CAR HACKS: Cheap, practical accessories for any car!

[@Kylefassbinderful]

"well I am gay, but not gay enough to pull off carry a purse" 6:22 LMAO well said, well said. You have such a great sense of dry humor.

[@nick_nt7574]

his car even has a manual transmission I see he's a man of culture!

[@AstonGryffynn]

That alone makes him manlier than most of us straight dudes...

[@nick_nt7574]

@@AstonGryffynn I do own a 1984 Pontiac Fiero with a 4 speed manual, I haven't driven it yet because it's been on stands for over 5 months. However I do have a 2004 Pontiac Grand Prix GT as a daily driver, well and yeah every one of them has a 4 speed automatic transmission, but it gets going! I believe everyone should learn how to drive a manual, it should be a mandatory thing for life!

[@AstonGryffynn]

@@nick_nt7574 I can drive manual, but not as well as I'd like to.

[@cnmathias5187]

The clutch pedal probably does more to make your car harder to steal than the keyfob would lol.

[@vdochev]

True, but that's if you live in the USA...

[@mercuryoak2]

Im glad i dont have that push to start feature. In my 2014 vw Jsw( Jetta sportwagon) tdi 6 speed manual. Absolutely love mine.

[@bbishoppcm]

I just may have to steal your command hook idea... that’s genius!

[@pupslace]

6:21 maybe not gay enough for a purse, but what about a man bag lol.

[@tombarber8929]

it's a European Carry-all!

[@TheAllMightyGodofCod]

@@tombarber8929 European?

[@pupslace]

@retro. Yep, I fall in the same category but I don't have keyless start so it's not an issue hahah.

[@vwestlife]

It would be fun, but a lot of purses are way too big and way too expensive: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4jbpqifeN2Debs

[@KS1776]

@@vwestlife I don't know your line of work but I do like my maxpedition phone pouch I carry my phone and EDC in it.

[@douglasallen9428]

When I saw the thumbnail for this video, I almost thought it was just another one of those "click-baity" videos from Scotty Kilmer - until I saw this this one was actually from one of my all-time favorite KZbin users... VWestlife!!! Excellent job, keep it up!!!!!

[@fordfalcon85]

Same here!

[@uxwbill]

That hook for the fob is a clever idea. I wish cars still came with regular keys, as old habits die hard. The Keykeeper has that same compass. Was the wiring for the second horn already present?

[@vwestlife]

No, I added a splitter, with a socket for the original horn connector so I didn't need to cut the factory wiring.

[@vdochev]

I think some cars have a dedicated place to put the key fob when you're driving. But not all apparently.

[@xenophiliusrex2501]

Makes me wonder why they even have cars with keyless start but no keyless entry. You have to take out the key to unlock it, but then you sit down in the car and put the key... Where? Shove it back in your pocket without being able to stand? Leave it in a cupholder and forget it when you get out?

[@Ramdileo_sys]

@@vwestlife At 6:50.. hey look at that!! 😃 .-. I put a desktop hard drive neodimio magnet there with double sided tape for "stick" the key ring to the magnet 😊(I use to have a hook like you)🤓 but the magnet is a lot easier and fast to attach /detach... try it you'll see 😉 .-.

[@sprintertrueno1985]

@@vwestlife You did add two horns? Like you can switch between the stock horn and the secondary horn and still use the button on the steering wheel? I've wanted to do that for YEARS, how did you have done that??

[@runrin_]

need that pad on the accelerator for those heel-toe downshifts. 😎

[@HPad2]

About XM radio, I've been doing this for over 6 years. Its annoying though when you have several radios, but still better than overpaying

[@elijahwatson8119]

"Well I am gay, but I'm not gay enough to pull off carrying around a purse" Bravo sir, great sense of humor.

[@KittyFae-]

Thanks for all the tips! I think the accessories that I've used most with my GolfR is those CarGo Blocks, the velcro on them tends to hold things in place really well. Saves your eggs and sturdy enough to corral 5gal water containers. The other accessory is changing the rear view mirror over to one that has homelink (an optionally an in-glass compass). Wiring it up is pretty easy to do and there are adapters so you don't have to worry about accidentally cracking your windshield taking off the stock mount, and to top it off its all easily reverted back.

