Incredible confusion during takeoff at Chicago O'Hare Airport - Viva Aerobus Flight 187

[@tonybeam]

That was a close call. Congratulations to The wide awake ATC. PS: I know that we have a GPS linked call-out that tells us that we are entertained runway, and which it is but I wonder whether cameras and a laser system will help ATC in future to know when an aircraft enters a runway. Just a thought.

[@harrygordon]

Perfect example of why you always check you heading against the runway heading before you takeoff. Not to mention that a runway at night doesn’t look even remotely like what was pictured. Great job controller for keeping your eyes on them!

[@Captain_Napier]

Not to mess up your theory there but the taxiway they "attempted" to depart from was parallel to RWY 22L. The HSI would have been a false confirmation.

[@TesterNA]

⁠Isn’t taxiway N parallel to runway 28R?

[@Captain_Napier]

@@TesterNA Might be, I didn't look that well nor do I fly out of there. Most runways have a parallel taxiway. Headings will match if on a parallel. Their first big clue was all the blue lights.

[@Captain_Napier]

@@TesterNA Just looked and you are correct. The taxiway would have been a different heading from runway. You absolutely verify heading as we set the HSI bug before takeoff but the heading will not verify you are on the correct piece of concrete/asphalt. lol

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@Captain_NapierAirbus doesn’t have a heading bug, unless you are in heading mode. I found that by not having that, people don’t register the heading like they do with a heading bug.

[@TesterNA]

Worked at ORD for over 20 years with ramp driving privileges. That is one SCARY place to drive at night.

[@mendel5106]

Taxiways have yellow lines in their center, runways don't. This crew could not even look out the window for a second? Also, what's up with the pilot monitoring? Tower had to call him 3 times to cancel the takeoff and he didn't read back to acknowledge until the 4th time. That along with the confusion deserves a write up on the pilot monitoring.

[@hectorramos6975]

What a shame for both pilots. They need more training

[@marks6663]

If you want them to check as to which runway they are on, that will cost you extra. They get paid only to fly the plane.

[@frankfarago2825]

In this case, the "he" was a muchacha-pilot.

[@CatholicBoy1957]

When they switch from English to Spanish as the official language the response may come quicker. .

[@Aircraft1606.]

Viva Aerobus Flight 187 CVR Transcript/Audio 2:49 TOWER:Aeroen 187‚ turn to Victor and hold short of runway 22L. 2:57 F.O: Turning on Victor and hold short of runway 22L. Aeroen 187. 3:44 TWR:Aeroen 187‚ wind 270 11‚ runway 22L‚ line up and wait. 3:51 F.O:Runway 22L‚ line up and wait. Aeroen 187. 4:53 TWR:Aeroen 187 turn left heading 180‚ runway 22L. Cleared for takeoff. 5:01 F.O:Left heading 180‚ cleared for takeoff runway 22L. Aeroen 187. 5:26 TWR:Aeroen 187 cancel your takeoff clearance. Are you lined up for 22L? Cancel takeoff clearance. 5:33 TWR:Aeroen 187 cancel your takeoff clearance. Stop! 5:38 TWR:Aeroen 187 stop! 5:41 TWR: Aeroen 187 stop! You're taking off on a taxiway. 5:51 TWR: Aeroen 187‚ O'Hare. 5:54 F.O: Go ahead‚ Aeroen 187. 5:58 TWR:Cancel your takeoff clearance Aeroen 187. You're on taxiway November right now. 6:05 TWR:Make a right hand turn on Yankee and a right hand turn on Victor. 6:10 F.O:Ok roger. Right on Yankee and then on Victor. Aeroen 187. 6:16 TWR: Make 2 right hand turns. Next right turn is Yankee‚ then right turn on Yankee and right turn on Victor. 6:23 F.O: Right turn Yankee and then right turn Victor. Aeroen 187. 6:34 F.O:Ah sorry for that. Aeroen 187. 6:39 TWR: It's ok. Just make the right hand turn‚ right turn Victor. Advise when you're ready for departure. 6:46 F.O: Copy‚ right turn on Victor. Aero 187. 6:54 Aeroen 187‚ that's a possible pilot deviation. I have a phone number for you to copy when you're ready.

[@denniswofford]

O'Hare is a mess to taxi around, especially if you are assigned a runway on the other side of the field from your departure gate. I'm surprised that the A320 EGPWS didn't warn them that they were on a taxiway. I flew the A300 (a generation older than the 320) and got an "ON TAXIWAY!" aural warning in error at Boston one time. For some reason the EGPWS thought the runway we were on was a taxiway, and when the throttles advanced to takeoff thrust, it started yelling at us. Caused us to abort while we sorted out what was going on. On the second try, everything worked normally. Never did figure out what happened.

