-jai-sheelal no I didn’t, I just came here to troll

[@qymaen-jai-sheelal]

@@GigglelandEmperor ooooohhhh

[@tedarcher9120]

You could say exactly the same about Soviet factories. Only difference was that Soviet managers were installed by industry ministers are German by regional party officials

[@bloodgoa139]

I love the offhand comment about similar settler-colonialist projects happening today. If you know, you know.

[@Skasaha_]

Colonialism on our planet has been inseparable from genocide for 1000s of years.

[@kariminalo979]

The American mind cannot comprehend Corporatism

[@night6724]

@@5driedgramsno it isn’t

[@retrogamer207]

Why is it so hard for people to understand that fascism rejects both communism and capitalism?

[@mountainjews]

@@night6724 cope harder tik alt account you made 400 comments

[@CarlMarxPunk]

Been waiting for this video since you talked about it and it dropped in my birthday! Getting around to watch it, awesome stuff.

[@MrReco12]

Seriously though, don't you think the economy of the Third Reich had much in common with the state directed models of capitalism as seen in South Korea(under Park Chun Hee), Taiwan and Japan?

[@parlyramyar]

no it was much more similar to USSR which was an actual state directed economy

[@MrReco12]

@@parlyramyar Nazi Germany was more than 80% private, and had a powerful capitalist class. Very different to the USSR.

[@tedarcher9120]

​@@MrReco12what does a capitalist class even mean if a capitalist can't manage his capital or even buy anything he wants without the approval of the party? South Korean system was definitely very similar although it was much less ambitious as nazis tried to control every single institution instead of just some large corporations

[@parlyramyar]

@@MrReco12 80% private? Lol Evey faucet of the economy was directly or indirectly controlled by the state so no it wasn't private at all.

[@ltmund]

​@@MrReco12National Socialist Germany was the same to the USSR in many ways. One of which is that to achieve the end goal was a process (Marx would agree). So all we can really go by is their stated goal: a classless society based on race.

[@minecraftdoctorwhoadventur3024]

This is a very excellent video but i can definitely hear the members of the far right screeching in the comments!

[@parlyramyar]

lol commies calling others far right will never not be funny

[@Skibidirizz1337]

>Capitalism >Albert speer in thumbnail baited nobody award

[@FreddaYT]

There's actually separate thumbnails, you're being showed certain thumbnails based on the algorithm and the most clicked one is going to be the one showed to the general audience.

[@Skibidirizz1337]

@@FreddaYT oh now I see ma fault

[@yijhebsldiv3gyxi88]

​@@FreddaYT so its the mrbeast strat of multiple thumbnails but automatic?

[@pauldickinson772]

@@yijhebsldiv3gyxi88 Yeah, it's now a feature built into youtube.

[@BlisaBLisa]

@@FreddaYT wait what

[@morriskaller3549]

Tack för ännu en bra video, hälsningar från Finland!

[@FreddaYT]

Tusen takk! Hils Finnan du kjenn!

[@EnverHalilHoxha1917]

The youtuber badempanada actually pins and responds to comments like the one lonewolf commented to embarrass them in front of everyone. Sometimes deletes comments who troll and harrass people in his comment section. Maybe you should do that too.

[@kerycktotebag8164]

badempanada called me a liberal-even while I was agreeing with him that it's unfeasible to expect a country rid itself of all queerphobia before someone as, living in the imperial core, would critically support their peoples struggles- All bc i said "I'd still feel uncomfortable being around the queerphobia". He gets into egotistical rages from audience exposure effects, so i wouldn't emulate his trigger happy name & shame stuff bc he gets off on it enough to, even while keeping trolls & reactionaries at bay, slip into friendly fire bc he wants too much control over the framing of the entire experience (of him being Less Liberal Than Thou) Your suggestion is good, but only if not approached like BE has a habit of doing things

[@EnverHalilHoxha1917]

@@kerycktotebag8164 I dont get it, why would he call you a liberal for saying that? And also I didnt understand the top paragraph at all could you rephrase it please?

