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[@stan8252]

Yea they coming for my boy Kurt smh…I can already see it now. PSA will have “their” own version of Kurt’s card care kit that they have sanctioned as “safe”

[@area51sea]

PSA ceo said the grader will beable to smell Kurt’s care wax. PSA will train the graders like drug sniffing airport dogs to Sus out if Kurt’s care wax was applied. If the grader detects Kurt care wax he will start barking and scratching at the card to signal he smells wax.

[@kcgold8933]

😂❤

[@user-px6ib8uk3x]

I’ve never heard of such a more correct thing 😂

[@thegoodybarn9060]

Lmao LAX needs to hire them

[@shanewhitaker8768]

The biggest problem i see is that a big part of our hobby is searching for an buying raw cards that you think will grade well and then sending them for grading. Either for PC or resale. A raw card may change hands several times before being graded. If PSA starts marking cards altered that have been bought in good faith, it’ll start to scare collectors away from doing that.

[@Axle3369]

Read my comment because I don’t think anyone is using these chemicals on cards they intend to keep or not grade. I may be wrong but i hope I’m not. If someone cared about the money so much to buy the crap (it’s not cheap) then I would suspect they would be grading and flipping the card if it wasn’t detected.? Idk 🤷🏽‍♂️ just a guess

[@transamdude95]

PSA needs to decertify the 1/1 black Wemby prizm if this is their stance. It was confirmed and gloated about that Kurt's Card Care was used for that card before submitting. I guarantee the black shimmer also used their products.

[@scentualobsessions]

PSA needs to work on their grading skills. Tell them quit, rolling the dice and picking a number.

[@TheCardKid10]

😂

[@shawnklunk556]

Definitely. I've seen 10s that shouldn't even be 9s

[@johnwaynecollection]

Thats what happens when you dont upload a grading report or sub-grades to certifications. Fine, dont change the label, but the cert # should have the report. I should be able to tell the difference between the same three PSA 9's on the same card. But you cant. If I prioritize Centering over Surface issues.....as a collector, I should be able to pick out the card that have the sub-grades I prefer. I actually have no idea why people like PSA so much. They seem average to me for what you get.

[@shawnklunk556]

Look at restoration methods used by art collectors.

[@johnwaynecollection]

@@shawnklunk556 I agree exactly. People do restorations on million dollar pieces. There’s nothing wrong with it

[@user-oo2dh8wd3x]

All I do is wipe with a micro fiber cloth and get 10’s easily

[@KingABfromPtown]

If not scratched, this is literally all you need to do 🙌👍

[@802Projects]

PSA is already taking high quality photos of cards after grading. They should just change their money back guarantee clause to exclude cards that don't match their photos. This way if a cleaned stain comes back, or scratches re-appear they are not ok the hook. Future buyers on the secondary market can reference pics if a card looks overgraded and make buying decisions themselves.

[@benjamin8805]

I’m interested in when PSA has ever paid out on the “grade guarantee” or else this whole argument is worthless.

[@counterproof]

It never ceases to amaze me the differences between comic book and card collecting. Comic book cleaning is standard practice. I wonder where CGC stands on card cleaning since they have no problem with cleaning comic books.

[@shanewhitaker8768]

I’m talking about a person that goes to a show and buys a card from a dealer. That card may have been through 3 sets of hands before they bought it. Who knows what’s happened in that time. If this person bought it to grade and didn’t know it had been cleaned, what happens when osa grades it altered? That’s going to scare people away from buying raw cards period to have them graded.

[@timothysaludo1715]

That's exactly right and how it should be. No different than trimming. Someone buys a card in good faith raw but it was trimmed many years and hands ago. PSA detects it's trimmed and graded it appropriately. If you want to be guaranteed, buy an already graded card.

[@paulmichaels3655]

PSA just jealous they didn't think of card cleaning as part of their overall scam

[@JeezyKeen]

exactly. and geoff wilson acting like “oh the juice or the spray or whatever”…. i guarantee geoffys on his client list

[@mikerukavina4551]

Wiping fingerprints off of a chome card is a bit different than soaking a freakin card in a solution. So yes. That should've be allowed.

