Carbon Fiber Brushes vs. Static

I take three popular record brushes and test their claims of static removal. If that's your thing, you've found your place. Welcome to the Vinyl Attack!
0:00 - Intro
1:58 - Brush Tips
5:13 - The Methods
7:21 - Test 1
10:57 - Test 2
13:32 - Test 3
16:01 - Test 4
19:02 - Test 5
20:45 - Test 6
23:58 - Epilogue
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[@laurelhardy4064]

Just boil the kettle, while the water is boiling hold the microfiber cloth over the kettle, damp the microfiber cloth by holding it over the steam, then wipe the record with the damp cloth, you will have almost zero static, thanks for the video.

[@thevinylattack]

I'm too impatient to wait for boiling water ;-)

[@hifitommy]

@@thevinylattack moisture is the enemy of vinyl. moisture plus dust = mud. in very arid climates (think Alaska), a whole house or even a room humidifier is a logical solution. we all have an uncalibrated, but very effective static meter with us. the hair on the back of your forearm will be drawn away from the skin when that anatomy is held over the grooves of the LP. you WILL feel it. test before and after; after you won't feel any static attraction of hair. the Zerostat is HIGHLY effective used just after play and prior to replacing it in the jacket. no need to use a Zstat before playing the record, the static field will collapse into the ground plane of the turntable..

[@thevinylattack]

@@hifitommy Moisture if left unattended, yes. Cleaning a record with water is not only the best way to eliminate static but to clean an album as well, however. If people want (or need) to treat an album for static with a Zerostat with every play, it certainly doesn't harm anything, so to each their own.

[@daniel_dumile]

@@thevinylattackis this because zero stat takes a long time?

[@christopherklinck]

You and Frank remain my consistent favorite subscriptions (it has become something I look forward to every week). I appreciate the work, time, and presentation, every time. Best to you and yours today and every.

[@thevinylattack]

I very much appreciate that. I watch every vid Frank puts out as well. I still think he's the gold standard in youtube for this hobby.

[@DevonRegan]

What channel is Frank?

[@christopherklinck]

@@DevonRegan Channel 33rpm.

[@DevonRegan]

@@christopherklinck thanks

[@zacharyjames1848]

I’ve been waiting for this one. Excited to see what happens! Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦

[@nanchanger]

so what happened?

[@thevinylattack]

Hope you enjoy!

[@S.A.S.H.]

I would love to see the same test done with different platter mat materials. Especially the wool felt some turntable manufacturers like to include with their tables. Versus rubber like most Japanese tables use, and even things like the Herbie's Way Excellent and various acrylic, both solid and foamed acryli. Oh, and Delrin and acrylic platters without a mat.

[@VMX1.]

Great Vid Chris....all the best.

[@thevinylattack]

Thanks much.

[@hashman3171]

Of all the things I didn't know has turned to all the things I need to know,great video again and I'm buying a shirt and sticker !! I am just amazed at your knowledge on this ...amazing!!!

[@thevinylattack]

I'm glad you liked the video and I really appreciate the support.

[@Rigs275]

Chris another great video and good information

[@thevinylattack]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[@pauljanosik371]

Fantastic content. Thank you for taking the time to methodically perform the tests most of us wish we could do but wouldn’t know where to start. Your videos on the Milty and Destat have helped form a clear picture of what’s happening with static and methods to neutralize. Thank you!

[@thevinylattack]

I appreciate you watching.

[@C10011]

This is actually very practical, and thank you. I do want to point out a few confounding variables which should be considered... We need to understand: 1) The triboelectric properties of all materials involved, 2) The sequence and process of static charge build up... 1). Vinyl records easily capture electrons and hold on to them, forming negative charge. If you rub vinyl against a material that easily donates electrons, like wool or glass, you will create an increase in charge differential, aka more static. Common rubber mats of turntables are also electron grabbers, but not as much as vinyl plastic. So as a weaker electron grabber, rubber mats will actually tame the negative charge on the vinyl records a bit. This was demonstrated by your experiment all across. Carbon fibers are supposedly with a small conductive property but very stable and will not donate or grab electrons, hence why the manufacturers advertise anti-static properties, which is actually not factual. Carbon fiber will not worsen static charges. It can potentially conduct the charge away if it is attached to a material of electron grabbers., such as your body.. Now let us look at 2). The sequence of process. When a vinyl record is taken out of the paper sleeves, it will certainly pick up a lot of charge simply from the friction with the paper sleeve... This is why all the vinyl records will register with high charge when first removed from the sleeves, and this is tamed a bit when placed on the rubber platter of the turntable. Rubber is not conductive, so it is not that great at totally taking the electrons away from the vinyl. Then, during playback, the stylus will create static charges on the vinyl simply by way of friction, and then removal from the rubber mat after completion of playback, negative static charge will immediately build up again on the vinyl record... So, when you brush the vinyl record on your hand, you are actually altering the validity of the experiment because you were allowing more time for the vinyl record to dissipate the charge with the brush while in the air... While you cleaned the records on the turntable, the record was in contact with an inert material, rubber. This methodology also increases the surface area contact (friction) and pressure. You certainly cannot put as much pressure, with the same surface area contact, when trying to brush the record by hand held method... You really cannot change the above, because that was the manufacturer instruction. However, time is the one variable neglected that needs to be controlled in this experiment... How much time did you take from first withdrawing the record from the paper sleeve, whether cleaned by a brush or not, or a brush of any inert material, until you placed the record on the rubber mat with similar triboelectric properties...? It would be interesting to see what the outcome measures will be if the entire sequence is timed... When you wet clean a record, you are basically neutralizing all the charges... In practical term, what matters is how to combat negative static charge build up as the stylus is creating friction on the record while the record is playing on a turntable mat... I have seen "audiophiles" buying expensive glass, leather, and even wool turntable mats! These materials will just easily donate more electrons to the vinyl records, already getting a heap of friction from the stylus! The cheapest and most common turntable mats provided by manufacturers are made of rubber for a good reason. More exotic ones come with hefty copper mats (unfortunately, then you are looking at resonance issues if the patter is not heavy enough, but then that adds to shipping fees to the vendors, adding more cost). It would be interesting to see all the above taken into consideration for more experiments...

[@nabrilus]

Dude, I love these "experiment" videos! Thanks!

[@thevinylattack]

I'm glad you like it.

[@robertbartolomie857]

Great video! Very informative! I appreciate it! Thank you!

[@thevinylattack]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Sarge_72]

Great video! I have found these carbon fiber brushes are great at collecting all the dirt into a nice line with record off the TT and makes it easier to remove before I use wet cleaner. Great call out on the Bob Ross technique 👍🏻

[@thevinylattack]

It would seem that dusting LP's is pretty much what they do best.