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

It also takes away from the stupidity of 90% of comments on every leftist youtube video being leftists who took the bait

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

@@EnverHalilHoxha1917 Because he's a real actual tankie

[@2Links]

BE is strange to me because I don't really get into that online left sphere and don't know much about him, so all I know is that I watched some video by him on argentine economic history or whatever and thought it was fine, and then everything else I see is him raging on twitter and shit for some reason

[@generalgrievous2580]

The song you use is an IFA Wartburg song now that’s a deep cut

[@AshleyBreads]

A good song but a deep cut

[@obi-wankenobi7415]

I fucking love IFA Wartburg and I was very surprised to see a random history/politics channel to have one of their songs in the video lol

[@Mrax_Taylor]

@@obi-wankenobi7415 why dues IFA Wartburg do so many germane songs.

[@ArchLars]

I wonder who this is a response to. Great video btw.

[@Lonewolfdebnf]

@@ArchLars Tik history And you can see that Hitler wasn't put on power bu the capitalists

[@pufffincrazy5275]

*stares at TIK*

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

*how much money did Elon Musk donate to Trumps super PAC?*

[@night6724]

@@pufffincrazy5275 Yeah and TIK has already addressed everything. FREDDA LITERALLY USES THE SAME SOURCES AS TIK

[@pufffincrazy5275]

@@night6724 yes but Freda can actually read and not completely misunderstand everything to make the round peg fit in a very square hole.

[@kyllerbuzcut]

TIK is definitely one of the crankiest cranks that ever cranked.

[@colebehnke7767]

How so?

[@inovakovsky]

@@colebehnke7767 He is Ayn Randian libertarian who thinks corporations are not private property.

[@colebehnke7767]

@@inovakovskyI mean, they are collective property, just like coops. Unless your definition of collective property needs to be controlled by the state.

[@DjDeadpig]

Coming from a presumed communist who lives in delusion that the social democrats will help aid them during the revolution.

[@inovakovsky]

@@colebehnke7767 Not quite. Corperations are still owned by provate individual capitalists. Co-ops are more a petitie bourgeois thing but are not exactly private individuals either. TIK a petitie bourgeois, hyper-indvividualistic take on things that disregards class. There is such thing as state capitalism, in whch stste property allows investors, profit motive, etc., and thus to serve the capitalist class. The 1930s-1970s USSR had no capitalists, thus it is not state capitalism.

[@asgertonsberg2457]

One of the best videos on the theme. Amazing work!

[@DmitriPolkovnik]

Great video Fredda. I especially liked the perspective of German policy in Eastern Europe being basically the last great attempt at a land grab campaign by a European coloniser. I do take some issue with your characterisation of the KPD as "never wavering" in resistance to the regime. This is certainly true throughout the 1930s. But the 1939 German-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact was very controversial in Leninist circles, even those very closely aligned with Moscow and famously caused a split between MLs who took a passive or even pro-German position on the War prior to Barbarossa and those who wanted to continue resistance or just not make any kind of deal or truce with fascists. Just in the KPD you had many leaders like Thälmann still in prison in this period but also leaders like Walter Ulbricht who actively supported the Pact and described British imperialism as "far more reactionary" than the imperialism of NG. It's definitely really difficult to quantify which factions were more ascendant on this question, but it is worth noting the USSR purged dissident KPD members, including those critical of the Pact in the USSR. I feel like you brushed this over and painted the KPD in a more positive and less naunced light than they actually were.

[@icysaracen3054]

Corporations have no loyalty but will side with anything that will prevent them from losing profits.

[@ReallyGoodName3000]

good thing you don't have evidence to back that up, otherwise people might accuse you of scewing the facts to fit your narrative.

[@caramelldansen2204]

Great video! You and Bes D Marx seem to have a lot in common in terms of video making, which is a very good thing!

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

Bes D is a fave of mine too. Low production quality so it's not like you can send it to your family, but he keeps good receipts.

[@caramelldansen2204]

@@monsieurdorgat6864 Production quality is for cowards!!! 😤 Real heads support true comrades with proletarian, potato ahh mics!

[@e-man8643]

You're one of the best channels on KZbin right now

[@wakkaseta8351]

"Private" ownership, just as long as you had the right politics, and it could still be taken from you at any time. Real capitalistic.

[@TheHorseOutside]

Capitalism for those they deemed worthy of existing.

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

@@TheHorseOutside : So not Capitalism then, which is just the result of free humans making voluntary exchanges with one another in the absence of outside coercion.