[@MPCFlights]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

The “on taxi way” call is triggered by 40 knots of groundspeed. They aborted at 28 knots, so it wouldn’t have triggered yet.

[@denniswofford]

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Ah...well there you go. I didn't know there was a groundspeed requitement to trigger the alert in the 320. I learned something new. Thanks.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@denniswofford I think it’s on most airplanes now, with that 40 knots. I was surprised to hear that the A300 did it based on throttle position. But I guess that had to be the case with older aircraft maybe? I don’t know.

[@maxwellcrazycat9204]

A minor incident? Had not the ATC looked out of the window it would have been very major.

[@marks6663]

I swear, being hired by some airlines is like being hired at The Hilton. Notice the voice of the CP? No firmness. No confidence. No assertiveness. No Energy. Like she was the disinterested maid who knocks on the door to clean the room.

[@kevinmoffatt]

Agreed, no anything and no business sitting in the right hand seat.

[@airman329]

I fly out of ORD all the time and that is a tricky line up for 22L if you are not familiar. Just glad they stopped before it was a disaster! Shat happens and glad it ended well.

[@YeahYeahBruhBruh]

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[@FelippaRodrigues]

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[@Captain_Napier]

Captain: "They must have run out of white runway lights and used blue".

[@charlesschneiter]

Why didn't they look on their heading indicators (HSI /Compass) to see an almost 45 deg. difference in heading, between the taxiway they tried to depart from and the actual runway heading? Basic instrument airmanship....

[@ADAPTATION7]

That's a good point. Also, the taxiway lights are BLUE.

[@philo5096]

A flake in the left seat, how scary is that.

[@paulw4310]

PLENTY of missed cues, not the least of which is runways do NOT have blue edge lights. They couldn't even use poor visibility as an excuse. I realize that it was late, but that's when you especially have to be on your toes!

[@jogman262]

This could have turned into another Comair 5191. Thanks to this ATC for noticing this crew on a taxiway. Simple compass check could have helped this crew.

[@rogergeyer9851]

Yeah, I don't get it. I don't fly, but watch some of these after Comair 5191 killed a friend / coworker of mine in Lex, KY. When I heard "heading 180" and knew they were supposed to be on 22L, I was immediately pissed that the pilots didn't notice. Not checking the basics like that is BAD. On modern aircraft, why the HELL doesn't the aircraft GPS technology check the heading AND the location vs. where they are SUPPOSED to be, and WARN them? Then if that happens, you don't do squat until it's sorted out. Like with Comair 5191, that tech. wasn't on smaller commuter planes back then.

[@jeremypearson6852]

I believe aircraft are equipped with a sensor that lets the crew know if they are on the correct runway. I’m surprised they didn’t get some kind of warning signal. I remember a crash several years ago in Asia when a plane tried to take off on a runway that was closed for maintenance.

[@robertwalker2052]

She got excited when the tower said he had a number for her to call. She hasnt had a date in years!

[@TheLitehart1]

😂

[@brianarbenz1329]

Very similar to the 5191 crash in the 1990s at Lexington, Ky. But in this case the ATC caught the error and saved the day.

[@im_agine852]

Whew...that was close.

[@321ssteeeeeve]

MPC Flights, I am really enjoying these videos, the format is perfect. Was this the actual CVR material?

[@MPCFlights]

Yes, it's the actual CVR.

[@TheSecurdisc]

Don’t know about the Pilots but I was confused too.

[@rogergeyer9851]

Well, if you're not a commercial pilot and don't know the rules, the lines set-up, the lights set up, etc, that's not surprising. But the commercial PILOTS are supposed to KNOW that stuff and have REVIEWED that stuff BEFORE the flight. How that can happen at a major airport in the US in modern times on a BIG jet with NO warnings from the technology is just completely outrageous to me.

[@principalsuspeito]

Good thing there was no fog, so the controller could see them.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

The automation would’ve triggered at 40 knots and yelled at them: “ON TAXIWAY, ON TAXIWAY”.

[@rogergeyer9851]

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183: Good. But why not when they're about to take off? Surely there could be a process where the automation could know. But at least good to hear that the automation WOULD warn them in the 2020's.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@rogergeyer9851 that automation has been around. It’s set for 40 knots, because if set lower, it could be triggered during longer higher speed taxi. 40 knots is achieved rather quickly. It seems this particular case, they might’ve started to accelerate slowly. Maybe they had a feeling something wasn’t right. ATC told them to stop and they did at 28 knots, which is barely above taxi speed.