[@reese76man]

Pfft! What's with the "artsy" opening scene? Letting 100K subs go to his head, I tell ya! :-)

[@vwestlife]

Driving over a camera is the cheapest trick in the book. People have been doing it ever since video cameras became small enough to drive over (or have a train go over, etc.).

[@Dr_McKay]

Obviously it’s too late for you now, but I have the Skoda Octavia and they have those rear bumper rubber protectors you can buy for them, they even have OEM versions of you want to get ripped off. Given they’re the exact same car it would probably fit. Might be an option to consider in future if you need something Jetta specific

[@fedsinnorth-dakota9810]

I always watch your videos straight away even at work. Can't wait for the next video. God bless

[@pileggitech]

The command hook idea on the steering column... genius!

[@DONK8008]

That key hook idea is great, I don't have a keyless ignition it just doesn't retain the key anymore.

[@RedBearAK]

00:00 "REV UP YOUR ENGINES!!!" ... Wait, wrong channel...

[@TwoToneRob]

It's Rev up your engines I think lol but good point anyway xD

[@RedBearAK]

@@TwoToneRob - OMG, you're right. I had a brain fart. Well that's super embarrassing. Good thing YT comments can be edited, eh? Thanks! LOL.

[@vdochev]

I think this video is more informative about cars than Scotties'

[@TwoToneRob]

Such a great video, I'll surely steal some of your ideas to use in my good 'ol 2012 sedan

[@rarbiart]

a streetcar bell ("bing!" type) i had on my last car. very useful to signal to pedestrians in a more friendly way. On the VW now i just didn't find the motivation to wire up a free button placement, since all those empty ones around the shifter are a bit inconvinient during drive.

[@SebisRandomTech]

I’d love to add a streetcar bell to my car...

[@AaronSmart.online]

Where did you get it from? Could be useful for my plug-in hybrid when driving in EV mode...

[@AdamChristensen]

I love my 2019 VW SportWagen. I might add that bumper protector!

[@JonGallon]

8:20 so, you are really a 'driver' : drives a manual, the car has a sport ish feeling ovetall, 'racing shaped' steering wheel and you make sure to be able to do Punta Taco by raising the gas pedal to the same level as the brake pedal. 😎😎

[@Emptiness_Machine_2001]

Dude, he drives a Diesel...

[@codykamminga9667]

Tim Weber don’t think so, the rev counter goes to 8000 rpm, diesel ones go to 5 or 6000

[@Emptiness_Machine_2001]

@@codykamminga9667 i read TDI on the back of his car. I think. Now i'm unsure and have to check again. (also i know that a diesel doesn't rev that high. I learned driving with a golf TDI like 95% of germans too^^)

[@TheDanno210]

Tim Weber it’s a 1.4L TSi gasoline turbo motor.

[@Emptiness_Machine_2001]

@@TheDanno210 okay, i misread TSI as TDI in the Video^^

[@VectraQS]

Hanging the fob on the column reminded me of something. My father is a longtime mechanic. His brother had a '98 Ranger for many years. The Ranger's immobilizer chip in the ignition key became an issue when the ignition lock cylinder needed to be replaced. I recall Dad saying something about keeping the old key or even gluing the old key under the dash because of how prohibitively expensive it was to get the Ford dealer to program a new key. I don't recall what the final outcome was, but my uncle drove it for many years after that.

[@LeoStaley]

Oh man, I love your content. A man who looks around and see the bad design around him, and fixes it. I will be employing many of these tricks.

[@Master_101]

Wow such a useful video. I recently got my first car. It’s nothing much only a little Nissan. Definitely will try those blind spot mirrors as my instructor had them when I was learning and they helped me to see the white bay lines when parking much better. Also that cup holder trick is very clever as I have a cold bottle of water in the car to keep alert and hydrated but the condensation causes staining when it dries in the hot sun. I’d love to make a few little mods (nothing much) just to make it more functional (especially for my second hand music shopping which is why I wanted a CD player. And I approve of the manual transmission, I’ve never driven an automatic so can’t say much but like the control that the manual offers, especially as you can drive in a sporty way or economical, whatever you want. Autos are kinda of a rare sight anyway in the UK, I don’t know many people who only drive autos. Anyway thank you for that video

[@LightTheUnicorn]

That hook idea is absolutely genius! My car has a classic key ignition but I can still see that being super useful, nice!

