Leading Broken Churches with Jon Chasteen

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@raymondgregory 7 ай бұрын

I’m 4 months in as a “re-leader.” Took a lead pastor position at a church that is going through much of what is said here. Great convo. Thank you

@CareyNieuwhof 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for taking on this position. Cheering for you!

@MynorMartinez-rn4ky 6 ай бұрын

as a millennial "re-leader" that took a church where the previous leadership really left people gutted...I deeply appreciate this conversation. It has given me so much language

@CareyNieuwhof 6 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful, thanks for watching

@russelldixon10 6 ай бұрын

So thankful for this conversation! 3 years into serving as a Lead Pastor after taking over a church that was in decline. Some differences in that our previous pastor is an incredible man and lives with incredible integrity, but still a lot of things I am working through today involve striving to change culture. Thanks for this Carey!

@discipleprojectoutreach 7 ай бұрын

Lots of great insight here. Thanks Carey and Jon.

@CareyNieuwhof 7 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching

@robbymyrick 7 ай бұрын

Jon is reading my mail!! I've done this SO many times over 40 years

@CareyNieuwhof 6 ай бұрын

You're not alone, that's for sure

@garykingsbury4758 7 ай бұрын

Love the God of the “or!” He can do the impossible, if we are faithful and persistent. Life is a marathon, not a sprint, applies to almost everything in life. I love honoring someone who has made a mistake because we are all sinners, and honoring doesn’t mean trusting.

@grantmaclaughlan2668 6 ай бұрын

This is a word in season

@MeriAnne-lp1ok 6 ай бұрын

Such a good episode! I don't think Brady Boyd "honored" Ted Haggard; to do so could have been a death knell due to so many people feeling betrayed. Rather, to my knowledge, Brady never publicly spoke ill of Ted, and publicly acknowledged that he (Brady) was not the one who built the church from the ground up before he arrived. As time rolled out, many other issues came to light (as we see now with IHOP-KC), so "honoring" a fallen pastor is a tightrope walk that leaders should tread carefully.

@andrewfrancis5464 6 ай бұрын

I’ve thought about this conversation for a couple of weeks now. Overall it was great. Personally i feel it requires more discernment in regard to the ‘feces’ conversation. Not everyone who leaves your church should be considered ‘re-eating feces.’ In some instances I can see that applicable, maybe. In some instances however, not at all. Shouldn’t we look at more variables and discern why people are leaving? Are they leaving over church leadership problems? Are they leaving over distrust of church finances? God could be trying to show the church something and the church completely misses it.

@pkpapers 6 ай бұрын

"... teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you ..." Hugh? I thought he said "flatter me" and "talk about me," not "OBEY me?" Golly-gee.

@Isaiah54Victory 7 ай бұрын

Wow, really disappointed with the discussion just after the hour point of this interview. It definitely mirrors my experience with churches, but I don't see it as a mirror of God. Are you understanding "broken" in the context of the Kingdom of God? The devil breaks people in so many ways - health, trauma, disappointment, unemployment, etc. And excluding people forever more from leadership in churches because the devil has gotten to work breaking them at some point is not God's way of doing things. I think the church misses out on many people that God has spent years reclaiming and restoring because those people aren't "perennials" to use the word used in this interview. Those people could breathe such life back into the leadership of churches, especially since their hearts so badly want to bring in the lost. They were lost. They know how urgently the church should be seeking out others who are lost, but because they have had complicated lives they're not given the chance. I speak from experience - I have multiple diseases, a long history of failure and brokenness and I don't fit the church mold at all. The devil has made sure I struggle to be a "perennial". God has been working on me for years to reclaim and restore me, and God has done a very good job. But I've been discipled by God, not a church, so I don't fit in with church. I have little interest in traditions or "how things are supposed to be done." I only care about one thing - saving another lost person, because I was a lost person. I don't even care if people specifically come to church or not, I care if they follow Jesus. I know that Jesus can reclaim and restore them (the church can't do that). In my experience churches aren't willing to "let me in" because all I want to do is save lost people. And honestly, I don't think God is thrilled about that because He's put in a lot of effort into me and I want to help churches, but they don't want it. I love your podcast, but please be careful of limiting leadership to "perennials." I assure you God doesn't only use people who know how to "do things the way they're supposed to be done."

@earthybirds4952 7 ай бұрын

I get so perplexed, for why we lean into the phrase "Broken church or Broken People" why? Christ is the great redeemer and mender of hearts...churches are missing the Holy Spirit as the Head of decisions and choices...that's why many churches are "struggling". There may be some willful disobedience present. And it may not be The Pastor, but maybe there is tolerance of it somewhere. John Bevere talks about being intimidated by the sin within the congregations.