[@markcardwell]

Thank you

[@AliAbdullah-oj1zu]

With the advent of digital solutions nowadays, it’s baffling that such sophisticated airliners are not equipped with warning systems against missing right entrance to runways. This keeps happening a lot and drastic measures should be taken!!

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

The EGPWS would have triggered at 40 knots to tell them they were on a taxiway. So yeah, it’s equipped, but they aborted at 28 knots.

[@oneworldawakening]

How much shorter was the taxiway than the runway?

[@saboabbas123]

There could have been ground traffic on that taxiway and once airbourne, if they made it that far, they would have been heading West instead of Southwest. They could have had a mid-air with another aircraft in the very busy O'Hare airspace.

[@Stuart.Branson.]

Who is going to say "Women drivers" lol. What about the ground radar ? No alarm bells ?

[@dejordyball]

It was a woman handling the radio and not in control of the airline, right?

[@brianarbenz1329]

Not me. I stick to relevancy.

[@ValuedTeamMember]

Just like the 1970's... things got hairy really quick!

[@JonCampos-kh2bw]

That FO sounded very distracted or very high.

[@ARMISETANIMIS]

Tenerife version 2.0 without tragic outcome ?

[@dennisnorris6439]

Runway markings and lights are completely different from taxiways! They could not tell the difference??

[@marks6663]

It takes many years of airline experience before it is easy to tell. These pilots were probably only making 70K a year. The pilots that are real pros at identifying runway lighting are the guys making 150K+

[@Bobrogers99]

@@marks6663 I would expect that making the distinction between a runway and a taxiway would be an important part of basic pilot training. I'm assuming that most airports worldwide follow a standardized system of markings and lights, but that may not be so. There are a number of videos of planes getting lost and making wrong turns, especially at night and/or in the fog, so the identification markings must not be consistently clear.

[@scottyjohnson3120]

Ah yes, the dreaded phone number for you to call. It means you're in big trouble!

[@frankfarago2825]

Commercial aviation is one of the biggest rackets worldwide. And the muchacha pilor heard on the audio recordings was truly clueless.

[@scotttimothy64]

How about you tell him that he's taking off on a taxiway the first time???? Sheesh.

[@Nobilangelo]

Obviously, the taxiways are not long enough... ;-)

[@arantheo8607]

" I have a phone number for you to copy when you're ready. " I'd appreciate any help to understand what it means !

[@soaringvulture]

That means the pilot has to call a supervisor at the tower to explain his actions. This can result in an investigation and discipline if the pilot is found to have made an error. Like starting their takeoff on a taxiway rather than a runway.

[@arantheo8607]

@@soaringvulture Thank you!

[@shmoop2481]

You guys really think this is real? How were all the camera angles managed...LOL. Cmon. It's fake

[@soaringvulture]

No, it's obviously a simulation. But the communications are real.

[@danduffy7974]

Remind me to NEVER fly that airline!!!

[@arturo468]

DEI hire?

[@jaya.0069]

You stole my thunder, but you're probably correct!

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@jaya.0069seems you both fall for the DEI BS.

[@brianarbenz1329]

@@jaya.0069 If you don't know how to think critically, stay away from issues beyond your grasp, ok?

[@dmimcg]

I didn't know Hunter Biden was a Pilot.

[@sparkymlarky]

Female pilot

[@robs5688]

Female FO.

[@saboabbas123]

I've flown with some very good female aviators.

[@jaya.0069]

DEI hire??

[@marks6663]

@@saboabbas123 100 % true. They are not all bad.

[@frankfurder3742]

Was she putting on makeup at the time?

[@ADAPTATION7]

She wasn't looking at the aiport layout, that's for sure. Or maybe she attended a seminar given by Harrison Ford's school of advanced aeronautics.🤪🤪

[@saboabbas123]

backside of the clock flying

[@helmethut6744]

@@ADAPTATION7 I see what you did there ;)

[@Nivola1953]

If she was talking to the ATC she was pilot monitoring, that means Ken beside was in command, combing his hair! Misogynist anyone?

[@alfredovelez203]

FAKE

[@redbird444]

Nope. Real.

[@Falcon7001]

Damn game footage again. All fake.

[@321ssteeeeeve]

I hope pilots don’t say the same thing when training in the simulator.

[@peekaboo4390]

DEI strikes again.

[@brianarbenz1329]

Insinuation without knowing what one is talking about strikes again.

[@peekaboo4390]

@@brianarbenz1329 🤣😅😂

[@davidpeterson7197]

Aw shucks, you received ZERO ads for this video, which is exactly what you deserve.

[@donadams3487]

Dam get her out of the airplane

[@glocke380]

DEI hire?