[@UnfollowYourDreams]

That a state can seize private property is not a symptom of the economic system, it's a consequence of the states existence. Every state can do this, in order to build critical infrastructure, for defense purposes or as a punishment for lawless behaviour. A state being able to take stuff from citizens is a defining factor of states and does not influence the definition of a nations economic system.

[@colebehnke7767]

@@UnfollowYourDreamsyeah, but for a state to be capitalist they must have limits on how they can take property. The Nazis removed those limits.

[@TheHorseOutside]

@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. "capitalism for those deemed worthy of existing" is just regular capitalism if you deem everyone worthy of existing.

[@bsnow304]

I don't have anything profound to say, but your videos are always so clear. I hope someday I'm half the video essayist you are!

[@Argacyan]

Random niche anecdote about the settlement program, but as part of it the German government considered investment into Schleswig-Holstein and poldering of the area between the mainland and the Frisian islands. An area which had in the past been known as the Uthlands before being submerged by the sea, creating the islands as we see them today. The program would have attempted to regain that submerged land and was abandoned with the loss of the war.

[@BlueTyphoon2017]

If I may ask but do you have a source for this? Maybe even something basic like at least a Wikipedia article maybe?

[@ValentineC137]

I got a pepsi max AD after the "there's more of that in my coca cola collaborators video" part lol

[@nachoolo]

On 21:28 I tried to look for the quote on R. Stackelberg “Hitler’s Germany: Origins, Interpretations, Legacies” and I wasn't able to find the quote neither on the page cited nor in the book as a whole. The info given in 21:33 is also not found on the page given. On page 103 the book does speak about the Communist Party's call for a general strike was left unheard, but the book blames the division on the left as a whole instead of the SPD, which is left unmentioned in this segment. That said I own the English version of the book and it has been a while since I've read it. But quickly going through the pdf I wasn't able to find a quote that could directly support the statement. Did you confuse R. Stackelberg's book for another source?

[@Azazin187]

The quote: "but it came almost exclusively from Communists, Social Democrats, and left liberals, the particular targets of brutal repression in 1933 and 1934." is from Stackelberg (2007): The Routledge Companion to Naz1 Germany, page 164.

[@AlbanianDogma]

GOATED FREDDA GREAT VIDEO LIKE ALWAYS !!!

[@crime-santa]

this video rocks, thank you fredda

[@oskki-ew3in]

Well done! Great crafted stuff. Thanks for your work

[@davidparker527]

TIKhistory just had a heart attack LOL. Awesome video.

[@HER3411]

I’m reading wages of destruction rn, as soon as I saw this video I knew I’d be seeing Tooze,great video and great sources

[@FreddaYT]

Thank you!

[@deezboyeed6764]

Somewhat unrelated but if you get the chance read wages of guilt. Its a fantastic look at post war occupied territories and how axis powers dealt with coming to terms with their horrific actions

[@bnb6868]

Looking at the bibliography I'm a bit disappointed. I understand the lack of German language authors (Barkai, Eichholtz) but the lack of some massive English language authorities like Alan Milward, Harold James, Henry Turner, Richard Overy or Peter Hayes isn't as much. Especially Milward as the main authority of the war economy in occupied territory (even having an entire book dedicated to the war economy in occupied Norway). And considering how a big focus of the video is corporate relations with the nazis it makes the missing of Hayes and Turner even more striking. Or Martin horn and Talbot imlay and their analysis of Ford France.

[@FreddaYT]

I've read Turner and I mentioned him but cited two more recent authors who have analyzed his writings (Tooze and Landa) instead.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

You can't rely on English language sources to critique capitalism

[@bnb6868]

@@jeffersonclippership2588 Yes you can? Marcuse wrote primarily in English post exile including one dimensional man just to name one major author and work. The French don't hold the monopoly on the subject

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

@@bnb6868 Yeah he also wasn't British or American, that's the main things

[@bnb6868]

@@jeffersonclippership2588 there's plenty of British and American anticapitalist authors only differences is they're usually more insular not having a big reception in Europe or being more contemporary. Similar how many Asian authors (especially Japanese Marxists) have little reception in Europe or post colonial authors. (Continental) Europeans only care about authors who belong to the same European circles.

