IS THE OLD BMW M4 STILL ANY GOOD? 2014 BMW M4 REVIEW

[@loOAL3XOoI]

Nothing wrong with a manual handbrake, some people don't even know what it is now days..they think its a umbrella.

[@CarswithJay]

Agreed. But in this car with the DCT I just prefer to jump in and go. I drive alot of cars so jumping into these from say a Mercedes it's easy for to skip your mind.

[@jaydavis4752]

I agree I made a comment about the hand brake being needed for drifting and your right some people don't understand why BMW made it with a manual hand brake compared to an automatic hand brake. Even when you spell it out they miss the point, personally I think they see my photo ID on here n perhaps think "oh he's black he can't possibly know what he's talking about". I think in this day and age with more cars getting automatic hand brakes people do get use to em for a matter of convenience but fail to realise when you have a track day and your there with your automatic hand brake not being able to initiate a drift that there would be the reason why.

[@_itzjustquay8737]

@@jaydavis4752 same shit here bro , I love braking mfs necks when I talk cars

[@Stabbobully.79]

@@CarswithJayyeh cos it saves you 0.4 seconds 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Zac_LDN]

Definitely looks better than the latest 2021/22 model.

[@marsh9866]

G8x 🫶🫶

[@zzzzz19999]

Good review. I have an M4 (15 plate) and it's fairly accurate re the pre lci equipment. Can't agree with you on the handbrake though. If you forget to take handbrake off then that's your issue

[@CarswithJay]

Its most likely me. I am in and out of different cars all the time. From pedal operated handbrakes to handbrakes located on the right of the drivers side (UK) its easy to forget. Car has enough torque for it to drive off with you noticing. Thank you for watching and I appreciate the feedback!

[@Chris15KM]

I don’t comment much on videos but the quality of this video was sensational. Really ticked everything I needed to know especially with service & fuel costs. I’m hoping to get this by the end of the year so I have a realistic target now. Thankss

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you very much for watching and commenting Chris! I am glad I was able to help and glad you enjoyed the production quality! Feedback means a lot to me :)

[@jonathanwilkes5565]

Did you get the M4, it's been a year since your comment so I'm curious to know now 😬

[@MikeyG003]

@@jonathanwilkes5565lol it’s been 2 years now and I’m curious 😂

[@chuck6228]

POINT OF CORRECTION. There is every reason for that physical handbrake. don't forget there isn't a park button on the m4 and making it physical even adds to the thrills of owning the car as well

[@CarswithJay]

Oh definitely its use is valid. From my perspective I drive a lot of cars. Each one has a different configuration, with most modern cars having an electronic parking brake. Comparing this car to a C63 for example it feels a little basic in that regard. I'd powerslide the car, rather than handbrake turn it. Thanks for watching I appreciate it!

[@arribus30]

I had the M4 when it first came out in 2014. It was a monster and such great fun. On warm summer days it was just stupidly quick. Bit dodgy in wet weather however. I once floored out of the M6 toll and it almost did a 360 spin.

[@CarswithJay]

haha I love it when you get a brown pants moment in a car! Adds to the memories. Its definitely a car that won't be disrespected! Thanks for watching!

[@JP-cu2gm]

It’s obligatory floor it out the M6 toll.

[@mattjohnson5855]

I think that BMW m4 is a magnificent car it's elegant beautiful really good performance it might be a little pricey but you can always wait a few years after it comes out to buy it but great car all around most prettiest one I think they've made

[@CarswithJay]

This and the E46 M3 are two of the most beautiful cars to come from Bayerische Motoren Werke (BMW). Thanks for watching!

[@leonpalmer2429]

I doubt prices will fall much more

[@abelhorvat1540]

@@leonpalmer2429 And they are quite reasonable to be fair..

[@christianjansson319]

Great review. Don't forget that you have much more flexibility in settings than just Default, M1 or M2 modes. They can all be ajdusted independently and stored in the M buttons. My favourite setting is Drivetrain Sport, Suspension Comfort, Steering Comfort and Gearshifts 2/3.

[@CarswithJay]

That is the setup I'd go for to be honest! Sharpened throttle response without the unnecessarily heavy steering or stiff suspension. Thanks for watching!

[@aswedtauqir2692]

“Old”!?!?!?!!?

[@josh5647]

Brilliant, quality video and you should post more! Really enjoy this and I love the BMW M4. Realistic dream car for sure ✅

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you for the kind words!! I've got quite a few videos coming up so just gotta crack on with the editing!

[@stephenfranklin9574]

Good review thanks Jay. I have a 2019 competition pack in Verde Mantis and love it. Don’t know why you would give up the carbon roof to get a sunroof though!

[@MikeyG003]

Damn, never come across a 2014 F8x before lol thought they were only 15 and newer, even tho I had seen that they did make 2014 models.

