Error in the video: the 4-speed hemi would have came with 3.54 gears stock, not 3.23.
@bman99ss2 жыл бұрын
And according to my very old Chilton manual, in '71 the hemi was rated at 425 gross / 375 net.
@360escapades2 жыл бұрын
Hopefully 1 day a 72 to 74 cuda shows up.
@rockngpa50942 жыл бұрын
And I thought all hemi’s came with 4:10s or 4:11 s bc any size smaller would blow out that rear axle from hemi power...
@markmcfarling Жыл бұрын
@rockngpa5094 how does that make sense? The lower the ratio the less torque is applied at a time.
@markmcfarling Жыл бұрын
Id love to see a 4spd GSX. Love the gold better than white or yellow. Ugh yellow sucks.
@jeffreybrandes8812 жыл бұрын
Back in 1974 I bought a 1971 Dodge Charger Super Bee. Red with a black vinyl roof, 440 six pack, automatic. With just a set of headers and torque converter upgrade; I was turning 12.9 in the quarter mile. This was with street tires and 3.54 gears inside the Dana 60 housing. I kept that car into the early 1980's. Great memories. Wish I still had it.
@briandungan5152 жыл бұрын
Love my Mopars but that Buick is a gentleman's hot rod for sure.
@adamtrombino1062 жыл бұрын
Great to see the owners' of 2 ultra rare cars not afraid to use them as intended!!! Nice races!!!
@michaelpease36792 жыл бұрын
I see that a lot. Folks with nice cars don't want to run them. You're right tho, it was awesome to see these guys tun their cars. I might need a cigarette
@johnwilkerson21952 жыл бұрын
I'm a Mopar man but I like the Buick both awesome cars!
@theycalledhimfred172 жыл бұрын
I new those 71 chargers were heavy but holy cow the buick! Glad the HEMI did us mopar fans proud.
@GH-el9ch2 жыл бұрын
Lol it running against a smog motor nothing to be proud of in that
@neilwhitmore2 жыл бұрын
@@GH-el9ch in stock class you're allowed to raise the compression and basically make it no longer a smog motor
@andrewp1998 Жыл бұрын
yup and the compression in a 71 hemi is lower than the 70 hemi so who know what both cars were pushing, the hemis win most of the time in the qrt @@neilwhitmore
@benjiarehart28782 жыл бұрын
Just love the styling of the Super Bee. Just a beautiful car i.m.o. Also, 0-60 in 5.7 seconds, and a 13.73 quarter is amazing considering its weight.
@charlesdalton9852 жыл бұрын
Hemi caught him on the big end - wow! A friend of mine had a 71 Charger (not a Super Bee), great car. But the GSX, 🤤. Great racing - as always - thank you!
@CarsAndZebras2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@jackmaple42072 жыл бұрын
Testament to the low compression 455 and what a great motor it is. Hemi should have done a lot better. Pick on someone your own size, “70”455 Stage 1.
@CarefulWithThatAxeEugene2 жыл бұрын
The debate has finally ended between me and my husband. He's a Mopar guy and I'm a GM chick. (But there's 2 Chevy's and a supercharged LeSabre in our driveway lol.) I told him I think a GSX can outrun a Roadrunner, he said no way lol. Well....I am disappointed, he is laughing. But still, no Mopar in the driveway, so I still win. 😂
@norristammislideshowmulgre8772 жыл бұрын
You need to listen to your husband. It's Mopar or no car.lol.
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised your husband hasnt found him a MOPAR gal yet so he can park it in her garage
@GH-el9ch2 жыл бұрын
Lol the Mopar is running against a de-tuned smog motor..it's nothing to be proud of..that said both cars should be proud for running mid 12s which never happened if they were stock both would be running mid 14s
@CarefulWithThatAxeEugene2 жыл бұрын
@@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman he's been here for 9 years, he ain't going nowhere. He likes driving the Iroc quite a bit, so he'll be okay.
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman2 жыл бұрын
@@CarefulWithThatAxeEugene For now until it gets old & boring but at least its not a shitstang...
@bw35062 жыл бұрын
Man oh man what rare ones we have today!! That come from behind win of that Dodge was something, I thought he was done for but guess he had a little extra loud pedal in reserve for such an occasion. That mph was legit. Buick is beautiful and definitely no slouch for it's year too. Thanks for the great vid!