[@clydesight]

Great video as always, practical and informative and entertaining. Thanks!

[@skyler951]

love your dry humor, subbed.

[@dustinknuckles4090]

I have a 2017 se white with tan interior. Identical car. 150k miles and no issues. 34mpg and 3rd set of tires and 2nd set of brake pads. Nothing else replaced. Cheaper to operate than the civic I had. Still loving the car and aging well. 😍 I drive 120 miles a day and couldn't ask for more for the price I paid.

[@Torrious]

That bumper protector looks OEM!

[@thevacdude]

Thanks for the video, Kevin.

[@TheHobbsTV]

Dude I can listen to you talk about anything it seems! Thanks for the awesome content!!!

[@nintendoatarikiller]

I bought a pedal spacer for my golf. It's a metal plate that bolts behind the accelerator so you can heel toe downshift easier. I also added aluminum pedals.

[@davoid96]

Yes! Some VWestlife to brighten my day!

[@TheMrMarkW]

Nice to see an update, Kevin. The trunk hook is something VW lifted across from Skoda. So my 2016 Octavia is effectively built on the same MQB chassis as your Jetta, but it’s hatchback with a saloon profile. The exact same flip down bag carrier is standard on the right hand side of the trunk. However, I have little things like a pad in that space in front of the gear lever (where the USB interface and your torch is) that wirelessly charges a phone put in there, an ice scraper inside the petrol cap which is Skoda only, and even a parking pass / ticket holder clip on the windscreen like in a Volvo too. I actually rented an identical Jetta to yours in San Francisco last year and really liked it - and it is a little bit different to the Skoda, which is nice, but also felt very familiar. I also noticed the Skoda has borrowed the driving mode selector from the Audi, so I can choose how stiff or soft my steering is, and how economical my gearbox is (I went for 7-Speed DSG instead of manual).

[@paulmidders]

Another great video. Thank you. I have keyless start and I am always misplacing my keys. Your idea is so excellent and simple. I wish I had thought of it. Will implement immediately.

[@ScarletAmethyst]

I've noticed on 2:18 that the description on the Amazon listing featured lenticular brackets. I often come across Amazon listings with lenticular brackets in the description which is a indicator the seller/manufacturer they may be Chinese. I don't recall if any company in the United States, Canada, or Europe actually uses lenticular brackets. I know it's used in Japan and China but I don't believe they're ever used in the United States.

[@ryan8488]

It’s a manual, nice!

[@rarbiart]

for my passat i ordered the bumper protector before i even got the car keys... there is no "too early" to put them on.

[@dominicfong6341]

Thank you for sharing the useful advice VWestlife. Since you already have padding for your accelerator, might be also a good idea to put padding on your dead pedal.

[@doomedhuh]

you still have a cd player I hate that new cars don't have cd players you should make a video of the best cd player options for new cars without cd players

[@elevatoroperator2021]

I still have a cassette player in my car

[@44CT232]

@@elevatoroperator2021 I have a cassette player and a CD changer in my car, so I get to enjoy both obsolete music formats, lol :P

[@vwestlife]

You could use a Discman plugged into the aux jack or an FM modulator, just like people did back in the '90s and early 2000s.

[@frazzleface753]

USB stick is a decent option. Most new cars have USB input for audio.

[@erebostd]

My benz still comes with an cd changer. Never used it, since I mostly stream music, but hey, there you go, if you want to hear CDs...

[@drew2dee2]

hoping to get my first car in the next few months, really interesting ideas in here that ill surely incorporate into my car!

[@Emptiness_Machine_2001]

I am not so sure if i would actually reach at the steering column with my key naturally^^ But yes, everyone should have a flashlight in their car. A thing my parents also told me multiple times when growing up and i have a magnetig lamp that rests on the Metal Bar behind the rear headrests (the OG Saab 9-3 has a metal bar there) but if you'd put it under your bonnet with the magnet, it would Light up the engine bay, you can hold it as a flashlight or put it on the roof and Switch on red flashing Light.

[@rarbiart]

cotton cloths for cupholers (and all other storage compartments) are really useful. i use to cycle them through laundry regularly.

[@LakeNipissing]

Good taste in XM channel presets. We have XM tuner at work in the office, and the channels are almost exactly like that - Bridge, Yacht Rock, 70s/7, 80s/8, Classic Rewind, Hair Nation. Mostly on 178 Yacht Rock, though.