[@Closfiiig]

But the wemby 1/1 that was cleaned is still active. Thank god that bgs is now even cheaper quicker

[@theeasterbunny8308]

BGS is gunna make a comeback 📈

[@catdaddy2643]

@@theeasterbunny8308don’t call it comeback been here for years

[@edwardwiley9597]

Wow, i did not know the extent to how people use crazy methods of cleaning cards, i retracted my comment on why card cleaning would'nt be bad, but i was just thinking about wiping fingerprints off and dust that was it, not these crazy extreme methods everyone explained, i think would be going beyond cleaning , more like altering. Thank you Geoff, sci team and psa for opening up my eyes on what to look at for and being careful about your purchases for buyers and sellers.

[@ericsmits8220]

Instead of screaming at card cleaners, how about we hold manufacturers of cards like panini and topps responsible to have better quality control so you don't have to consider cleaning a card that comes from a box that costs a $1000 or more.

[@1stBowman]

On that side of the floor we have the authentication section of our grading team, over there are the encapsulators and just over there are the 'sniffers'.

[@johnrusselman1364]

If it's 3am and you need sleep I highly recommend this interview with the PSA guy...

[@rhysorourke6164]

The least believable statement in the history of the Internet is "we are on the hook." Followed by t-pott and doug saying that made sense. Come on. No one on earth thinks that PSA would ever pay a dime in a situation like that. Zero chance.

[@KingABfromPtown]

I agree with psa... no matter what change happens, changing a card from being 1 way to another wether cleaned or not, it's called altering it it's been changed lol

[@billyworks3702]

Unless common people can detect if this stuff is done on raw cards at shows and eBay. This either won’t happen, or cripple the hobby beyond repair

[@thehobbyist1]

What happens to a non-waxed card in a PSA 10 holder that has become faded from UV rays? Will that trigger compensation from PSA's guarantee, since it will no longer be a 10?

[@johnwaynecollection]

That’s exactly why they grade based off the fees. To compensate bad grades. I would say yes based off the logic the President of PSA said in Geoff’s Podcast. That’s exactly why we pay a percentage off the value of the card and not just a fee. Extra money goes into a fund for these type of guarantees.

[@swizzle1199]

Don’t be a dumbass & leave your card in the sun… yall are morons now

[@plb3733]

Store looks empty

[@Noname-eg6xm]

😂😂😂😂

[@user-oo2dh8wd3x]

Like a blockbuster video store from the 2000’s

[@wesmasterson3660]

Kurt has posted numerous cards in the past that he's cleaned years ago and they still look perfect. If backyard breaks had a cleaning kit they sold or Jeff I'm sure psa would endorse it. I would be willing to bet in the near future one of these big influencers will come out with a product that's partnered with psa.

[@danielbrisch5029]

Great news, card cleaning is nothing but altering!

[@kevinku7948]

does it mean a card wont turn yellowish without card cleaning solution in a PSA10 slab. Is the PSA acrylic slab UV protected for the next 10 years? haha

[@baseballbrownie2628]

The Mona Lisa was Cleaned by Kurt's cards and at Close Inspection has Cracks throughout PSA considered the Painting as Altered😂

[@JackCecil]

Also how about sun fading. A psa 10 thats faded isn’t still a 10 is it?

[@rhysorourke6164]

Great point. And PSA offers slabs with zero UV protection. But they really care,? Sure.

[@JackCecil]

@@rhysorourke6164 all these cards shops i see, have slabs out in the open getting hammered by sunlight daily. In a few months they fade, no way on earth I’m buying a PSA 10 that looks like it’s been to Cancun ten times.

[@bradculp-pv2xo]

It is crazy how this is going. I get the point of wiping a card off to get the surface dust but what’s gonna happen if I buy a card at a show do I gotta smell it and test it before I buy it because I don’t know what other people have done it and now I’m gonna be held accountable when I send it to PSA.

