Carl and Mike: The other Beach Boys

[@MrBrutal33]

Mike Love is the Beach Boys version of an embarrassing old uncle

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[@randalclarke5487]

You're wrong- that's too easy... He was an essential part of their sound, just as important as Wilson on a lyric level. Love-bashing is passe', move forward amicably

[@christopher9152]

@@randalclarke5487 He was essential, but he was often an insufferable, arrogant douche. And he was not the genius that Brian Wilson was, something he seemed to never realize or accept.

[@kenrenee15]

Yes, the drunk, arrogant old uncle everyone hates to see coming.

[@cameronmac8928]

​@@randalclarke5487it's just a damn shame he couldn't sit and think for a moment, contemplate during his 'mediation' that he WAS and IS essential, and understand that is enough. He contributed lyrics, brilliant lead vocals in the early surf songs, and was absolutely essential to the harmonic structure with his incredible bass parts... Why couldn't that just be enough. If he'd just shut the fuck up he would be universally loved. Jealousy and money grubbing was his downfall, no doubt in my mind

[@bobbibaker4685]

When the late great David Crosby had a Twitter account, I asked him what he thought of Brian. "Wonderful musician and person."

[@mrsmacca126]

That’s so very nice to hear.❤❤❤❤❤

[@iamcasihart]

I love Carl as much as I love Denny and Brian. He had a quiet, grounded, beautiful warmth, charisma, and aura. That voice was so perfect! Carl is the ONLY reason Kokomo is even listenable. His vocals are so pretty and smooth! ♥️

[@mrsmacca126]

No one on Earth, ever, has loved and admired CARL DEAN WILSON,more than I. RIP, rock and roll angel.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@telophasemusic]

That HOF speech is such a drag. Mike just trashing all those other artists sucks man. That, and him swiping the microphone from Brian during his speech. What a jerk. Also rip Carl. Man had a voice of an angel

[@fshoaps]

Carl Wilson is one of the most underrated singers, guitar players, and songwriters in the history of rock and roll.

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[@bobbibaker4685]

He certainly was. A kind, gentle person as well.

[@petestaint8312]

Carl Wilson inspired me to take up the guitar. 😎

[@Mandrake591]

People love saying that. How can that be? Worldwide hits, floods of cash, and plenty of praise. What more could a musician ask for?

[@jokkergar]

​@@Mandrake591 i think the word underrated is really accurated, i mean have you seen Carl ever being mentioned among the greatest singers, by bbs fans for sure but by the general audience i haven't.

[@bobbibaker4685]

Carl was a conscientious objector during the Vietnam War.

[@js.3490]

GOOD!

[@radiomindchatter7994]

The brothers kept Mike around ...that was their mistake.

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[@bobbibaker4685]

Van Dyke Parks was homeless when he met Brian. Brian immediately got on the phone to Murry: "He's going to need a fully furnished apartment. And you need to put him on the payroll as of today, for $500 a week--" Then he looked at Van Dyke and asked, "Would that be enough?" ❤

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Always good to hear your input bobbibaker

[@bobbibaker4685]

Brian also told Murry Van Dyke would need a car. What a guy!

[@kens2328]

Nearly 40 years later and the second hand embarrassment overload of Love’s HOF speech/antics still makes me cover my eyes when watching it.

[@ClandestineRecords]

I love Beach Boys gossip

[@paulamiles9559]

Me too. I am sooo.glad me and my cousins and sibs aren't under such scrutiny. Everyone makes a fool.out of himself at one point but Mikey did it on camera so we can make fun of it at any time.

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[@rejectionisprotection4448]

Well there's plenty of it to be had.

[@cannyvalley]

My love for Brian and distaste for Mike doesn’t prevent me from acknowledging Love’s contributions vocally and on occasion lyrically as well. PS: Side notes😂

[@bobbibaker4685]

Shout out to Blondie Chaplin! He's still rocking out! And so is Al Jardine! ❤❤

[@impalaman9707]

Carl was the voice of reason and sanity in an otherwise erratic and egocentric band

[@randalclarke5487]

Not always... do some research, he wasn't always top notch, just saying there's a certain mythos surrounding Boys

[@1401minstrel]

@@randalclarke5487 Out of a 36 year career, Carl had just two years (1977 and 1978) where his performances ran from okay to iffy to a couple that were completely off the rails, due to personal and band problems, alcohol and drugs. In the other 34 years, his performances were top notch. Despite that, I believe @impalaman9707's statement is true. And I also believe he or she has done the research.