[@OdinAllfather123]

The third reich existed in a time of massive cultural and economic upheaval, to call it simply capitalist or socialist is disingenous. Just like the US under FDR, Fascist Italy, Imperial Japan, Nationalist China or even the Soviet Union, these states all massively increased the influence of the state apparatus on the economy and society. You cannot look at these developments in isolation, the super powers at the time just copied each other and tried out new things to see what works.

[@damienflinter4585]

"Fascism is not in itself a new order of society. It is the future refusing to be born." Aneurin Bevan

[@strumps9549]

Lame quote, Fascism is all about a 'national rebirth'

[@damienflinter4585]

@@strumps9549 Limp dismissal. "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the marriage of government and corporate power." Benito Mussolini...coiner of the term to suit his opportunist atavistic brutalisation of Italy and beyond. Try again.

[@colebehnke7767]

@@damienflinter4585dam, what did he mean by corporate power? Did he mean business power? But then why didn’t he say so? No to him corporate was the name for bottom up fun government ministries.

[@damienflinter4585]

@@colebehnke7767 Bit late to ask him about his semantic nuances. Business operates via corporate legal limited liability, a device for dodging the consequences of your parasitic actions. They seem like synonyms to me. Think it out for yourself.

[@colebehnke7767]

@@damienflinter4585did this idea of corporate exist then?

[@alexandergowriluk1687]

The Volkswagen add during this video was funny.

[@ilhamrahim9269]

The point about the lack of opposition from the bourgeoisie is a great point. Not only did German capitalists support materially the rise of the Nazis, after Nazi economic policies were implemented they clearly did not oppose them. Compare that to the Russian landlords and capitalists after the Bolshevik revolution who supported a civil war against the new government, not to mention all the major capitalist powers invading the USSR

[@uncomplicatedi]

This is an important video as there are generations who hardly read and get most info from YT and socials. By explaining real history with references this video can cut through the noise and inform.

[@michaelmcnally9737]

I think my comment calling the German political party that was prominent during the 1930s and 40s lame was censored by youtube because I used said party's name in the comment

[@panzerschliffehohenzollern4863]

Erasing history like we can't look for it in Primary school history book. KZbin censorship really is something else.

[@MaxTheLegend_YT]

Hejsan från Sverige

[@prichardgs]

Your resources and analysis is spot on. I really enjoy your channel and you have given me new avenues of investigation. You should look at drug use in the Third Reich-this also seems to be a neglected subject when examining the Nazis-But drug use was an important aspect of Nazi strategy, though highly hidden because of their conservative leanings..

[@endodouble6691]

If studying history at a German university has taught me one thing, it's that denazification was unsuccessful. In every class room there is at least one guy in full camo with a Hitler-youth-cut who doesn't speak much, unless the topic is the second or third Reich. I've given up on having the discussion on if the Nazis were Socialists, because that thesis is NEVER made in good faith and only to further a violent political agenda.

[@night6724]

So because there is one person who likes Hitler that means it failed? Are you serious? Germany had 70 million people at the time. Is successful denazification nothing short of a literal genocide?

[@night6724]

How many countries have national socialist parties vs communist parties?

[@ijon-y4549]

In your video, you pointed out that there was little conservative resistance within the third reich. To this, I urge you to look into the resistance movement O5, catholic student associations like A.V. Austria and, in general, members of the Vaterländische Front like the later Austrian Chancellor Leopold Figl.

[@Wilhelm23985]

Fredda please make a video on Brazil

[@program4215]

30:57 It's my understanding that the same measure was applied in the Soviet Gulags, that food rations of the forced laborers was based on productivity, leading to a malnutrition death spiral for underperforming workers.

[@FreddaYT]

Do you have a relevant source for this? Although I am aware of the conditions in Soviet prisons I am not ware of its integration into the larger system of production.

[@Sytall]

Please, do not say your source is Varlam Shalamov's writings or, god forbid, Alexander Solzhenitsyn archipelago...