@rodneybrand85212 жыл бұрын
I had no doubt about the Hemi...the buick did well too...but i like mopars..
@leedanner50712 жыл бұрын
Gotta love this, I'm thinking the hemi should have this one.
@howabouthetruth21572 жыл бұрын
Especially with the rear gearing in each car.
@cannarris2 жыл бұрын
It should have been a 70's GSX not a low compression one ..apples to oranges
@gunlubetv62972 жыл бұрын
@@cannarris Agreed, 1970 should have ran.
@kimmorrison91692 жыл бұрын
The Hemi advantage, they’ll reel you in on the top end with those big ass cylinder heads and 2x4 carbs. Air+fuel= horsepower!
@GH-el9ch2 жыл бұрын
....and high compression
@johndeeregreen45922 жыл бұрын
Rare and even rarer racing each other... NICE! I have only seen a couple 1971 Super Bees in my life... and I have been around Mopar my entire life.
@blackwisdom71517 ай бұрын
One of the best cars I owned was 66 Skylark with a buick 340 stroke to 401 engine !!! I chose to keep my 66 riv GS with a 465 wildcat !!! Parked in my garage today...
@Fleetwoodjohn2 жыл бұрын
That Buick was consistent! The HEMI came on strong all 3 times despite the Buick getting out first
@kimmorrison91692 жыл бұрын
good 4 speed operator and nice top end on that Hemi
@JBASH20112 жыл бұрын
Not surprised the hemi won- knew it would be a good race, but two of my absolute faves of the time and it was just a blast to hear 'em wind up. Both winners.
@DeanMk12 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid, there was a Saturday morning cartoon featuring Batman and Robin. The Batmobile in that cartoon was based on a '71 Dodge Charger! LOL! =D
@kvo55652 жыл бұрын
Glad to see ma mopar for the win. Every video should have a start and low idle drive by. That GSX souns good🤤
@robertwright54872 жыл бұрын
Welcome back! Missed your witty narrative!👍
@jayschmahl92062 жыл бұрын
Nice! Great race. Beautiful machine's. 😍
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman2 жыл бұрын
I was born & raised a MOPAR guy but its hard to not like the GSX - PEACE LOVE n HIPPYNESS ✌☮
@samspade8612 Жыл бұрын
Hats off the Buick, held it's ground despite the disadvantage. Both cars are well tuned, driven & beautiful.
@joehudson30722 жыл бұрын
You can always tune a hemi and make it run good but that Buick was amazing
@CarsAndZebras2 жыл бұрын
Both running very well that day 🤓
@galeaiken3841 Жыл бұрын
Buick should've shut the A/C off lol.
@CudaRebelsAutoModeling4262 жыл бұрын
Looks like the hemi took out the hemi killer, but with all do respect both cars were absolutely incredible! The Buick got him in that amazing hole shot, but that hemi just kept moving along! Another great race C&Z keep 'em coming!
@GH-el9ch2 жыл бұрын
That hemi and that hemi compression ratio..cr is the difference here
@CudaRebelsAutoModeling4262 жыл бұрын
Maybe so, but it really depends on who's driving. In some cases a 1970 GSX will take a win, but in some cases a 1970 Hemi car may win as well.
@andrewp1998 Жыл бұрын
7 or 8 out of 10 the hemis take then@@CudaRebelsAutoModeling426
@TrinityDestroyer2 жыл бұрын
I like the change to include more subtle jokes in yo ur script. I liked the change you made a few months ago to a more professional script, but having the occasional subtle adult reference is entertaining. Keep up the good work. 👍
@douglaslorin739 Жыл бұрын
This is a great video with some unbelievable cars!! Many have said the 70s were the beginning of the downturn of performance, but these cars show otherwise. A 4,200 lb car from 1972 running a 12 sec quarter, faster then a much lighter weight Camaro from a few years earlier is mind-boggling!!
@richellen68552 жыл бұрын
Dang what a great match up! That hemi just turns on when it needs to, though I like the ass kick Buick just as much.
@CarsAndZebras2 жыл бұрын
Definitely a great race!