[@impalaman9707]

@@1401minstrel Thank you. Carl's humility, maturity, and work ethic were consistent for most of his years. He picked up the slack when others wouldn't. And Brian also said Carl had the best ear for music besides his own, and trusted his opinions completely

[@mrsmacca126]

No Wilson Brothers = NO BEACH BOYS.

[@boycompass7769]

Mike Love has always been the most unmitigated douche in all of modern music. I grew up with the Beach Boys and have always thought that of him.

[@mrsmacca126]

I don’t even dislike him, anymore. I just feel embarrassed and sorry for him. It must be agony to look back at his behavior at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony.

[@user-lj2my3vb3u]

I love how you slipped in all the jabs at mike, he really is a piece of work.

[@filmretrospective5334]

Its all in jest. I have nothing ole mike

[@user-lj2my3vb3u]

@@filmretrospective5334 that’s fair but the ways he has continually attacked Brian who with out a doubt has mental issues is really disappointing disgusting (not cursing would have used different words if not for abiding by the language mandate which is reasonable). Adding a sentence to a finished song from Brian should not give you 50% of the royalties. That’s why I think Mike is an awful person.

[@mrsmacca126]

@@user-lj2my3vb3unot to mention all 1,000 marriages. Yep- a real religious zealot.🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@Phoenixhunter157]

I’ve always wondered why Brian never kicked Mike out of the band . He was generous to not do so for all those years. He really tolerated him like the family member he was. That’s a rare quality.

[@joshsinclair1796]

This channel is exactly what I need right now! If you made a video on Al Jardine I could die the next day happily 😂

[@BA-vv4jy]

Mike Love will never have my sympathy. The dude's an egomaniac. And it's probably a front due to the fact that he wasn't as talented as his cousins.

[@michaellazzeri2069]

From the very 1st time I saw them, 8/64 in Denver at the old Downtown Auditorium Arena, Carl became my very favorite member of the group. From then, to 11/97, I saw The Beach Boys 25 times. And, in those times, it was Carl who I really came to see. Sadly, I missed his him during his solo years of late '80, to early '82. I really wish I had seen him when he was " solo" . In the summer of '76, when they came to Denver & the old Mile-High Stadium, I was lucky enough to get backstage for a few minutes, & meet Carl . He was incredibly gracious, we shook hands, & he asked me my favorite BB's song -------" DWB " -------& then he had to move on. it was less then 5 minutes, & unfortunately I forgot my camera, but it was a moment I'll never forget. ----------PS : i also saw DW with Karen Lamm----Wilson. She was a blonde babe, & every guy was staring at her. I could tell, DW loved the attention the 2 of them received. ------------------MJL< 76 y/o

[@lizcarlstrom7818]

Been a BB fan since 64. Didn't care for Mike then and still don't. It was all about the Wilsons and still is.

[@steveskouson9620]

Don't forget Alan. steve

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[@tereasacofield6109]

Wilson brothers r the beach boys i love them

[@mrsmacca126]

@@tereasacofield6109and Al Jardine❤

[@williamneillgross3926]

Well...never a dull moment with the Beach Boys. Baby, that is RocknRoll.

[@MichaeldeFilippi]

Mike and Carl were awesome. They got along very well.

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Love them

[@Mncrr]

Well Carl was. Not a fan of Mike love

[@johnmc3862]

Love was a complete Buffoon and still is!

[@1401minstrel]

Carl and Mike had rocky periods in their relationship, particularly in the 1970s.

[@mrsmacca126]

@@1401minstrelLive from Knebworth - case in point.

[@glennwlove]

Ricky and Blondie were from South Africa.

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[@oldermusiclover]

Mike is a good song writer and singer but is a pain in the neck now

[@jackthebassman1]

Carl had a voice from the gods (and I’m atheist)!

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He did

[@figmo397]

I love the sidenotes about Mike Love's five marriages. LOL! Carl Wilson grew up from being a pudgy kid to a major musician and consummate professional. It's so sad that lung cancer got him so young.

[@VanirTraditionalist]

Agreed on all points. Mike is a boob and Carl is a legend.

[@Jamescorrigan1]

I've seen a number of your videos and your work is so interesting 🤔. Thanks for all the effort you have put into these fantastic stores.

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So nice of you

[@normarutledge]

So glad this came out. The Beach Boys will never end & it’s my prayer that their children will carry on. Mike was right to say what he did at the hall of fame. They are the heart of a legacy born they are The Beach Boys will always be America’ s music forever. I’ve been here long enough it was Elvis, Temptations & The Beach Boys and no one can argue that. Don’t mess with American 🇺🇸 music

[@truthtransistorradio6716]

Mike Love's acceptance speech would have made him a good wrestling heel!