[@timothysaludo1715]

Yes. How do you detect trimming? You try and look for it.

[@duewhit310]

You people are in denial. You are not collectors, you're gamblers. If you are a Jabs, you're a hoarder too.

[@chrisc9997]

PSA also let a 1 of 1 Victor Wembanyama out the door with a 10 after the dude gave a shout out to Kurt's card care in THEIR LOBBY!!!

[@maxwaxpax]

Listen, it is simple. PSA can put out a disclaimer and take a high-def pic of the cards (front and back) and the disclaimer can simply state that PSA does not protect against chemical breakdown due to cleaning etc. So long as the original pic is there, the liability would not be on them. The other thing - are they now saying that if they start checking and they don't catch one, they will be on the hook for it? I doubt it. So why not just make the disclaimer and move on. They cannot catch everything. They need to focus on grading and grading properly. The rest is what it is.

[@bigbizbigbiz6379]

PSA is probably going to release their own (exact same) cleaning product, and force us to buy that instead lol.

[@swizzle1199]

Force you? Lmao they gonna take your credit card & buy it?

[@bigbizbigbiz6379]

@@swizzle1199 I won't be buying any of it, as I believe grading is overrated for people like me who pc. You know what I mean though. If PSA sees an opportunity to steal the cleaning market, they will absolutely jump on that opportunity, even if that comes by way of hypocritically denouncing the practice as they do so.

[@Gotoyzforsale]

PSA is gonna make Kurt head of their card cleaning operations and just put their name on his product.😂

[@ratedRamsey]

Comic collectors all keeping quiet and they're heads down.... If you do something without any evidence left behind. You're good. Priceless art is cleaned

[@lilrjswag]

The thing is cgc, approves of cleaning comics, an I believe they offer cleaning. Psa is just a joke

[@markstein1916]

PSA sucks. Their stance against cleaning is admirable but their grading is horribly inconsistent, and they cannot detect actual alteration. And their turnaround times are a joke.

[@mikegagliardi7916]

This was one of your better videos. I enjoyed it

[@DannyL87]

Psa answer is perfect cuz I've wondered if the stuff comes back

[@getschwifty8449]

I understand PSA or other card carding concern. However, just like in comicbook collecting instead of sending the cards back they should put altered (when comicbooks have been restored they have a red label) on the card and a notice or letter stating this card has been altered and voids the lifetime guarantee of being perfect 10 or lower.

[@Billionaireben]

If a kid writes on it, 10 years later it's 'MK' and not 'altered.' If a card gets worn, it's the lower grade; but it's not altered. If there's a foreign substance on the card that may degrade it, then it shouldn't be slabbed. I saw a 54 Topps Gordie Howe that was burned in a fire (I forgot to bid, went for $75 lol.) I'd rather be allowed to send it to a paper restoration company and have it restored like a piece of art and have a 'restored' number grade, rather than 'altered or even refusing to slab it (if a card is rebuilt, some have said that would be illegal; I think it should simply be disclosed on the label.) PSA could hire art restorers and offer that service. Coin graders consider cleaning a bad thing, personally I don't care; one would polish silverware (why not silver coins.)

[@1stBowman]

There's a clip in the sequel to the movie Silence of the Lambs( Hannibal) where experts are holding a piece of paper with tweezers up to their noses trying to detect the presence of certain substances. It's a fun thought - a room full of graders, tweezers in hand, sniffing cards.

[@henrys3629]

The circle of grading comes back. Any time something happens, people will have to re-submit their cards. Ha-Ha. re-surface. Good one.

[@tklimson]

How dumb can someone be to try "clean" a card to trick PSA. You don't think they use microscopes to detect micro cleaning to hid a defect? "Sanding it down" will surely trick them. LOL

[@coolbydefault]

LOL THE THUMBNAIL OF THIS VIDEO !! HAHAHAH 🤣🤣🤣🤣 CLASSIC!!