@stevedriver14762 жыл бұрын
its easy to get another 75, 100 hp from a stock engine with a good pro build using the original factory parts that came as standard them cars ran good times and close to what they done new. beautifull racing, thanks. who needs nitro cars these are better. steve in australia.
@VIKING-SON2 жыл бұрын
That must have been a photo finish at the line to nose out the Buick especially from where you showed both cars at almost the end of the track. Like "Yikes and gee williger's"! Batman...
@68dart2 жыл бұрын
Awesome Race , Thanks C&Z
@rong41892 жыл бұрын
Great video. Tom Cannon’s a die hard 4 speed guy from way back, and it shows!
@CarsAndZebras2 жыл бұрын
Definitely a great driver!
@truckerkevthepaidtourist2 жыл бұрын
Tommy's been racing a long time no doubt about that
@BoricuaBiker20122 жыл бұрын
Those must have been some very good "upgrades" to make the run the 12's seconds 🤔
@chrisvig1232 жыл бұрын
Obviously far from stock especially the Buick
@timmotel58042 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Two very interesting cars. Thanks.
@CarsAndZebras2 жыл бұрын
Glad you like them!
@pappy0172 жыл бұрын
fantastic match-up!! Thought the Buick might take 2. Thanks, C&Z!!
@CarsAndZebras2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching 🍺
@coolbreeze2532 жыл бұрын
I bought new a 1970 GS Stage 1. Impressive torque.
@1979Camaro2 жыл бұрын
Stage 1 can be a Hemi killer,and Hemi's can kill a stage 1!! It depends on the driver being who's,the rear gears and which Mopar the GSX is racing!! Lighter Mopar's can be harder for a stage 1 than a 71 Super Bee!!....But Buick's are good cars and fast and reasonably priced!!
@CarsAndZebras2 жыл бұрын
Very true!
@cannarris2 жыл бұрын
Stage 1 low compression... '72 model...
@ramshaar25972 жыл бұрын
Good race with real 2 superior cars
@fd7972 жыл бұрын
It would have been fun to be inside on that 2nd run. In either car. GSX great reaction, Hemi trying to catch up - not looking good until the end and sneaks by at the lights. I wonder how many 'c'mon's were being yelled inside there.
@mikecobalt70052 жыл бұрын
Incredible numbers, both of the :).
@joefreeman97332 жыл бұрын
In my experience a typical scenario. Back in 69 a friend of mine and I used to take his 440 GTX over to Fremont Cal dragstrip for grudge racing night on Wed. The Gtx was running 3.9 ge a rs headers and a Holley carb with a custom curve in the distributor. It had a 727 torque filter trans and 8 inch wrinklewall slicks running 8 psi screwed into the rims. In this relatively stock configuration the car would consistently run between 13.05 and 13.10 at around 103 mph. Which was actually more than a full second faster than stock and quite good for a daily driver at the time. We encountered about 4 hemis that year. We beat all of them. The GTX was set up to hook immediately and leave hard. This invariably resulted in a hole shot on the hemis especially the 4 speed cars. At 60 feet we generally had better than 3 car lengths on the hemi cars if we cut a quick light. The hemi by mid track would start to run us down and at the end of the quarter generally we only had a half a car length left. But we won. The hemis had 2 visible problems. 1. If the driver brought them off th e line hard the rear tires went up in smoke. 2.The hemis seemed to take a while to get up on their power band. Once they did though they re a lly ran but didn't have quite enough distance to make up for the initial hole shot And of course we were somewhat lighter. I noticed this in street races as well. I was running a 427 435 hp Corvette and didn't have any problem with a stock hemi on the street. My closest races were against 440 6 pak Mopars. These cars with 3.9 to 4.10 gears and an a utomatic were very very quick over the entire quarter mile.
@carmudgeon74782 жыл бұрын
Those 4.30s should help out that hemi, and the Buick is heavy as an ice cream truck. Still, it is a 455 stage 1. If it gets off the line it might hold off the Bee. This will be good.
@dragvan19372 жыл бұрын
It's not as heavy as an ice cream truck (van) I would know I race one. Mine weighs 5789 lbs. Without driver.