[@bwithrow011]

Mike Loves numerous marriages speaks volumes about the type of person he is behind closed doors, quite different from on stage

[@abt7217tc]

Brian marrying a child when he was an adult speaks volumes about him. Dennis marrying his cousin speaks volumes about him.

[@Phoenixhunter157]

@@abt7217tcany dirt on carl or Al 😂

[@durandaldevil]

Great video! And that’s not forget the infamous Baywatch episode!

[@davidaston5773]

@Film Retrospective Fantastic video. I love how you deliver and explore the focus of your videos. As a life long Beach Boy fan, the behind the scenes are sad to hear. I think anyone can understand the how and whys of the Wilson brothers and Mike Love's relationships. But, the clear jealously of Mike Love towards Brian is embarrassing. Yes, Mike has a point when it comes to wanting more credit for the writing of the many legendary songs. What I and so many dislike, IS HOW, he's gone about it. Mike Love is supposed to be into peace and harmony. Yet, his actions have prove otherwise. Carl Wilson deserved so much better from both the Beach Boys and the music industry. As with Dennis, he could've and SHOULD'VE become big in his own right. But, OF COURSE, if that happened Mike Love would've found more reasons to be bitter. David

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[@glennwlove]

Mike is an embarrassment

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[@johnmc3862]

Indeed. Imagine trying to be in a band with him.

[@michaelwandell2533]

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Stop! Is that a cigarette the all-perfect mike love is smoking at 8:37??

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I believe it is

[@neonfroot]

Everyobe smoked back then.

[@ght_1]

You forgot about Thump Wilson

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Love thump

[@rejectionisprotection4448]

Love the side notes: damning with (not so) faint shade😅😅😅😅😅

[@kc0lif]

mike love and carl wilson legendary.

[@normarutledge]

No Mike Love you’re not crazy, I love all of The Beach Boys. Best music in USA 🇺🇸I do miss Carl & Dennis but you all were the best in American music

[@bobbibaker4685]

Fun fact: Mike Love's nephew is NBA star Kevin Love.

[@MPM1620]

Could you imagine how nuts Mike Love would be if he never quit drinking?

[@doctorfeinstone6524]

So according to this, Mike was just as mentally unstable as Brian. He just hid it better

[@MPM1620]

Could you imagine how nuts Mike Love would be if he never quit drinking?

[@VanirTraditionalist]

Holland is a masterpiece thanks to Carl.

[@Chicago_Podcast_Authority]

“Side note” 😂

[@grassrootsorphanage]

Brilliant!!

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[@jeffdosch5738]

Side note: Good stuff. Crazy how disfunctional this band was

[@oldermusiclover]

Carl had such a wonderful voice. too bad he was a smoker, lost an older brother because of the same reason

[@figmo397]

Lost my paternal grandmother the same way. What they don't mention is how PAINFUL lung cancer is! Knowing that Carl toured while dealing with lung cancer and chemo makes me respect him as a consummate professional even more than I already did. I was lucky to get to see The Beach Boys in 1995, and they still sounded great.

[@bobbibaker4685]

I can't dislike Mike. In his way he has as many issues as Brian.

[@Phoenixhunter157]

Yeah, I can’t see him as being any more flawed than the other . They all had their faults and gifts. I think in later years his extrovertedness just made things more apparent for the audience. The rest just hid their issues slightly better for the most part

[@alanb287]

I hope people who have bought Beach Boys concert tickets since the end of the 50 year reunion tour knew it wasn't really the Beach Boys from that point forward. Or maybe better said, if they didn't know, they weren't true Beach Boys fans to begin with. To me the Beach Boys ended with Carl's death. On the other hand, Brian Wilson and his great band, and with Alan Jardine and Blondie Chaplin, exemplify the glory of The Beach Boys.

[@ronfowlermusic]

Brian is retired now.

[@mrsmacca126]

@@ronfowlermusicYes. His wife is recently deceased. 🙏 LOVE and MERCY.❤

[@drummer083]

As great as Brian Wilson is, without Mike's lyrics, those songs would never be as revered as they are today.

[@mrsmacca126]

A few songs

[@andrewashdown3541]

Mike Love - what can one say ?

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[@profanius66]

Maybe you mean John Phillips

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Yeah i realised that when i watched it back. Don't know why i said john Williams.

[@Chicago_Podcast_Authority]

You’re doing the dark lord’s work ❤

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Me too

[@qasanoba]

like because of Mike's rant guy's crazy

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Mikes great

[@MPM1620]

Could you imagine how nuts Mike Love would be if he never quit drinking?