[@PC42190]

This is nonsense, the mortality rates in the gulags were almost equal to the average Soviet population. This shows how pervasive ideology is. Gulags were no more than prisons where people had to work, nothing different from the rest of the world

[@PC42190]

@@FreddaYT Arch Getty’s “Victims of the soviet penal system in the pre-war years” in the American Historical Review is pretty good. Most of what is talked about it is mixed with anti comm*nist propaganda. As always, reality is more nuanced

[@Pun291]

yeah

[@revolutionaryfoxinist2377]

Alberto Toscano in his recent book ‘Late Fascism’ writes an interesting chapter about this topic, specifically about the idea of ‘fascist freedom’ and the various ideological and economic commitments Italian fascists and nazis made toward what we normally think of as liberal individualism. One of the funniest parts of that chapter is when we learn that ludwig von mises praised Mussolini and his program for safeguarding capitalism. It’s also interesting that much of the liberal intellectuals in Italy provided varying levels of support to the fascists. The book emphasises how fascists can talk out of both sides of their mouth very effectively

[@TheContxt]

Fascism & Social Revolution (1935) by RP Dutt does a very good job at covering this, and I would highly recommend.

[@speaklowww5747]

Great summary. Really want to read that book now! Thank you.

[@gabrielribas7825]

Another Fredda W

[@JaefisonSanchez]

At 27:47 minutes, I wonder, why is the Soviet colonization and deportations of Germans and Poles into more eastern territories just blatantly ignored? Yes, this was a response to the German people in order for them to never make excuses to attempt Eastern expansion ever again, though I think it is pretty interesting on how this was ignored given the context of European colonialist expansion finally ending with the Nazi invasion of the C.C.C.P.. Nazi Germany's colonial policy in Eastern Europe with the Slavs and the various other minorities of non Western European and Germanic origin in Eastern Europe and Soviet Asia seemed pretty similar to those of the Americans against the indigenous peoples of North America with the belief Manifest Destiny and the Great Trek by the European peoples of Cape colony. Both groups pretty much didn't indulge into activities of racial - cultural mixing as much as most of the European colonist did in "Latin America" and Asia, while also spreading European owned slavery around the regions. Generalplan Ost pretty much was going to make the peoples of Eastern Europe into slaves in a matter similar though worst to how the French horribly treated their slaves in the Colony of Saint-Domingue(Haiti), while also bringing several ethnic and more productive German families into the regions for total territorial expansion of the German nation into the regions. To be fair, the closest thing to the German labor and extermination camps at the time were the labor camps of the Soviets, the Italian camps in Libya, and the Japanese camps all throughout the Pacific region. The causes for the radical ideologies which rose in Japan, China(China already went through national humiliation far earlier than the other 4 powers and had the Taiping and Boxer Rebellions), Germany, Italy, and Russia during the end of ww1 and interwar period was in my opinion from a combined national inferiority complex which arose from being pretty powerful yet controlled under the power and mercy of the Anglo & Anglophile countries of the British Empire, U.S.A., and France. To be fair, France was pretty much declining at this point as a world power, technologically and militarily.

[@JaefisonSanchez]

B.T.W., Germany, Russia, Japan, and China's relationship with each other was pretty complicated, with China and Russia of course being the greatest victims of the Germans and Japanese, as the 2 more advanced powers saw the more agrarian countries of the C.C.C.P./U.S.S.R. as a promise land for colonization. The national humiliation of Russia at the end of the first world war was primarily caused by the Germans in WW1, with the Chinese being humbled by the Japanese in the 1st and 2nd Sino Japanese wars. It doesn't help that both the Chinese and Russians were viewed with fatal distrust from the western powers, which allowed them to get caught up in their own resentment. Italy on the other hand was just treated liked a secondary power by the Anglo - Francophile countries after the end of the first world war, which of course lead to the people of Italy vulnerable to any radical ideology which promised to heal the people's wound. I honestly have nothing more interesting to say, besides the fact of the 5 nations I mentioned having more economic inequality or/and industrialization which would have caused a identity and social crisis for many of the nations.

[@crackedrepair]

yet another Fredda banger

[@ZeMalta]

Great video! I just missed Ludo Martens and Umberto Eco, who had also much to say in the matter. And lets not forget how Lenin classified Imperialism, and how right he was about it, and how it still applies to many states today. Hope for more content! If I had dollars, I would support the channel.

[@Ostvalt]

Honestly they are pretty over rated people. There are hundreds of good people to listen to. It is refreshing to hear other opinions.