[@mikerukavina4551]

I thought the same

[@davidspahr3393]

I love the show but can you tell Doug to at least iron his shirt before the show. 😂

[@ivanaytor93]

I have no issue with cleaning/restoring cards if the restoration is disclosed to potential buyers.

[@johnwayne9828]

There in lies the dilemma.....because the people doing this WILL NOT disclose the cards that have been soaked because all they care about is profit. That's why all the comments about preservation and all that go out the window, because the people doing it arent doing it to "preserve historical documents", they're doing it to sucker a few more dollars out of an unsuspecting collector. If.given a choice, they know a collector would always choose a card that hasn't been cleaned vs one that has been messed with. That's why they will never disclose.

[@groundzero270]

PSA we don’t know what happens. Early chrome turning green are they buying back manufacturing issues as well?

[@Star-Collector70]

The BIG KEY use black light on your cards for any residue

[@thegoodybarn9060]

There is literally no way to detect it. You're good guys. Keep cleaning .

[@nvrslippn]

BGS has definitely worked on grading ... getting them sent out faster. Out of 30 cards I expected maybe 1 (10) - got about 8 (9.5). Tell ya what based on OCD and being a perfectionist I agree with these grades. If 2 or even 5 or more came back at 10 from PSA .... yeah I'd be happy because of money. But, based on their honesty tarnishing my HONESTY I have a problem with that.

[@ACollectorsDream]

I purchased soaked card gone bad. Shared it and taking it to PSA at national

[@LOLandLimerick]

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[@soggysocks_7]

What is this show called?

[@gcarcerano]

How about PSA gets a cleaning kit from Kurt. Does some cleaning on cards. Take the cards, do some high tech advanced aging on them and determine if there's long term negative results. If not, let it be. Simple as that. Game over

[@southerncalicards]

really tasteless of tpot to call people haters simply because they don't agree with him.

[@corystanberry685]

Scammers. Hit a Nolan Ryan auto /10 and /25 in a break and was not sent the cards. SCAMMERS

[@SpursCards21]

Mom’s pulling their kids when they see Doug in the store. Might as well be wearing a wife-beater 😂

[@JackCecil]

Dirty cards are clean cards. Just with dirt. This thumbnail has me SENT. 😅

[@1stBowman]

Perhaps PSA could train some dogs to sniff out Kurt's products.

[@Hockeycardsplus]

They are going to denounce Kurt untill they or fanatics develops a card cleaner and says theirs is better

[@tenaciousdean]

It’s BS for some of us doing it right. I feel Iike too many idiots that are greedy in this. Idiots are ruining the hobby

[@CoreySAnthony93]

Why dont they do better prices?! If you send in 20 cards, it should be, like, $15 per card or cheaper. I wish there was a movement to not use PSA by a bunch of prominent people. When everyone stops using them for a couple months, they will drop their prices.

[@chadguell9193]

I understand the logic behind what will a card look like in 20 years however I disagree because there is no way a psa 10 from 20 years ago would grade a 10 now so that argument holds no water with me

[@1997CARDSxx]

What they need to do is get a little Kurt’s Card Carr detection doggy 🐶 that would be so freaking adorable and also super hilarious! Give the pup a vest and everything

[@chrisbootslee]

Seriously. They need to focus on being consistent in their grading , first and foremost .

[@wheelcalls]

if i leave a psa 10 card in the sun for a month, the card will be altered too in the psa holder. do i get my money back?

[@swizzle1199]

You don’t get your money back for being a dumbass

[@awesomelara10]

haha is your thumbnail the Mr clean guy😂

[@stevegallagher2199]

Imo Psa is only against this since they can not profit from it. If I remember correctly, psa was okay and part of a huge trimming scandal. Also the response to what if years down the road card is damaged? Guess what psa holders currently dmaage cards over time. I had a mike Schmidt rc that chipped big time over time, and it was an 8 and now won't even grade a 1 or 2 at best.

[@TITLECITYSPORTS.]