[@joonapengerkoski]

Thanks for a great video again & Greetings from Finland!

[@thevinylattack]

Thanks for dropping by!

[@joemayes1020]

Thanks for the static class, as always you make it seem interesting I was wondering about the Radio Shack tape head demagnetizer. As mentioned in one of the comments.

[@thevinylattack]

I'll take a look and see what I can find. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@jeremyr722]

This is great! I have one of those Disc Washer brushes from the 70’s. You know, with the little bottle of cleaner that slides inside the grip? It was my dad’s. Also I got that ronx lighter for anti-stat purposes that you reviewed awhile back.

[@thevinylattack]

I'd say those would work very well in combination and it didn't cost you very much either.

[@johnmbell4642]

Hey Chris thanks for doing this myself I use the zero stat followed with the gold brush I think the gold brush does an excellent job removing dust never really thought of it as removing static even though it claims it can. I use the brush more or less as directed I remove the brush by running it off the edge while touching the rotating platter lightly with a finger from my other hand hoping to draw off any static that I thought I may have been introducing by dragon in the brush on the record or so I thought🙂 have a great memorial day probably couldn’t ask for a nicer weekend here in Michigan🇺🇸🇺🇸👍

[@thevinylattack]

That's pretty much the same habit I have when I'm playing a record.

[@CT-ps8zl]

Your content is always interesting and enjoyable. Thanks for that. I have given up brushes altogether in favor of the sticky roller. Like you I always wet clean a new/new old record and place in a anti-static sleeve. Before dropping the needle I roll the record to remove any residual dust/debris and hit with the anti-stat gun . Works very well for me. Keeps my stylus clean and my vinyl quiet.

[@thevinylattack]

Sounds like you've found your system and it works. I'm glad to hear it.

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

Every sticky roller I've tried clearly left a residue on the album surface, even those sold by audio retailers.

[@CT-ps8zl]

@@VideoArchiveGuy I haven’t noticed any residue or I’ll effects from using the sticky roller. That doesn’t mean it’s not there - just I haven’t found it to be problematic. That said, of late I have been using the carbon fiber brush more for lighter dust/debris, reserving the sticky roller for heavier accumulations. I appreciate your comment and will look more carefully after rolling.

[@fusionfan6883]

A sticky roller specifically produced for record cleaning ruined loads of my records by leaving small patches of sticky residue. This residue also contaminated the stylus. No way would I use them again not least because they do not work! They only lift dust from the surface of the record, not the dust in the grooves that actually cause the crackling. Also never wet a record with tap water as it can leave mineral deposits.

[@myquealer]

I love all the static testing you've been doing. It's a welcome change to see someone using scientific methods in their testing. I wonder if you can test different mat materials to see if they make a difference in the huge drops you see when putting it on a turntable. Felt, cork, acrylic, leather, rubber etc.

[@thevinylattack]

Mats are something I'm looking at, but it'll take a bit as I need to purchase all the supplies.

[@myquealer]

@@thevinylattack Thanks! It would also be interesting to measure the static on the B side after using a proven tool on the A side. And test how much static sliding in and out of various inner sleeves creates. Who knew there could be so many tests to do related to static on records?....

[@thevinylattack]

@@myquealer That's something I'm looking at and just figuring how to add to a video. Just testing two sides of a records wouldn't be very exciting without some additional content ;-)

[@myquealer]

@@thevinylattack Right, I meant testing if removing the static from one side affects the static level on the other side. Without knowing a lot about static charge, I could imagine the static on both sides is removed, the static on the other side is unchanged, or the charge from the treated is somehow pushed to the untreated side and so the static is increased. Probably not worth an entire video, but could be included on a future static testing video.

[@tonyharrison2542]

Nice work Chris. Over the years, I have tried and used numerous brushes to help deal with record dust and static. It's been my experience that while some are effective with the elimination of dust, not so much with static reduction. Several years ago, I invested in an Ultrasonic cleaning device to replace a VPI unit that I had been using. For me, the Ultrasonic cleaner has been a godsend in terms of record cleaning, and minimizing dust and static. I don't seem to experience the same degree of problems with dust or static as I once did.

[@thevinylattack]

A quality wet clean is a sure fire way to get rid of that static.

[@johnparks6172]

Interesting review. Thanks for the demonstrating. I've used all of these brushes including the ZeroStat. I stopped using the ZeroStat years ago. It just wore out and I never replaced it. This was way back when CDs were coming to market and record care products became scarce. Since then I've been wet/dry cleaning my records and noticed that static would dissipate after washing. Using the Thunderon brush after cleaning dissipates static indefinitely. And though the instructions don't indicate this, I've used it on the platter mat with noticeable results. No static remains. My recommendation is to use the Thunderon brush on your record mat and after your cleaning method before you place your record on the turntable. The next time you play your records use the AudioQuest brush (I actually have the MoFi equipment). The only tool I don't have is what you used to measure static.

[@thevinylattack]

That brush did nothing for me, unfortunately.

[@tdub77]

Yup another great static video. After watching some of these I purchased the destat 3. Great product. Might be interesting to see how well the anti-static sleeves do to keep static down once destaticed?

[@thevinylattack]

The Destat is simply fantastic, if not a little pricey. Unfortunately, I don't know of a good way to test the static relation to an inner sleeve as time in storage, humidity, location and even album could all be varying factors. I appreciate the suggestion though.

[@CosmicKnight1]

“Scratch the dogs nut” had me laughing out loud. Awesome! Love your videos!

[@thevinylattack]

Glad you like them!

[@puddle5ofmud599]

I love the T-Shirt absolutely wicked man!

[@thevinylattack]

Thanks. I'm partial to it as well.

[@chrisharding6205]

Another informative video thanks. Now I know my brush only gets rid of some dust and debris. Doesn't do anything for static. Which I kinda figured. I noticed my acrylic platter mat helps on the table for that as well as all my records go through my spin clean before going near my system. Thanks and can't wait till next week.

[@thevinylattack]

That wet clean is probably doing the most work for you with static reduction. Good stuff.

[@Channel33RPM]

Interesting, as always!

[@thevinylattack]

Thanks Frank. Not a terribly exciting vid, but hopefully it cleared up some confusion for people.

[@skellexis404]

Thank you for the so-called “redundancy” for us noobs out there. I’m sure you must have many extreme audiophile viewers, but as a beginner it’s nice to have experienced people to learn from that explain thoroughly.

[@thevinylattack]

I try to cover all the bases when I can.