[@howtobebasic2122]

0:01 your license plate almost matches your channel name VWL

[@stonent]

Yeah and it was completely by coincidence apparently. When I first saw it I thought "name and pant size, wha?"

[@WARDANT1]

That takes me back. In the late 80s/early 90s I had a compass on my windscreen. I don't know why I stopped having one? It was very useful especially around London.

[@bakonfreek]

My 2015 Dodge Dart *had* very open mesh pouches in the trunk, but those have since been shredded. I deadass did not know about that ventilation thing with the sun roof, that's pretty nifty because my blower fan badly needs serviced.

[@Kylefassbinderful]

7:36 After seeing this and you explaining it I immediately went to my car to see if I could apply the same solution, or at least a variant that would work for my '06 Civic.

[@TheGodoychannel]

Here I am at 3 AM watching a @VWestlife video until the very end! I always enjoy your videos! Keep them coming. Unlike you I have the opposite problem and get used not removing my keys from my pants pocket. So when I switch to older vehicles, it takes me a few seconds to realize that I need to take the keys out of my pocket and insert the ignition key to get it going. Usually it's because I can't find the ignition power button. Haha.

[@jesseai3785]

I love your videos. I've been hooked since I've discovered this channel and subbed. Great stuff

[@KC4RAE]

The cup holders in the Maxima I have came with little discs just for that reason. The Buick's use the seat since the cup holder is a ring attached to the center console/folding arm rest. Kind of nice if you want cup rings on your seat, I guess. My father used four of those hooks to manage cables from the multitude of 12 volt power devices he had connected in the car. The crappy thing is, the adhesive is very hard to remove.

[@carstuff4u942]

I’m not sure if sirus satellite radio still offers lifetime subscriptions, but 15 years ago I purchased a lifetime subscription for $300. It’s good until I die. Might be something you wanna look into.

[@ThriftyAV]

Time to accessorize the 2008 Corolla AND the 1995 F-150... lol. Cool topic that ties into your channel name, and an interesting change of pace.

[@DoogieLabs]

I'm glad you mentioned the bit about the sunroof. Regularly exercising them also helps keep the mechanism from getting stiff and breaking. Love the VW Flashlight going to have to snag that for my cars.

[@64bakes]

Never knew the Jetta (Golf) had keyless entry in the US. Ours, which is the same model year, has a key in the UK. Have you also got a faraday pouch? Relay theft is rife over here so that's a good security measure if you keep your keys near the front door at home.

[@Caliber1077]

I think you would really like all the random stuff you can customize with VCDS. I tweaked a ton of stuff on my 16 gli

[@cirebyte7588]

Good useful ideas!

[@pradolover]

Great hacks those grocery bag hooks look very handy. Excellent fuel economy too, my 2009 Lancer with 2litre atmo gets 7l/100km highway and 9.5l/100km city. Manual trans as well.

[@Rouxenator]

I like this video - but feel I need to make a response video as the owner of a competing 2015 Opel Astra 1.6T 6sp

[@wilkes85]

Hey those are some good ideas! One thing worth adding, for those who have a car without cup holders, you can buy cup holders that hang on the door, I bought a couple for my LTD after the drink between my legs went flying and spilled all over the floor. haha.... the blind spot mirrors are a necessity too, my wing mirrors are very small, and the mirror is flat so you can't really see much of anything in them. That hook to hang the keys where they would normally be is such a good idea that I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturers started putting a hook there eventually.

[@lesrogers7310]

I liked this car when you first showed it on your channel. I like it even more now...

[@JonGallon]

4:40 is convex/biconvex car mirrors illegal in USA? Here (Brazil) they are mandatory in both sides, even in motorcycles.

[@Mrch33ky]

Great ideas!

[@nintendoatarikiller]

VW Golf has these ridiculously narrow side view mirrors. I bought the wide angle euro spec ones from shopDAP. I don't have blind spot monitoring

[@BlayneGames]

Where did you get those carpet floor mats? I've been looking for a pair for mine.

[@vwestlife]

I found them on eBay.