THEY MAY PUT RESTORED ON THEY LABEL

[@hughanderson8420]

Foreign substance? Who decides what's foreign? There are plenty of other great Grading companies guys, especially ones who don't charge you extra because your cards worth more. Sounds like psa just wants another way to give you an authentic label

[@Wicky952]

Gotta pre cut the corners on the penny sleeves, card shells running laps

[@AnthonyGripshover]

I have many chrome cards, and stadium club cards from the early 2000’s that are in PSA slabs that have developed “oxidation”. These cards were slapped long before cleaning was a thing. If some of these new cards develop the same problem in 10 or 15 years I think everyone will be quick to blame “cleaning” instead of natural causes. I have also sent these dirty cards that are in PSA slabs to get reholdered and the dirty cards came back looking brand new with no trace of the oxidation on it. I’m guessing PSA had to use something to get that film off because it definitely takes more than hot breath and a microfiber to remove it. Just something to think about before blaming all long term effects on cleaning.

[@timramosschool]

Now we have a problem. With what was put out by PSA makes some sense. BUT, this may be the end of the selling of RAW cards. Which a lot of people like. But you can’t tell if it’s been cleaned then you sell to someone who grades it. They get screwed. Doesn’t make sense.

[@timothysaludo1715]

It makes perfect sense. It's no different than trimming. You have to learn to detect it. If you want an absolute 100% guarantee, buy a graded card. There is ALWAYS a risk buying a raw card and having it graded.

[@BenDMitchell]

Why is there never hockey talk?

[@user-wn2iy2bt4m]

Have you thought about having Kurt on discuss his side? His wax doesn’t fill in scratches it’s not like a puddy.

[@paulsantos7358]

Yet the top graded T206 Honus Wagner sitting in a PSA holder which was admittedly trimmed, has not be deactivated. Please explain that..

[@fpsculture]

PSA can’t even grade the exact same card a 10 on two separate submissions that are several months Apart. So there’s no validity behind the “what will happen to the card graded a 10…5-15 years from now.” Just PSA trying to control the market. Will never sub to PSA again.

[@dawnbols2468]

Now I have to worry about buying raw cards. How am I suppose to know if the card has wax on it?

[@johnwayne9828]

Thanks to kurt and the covid noobs, you wont.

[@chinering23]

It will be oily / waxy on the surface, residue.

[@timothysaludo1715]

Ummm, you've ALWAYS had to worry about buying raw cards. Trimming has been a thing forever. So have fakes. You have to learn to detect it. If you want a guarantee, buy the card graded.

[@ChristianHQ-ve6jf]

Great stuff

[@matthewbeatty5472]

What you influencers are forgetting. What about the industry of purchasing of raw cards and not knowing if the person or persons who owned the card before used card cleaning solution on it before selling it. Then you want get the card graded and now PSA detects cleaning products. You influencers and PSA better watch out what you are doing to the industry before you ruin it.

[@florenciohernandezjr.2556]

PSA is a joke. Sports cards are collectibles, pieces of art even. Museums have whole departments dedicated to art restoration and use chemicals. PSA just wants a piece of the profits.

[@floridamaddogg]

Card cleaning and soaking cards in Kurt's juice is the real joke. PSA needs to crack down on cards that get soaked in the juice so I'm glad to hear they are working on it.

[@florenciohernandezjr.2556]

@@floridamaddogg card cleaning is the real joke…what a crazy statement

[@saucypulls]

What psa guy said is true I agree with psa 💯

[@CrescentCityCollectibles]

What about holding their employees accountable for more consistent grading.

[@Buster_Chestnut]

Sorry Doug, but I think T-Pott has the right idea. I see the QB/WR "handcuff" will greatly enhance player prices during and immediately after the draft.

[@maliburamos3332]

Now it’s cleaned cards too. I can’t smell Kurt’s card care on a card. So are they gonna teach us how to detect it or just keep letting people send them in and charging for nothing.

[@TroyBrothers-sp8yr]

forget psa we need a better grading card company

[@iparxo]

How about asking and finding why does PSA charge commission on top of the fee to get card graded cause it came back as a 10. That should have been a priority question. But we guess no point of PSA giving out 10 left and right if they not going to get a piece of the pie.