[@richardanderson1484]

As usual Chris your videos are very informative and I enjoy them very much. I just bought and received the gold brush as we call it and my concern is like in the video the silver brush the gold brush sounds rough on my record. I am lightly applying the brush not putting any pressure on it. Is there a break-in period on this brush? I look forward to every Sunday for a new video. May you and all your family have a merry Christmas and a happy New Year.

[@thevinylattack]

I have noticed that over time my gold handle brush has softened, but I can really say how long that took. It was always softer than the silver handle (which I don't use at all).

[@cuppadan]

Dude, you rock. The vinyl science guy!

[@thevinylattack]

I appreciate it.

[@possiblystevo9141]

another useful video, plenty of food for thought here. the plasma lighter was a revelation too, ive had great success with it ! a little off the static topic but where dust is concerned I find it helps to to lower my stylus onto a magic eraser sponge before each side. the diamond lifts dirt out of the groove, the nano fibres grab everything of the diamond- prolonging the life of both it and the records it plays. each sponge costs pennies. could be something to investigate on your channel one day :)

[@thevinylattack]

I've heard of that, but I haven't tested it yet as I'd need a microscope that's both powerful and flexible enough to see the results.

[@stevenannett1739]

Good to know , Thanks sir

[@gunnarkarlsson195]

I have a carbon fibre brush from Decca that I've had for about 30 years. It has a certain spot on it where you are supposed to put one finger giving contact from the record to your body. The electrons have to have somewhere to go. My experience is it takes down the static a lot. Less pops. I also found out that by lightly holding a finger from my other hand to the edge of the record I get even better result. I guess it makes a kind of short circuit and my body is an accumulator.

[@davidroot298]

Hey Chris. Once again I really dig your content. I have a buddy that uses an ionized blow dryer with no heat. He said it was $20 and claims to get great results. Makes me wonder if it works like the destat at a much more friendly price. Would be cool to know. Keep it coming brother.

[@thevinylattack]

I've looked at them and I'm mulling it over. I'm trying to steer clear of items that need to be plugged in to work, but that may change.

[@thisguy2755]

The Tonar Dustaway brush (and there are many similarly shaped brushes) is my fav. It has no frills, works great and is quite cheap. Together with my Onzow Zerodust they are the only two gadgets I use when playing records... lovin' it ;-) Ps. great vids, keep em comin'!

[@thevinylattack]

I'm glad you found it useful.

[@jeremyr722]

Yeah, I love my Zero Dust too. Just an excellent little product. The clever little magnifying lens cover is neat, tho I don’t much use it.

[@danielcombs3207]

Nice work on this video. I just bought the gold brush . And I will use the method you suggested. Do you think wearing nitrile gloves would improve handling the record? I don’t know how nitrile material effects vinyl.

[@thevinylattack]

I'm sure the gloves would keep oils and dirt from your hands off the record, but I also don't think it's necessary in the least.

[@TheGooch7128]

Great testing. I use an old credit card to clean my brush. The brush i use is the 57 POWERS Record Cleaner Brush Dust and Static Elimination COREBRID-B. I ruined 1 record with those small ones you have,they are so small ,lost control and it fell on the record scratching it.

[@thevinylattack]

I personally wouldn't ever try the whisking motion again with one of those small bristled brushes. At least it was just a test LP.

[@davidrandall1953]

Here is my question. When a physical object like an anti-stat brush makes contact with with record surface, at some point doesn’t that brushing actually generate more static electricity? Can you add extra static through vigorous brushing? If so…then doesn’t that mean the effectiveness is on a curve, with a little bit possibly being helpful but too much being counterproductive? Just wondering.

[@thevinylattack]

@@davidrandall1953 It could very well be possible yes, but I'm afraid I don't have the patience to test that. I achieved results with light brushing for maybe 10 - 15 seconds or so, but I still think using the plasma lighter is easier and more effective.

[@andromedaneoprog]

I used to use the silver audioquest and yes, it does make fine scratches to the record. It was kind of an urban legend on some sites but i can confirm it. I've read the instructions prior use, didnt press the brush into the record at all so yes, i do agree with you and wouldnt recomend that brush at all. Great work as usual!! Greetings!

[@thevinylattack]

It's certainly not a brush I'll use again.

[@michaelriner1181]

My experience was the same. Use spin clean for intense cleaning, and rely on old Disc Washer for routine dust removal. Static still a concern, especially during winter months.

[@andromedaneoprog]

@@michaelriner1181 im actually using the Vinyl Vac along with mofi record brushes and havent look back since. I've been getting quite good results using this system.

[@event4216]

I wish I had read this a month before when I unpacked new record, saw dust on it and after wiping with CF brush was horrified to see traces of using brush all over surface on what minute ago was mint record. Lesson learned!

[@andromedaneoprog]

@@event4216 it was the same thing that happened to me. Brand new record destroyed by a product that was made to "take care of" your record. Since then, i go spreading the word about the issue to help people avoid those brushes. One that i would highly recommend is the Mofi brush. Great product and no scratching at all.

[@LessTalkMoreDelicious]

I've used my current CF brush to dust about 150 of my old recs so far (before putting into new, upgraded poly inners). But, I ordered a Thunderon this week, to hopefully help speed up the process and/or better dust removal. I still have about 300-350 recs to do. Your vid seems to show similar static-reduction and inconsistency for both CF and Thunderon; but, they do seem to work, even if just a little. The biggest Cons of the CF brush I find is: 1.) The bristles are waay too short, resulting in the hard-plastic-handle's edges and corners dangerously close to the face of the record, esp while doing fast swiping motions. I've already accidentally nicked or scratched 5+ recs because of this (out of 150+ recs, so not a bad ratio). I am super careful too. The Thunderon will be a nice upgrade, as its' bristles are super long; so the plastic handle is further away and much safer. 2.) After wiping off dust, paper fibers, etc. ...now you are left with tiny microscopic CF fibers on your record. I guess this is a highly known and common problem with CF brushes. The Thunderon doesn't constantly shed its' bristles like the CF brushes. Even if the CF and Thunderon are similar in terms of static-reduction and/or inconsistent results, I think it'll still be worth it to buy for the aforesaid reasons. I also ordered a Plasma Electric Lighter, thanks to your videos! I'm excited to get it. After a lot of research, it's very similar to a Zerostat on the cheap! :) I have a feeling the Thunderon + Electric Lighter will be a killer combo for reducing static and dust removal.

[@tanyet]

Thanks for the videos. Love this channel. On another note, I’m not aware of any brush that is fine enough to get inside record grooves. They all say this but it simply can’t be true.

[@thevinylattack]

I haven't seen one either, but I'll still check the claim if I'm able.