[@h.markhorton8188]

Mike is both overrated ( in his mind) and underrated ( to the general public.)

[@filmretrospective5334]

Love mike

[@cannyvalley]

This is the correct answer. He is an absolute cad, but unfortunately that overshadows his legitimate contributions, vocally and even lyrically on occasion (his rewrite of Good Vibrations for example). I’m Team Brian all the way, but some credit is due to that idiot Mike.

[@chuckselvage3157]

Mike Love is a total dick.Carl was the secret weapon in the BB. Awesome voice. RIP.

[@qasanoba]

Mike's perfect pitch and Carl producing for Ricky Martin ROFLMAO ok my dude we got something here lol

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[@JoeBlow-fp5ng]

Mike had perfect pitch? I'd call it monotone. It worked when it worked within Brian Wilson's superb melodies but Mike's voice gets annoying quickly.

[@drummer083]

Carl produced Ricci (pronounced Ritchie) Martin, son of Dean and brother of his future wife, Gina.

[@johnmc3862]

Mike Love, the Donald Trump of front men.

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[@1401minstrel]

Bingo

[@tomthornton6259]

Haha rather appropriate, as he is a trump supporter! His band (using the beach boys name) played at some Trump rally or presidential event or whatever it was a few years back. Needless to say, it did't go down well with Brian and Al.

[@barrycuda3769]

How did the rest of the band avoid Vietnam?

[@daniel.holbrook]

Bruce allegedly got out by putting on skinny jeans, makeup and pretending to be gay

[@barrycuda3769]

@@daniel.holbrook That's dedication 'I'm not sure I could go that far.

[@nikokaapa]

@@barrycuda3769 Hmm, dressing in drag for half a day or potentially dying or at least life-long trauma. That sure is a tough pick…

[@barrycuda3769]

@@nikokaapa I think I'd have a go at being totally blind 'with a white cane and dark glasses.

[@nikokaapa]

@@barrycuda3769 That takes some acting skills I think :D

[@GuyFromWashingtonDC]

Lol mike is a funny dude

[@hobartw9770]

Who?

[@stevenhollingsworth733]

Even as a kid I never liked Mike love.

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[@NOWtheband]

Both good lads - Two of the nine heroes! 🙂

[@dr.zacharysmith1207]

Hero’s 😜

[@Floodland-bn3ol]

One of the greatest moments in rock was Mike Love flexing on and challenging all the "mop tops" during his HOF speech.

[@Monkforilla]

Such a beligerant and unprecedented terrible take from the king of terrible takes , Micheal Edward There’s a reason he’s hated

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[@JoeBlow-fp5ng]

What fame and money can do to people.

[@davidrice3337]

Greatest HOF speach ever - Jimi was spot on -

[@michaelclark4043]

Compared to the other hand members who had thick healthy growths of hair, Mike looked like a bald headed buzzard. 😢😮

[@brunningwolf]

Big mouth love zero

[@michaelclark4043]

Baldness must run in Mike's family,most likely hìs father's side. 😢😮

[@Noah1997callahan]

Carl “frowed” up from too many milkshakes

[@catatonic6729]

I know, i cant believe he slightly mispronounced a word.

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[@beandipcartography]

Leroy is still my favorite.

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[@normarutledge]

Don’t disrespect Mike we all have weirdness in us. I would pick Mike any day over Yoko Ono. We all have demons let it go enjoy the fact they are still around after 60 years how many groups are left even Mick Jagger was whacko at times

[@AprilShowers1955]

Don’t care for their involvement with the Maharishi at all. The Beatles had a negative influence on The Beach Boys by pulling them into meditations. This ruined both groups. When the Beatles left, The Beach Boys should have also. Mike has been married five times and the Maharishi years must have destroyed his marriages. Do not like that Mike tried to sue his cousin, Brian. Family should have been able to settle matters together out of court. The lives The Beach Boys were living certainly took a major toll on the music they could have written and produced. If they had continued living regular lives, there is no telling where their genius and creativity would have taken them. Just wish things had turned out differently.

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[@rejectionisprotection4448]

Rock n roll superstars do not live regular lives.

[@KittyPurrfect100]

Mike Love is a good frontman. He is the only in the group who can do that. Opinions don’t matter.

[@michaelclark4043]

Eugene Landy was a real FROOT LOOP as far as I'm concerned. 😢 😮

[@bryanbrian1234]

Mike Love should have punched Elton John in the face.

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[@canden-t7w]

Jesus Christ is real love,goodness,hope and the universal king !!. And yes the Biblical Jesus Christ is very much real.

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