[@shanests1026]

I wouldn’t change the carbon roof for a sun roof

[@Kmodipane]

Great review! Handbrake needed for the dual clutch transmission or rather the way this one is set up

[@jjrusso8295]

STILL absolutely timeless pre LCI and even LCI are some of the meanest looking cars on the road! g80 is nice just not my cup to tea. LONG LIVE F82 M4

[@lacapone7159]

Bought it last year and still Love it like i just bought it yesterday 😍

[@mattrixx007]

I think this is great for the price, don't even compare it to a Porsche, price wise at least. No Porsche will give you this for the money

[@CarswithJay]

It's a lot of car for the money. Apples to apples a Porsche for the same money won't give you the same power potential. But driving even the older stuff is incredible/ if not better. Thank you for watching!

[@PristineMindset]

If you have to ask why there is a manual hand brake you should not be driving an M car, and you are not a true sports car driver. You are a sports car cruiser that wants to be seen in the car vs "driving" the car it should be driven.

[@CarswithJay]

Seems alot of have people have taken the handbrake comment so seriously. Its difficult to understand if you don't regularly drive new cars. C63 handbrake? No. Rs5 handbrake? No. Now because of the M4's gearboxs lack of 'Park' BMW have opted for a manual handbrake. Great for skids but day to day a minor inconvenience. Don't mind it in my 911's or any other manual car I own. Thank you for watching.

[@mcintosh.motors]

Mate it's F82 not F80

[@CarswithJay]

Thanks for the correction mate and thanks for watching!

[@kirkthorpe5392]

100% agree, the best m car and one of the best looking cars on the road

[@agoatwithnonamd]

I LOVE this car! I hope theyre gonna be somewhat affordable in 5 years.

[@ozzy_fromhell]

They gunna have like 80k miles average 😬

[@yg78t76t7]

80k miles isn’t a lot bro…these cars can run double or triple that if you take of them.

[@MikeyG003]

@@yg78t76t7yeah but the plastic parts and seals start failing so there’s all those added costs even tho car price is cheaper. If you can work on it yourself, not an issue

[@TheJasonSoon]

Great review! This was very useful as I've been wanting to pull the trigger on an F82. P.S. please lower the volume on the transition, 2:46 scared the hell outta me 😂

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you for watching glad you found it useful!

[@s4awd2]

I've been leasing BMW's for at least 15 years and leased a 2015 M4 and then a 2018. The adaptive headlights do take it to another level. t is THE most beautiful BMW I've ever owned. I may just buy it out as it is just soooo beautiful.

[@CarswithJay]

Its an amazing looking car so I can definitely see why you'd want to! Thank you so much for watching!

[@ykmechanic]

It sounded good until he started mentioning the costs at the end! 😂

[@DesroQc]

It doesn't matter if it's still good, it's still too expensive for my broke ass xD

[@jaydavis4752]

The hand brake is needed for drifting, you can't do that with an automatic hand brake.

[@tmfrs2]

you shouldn't have to need a hand brake to engage a drift :l

[@jaydavis4752]

@@tmfrs2 No you could throw the steering around voilently to enable the car to drift but in most cases when the car doesn't go side ways enough the hand brake is pretty necessary. Without it you get understeer in less powerful cars, especially front wheel drive cars and some 4 wheeled. Rear wheeled cars are easy to spin out even without touching the hand brake but that is specific characteristic of rear wheel drive cars. If you play Grand Tourismo on the PS you'll see its easier to drift using a handbrake. The point I was making is how can a car drift using an automatic hand brake the answer is they can't unless it's rear wheel, for most cars it's brake and throttle depending on horse power and a shed load of skill. Even then it'll be a struggle.

[@tmfrs2]

@@jaydavis4752 You're comparing a game to real life now...most rwd you just apply more throttle, fwd is a different story. Ive never had to touch my handbrake to initiate a drift

[@jaydavis4752]

@@tmfrs2 and your missing the point and chatting rubbish. As if I have no clue, I made a point about the game as it is the safest way to put my theory to the test. I know what I'm talking about. For you to do a drift without touching the hand brake you either got to be a mad man with a whole load of skill (or maybe your car has way too much power) or just plain crazy to do that safely on British roads without killing yourself and other people you idiot. Hand brakes are needed, I know you can without them but that wasn't what I was trying to say and you know it, you just want to make me look like I don't know what I'm talking about. Seems you got issues you need addressing within yourself mate don't waste my time.

[@tmfrs2]

@@jaydavis4752 Why are you so mad, i understand what youre saying and im just imputting my experiences on not needing a handbrake to drift. If anything you shouldnt be drifting on your "british roads" anyway ;)

[@Aviation-Aaron]

my dream car the 2015 M4!

[@EDd8f]

Excellent review, I have just bought a 2018 cabriolet M4 and can’t wait to try out all the setting options. Very professional videography and talk-over! Ps, you don’t see many in the Sakhir orange…… suits the car…… although as someone else mentioned here, I would stick with stock spec, without the m-performance stuff )although black grille is class. 👊

[@Imculk909]

Tbh if i was asked if i want a g82 or an f82(new vs 2014 m3)i d choose the f82 and its my dream car even if ill get 435i or 440i still really cool car

[@46matthew]

Its the Best!!