[@shawnsummers2580]

Great background music sir ❤

[@thevinylattack]

I don't even remember what I chose, lol.

[@ryan.m.weisgerber]

This was really interesting, and I think your videos are great. I'm wondering how much the material of the platter factors into what you were seeing with the static electricity dissipating into the table when the record was put down. I have an acrylic platter, which definitely is an improvement over the metal platter I had before, but I'm curious how acrylic / metal compare to each other specifically. 🙂

[@thevinylattack]

Something I'll try to take a look at down the line. Thank you.

[@axelfeiss1130]

Great test and very well structured. What tests may companies like Audioquest do prior to developing the catch phrases on the box? I also wonder whether the amount of static going into the turntable when putting the record on it depends on the design of the turntable and or is influenced by the type of platter mat you use? A light weight player based on foam material and ceramic platter vs mass player with a 12kg aluminium platter and heavy metal housing?

[@thevinylattack]

I'd imagine the type of turntable would indeed have an impact on how much static is bled off. This just helps to solidify that treating the record before play is the best idea. I may test how much bleed off on other tables as I have the opportunity.

[@leon9021]

Another great piece to add to the collection of static treatment videos. This shows again quite clearly that the methods to go by are usually holding the record in hand while treating it. Great job!

[@thevinylattack]

Thanks, I'm pretty content with the results and methods myself.

[@taylorevans3593]

Hi Chris, great video again. Have you found carbon fibre brushes shed "hairs" on the record? With the one I no longer use (generic common brush found on Amazon), I noticed on a white record that hairs were lodged in the grooves. And then I looked closely at the brush as I flipped the cover back and forth to clean the brushes that it was shedding fibre hairs like crazy. Is this common to all carbon fibre brushes? I haven't used a carbon brush since finding the problem, and having to clean ALL my records afterwards. Have been considering trying the Audioquest but am hesitant due to the shedding of fibre hairs. Thanks!

[@thevinylattack]

I haven't had any shedding with the brush I use. I can't speak for the less expensive models they make.

[@NotEnoughRecords]

I only recently picked up the Thunderon and have been using the silver brush for years. Not at all surprised that the silver brush doesn nothing while the record is on the turntable, but definitely surprised to see that the Thunderon's biggest advantage is that the instructions dictate cleaning 'in hand'. Anecdotally I've been impressed with the Thunderon's ability to neutralize static on records that are noticeably bad (clinging to the sleeve or turntable mat)

[@thevinylattack]

It did indeed reduce static, but it didn't work nearly as well as I'd hoped.

[@lobstame]

I am new to the channel, I will subscribe. I like this methodology, it is telling with no bullshit.

[@thevinylattack]

Welcome aboard!

[@jikenj]

I can't say enough about the zero stat gun but also use a squeeze ball puffer to blow off the dust before I brush it with my gold type brush that you used.

[@thevinylattack]

I've always had good results with the Milty myself.

[@irashapiro9189]

Great video, Chris. I've watched all of your static videos. Your static measurements of the record on the turntable are always consistently low. If you use a carbon fiber to remove the dust, ( I use the Audioquest Gold) is static electricity really an issue for playback?

[@thevinylattack]

It is, yes. Having the static bleed off into the table isn't good for electronics, especially when they're as sensitive in nature as something like a turntable cartridge. Treating your records before play is definitely a good idea.

[@arthurwiens2762]

Thanks for your work. Not as sexy as reviewing brand new equipment but enlightening on a day to day basis. Also, you have a good way of coming across as unbiased and humble. Won't buy a brush to eliminate static though thank to you. Still debating on the expensive remedies... My Sony PS155 finally died (don't laugh). It sounded good or so I thought. Bought a Pro-Ject X2 to replace it (I have more money now than 38 years ago and now I realize my whole stereo experience needs a rethink...) Thanks again.

[@thevinylattack]

I'm glad to hear you find the videos helpful.

[@AnthonyCandaele]

I have a Tonar nostatic brush but it leaves a lot of static after cleaning. So I ordered the Brush maple from Ursa Major. I heard good things about this brush.

[@thevinylattack]

I imagine it'll be good for wiping dust, but not so much for static. Let us know how it works for you.

[@S.A.S.H.]

How often was the third measurement while holding the disk, the highest? Measuring over the thumb contacting the other side of the record. Also sort by both record label, as well as pressing era might reveal patterns worth looking into.

[@playbackamusicloversjourne8620]

Good video. If you haven't already tried it add a small amt of quat such as Behentrimonium to your ultrasonic bath. I've cleaned my collection of 1k lps in my Kirmuss US cleaner using Distilled water, 2% IPA, Triton X100 & a small amt of Behentrimonium and have not had any issues 6 months after finishing.

[@thevinylattack]

I'm a little hesitant to add anything waxy to the mix.

[@playbackamusicloversjourne8620]

@@thevinylattack As you are into comparative test why not give it a test try on a couple of albums that you know have a static issue and play alot. I'm only adding 1/3 tsp in a 6 litre US bath so the amount is almost negligible but very effective and a lifetime supply costs about $15 on Amazon. It's fairly safe to use as it's a component added to alot of hair conditioner products. It has to be disolved with a small amt of hot water at about 180 degrees before adding to the tank.

[@JtBrown-el4xt]

I always heard that you're supposed to move the brush towards the spindle and to touch it to discharge the static. It's probably bologna, but who knows. Great video man. Love the content.

[@thevinylattack]

Because I was grounded the whole time, I can attest that touching the spindle wouldn't have made any difference. But, I've heard that for years as well.

[@NiiOnLood]

I don't think most turntables have their spindles grounded somewhere...

[@randyhollandsworth626]

Great video. Can you recommend a good Electrostatic Field Meter? I think you are using the FMX-003 however, I just want to be sure. Thanks for any help and keep up the great work! P.S. Thoughts on NEWTRY Handheld Digital Electrostatic Field Meter? They have them in stock on Amazon.

[@thevinylattack]

Newtry is just the seller, the product shown appears to be the Simco FMX 003. I have the 002 from Simco and it's been a workhorse.

[@randyhollandsworth626]

@@thevinylattack Thanks!

[@thevinylattack]

@@randyhollandsworth626 I hope it helped.

[@stellarpod]

Some of the inconsistency in readings would cause me to be skeptical of the measuring device. Is it calibratable? If so, when was the last time it was calibrated? As always, thanks for sharing. Steve

[@thevinylattack]

The inconsistencies are so small that I can assure you the reader is accurate. These are millivots we're measuring with, and getting slight variances is completely normal.