[@americancommunist1776]

@@OstvaltLenin was uniquely based. Stated facts of the world that still apply today

[@Haranchuk]

goated as always very good video thank you fredda i love you

[@A-A_P]

As the names are being brought up yet and again, I'd LOVE watching a real life debate between TIK and Fredda. Both have shown the willingness and capability of deep, albeit in ways ideologically biased historical research. And also, please don't dismiss someone simply because their take disagrees with your personal understanding or views of something. Something isn't automatically wrong because what you know or think, equally, something isn't automatically right because you like it. This kills any debate or possibility of an impartial, unbiased understanding.

[@erikxvi8236]

What I don’t understand is why you-and TIK as well-are so eager to argue that National Socialism is either socialism or capitalism. National Socialism is National Socialism. Terms like capitalism and socialism seem like empty buzzwords.

[@pm.meowth4850]

pretty much - its more that we all know its a right wing ideology but certain groups want to pin it on the left - just another section of the culture war

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

*By definition, National Soci alism was a totalitarian Far-Left, socialist 3rd position ideology based on ethnonationalism trying to supersede Marxism as the most common socialist ideology. You cannot be an advocate for centralized planning and strong government controls without being a socialist. That's what made Hitler a socia list. He may have been to the right from the Bolsheviks, but he was still a socialist leftist as he believed in strong central government control. Hitler outright declared himself a socialist in Mein Kampf, just not the Ma rxist international or full Soviet type. He struggled with HOW to distinguish his socialism from the rest of the Marxist crowd.*

[@ssj4punkrocker]

How does one have a capitalist economy when private property is banned?

[@kermit6237]

because private propetry not banned?

[@ssj4punkrocker]

​@@kermit6237 They suspended all protections regarding private property and personal freedoms, from the previous constitution. How do you think they were able to displace and dispossess, jews/catholics/protestant clergy, anti-nazi germans within Germany? You have to play insane mental gymnastics to conclude that Nazi Germany, where the stated owned all the property and took direct command of it's economy, is actually an example of capitalism/private ownership.

[@Guilherme.Arj.28]

​@@ssj4punkrockerState and capitalism are not contradictions, they complement eachother

[@ssj4punkrocker]

@@Guilherme.Arj.28 That is an argument I never made. It is a strawman you created to knock down.

[@Guilherme.Arj.28]

@@ssj4punkrocker you kinda did when you said that private property was banned. If somehow private property was banned (and it didn't), then you must be assuming that th e nazi economy was State based. Therefore, this was my response. Or are you saying that the nazis were not State based but somehow banned private property? If so, then what was the production model? An anarchist one?

[@thesensiblesocialist]

"We want national socialism!" *SPD does it* "No! Not like that!"

[@Aguy-u3n]

I do not want to wait to watch this shit looks very interesting

[@seblubla1685]

Somewhat ironic that Hitler understood communism better than every conservative grandparent ever

[@stephendaley266]

True, but learning or even talking about actual communism in America has been a thought-crime since the 1950s. Boomers never had a chance...

[@matthewmcneany]

Max Planck is an interesting case study in a (high profile but not specifically a politician) conservative living under the Nazi regime. He was a member of the Deutsche Volks-Partei (so centre-right-ish in a modern parlance) although by the time of the Nazi rise to power he was in his 70s. He spoke out against the regime in a few instances, usually because the issue mattered to him personally. Despite his incredibly limited opposition, he opposed early efforts denouncing the Nazi ostensibly on the basis that they would be ineffectual and even had a meeting with Hitler where Hitler assured him that Jews were not his target unless they were communists. He carried out a few more muted criticisms of the Nazi party, and ultimately resigned the presidency of the German Physical Society when it was brought under state control. I'm not sure what lessons there are to take from his biography, but I do find his latter life fascinating.

[@truthhertz10]

Great video! Subscribed.

[@user-lz2oh9zz4y]

Fredda is talking about politics. He must hate being monetized

[@haydenparsons5783]

It amazes me that people need to be told history is written with a spin from the writers time. Of course even with the utmost respect for accuracy and the hardest attempt to be accurate, what that accurate means and the interpretation is very different. A US and a German historian are going to come to different conclusion to what is correct, but that doesn't necessarily mean either are wrong. I can write for alot more but I'll leave it here

[@sunyavadin]

I decided when I was about 10 years old that Oetker pizzas shouldn't exist but that was just because they make me sick. I dunno, maybe young me could taste the nazism.