[@YS_Production]

All cars in Europe have the 2 tone horn. Hearing the single tone makes me think of a scooter or a golf cart rather than a car :)

[@Ramdileo_sys]

At 6:50.. hey look at that!! 😃 .. I put a desktop hard drive neodimio magnet there with double sided tape for "stick" the key ring to the magnet 😊(I use to have a hook like you)🤓 but the magnet is a lot easier and fast to attach /detach... try it you'll see 😉 ..

[@cravog.silveira4601]

Great video ! Thanks.

[@TheDanno210]

Good stuff - I especially like the key hook, the cup holder pads, and the trunk scuff shield. I have that same VW light in my TDI Bug. It’s certainly bright, and super compact. My Corrado only has the single 12V outlet which always has a phone charger in it, so a compact LED flashlight lives in its glovebox, or I’d have one in it too. PS: props for playing Jyoti’s song at the end. I was picking up what you were putting down. 😉

[@wgrantha4438]

I love your license plate!!

[@microcloudhd9231]

I’m surprised that you haven’t added that cigarette lighter voltage meter that you had in your Mazda2.

[@vwestlife]

I tried it, but took it out because it sticks up and makes it difficult to reach the cubbyhole in the center console. The LED flashlight is smaller and more useful.

[@CELLOLOVER2011]

“I am gay, but not gay enough to carry a purse!!!” That made me crack up! 😂

[@TwistedRev]

What movie was that clip from at the start haha?

[@markhesse2928]

You should have mentioned the homemade grille shutters (or was that your Subaru)?

[@vwestlife]

I already did a video about that, and it's not applicate to most people and most vehicles.

[@flipeecupsstuff7632]

I’m gonna see if I can do some of these things for my 73 charger,

[@Nabeelco]

Are you sure you can't turn on a compass in the MFI via VCDS or OBDeleven?

[@AndyP126]

Does the command adhesive hold up to the summer heat in the car?

[@vwestlife]

It held up for almost 2 years before I accidentally knocked it off. But the plastic on the steering column is textured so it didn't have as much grip as if it was mounted on totally smooth plastic.

[@jeepguy95]

@9:46 The Jetta DOES have Apple CarPlay AND Android Auto (if you have a smartphone). It's pretty interesting, because you can do Apple Maps or Google Maps on your phone, and it shows up on the touchscreen. :)

[@olik136]

subscription based RADIO is a thing?

[@christianjohnson7228]

Oli K Yes. Sirius XM?

[@stevesstuff1450]

@@christianjohnson7228 : If he's from Europe/ UK, then it may come as a surprise.... radio here in the UK is free; no subscriptions.

[@christianjohnson7228]

Steve's Stuff I see. Excuse me for assuming.

[@Kenny-bw2cz]

@ddk why not stream music or connect music via phone to Bluetooth.? What's so great about Satelite. Radio

[@vwestlife]

Satellite radio doesn't use up your data and still works even in areas with no cell phone service.

[@leonardocastro742]

I love your videos, keep it up!!!!

[@XtremeKremaTor]

I would touch the keys with my knee like i do now if they were hooked on the hook. I can recommend a cargo net for any boot (trunk). Plus, if you use hard cardboard trays off the supermarket fruits that will make sure that your grocery bags are not going anywhere no matter how many roundabouts you will go through

[@stonent]

The key idea is great, my car doesn't have the full keyless system but I rented a car that did with the metal braided key ring with both fobs on it (stupid) and I dropped the keys in the car and could not find them for about an hour, and was afraid to leave the car unattended because anyone could get in and start it and since both keys were together, if I locked the doors I'd be stuck.

[@DAVIDGREGORYKERR]

I wonder why a camera that looks through a small hole in the Licence plate which would replace your wing mirrors and the screen would mount on the dash somewhere.

[@sam65432101]

I have the 2017 version of this car, the single note horn bugs me everytime I need to use it. Can you tell me how you managed to add the high tone horn? Thanks!

[@vwestlife]

It was a kit sold by a company called AA Rodriguez. Unfortunately they don't seem to sell it anymore. But you could buy the parts individually and make it yourself. This web page shows how to install it: forums.tdiclub.com/index.php?threads/dual-horn-kit-tutorial.437253/

[@james42519]

I still don't get the point of satellite radio. I don't travle and fm radio and Pandora, iHeartRadio, tunein is all i need really.