[@johntrott9513]

Interesting video. I didnt really pay much attention to the static claims of brushes. In my head I figured the friction was more likely to induce static. I was mostly looking for something to remove dust off the surface. I ordered a Zerostat shortly after buying our first turntable so never thought to try anything else. After seeing microscratches left behind by one of the brushes (forgot which) I never use them. Luckily the record was the blue Autobahn that was already a terrible press so didn't care too much about. I now use either the Mofi felt or Nagoaka roller, just depends on the situation. I do also wet clean using a label saver at the sink and store in Mofi sleeves. Hopefully that will change if the Humming Guru arrives and works well.

[@thevinylattack]

I'd say you've got a solid system going. I'm looking forward to checking out the humminguru, but unfortunately I just received word that they're not looking to ship the kickstarter backers until early September instead of June as they'd anticipated.

[@johntrott9513]

@@thevinylattack yeah I checked some of their social media not too long ago and saw the September ETA. Delays of new products are nothing new, I guess the current climate can't be helping matters either.

[@thevinylattack]

@@johntrott9513 That's my guess. I suppose I should be happy that the kickstarter people are still getting theirs before the rest.

[@ToolTalkCanada]

Thanks for the video. Have you seen the Mapleshade Static Draining Brush? Their sites says "our brush uses highly conductive bristles connected to a grounding wire that conducts static away from the brushed object right into a plug you connect to the ground of any three-prong AC wall outlet". Would this be effective? I think you said you were wearing a grounding strap on your ankle for your tests. Since no one does this when they're actually playing records, how much affect does this have on your test results?

[@thevinylattack]

It won't do any good if you use a brush like that on a record that's on the table. Records need to be treated in hand (or off the table) to properly eliminate static. Don't tell anyone (as the serious scientist types get angry) but in testing static both with and without a grounding strap, there really wasn't any discernable difference. I keep the strap on for consistency in testing. That's it. If you eliminate static from a record in hand and then play it, you're good to go.

[@flyingkillerrobots877]

Thanks for the vid ! I noticed that you're using paper sleeves consistently here (and they definitely leave debris on the record) and was wondering why and just how much anti-static sleeves actually help in reducing static buildup in the first place. I seem to have few issues with static build up once I do two wet cleans and then store in an anti-static sleeve - but then I'm not measuring the static with a device. Might make for an interesting video in the future?

[@thevinylattack]

I keep those old second hand records in their paper sleeves because they keep the static up. I need it for testing. My personal records get a wet clean and a mofi or poly lined paper sleeve.

[@flyingkillerrobots877]

@@thevinylattack Thanks - right - of course that makes perfect sense. Have you tried the "Invest In Vinyl" brand MoFi clones? I was surprised to find I liked them better than the MoFI. (they offer a little more padding).

[@thevinylattack]

@@flyingkillerrobots877 I haven't but I may do that down the line.

[@baddestgrampa8543]

Great video. You should try demagnetizing also with a video/audio tape eraser. I picked an old RadioShack model a few weeks ago and noticed a very nice result when trying it on vinyl and even CD’s.

[@thevinylattack]

I will check it out.

[@AndyP126]

Don't demagnetize records using a tape eraser on a direct drie turntable. Those things use electromagnets to turn the platter.

[@baddestgrampa8543]

@@AndyP126 Agreed. Definitely do it away from any electronics. Never on a turntable

[@AndyP126]

@ LOL!

[@quikspecv4d]

Just started the video. In my experience the brush doesn’t remove static. It just doesn’t add when brushing. Let’s see! Also, i moved from a cb brush to a sticky roller to remove dust. I only use the cb brush to remove dust from my acrylic platter.

[@thevinylattack]

Those rollers intrigue me, it doesn't seem like they'd be able to reach where the dust resides.

[@flyingkillerrobots877]

@@thevinylattack They actually work pretty well.

[@thevinylattack]

@@flyingkillerrobots877 I may take a look at one eventually.

[@Vince_Tasciotti]

Primarily, I use an anti-static brush to remove loose dust and debris from the LP. As a side thought, I wonder if using an ultaviolet sanitizer wand would reduce static.

[@thevinylattack]

I don't think it would have an effect, but I've been wrong before.

[@dcrook232323]

@@thevinylattack Sorry, I just suggested this (June '22) in comments before I saw this similar suggestion. Great minds....

[@TBNTX]

Chris, if I might ask, what is the device you are using to measure the static on the LP? I think that I'd like to get one like yours.

[@thevinylattack]

It's a Simco static electricity meter. They're not cheap, but they work great.

[@TBNTX]

@@thevinylattack Thank you. That's what I wanted to know.

[@skipnick]

I've been having great results killing static on clean or new vinyl with: Putting the record on the player, putting cleaning solution down in a line center to outside, spin the record using the felt brush until it's gone, using the dry edge to dry, and then anti static brush to finish. Definitely drops the static amount.

[@thevinylattack]

I'd fathom a guess that what's actually happening is the static is just bleeding off into the table and coming back when you pick the record up. Might be worth checking out.

[@skipnick]

@@thevinylattack oh good point. I noticed a new vinyl, freshly loaded with static from its sleeve, absolutely had a draw to the platter when I went to flip it to the other side immediately after putting it down. I should mention im using a *acrylic* platter *mat* on a debut Carbon Evo. And I also picked up the grounded static brushing arm, although not convinced it works much. Have you any thoughts on the *acrylic* mat? Maybe that is absorbing the static. Regardless, Whatever I'm doing works very decently !

[@thevinylattack]

@@skipnick New records are usually the worst culprits for static so I'm not surprised you had issues there. The static brush arm is something I'd like to take a look at myself, but I have my reservations about its effectiveness. Can you tell me which mat specifically you're using? I'd love to read up on it more.

[@skipnick]

@@thevinylattack I apologize i meant to say *acrylic* mat. Here is exactly what I bought: www.amazon.com/dp/B08H52BXY1/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_imm_awdb_VFFHYNABZX2WXWYDBKJT As far as sound, I do have excellent recording gear and microphones, I can record a comparison and let you know what actual differences there are.

[@thevinylattack]

I'll take a look at it. Thanks.

[@bhtoque]

Not to add to your work load, but I'd be interested to see the difference in results for the wired brushes (Acoustech Big Record Brush and Mapleshade Static Draining Brush) They're about twice the price of the Thunderon brush, but have ground wire built in. In my experience using a zerostat for the static and a carbon brush to actually remove the now less clingy dust, gives solid results.

[@thevinylattack]

I may take a look at those in the future.

[@Veganteamster]

I'd like to second this request. I use the Mapleshade on the vinyl and on my acrylic platter. Seems to make a big difference. Thanks for videos.