@gt-37guy62 жыл бұрын
@@dragvan1937 Nice Dreams Dragvan! Classic response to a random comment - love it. At least My 74 455 Buick Grand Sport Century is still lighter than that....she's a whale 4 sure!
@thatfordguy22682 жыл бұрын
Look at that 3-speed just killing that Buick on the big end. It rolled out on that mopar, hits 100mph and falls on it's face... Reminds of an old Z28 Camaro my cousin had, hopped up 350 but somewhere down the line, someone swapped the transmission for turbo400 3-speed It gave amazing low end torque but at anything over 110 mph that poor 350 was screaming it's guts out begging for a 4th gear 😏
@mrkemblegilstrap2 жыл бұрын
great racing. beautiful Charger.
@warithmuhammad24362 жыл бұрын
Great racing
@davidking14932 жыл бұрын
Hemi sounded good 🤘
@jeanmaxmontagner54512 жыл бұрын
Magnifique duel 😍🇨🇵
@CarsAndZebras2 жыл бұрын
👍
@bruceallen60162 жыл бұрын
Good race for both cars. 😀
@daleliske97572 жыл бұрын
Want to attend this event every year, but sadly have never made it so far, I'm just amazed at the owners of such rare cars driving them as they were intended. Not like the many people who either buy them for blue chip investment or treat them as trailer queens, from show to show.! My most respect to all go out to the owners who race these incredible cars.!
@colemanhigley7472 жыл бұрын
The muscle car era was the greatest time for automobiles that there ever was or will be.
@todddenio32002 жыл бұрын
No matter which car wins, all of us are winners because we get to see 2 extremely rare and beautiful cars doing what they were intended to do which is to RACE. No matter what, I honestly can’t see any true gear head turning down either of these incredible muscle cars if they were offered one, or even honestly disrespecting either of them as both deserve respect and unlike people, the cars can’t read what name is written on them and they don’t care what name is on them either. All the cars care about is to be driven as intended.
@timmotel58043 ай бұрын
Great Cars & Great Race. Love Um. Thanks To All.
@ronlind17572 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! 👍 Two incredible cars for sure of that day... That compression on the GSX.. 😳😥
@gt-37guy62 жыл бұрын
Oh don't worry, I'm sure the GS compression was already bumped back up, it's allowed in Pure Stock class.
@bobdavis33576 ай бұрын
I'd be happy with either one of these muscle rods
@chevyblue102 жыл бұрын
I hate that Charger body style but you gotta love a hemi! Even the 71 w/hydraulic lifters is an unbeatable beast! That thing is putting up numbers any 67 race hemi would be proud to make! And that Buick? What can you say? A lot! I had a 72 Skylark, plain old 350. Those things were built so well, when you shut those heavy doors you shut the whole world out. They close so tight your ears will pop. If both the windows were up, in mine you'd have to crack one to shut the door! It ran great with just a 350. I could imagine it with a 455 stage 1!!!
@chrishill12862 жыл бұрын
Question: Did the Hemi come with the dual quad Carter AFB's?
@markruic20112 жыл бұрын
The 1970 auto stage 1 my best 14 flat Norwalk dragwsy ...aka Summit Racing these days
@kevin296019 күн бұрын
I like both, however I've always been a Buick guy. Does Buicks are some of the most underrated cars. Also even though the compression went down the 71455 had plenty of power.
@jackmaple42072 жыл бұрын
How about a fair race!!! 70 GSX Stage 1 (500 ftlbs of torque) against the Hemi. Just not a fair race running a 72 low compression Buick against the Hemi.
@timbrown55632 жыл бұрын
Exactly a 70' stage 1 against a 70' super bee would have been a true test back when the GSX came in only 2 colors Gemini yellow and Apollo white..both are great cars and a hemi is a hemi your not going. to beat everytime but the 70' stage one's weren't called hemi killers for nothing...just sayin...
@jackmaple42072 жыл бұрын
@@timbrown5563 have a good friend who is a mechanical engineer and said at the time the Buick 455 was as perfect and horsepower efficient of anything being produced back then. FYI, it is SaturnYellow but no big deal.
@timbrown55632 жыл бұрын
@@jackmaple4207 your right idk where Gemini came from...lol
@jonathankountz7097 Жыл бұрын
I was surprised that the Buick didn't win, they usually do... because of the torque they have... as well as the hemi... but as a Mopar fan and gearhead... I am glad the Hemi did it... but it was a good race..