[@FreddaYT]

JDPON flowing through your veins before you knew it.

[@basedandredpille]

i had the same feeling about fanta

[@yuval5628]

@Fredda - Have you read "Nazi Economics: Ideology, Theory, and Policy" by Avraham Barkai?

[@soulcapitalist6204]

@@yuval5628 Clearly he has not. Not even close.

[@yuval5628]

@@soulcapitalist6204 why are you saying that? fredda's analysis is generally in-line with Barkai's.

[@soulcapitalist6204]

@@yuval5628 Completely bogus claim. Barkai recounts the conversion of 3rd Reich economic mode from capitalism to socialism between February 28, 1933 and July 15, 1933, offering the decrees entailed and their lodging in Deutsche Reichsgesetzblatt.

[@yuval5628]

@@soulcapitalist6204 you are either a bot, or you haven't read that book.

[@yuval5628]

@@soulcapitalist6204 from the conclusion of Barkai's book: "Nevertheless, in spite of all the talk about 'German socialism' and the fact that the term "capitalism" was a dirty word in party publications, there is no doubt that Germany's economy was capitalistic, though controlled and guided from above. The individual firm still operated according to the principle of maximum profit. The market still existed but was not a free market, and most decisions taken by the owners of enterprise were not "free" either. The term "organized capitalism" suits this economic method, subject only to the reservation that organization was imposed from above by extraeconomic, that is, political, factors; it was these factors that were responsible for directing the economy in accordance with basically noneonomic considerations. It was therefore a capitalist economy in which capitalists, like all other citizens, were not free even though they enjoyed a privileged status, had a limited measure of freedom in their activities, and were able to accumulate huge profits as long as they accepted the primacy of politics."

[@MrMkG2]

FREDDA TE AMO SALUDOS DESDE CHILE

[@ValentineC137]

Nothing quite shows the divide between America and Europe like reading American comments about the political leanings of 1940's germany

[@mauricioos2294]

I hate how isntreal is doing with the palestinians the same thing the nazis did with the jews, slavs and other peoples.

[@FreddaYT]

I didn't want to confuse the story too much by adding extra things I'd have to clarify, but like all settler-colonial projects, the Lebensraum project of the Nazis and the Zionist project have parallells.

[@PC42190]

@@FreddaYT having parallels is huge understatement to be honest

[@SpiritOfMontgomery]

Also, if you’re able to find the four volume documentary reader (literally a series of translated primary sources) on Nazism by Noakes and Pridham, I would highly recommend it.

[@johnn8795]

TIK History is probably having an aneurism over this video.

[@colebehnke7767]

Not really, it doesn’t actually address any of his points, just presents an alternative narrative using the same sources. I prefer TIKs because it points out how historians distort definitions to make an argument.

[@johnn8795]

@@colebehnke7767 ironic.

[@inovakovsky]

@@colebehnke7767 TIK is the one distorting definitions by defining modern corperations as not privately owned.

[@colebehnke7767]

@@inovakovskysure, but then never uses that definition in his arguments… He mainly points out that these so called private corporations in Nazi Germany were branches of the Nazi party, which was the government at the time.

[@slaterslater5944]

​@@colebehnke7767 That the private individuals who privately owned the means of production for private profit in NSDAP Germany is rather irrelevant.

[@jerem1264]

I am german student of history and have a few counter-Points to your video: 1. The resistance to nazi rule was laughable in general, calling out the industrialists for not resisting enough in particular is like saying the workers or the social democrats loved the new regime by virtue of not going on strike. 2. All young germans had to serve the government for 6 six months in the Reich Labor Force, where they had to work at government projects. 3. The abolishment of free unions is not indicative of antisocialism (the soviets also got rid of them). 4. The organization of companies was regulated by the "Work Order Act" of 1934. A government "Trustee of Labor" was given full powers to intervene in the business, if he saw fit. 5. In 1936, Price and Wage controls were implemented, severely intervening in the economy. 6. I think it can hardly be called privatization if government stocks are given to loyal nazi goons. It also has to be stated that Junkers and the Railways were (re-)nationalized. 7. The "Anleihestockgesetz" put a cap on how much dividends could be distributed (8% at max). 8. The social benefits that were implented could hardly be called insignificant, as child benefits were introduced as well as many other programms like the "Winter Relief for the German People". 9. The "Reichswerke-Hermann-Göring" was the largest company in Europe in 1941 and was fully state-owned. 10.The Nazis increased taxation on businesses, for example via the introduction of the Gewerbesteuer in 1937. I am not saying, that the nazi regime was stalinist (like some do), but I am saying that calling it capitalist is wrong too. It seems to me, that the german economy was largly owned by private actors, but was mostly controlled in the government's interest, either through bureaucrats, loyalty or fear of reprisal.