[@mplsmark222]

I dabbled in photography. The cmos imager in the digital SLR camera can get dust specks from dust being introduced during lens changes. So, as a way to collect the dust down inside the camera I would use a wide artist’s brush with fine,soft bristles, but first I blasted the brush with canned air, or Co2. The idea being we charge the bristles so the dust bits will stick to them. I do this with my record carbon brush. It is much more effective at cleaning the hair and dust out of the brush. I don’t know if it makes the brush more or less effective at removing static, but I think it makes dust removal from the record more effective. I was hoping this test experiment would cover this approach. Any thoughts?

[@thevinylattack]

A very interesting idea. Could you send me an email so I can hear about the specifics? (No, this is not the spam bot).

[@mplsmark222]

@@thevinylattack Here a couple videos. About 5min. In kzbin.info/www/bejne/mF6alJyIrc1pqZo About 4.5 min. In kzbin.info/www/bejne/p5OtkoVmrapkj7s Mostly done to help remove dust, but I am curious if it effects static as well. The only thing I copy is blowing across the bristles. Thanks for your reply.

[@thevinylattack]

@@mplsmark222 Thanks for the reference videos. I'll check them out.

[@kennethjoyce1457]

I bought the Sleeve City brush a year or two ago. I mainly use it for a quick clean before playing until this past December when I started purchasing audiophile vinyl. These "quiet" records always come loaded with static when I receive them in the mail and my brush has not impressed me very much getting rid of the obnoxious gremlin... until after watching your video. So I went back and tried the brush again for the purpose of ridding my music from this hideous entity. This morning before playing my One-Step Yes "Fragile" I got to wondering, if the album is all charged up, why are we just treating one side? So this time I brushed BOTH sides before I placed the record on the platter and (maybe it's all in my head or just our weather here today), but I believe it really helped...... today.... but who knows about tomorrow....

[@thevinylattack]

I'm glad to hear that worked out for you.

[@reinventing59]

Would it help the results if you discharge the carbon brush I have a little metal bar on my stereo rack and discharge against that seems to help

[@thevinylattack]

It wouldn't make any difference.

[@majkon93]

Salesman in a local shop convinced me to buy a goat brush (Tonar woodgoat) because it should (allegedly) be better and more gentle than the carbon one even for dry cleaning as it less likely make scratches. Since I can’t find any mentions about it online (only that it's good for wet cleaning), I got bit nervous if it's really safe to use it dry. What do you think?

[@thevinylattack]

In my experience goat hair is indeed more gentle than carbon fiber. However, the length of the hair has much to do with it. A short bristled brush won't have much give. I haven't felt (or used) the particular brush to which you're referring though, so I'd say use your best judgment. Vinyl is tougher than people think most of the time and you're just looking to give it a light brushing for dust control.

[@johnholmes912]

i used carbon fibre brush for years, and have given up on it the classical method of cleaning using a felt pad drawn from the inner groove to the outside edge is superior solution for me deeper clean is a chieved by using cyberclean putty machine cleaning only on new 2ndhand aquisitions

[@thevinylattack]

Any pad in particular you're fond of?

[@hrw2894]

Where did you get your static electricity detector? For the record (!) I use a Milty Zerostat. Thanks

[@thevinylattack]

I purchased this one on ebay. They're pretty expensive and harder to find than you'd think. At least in my experience.

[@hrw2894]

@@thevinylattack I know - I've looked. Well, as long as you're doing it, I don't need to. Thanks -

[@thevinylattack]

@@hrw2894 I appreciate the confidence.

[@willywonka3050]

My (unscientific) process for cleaning and de-static: spin clean + microfiber/cotton combo dry, then air out for a while. Brush each side for 3-5 revs before playing with either an Ortofon (roll and lift, good for large debris) or Hudson HIfi Audioquest clone (roll and lift on first sweep, drag off horizontally to left edge thereafter). 2 rounds for recently cleaned/new records, 3-5 for uncleaned. Then, I manually spin the platter to inspect for dust before lifting the record off to check for static (which I remove with a plasma lighter while holding the record). After each LP I dip the stylus in cleaning gel. This works well enough for me, though I'm well aware there are better options. It's not that I like carbon fiber, I just hate Discwashers and velour pads in general. I can see how the Ortofon brush scratches records, but the Hudson Hifi brush is so soft that it's probably impossible to scratch a record unless large debris is snagged. As for the "antistatic"/non-static properties of carbon fiber, it's utter BS for people in dry-ish climates. These things build static like a Van de Graaff generator no matter which method or brush I use. Thus the only 3 temporary solutions to static are a plasma lighter/Zerostat, humidifying my room, and wet cleaning. Static is much more prevalent on certain records, generally on older thinner ones but I've had massive static on new 180-200g records too. I've never had issues with static discharge causing pops, instead the issue is just dust attraction and getting glued to the platter mat.

[@thevinylattack]

Environment is certainly key in the amount of static produced. I find that it's an uphill battle here when it's winter.

[@hoobsgroove]

I think natural goat hair is better than carbon well it is for cleaning but I think it reduces static better as well. you should be able to buy a 6-inch by 2-inch painters brush made from goat's hair they have a metal band around. when cleaning you should clean the platter Mat first with the damp goat hair brush, rinse the brush and then do the record

[@thevinylattack]

I might look into that.

[@bradt.3555]

A wire brush for cleaning files get's records REALLY clean, course there are no grooves left to get dirty. Seems this test took a while, How much did the humidity in the air change or was it constant thru the test? Should've thrown in a good old disc-washer brush, they seem to do a really good job of killing static when you use a couple of drops of solution.

[@thevinylattack]

The entire test ran about 45 minutes. While I'm not in a laboratory, there wasn't anything in the air that would affect the condition of the records.

[@bradt.3555]

Cool, I have noticed someday's the humidity change even between morning and afternoon has a big effect on static.

[@thevinylattack]

@@bradt.3555 It doesn't change much in my basement.

[@audiorick841]

I would love to get your take on the anti-static properties of felt vs cork vs rubber vs acrylic platter mats.

[@thevinylattack]

It's on my list for sure.

[@DevonRegan]

I was thinking this same thing. The other thing I can't help but wonder is, does any of this matter? We've seen that the bulk of the static is transferred to the other side of the record. The question then is is the table absorbing it, or is it just on the reverse side of the record. If it's just on the reverse side and nothing is influencing the electronics then do any of these make a difference in audio quality?

[@thevinylattack]

@@DevonRegan If treated with something like a Milty or a Destat, the static isn't transferred it's dissipated from the album which is what you want. If there is static on a record and it's placed on a turntable, the static bleeds off into the machine which isn't a great idea with its sensitive electronics.