@louiskats51162 жыл бұрын
Goodday C & Z, Both muscle cars rarer than rocking horse shit. That second race you would swear the Buick won it but it didn't. Where is the actual finishing line is it further down the track from the camera. All things considered the Buick wasn't too bad considering the gearing & weight. But as you know I bleed Mopar so I was gunning for it. Stay warm. Monday morning here in Melbourne stinking hot day 35 degrees. Your number 1 Fan in Australia Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
@nickcaruth89392 жыл бұрын
i like both cars...they are both winners..imo
@CarsAndZebras2 жыл бұрын
Very true. Both were very nice cars!
@karlsracing84222 жыл бұрын
Hemi has smallish displacement, I wish they would've increased the cubes back then it would've been absolutely dominate no contest
@johnfitcheard71122 жыл бұрын
Would've been nice if Chrysler would've built a 440 HEMI!
@robstrunk8172 жыл бұрын
was a 3.90 rear gear a stock option in 72 for the Super Bee?
@1967davethewave2 жыл бұрын
I never get tired of seeing those Stage 1's run. From an engineering standpoint they just don't make sense. I mean they are barely more than a LeSabre engine for crying out loud!!!
@timsharpe34982 жыл бұрын
Same race with the Buick having the same compression ratio as the HEMI would be dead even.
@puffkendrick68502 жыл бұрын
Gonna be a close race,I like that Hemi engine but sticking with the Buick.Oh yea.
@CarsAndZebras2 жыл бұрын
Who wins this one?
@tommycook96202 жыл бұрын
Hell Yea
@chiefdave80832 жыл бұрын
I live just north of the race track, what's the best month/time to come down and watch/ I enjoy your video's grew up at Detroit Dragway, Sibley and Dix
@01trsmar Жыл бұрын
HEMI really wakes up after the 1/8th mile..thats what they do! My uncle bought a new 1970 Buick GS 455 Dad had a new 1970 Cuda 440 6bbl,yes lots of races,fun times! Dad still has his Cuda,Uncle kept his until 1992 his divorce ruined him...He owns a 69 Buick GS 400 today,car he really wanted back then..Bought it in 2003 I redid the body,looks sharp today! Uncle is young at 79 Dad is 86!! They still both drive them(yes he drives good but not like back in the day)
@Apollocruz3062 жыл бұрын
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure all three of those chargers on the cover of that issue were later found and restored. They were later featured on the cover of mopar magazine about 10 years ago. I believe the red one was a bee and the other ones were r/t. Also I remember reading something about either one or all of them being test cars for dodge as well. Anyone here able to verify or disprove/correct any of this, I have the magazine buried in a box somewhere.
@onedge70moparsuperbee232 жыл бұрын
Cool video. Thx!:)
@CarsAndZebras2 жыл бұрын
🍻
@clevlandblock2 жыл бұрын
Got to hand it to the Buick. It's running basically a low compression Buick Electra motor with a cam vs a slightly detuned track motor known as the street Hemi and gives it a good fight.
@truckerkevthepaidtourist2 жыл бұрын
Danny you got to remember too how heavy that Buick is it performed very well for as heavy as those gsx's were
@nicholasselvaggi542 жыл бұрын
A 5.7s 0-60 is more akin to a 14s 1/4 mile. That car was more likely in the low 5s 0-60.
@andrewp1998 Жыл бұрын
the adv to the hemi plus the weight t lower makes it a winner
@kevinrice49092 жыл бұрын
Torque flite bullet proof. Four spds where grenades.
@mattwilson3244 Жыл бұрын
Very consistent ? Is that a compliment ? Begining of the End for Muscle Car horsepower , but still Fast as 413's and My "Fuel injected engine sittin under my hood "
@treaverbombard3398 Жыл бұрын
The Buick stage 1 was the king of the stock quarter mile drags
@somguy7282 жыл бұрын
Beautiful Buick - bugly Dodge.
@SpideySenses-gb9gi2 жыл бұрын
GREAT RACE I THINK THE BUICK HAS TO MUCH GEAR WITH A 390-1 PROBABLY DO BETTER WITH A 342-1 OR A 364-1.