[@CARLiCON]

cool car vid, love the key hook idea, but if there's no traditional keys is it possible to lock the fob in the vehicle?

[@vwestlife]

The fob has about a six-foot proximity range, so if you left it in the car and locked the doors, you could just unlock them again by pulling on the driver's door handle. (It has the touch sensor system for locking and unlocking.)

[@FranklyPeetoons]

It is yet to be determined if that particular version of "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" is sublime art or a crime against nature and Gawd. I get 22 mpg in my filthy, scratch & dent-covered '97 Corolla! But I only drive about 800 miles a year, so no worries. Some day I'll roll over 100,000 miles. Some day. Maybe I should change the oil eventually.

[@infinitecanadian]

That command hook by the ignition is _genius._

[@josephmay4937]

Nice car I have myself a Subaru Impreza I love it gets great gas mileage and is a systematical all wheel drive

[@Nabeelco]

Do you have adaptive cruise control in your Jetta?

[@vwestlife]

No. I never use cruise control anyway.

[@johnsimun6533]

Instead of the hook. Try this. If you have a car with this option, remove the fob from your set of keys. On the fob, find a small ring along with a small charm. (On mine, I have a clip. A little large. It’s a little larger than 1/2 of the size of the fob.) But you say, what do I do with it. The answer is put it in your pocket. Then you would say, but I have other keys. What do I do with them. The answer is drop them in the door pocket when you get in your car. (At one point I had a small group of keys for work. I would have 2 sets of keys in the door pocket when I was in my car. When I got/get home, I grab my keys. When I would get in the car, drop them back into the door. Then when I would park the car at work, I would then grab my work keys, before I went into work.) As for as the fob, just keep it with you all day/night, according to your schedule. When it’s time to clean your pockets out at the end of the day. Put your fob with your items, and reload the next day.

[@DimensionDude]

Is the single-tone horn a "base model" thing? I'm pretty sure that my 2017 Tiguan has a dual-tone horn. I recently had to take a Land Rover tire to the tire shop for patching and a replacement valve stem, I threw an old blanket in the back of the Tiguan and draped it over the rear bumper so I wouldn't scratch it while loading and unloading the wheel. Excellent idea for the center console puddle holder, I'll have to get some of those pads. I got my car in September 2017, it has just under 7500 miles on it now. That's not a typo, I have a very short commute.

[@vwestlife]

It's part of the cost-cutting they think most people won't notice. I believe on the Jetta, only the GLI comes with a dual-tone horn now. But even my 2008 Mazda3 only came with a single-tone horn, and I did a video way back then about upgrading it to a dual-tone horn.

[@wilfromkc]

Glad we both take good care of our cars

[@seanguy9720]

The A/C in my old Accord is no more, so having a sunroof is great. My only problem is the sun will shine into my eyes at certain times of the day with it open (even when wearing sunglasses), not allowing me to use it for safety reasons.

[@Kenny-bw2cz]

Great video as always

[@lesrogers7310]

The type of key you have with your car is exactly the same as that supplied with the European Passat B5.5. I had one like it with my 2002 2.0SE.

[@classicmacintosh]

It's common to the vast majority of all VW AG produced cars. All that changes is the badge on the back.

[@und4287]

It's pretty much the same key that has been used since the early 2000s

[@lesrogers7310]

I realise that it's a common key design for lots of VAG vehicles, but what i'm getting at is that i'm surprised it was still in use up to (and maybe beyond) 2018. For example, my 2011 Passat B7 uses a totally different design that's inserted into a slot in the dash and used like a push button starter. My car is 7 years older, hence the surprise factor.

[@legoman8960]

why am I watching this I can't even drive

[@simonhangan2571]

Same, but at least you can learn something useful for your parents or friends that can drive

[@oledcrt]

What do you think of the sound quality on XM? Personally I thought it was too poor to be worth the price, but I guess it's hard to tell when you're barrelling down the highway.

[@vwestlife]

It's OK. Not great, but OK.

[@5argetech56]

Cool, now I can buy one used... Thanks ❤

[@alliejr]

Excellent! Also, (almost) every Ford has built-in blind spot mirrors. No idea why other manufacturers never copied that feature. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@LakeNipissing]

My 2017 F150 is the first vehicle I have owned to come with them from the factory. They are so great to have, it is hard to go back to a car without them!