[@DevonRegan]

@@thevinylattack I'm curious how much that bleed actually impacts the electronics though. I just found you and love the content. I've been using the same "gold brush" as you. Have a VPI Cyclone I use to wet wash my records, store all of them in MoFi sleeves etc but also wonder when I'm chasing one step too far. The Destat based on your videos works, the question I wonder though, is does it improve the sound in a measurable way?

[@thevinylattack]

@@DevonRegan I can tell you with certainty that you hear a difference in records treated with a Destat. The amount of static reduction directly leads to less pops and clicks and less dust and dirt being attracted to your record. A Zerostat will have a similar impact and costs less.

[@S.A.S.H.]

Since labels, and even pressing plants use slightly different vinyl formuli, I question how "scientific" tests such as these can be. There are so many variations that have to be taken into account. But having said that. your approach is about as "scientificx" as possible without weeks of detailed lab testing. I appreciate your time and efflorts in all these static videos. Thanks for the work!

[@thevinylattack]

Considering how many records I tested from various eras, pressing plants, and genres, I don't worry about any of the results I posted.

[@S.A.S.H.]

@@thevinylattack fair enough. When the point is reduction of static then the delta is more important anyway. Did you notice differences in older versus newer pressings? Or similarities in pretreatment static readings for pressings from the same label during the same time frames, or similar patterns?

[@thevinylattack]

@@S.A.S.H. None. For the purposes of static, it would seem that vinyl is vinyl. Unless you're talking about colors (blue, red, even clear) then they can necessitate a second treatment sometimes. Those seem to hold static more.

[@S.A.S.H.]

@@thevinylattack very interesting. Good to know. Thanks for the clarification s and extra data.

[@thevinylattack]

@@S.A.S.H. No worries.

[@eugenemcnair2924]

The question I have is .How much did it cost for your ultrasonic cleaner? Thinking about purchasing one.

[@thevinylattack]

Well the Degritter I have isn't cheap by any means at around $3000, but with the amount I use it and the results I get, I think it's worth the money.

[@jeremyr722]

I keep hoping the HummingGuru will drop soon

[@dcrook232323]

To VISUALLY test dust / brush cleaning brush itself, try a black light bar. 👍

[@JoeLaFon3]

Yea I don't keep the bristles straight either I let them drag about. I have always been curious as to what kind of damage a carbon brush could do to the record If done incorrectly

[@thevinylattack]

With some serious force applied, more than I'd like to see I'd wager.

[@AndyP126]

I’d love to see effects on static or a quick wet clean with a vintage Discwasher brush.

[@thevinylattack]

I don't have one of those brushes, but I could probably work something up for the wet clean.

[@AndyP126]

@@thevinylattack Any brush with directional fabric should work. They're WAY BETTER than carbon fiber. The dirt gets trapped IN the brush because of the directional fibers. They're not specifically designed to eliminate static. But wetting a record should eliminate static. The Audio Technica AT6012 has directional fabric on it, and can be found at Best Buy. But vintage Discwasher brushes are cool because they have a nice wooden handle and it's hollowed out to hold the cleaning fluid. There are different generations of the Discwasher, with different types of directional fabric. Just don't get a NEW RCA Discwasher brush. It DOES NOT have directional fabric any more. I have a spare AT6015 (Brush only) that I may be able to donate to the cause. It has direction fabric on it. The AT6012 replaced the the AT6015. The 6015 has a metal handle which is supposed to help eliminate static.

[@mycosys]

FWIW the static isnt 'bleeding into' the turntable, its being attracted to the turntable side of the record by the grounded platter but it cant reach it. Thats why it comes right back.

[@thevinylattack]

It's going from the record to the turntable. I'd say that 'bleeding off' is an accurate phrase.

[@EddyTeetree]

Out of interest what numbers do you need to have no rice bubble effect from static? Did you try this?

[@thevinylattack]

I'm not quite understanding the question.

[@jamesphillips7100]

I use carbon fibre arm brush that rotates with record and play with the lid down, I’ve tried so many different methods over the years, I only use my RCM on old or new records that have a ton of paper dust. For me this is the best solution.

[@thevinylattack]

If it works for you, you're doing it right ;-)

[@jamesphillips7100]

@@thevinylattack indeed, I found myself as I’m sure many other do being all consumed with static and cleaning I wasn’t doing what I was supposed to be doing and the was enjoying the music! 😂

[@oxiixo6762]

I use an air ioniser genral household use ,however it keeps the air particulates in my studio on surfaces , dusting and stoor sooker removes dust , and keeps things semi dust free . To be honest i wash my vinyl as i use them and always use brush. Now this is controversial, i experimented with aluminum foil and a rubber sheet and it actually worked , heavy static with a brand new album (fat boy slim) purched for a friend who thoughtthe record was defective? . I heve no idea of the mechanics of aluminum sheets and a rubber sheet ( intuition) ,however it worked

[@thevinylattack]

I've been looking into air purifiers to reduce dust myself.

[@delightfuldigs]

Hey found it 👍🏻

[@lauher21]

Would you recommend using a brush? Do you use one every play?

[@thevinylattack]

I do dust my records with a brush on every play.

[@terryroyer1369]

How long do you think these brushes last and when would you replace them? I these these videos.

[@thevinylattack]

I've had my gold brush by Audioquest for a couple of years now and it does a fine job of dusting records. I suppose if you notice some deformation in the bristles or if the brush simply isn't doing a good job of removing dust, it'd be a good time to replace it. I wouldn't imagine it would be all too often though. Maybe once every few years depending on your usage.

[@terryroyer1369]

@@thevinylattack Thanks very much for your quick response and insight.

[@thevinylattack]

@@terryroyer1369 Happy to help.

[@everettdawn7811]

Seeing people on forums saying carbon fiber brushes can scratch vinyl. Is this true?

[@thevinylattack]

Absolutely. If you apply too much force, or the bristles are stiff enough.

[@rickmilam413]

I've been an Audioquest dealer for almost 30 years. I have to confess that I never even considered the possibility of them actually removing static. Their purpose, in my view, is to remove dust without creating static. I find they are at best, marginal in that regard, mainly redistributing it. New out of the box they seem to work reasonably well but not for long. However there is a slightly tacky sensation when they're brand new. Tacky is one of my strengths so I devised an idea which seems to work. I use the Destat for the static issue but keep one of those travel size lint rollers at hand. You know the ones with the sticky tape on them that you tear off when it ages. With a brand new sheet I roll in on a very clean countertop a bit to remove the most extreme adhesiveness. Then I take the carbon brush and very lightly "flick" the fibers against the sticky material. This removes almost all of the visible dust, even under my 4K scanner (I'm visually impaired but this is handy). On a high resolution system I've heard no negative (no pun intended) effects. It seems to both remove existing particles from the brush and actually pick up dust from the record without leaving a residue. My two cents worth. Change available...