[@Slender_Man_186]

A few more things of note would be how the Not-sees considered capitalism to be “international J3wery” which was rhetoric taken from Marx’s “on the j3wish question,” how the Not-sees state run union that replaced the free unions is still to this day considered the largest worker’s union in history, and how the Not-sees framed the atrocities they committed against the J3ws, who they saw as hoarding wealth to the detriment of Germany, as a “fair and equal redistribution” typical of socialism.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

1. Hitler and Goering explicitly told the industrialists at that 1933 meeting that they were going to overthrow democracy and install a single-party system _and the industrialists wrote them checks to make the dictatorship happen._

[@pufffincrazy5275]

Oh ok, it was some nebulous “third way” despite having obvious trappings of a capitalist system (like private businesses and corporations to regulate in the first place). By your logic that state owned companies, increased taxes, expanded welfare, direct state intervention in the economy, and price & wage controls = not capitalism than the USA under Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s new deal was also whatever “corporatist” ideology the Germans were. The point is Germany was capitalist, and if any level of state control equals not capitalism than you fundamentally misunderstood the term.

[@thetaomegatheta]

1. Capitalists have a whole lot more agency than workers, so it's silly to equate the supposed lack of action from the latter (when they literally did violently resist nazis) with the willing cooperation of the former. 2. And? 4. And? 5. And? 6. Yes, it can. The Junker stuff is also covered in the video. 7. And? This is actually a point in favour of the video, considering the fact that dividends were a thing in the first place. 9. And? Are you going to argue that with the nationalisation of the British East India Company, capitalism stopped being a thing in the British Empire? 10. And? If anything, this is an argument in favour of the point in the video, as taxing companies makes no sense under planned economies, meaning that the German economy was either capitalist or some sort of pre-capitalist. 'I am not saying, that the nazi regime was stalinist (like some do), but I am saying that calling it capitalist is wrong too' Why is it wrong? You are yet to present a reason to believe that there was no dominant class of people who owned the means of production as their private property and who used other people's labour to extract profit from those. 'It seems to me, that the german economy was largly owned by private actors' Meaning that German economy was capitalist, unless you want to argue that the economy was dominated by feudal relations or something like that. 'but was mostly controlled in the government's interest, either through bureaucrats, loyalty or fear of reprisal' Right, the relevant capitalists' interests were never important, apparently, and they never made any sort of profit on their operations, and were just prevented by the government from liquidating their businesses. /s What seems to be happening is that you can't understand that capitalists and states can have aligned interests. This is especially silly, considering that some of the primary elements of fascism are class cooperation and corporatism, i.e. fascist ideologies are literally centered on capitalists and the state cooperating.

[@lukasbusch2135]

@@williamchamberlain2263 Not correct. Industrialists largely supported Center-Right Parties. Some of them backed Hitler in the end because they saw him as the lesser evil to a communist takeover. The funds which the NSDAP received from industrialists were insignificant in comparison to the huge sums they mustered via their membership fees and middle class donations.

[@ADM.II.]

@Fredda• Are you going to make another whatitalthist vid?

[@0DD0SCAR]

KNEW FREDDA CONTENT RAAAHHH!

[@0DD0SCAR]

Read BlackShirts & Reds!

[@HalfSoberPod]

A vid on ww2 with nuance. Crazy.

[@saltytriscuit896]

Question: could The Soviet Economy (specifically Stalin’s Five-Year Plan) also be considered to be a form of Privatization? Seeing as they handed over control of various industries from the state to private “Enterprise Managers.”

[@hengedraws]

Yay more fredda videos!