[@bubblesnz1059]

oooh damn those bcw storage things look incredible!! however just like their current offerings they really need to step up their distribution and manufacturing game. So many of their products that I want to buy, but theyre just never available.

[@bubblesnz1059]

actually at $100.... yea nah, thats about double what it should be if that

[@jordancruz9072]

its utterly stupid for PSA to waste reources on this nonsense when they could be focusing on decreasing turn around time, also when cards come in the pack with stuff on them its insane to not allow collectors to clean them

[@catdaddy2643]

Jeff should cut hair like thumbnail

[@rmscollects]

Honestly, I am totally fine with restoring these old vintage card’s especially like the Jackie Robinson as I see them as an historical collectible. I think an indication of restoration on the label would suffice if card is graded. They clean, restore and preserve historical US documents why not do the same for this historical vintage cards to preserve and enjoy them for many more decades to come.

[@user-ig3kn2ly2x]

Excellent comment. Never even thought of the concept of Restoration. Very well thought of. Thank you ✌

[@Hockeycardsplus]

Go to sports card live with Jeremy Lee, he just did a 2 hour interview with Kurt of Kurt's card care

[@BenjaminsDebt]

Some psa grades themselves are wrong. Ive seen cards grade 10 that clearly look like it should be a 9 or 8.

[@tenaciousdean]

No keep card raw. BS for you to say that wilson

[@user-wn2iy2bt4m]

So how does it work for the thousands of cards likely already cleaned and got 10s?

[@saltyvillecards]

It’ll mess up buying. Imagine buying cards that were “altered “ and sending in yourself cause you didn’t know

[@johnwayne9828]

That's because sellers dont want to be honest about what cards theyve altered or havent. They whine because they want the hobby to okay with cleaning as a common practice but then in the same breath they want to do it in the shadows and not be open about what they're doing it to. I've seen so many "its preservation" comments that are bs. The people doing it are not trying to preserve a focument, they're trying to squeeze more money out of unsuspecting collectors.

[@user-oo2dh8wd3x]

Kyler Murray will never see any increase in prices

[@Moen_The_Mad_Hatter]

This is what’s gonna happen within the next six months PSA is going to come out with a cleaning kit that they can identify easily on the card. And if you don’t use it, it’s going to be viewed as altered. They only wanna lock down the market.

[@johnwayne9828]

😂😂😂or maybe, just maybe, the hobby is course correcting and going back to the standard we had before all you covid noobs came on and nearly destroyed this hobby. The idea of soaking cards has always been the biggest no no in cards until you moronic grifters arrived.

[@iBangADrum]

Webenyama total market cap includes no autos... In prizm or any other flagship rookie. That money has to go somewhere.... Victor's big prizm cards will be constant record breakers. What big rookie has no autos... Especially this big.

[@chrisrhome6638]

PSA is ruining it's credibility. No half grades? No subgrades? They're not pushing things forward, they're holding things back

[@sabinoruiz2080]

I just will not sent my cards to be graded by PSA. They are a bunch of crooks they give perferrd customers great grades and other what ever grades

[@62817]

TALKING POINT For NEXT WEEK: Caitlin Clark! will she make cards be a real thing for WNBA? I wouldn't be surprised if her cards for prizm go for more then any upcoming rook in the NBA. How much will WNBA PRIZM product be??? I have a feeling that this is the year womans pro basketball gets a hugeboost!

[@maliburamos3332]

If PSA does this they will never get a card from me again. And if people were smart they wouldn’t send cards there either unless you pulled them out of pack yourself. Cause I ain’t paying the money they charge just to get taken. Like they did with my Pokémon cards. They use to not charge if card was not real. Now they charge either way cause they looked at it.

[@cloud9cardcollections320]

So a subjective grading system is going to use a subjective evaluation system to detect if a card has been altered but may be subjective whether or not substances are allowable…this is such BS. Time to just move to automated grading where AI tech can eliminate human error.