[@Stormhawk777]

2:35 You've done it?? You've found where the Grunk resides??!

[@MD-wk3gj]

It is said that the Buddha shared his insights to those with “little dust in their eyes”. I am now curious what brush or fancy gadget he used. Could it be bodhi leaves from the trees? 🤔 how to get bodhi leaves to Chris. Should we sit in lotus position with our legs crossed and chant over vinyl? Thanks for your continued dusting Chris. It’s entertaining and helpful.

[@rodrogers7553]

How would a cork platter mat affect the results?

[@thevinylattack]

With a brush? Not at all. Brushes simply don't eliminate static.

[@hifitommy]

i never found the brushes to be effective on static. for dust removal, yes. i allow the disc to spin past the brush, held so that the bristles are certainly in contact with the grooves, for about 2-3 spins. then without varying the pressure, sweep of to the outside. static isn't a problem on the tt, but after the disc is removed, it is sometimes ALIVE with static. that's when i use the Zerostat just prior to placing the LP back in the jacket. that prevents the dust from being attracted into the grooves while being stored in the sleeve. when zerostat first came out, they recommended a sensitive magnetometer to measure the static. almost nobody bought them and i haven't seen them since. i still have my original Zstats, an original white and the later red.. i use them both to this day about 35 years later. the brush i am about to buy is the Ortofon carbon fiber that has a more ergonomic handle to hold while sweeping the record. they are about $35. your video is great for the beginner and the measurements you took and recorded all seem sound scientifically. it's too bad you didn't put links up for each of the products you used including your measuring tool. this kind of instruction wasn;t available when Zstat and the Decca brush (the original carbon fiber brush) came out so it is much appreciated. ...hifitommy

[@thevinylattack]

I don't really think people have any trouble finding carbon fiber brushes for sale. The anti stat meter is pretty expensive and I found mine used, but in exceptional state. It's not something you'd really buy just to have laying around at their price point.

[@hifitommy]

@@thevinylattack ...the carbon fiber brushes aren't all created equal. i bought mine from radio shack back in the day because it had the finer more numerous bristles like the original Decca Brush unlike some of the others. i haven't actually compared the aq or the new aq to this but i love my RS brush. it will be interesting to see the ortofon brush, the handle is ever so much more ergonomic than the others. ...hifitommy

[@anthonyfrancis2374]

Im not sure we have static in the UK like you do in the US, its a bit damp here. I have used a milty twin track brush with the red velveteen bottom for over 25 years if I need a clean with my Technics 1210's and just put the record on the deck and play at 45rpm and lower gently onto the record and get on with a variety of activities? I have never thought about static? I make my own record cleaner with around 80% DI water,19% Isopropanol and a droplet of washing up liquid as a wetting agent or If i can get hold of 35mm/120mm B&W Film rinsing agent if I need to clean. Just looked at my Milty and it looks threadbare and bit punky so will be replacing soon or will be keeping for those MC5 Stooges moments. Obviously you love cleaning maybe you'd like to chat about cleaning your cartridge.

[@thevinylattack]

With the US being so much bigger than the UK, we have many more climates to consider and static is certainly prevalent especially in the arid parts. I'm glad someone doesn't have to deal with it, lol. I'm looking at a stylus cleaning video, but I need to pick up a good microscope first to show the details. Hopefully soon.

[@anthonyfrancis2374]

@@thevinylattack Do you think that because the electricity in the U.K. runs at 240v and the decks are externally earthed this helps to eliminate static when the record is on the deck? Does that sound plausible? Or is purely atmospheric?

[@thevinylattack]

@@anthonyfrancis2374 I don't think voltage has anything to do with it.

[@anthonyfrancis2374]

@@thevinylattack A portable ioniser might do the trick apparently. I grew up in Wales where it was so damp even the damp has its own damp. You might worry about negative ions we were worried about the rotting sleeves.

[@carloscardenas6767]

What if you use an electric static discharge wrist strap?

[@thevinylattack]

I did. It was connected to my ankle.

[@danender5555]

I always considered a record brush to be a tool that is useful in removing dust and mechanical dirt from the record surface and its grooves. In my experience, carbon fiber brush is unable to deal with a static charge on the record. Milty ZeroStat and air ionizer for static charge, because they were made for the purpose.

[@thevinylattack]

You're spot on.

[@ColocasiaCorm]

It seems the record has almost no static when on the turntable. So what benefit does the destat have??

[@thevinylattack]

The static moves into the table which affects the sensitive electronics. Then moves right back to the record as its lifted. This causes unwanted noise.

[@ColocasiaCorm]

@@thevinylattack that sounds like a claim i would love to watch you test!!! Make the record as statically charged as possible vs totally destat.

[@thevinylattack]

@@ColocasiaCorm I don't know how exciting it would be to listen to a record full of pops and clicks get treated and then have none (or far fewer) afterward. It'd be a short video, that's for sure, lol.

[@ColocasiaCorm]

@@thevinylattack i am also curious about those tracking antistatic brushes that look like a second tonearm. any way you could test those with your electroscope?

[@thevinylattack]

@@ColocasiaCorm It's definitely on my list.

[@blakemeding7917]

Try a grounded brush. I my experience if I don't touch a ground when using a brush it dose nothing. I know there are several types of grounded brushes on the market. (I've never tried them)

[@thevinylattack]

It's on my list to test.

[@madmexican2801]

Have you tested acrylic platters?

[@thevinylattack]

Platters do fine. Platter mats, not so much...

[@marcopolov673]

@TheVinylAttack I brush my record on both sides with an anti-static Matt on a microfiber mat before placing it on the turntable. Does anybody else do this? After watching your videos, I also now make sure I myself am grounded when I do this

[@thevinylattack]

These days I just treat static with the Destat while holding the record. I'm seeing excellent results so I'll probably stick with it.

[@richardcline1337]

What this test did show me is that my Technics is probably a much better source of static elimination than any of the brushes being sold for that purpose. Have you heard of the one about using Downy or similar branded dryer sheets to wipe the records to remove static?

[@thevinylattack]

I've heard about it, I haven't gotten around to trying it yet. Soon I hope.

[@astheworldburns3590]

Dryer sheets ftw!

[@thevinylattack]

I've heard it works, but have yet to test it. I'll need to put it on my short list.