@geraldscott430210 ай бұрын
The Super Bee was never a model of its own. It was an option package on the Dodge Coronet. I am a huge fan of the '68 and '69 Super Bee, but they really ruined the front end on the '70 model. The '68-'70 Charger was a gorgeous car, unfortunately they ruined that too for '71. It's still a decent looking car, but nothing like the '68-'70 model. The results don't surprise me. Two very heavy cars, but that Hemi had the edge. It's amazing how much those cars weighed, back then when they were not loaded down with government garbage. My 2006 Ford Crown Vic transportation car weighs less than either one of those. And if I wanted to build a race car out of it, I could easily get rid of a few hundred more pounds.
@markmcfarling89422 жыл бұрын
Hemi is faster no surprise especially with that gearing. I'd take the Buick over it any day though. Much better looking car especially with that gold paint job.
@michaelpease36792 жыл бұрын
Oh but I love that Mopar look. To each his own but both cars are beautiful
@scrambler69-xk3kv2 ай бұрын
Same thing happens when you run a Mopar 440 against a Hemi. 440s are great out of the hole and hang in pretty good but those Hemi's have big lungs.
@ronbrock61538 ай бұрын
The fact the Dodge was a striper no power steering or brakes while the Buick likely had both it did have power windows and locks even a tissue dispenser under the dash.
@jerrycraig65222 жыл бұрын
That Buick should be my daily!!!
@65bu572 жыл бұрын
How is the Buick so heavy? Dads car only had to weigh 3670 in NHRA K/SA.
@bobdavis33576 ай бұрын
I'd prefer a 70 Buick GSX stage 3. Monster motors. But prefer a Hemi over anything
@rockngpa50942 жыл бұрын
I had my hi performance R/T charger 440 magnum with pistol grip shift and college kid from my neighborhood had his Buick GSX 455cci and we met a intersection. Bam it’s going to happen ... Bam not only I kick that Buick 455 ass to Hong Kong then my bro slide down the front passenger seat bc he got scared of the speed of my Mopar RT , yes I lmao 😂
@markbuchanan3694 Жыл бұрын
Nice dream
@Thesaltymedic362 жыл бұрын
I had a 71 charger with a 440 magnum 4 barrel. Old 727 and an 8 3/4 355 sure grip. I miss that pig car 😂not OG as it was a 318 car but still a great car.
@Arthagnou2 жыл бұрын
the Hemi was 490 or 480 ft/lbs of torque...the 455 has to make more than 380 ft/lbs
@OldSchool-ot9rp2 жыл бұрын
Hemi listed as Gross Torque... Gsx listed as Net Torque... At the flywheel vs the rear wheels. Big difference. Also, Hemi still had 10.5 to 1 compression 455 had 8.5 to 1
@02WIFE2 жыл бұрын
2 rare cars
@richardgraham36582 жыл бұрын
Good race. But not a fair comparison. 1971 saw the peak of the horsepower era. 1972 saw the beginning of the epa era dramatically decreasing horsepower. This race is about the same as racing a stock mustang vs a stock pinto.
@OldSchool-ot9rp2 жыл бұрын
Actually, 1970 was the peak H.P. Hemi, LS6, Stage 1, etc...
@jimmywilkinson91902 жыл бұрын
Compression Ratio = win ?knows
@Chuck88vert2 жыл бұрын
Are all your videos on the same weekend sure seems that way
@CarsAndZebras2 жыл бұрын
Nope, some even 3-4 years apart
@Chuck88vert2 жыл бұрын
@@CarsAndZebras ok love watching
@LORISSABOOBMAN2 жыл бұрын
The Buick shifted to early into 3rd gear or final in auto trans
@brookeshenfield71562 ай бұрын
As a life long Mopar fan, I gotta say that that GSX totally won the looks portion of the contest. The ‘71 Chargers were the ugliest fast Mopars since the ‘64 Max Wedge Plymouths
@jamesaandf2 жыл бұрын
Never really cared for the ‘71/72 Charger body style. Too big in a the rear sides and C pillar. ‘73/74 were better looking because the C pillar was bright down further into the rear side. The 4.7V8 in my ‘08 Ram makes 310/335…more HP than the Buick. Times change…