[@shanests1026]

You can make the seats hug you and you can move the arm rest forward for short people 😜

[@Frontofax]

The armrest can be pushed forward… it has 2 positions. And the sunroof if you push it once it will pull back automatically. Unless this is because it is s 2014 version and didn’t have these functions

[@78matt]

I love that old school f80, reminds me of my youth.

[@johnmclaughlin2845]

That m4 is immaculate Better than my 2020 one 😂

[@avishkarsingh744]

Definitely the best looking 👌

[@billymania11]

I'd say restore to OEM spec and call it a day. It looked good straight from the factory.

[@CarswithJay]

Subtle OEM mods can take this car even further. Thats why I love the 2017 LCI competition!

[@MsTheSteffy]

Its got a handbrake because its a proper dual clutch "manual" its not an auto box.

[@johnvega2528]

Does this goof ball really not know that m1 mode is the customizable drive mode

[@888mf4]

Nice review Jay. Love the smooth talking over the B roll shots. I find the M4 a little too chunky. Prefer the smaller M2 Competition but for £24000 my money would be spent on a BMW i3S if I needed a daily driver

[@thaalrasha]

That's both a daily driver and a proper sports car you can even enjoy sometimes on the track.

[@johnmclaughlin2845]

Should have put the gear box in setting 3 The gear box I my opinion is as quick as an pdk

[@thaalrasha]

the only downside to that setting is that you can't use it unless road conditions are perfect otherwise the shifts are so violent it easily upset the car's traction or balance :) Anyway that's how i feel in my f82 comp

[@erick2good]

@@thaalrasha a bm3 tune smooths out the hard shifts in city driving.

[@Hold.My.Tacoss]

@@thaalrasha I have the non comp & I drive in that setting all day rain or shine (never drive her in the snow though) & she never once scared me, can you control your car sir ? 🤔

[@johnsmithvbl3d]

bro handbrake comment is a really wild take .. dont do that yourself

[@jguo]

My only problem with the controls - aircon doesn’t have a sync button :)

[@CarswithJay]

To be honest I find myself almost never using dual zone climate haha. Thanks for watching!

[@Landon-ud4kb]

Awesome review, continue the great work!

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you for watching and really appreciate the kind words!

[@bingoberra18]

Good job jay! The M4 is really good looking, a bit big for a B road maybe but as a daily must be great to live with.

[@CarswithJay]

Thank very much for the kind words! It's a beautiful car. Especially in my preferred colour, San Marino Blue. Thanks for watching!!

[@BoostedAkatsukiRiffs]

the old m4 is better than the new one, for no other reason than that grill haha

[@sreejit1907]

I'll take this one over the oversized grille all-day

[@unkownkiller9295]

Correct me if I’m wrong but the hand brake is needed. There isn’t a “park” on the gear selector you pop it into neutral and pull the hand brake up.

[@CarswithJay]

So what I had meant by my comment was that, most modern cars have electronic parking brakes. Push of a button to apply and easy release when you drive away. The handbrake, although cool in a hot hatch, in this it just doesn't feel at home.

[@unkownkiller9295]

@@CarswithJay oh okay I got confused for a minute. Do you think it’s a good idea to get a older model m4 ?

[@CarswithJay]

@@unkownkiller9295 I think it's great value for money. It looks great, is well put together but the drive isn't really for me. I mean it's quick and you can throw it around corners, but not in a way that leaves a lasting impression. I had more fun in a C63 (only downside is the steering on those, it feels disconnected and weighted poorly).

[@rayner1704]

@@unkownkiller9295 buy a comp if you going to get one

[@TheLogicprouser]

There is a Park by the way mate, just not a button. You have to put it in 1st and press the off button. You’ll see the P show up in the dash. 👍 but yeah, the comp is totally worth it over the standard model.

[@syedalishah6854]

Could you let me know the make and size/offset of the wheels mate ?

[@CarswithJay]

Hi mate, the wheels are CMwheels Strom STR2. Not sure on the offset currently but will get back to you as soon as I find out. Thanks for watching the video!

[@Phil1994a]

I really prefer this look, I want it

[@antekaramatic1551]

I wouldn't say that the sunroof is an added benefit since it's a base option.

[@hoangdaitran6048]

The best looking car m4 , true look gangster as f

[@yg78t76t7]

Why do UK cars look so clean?

[@KuDot1]

should i get the bmw m4 2014 or a bmw 2016 is the difference in performance worth it in price?

[@RogueBeatsARG]

TBH looks pretty good

[@javidrana3720]

Really good review mate.👍🏼

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you very much for the kind words Javid!

[@kerrky09]

I wanted to find fault with this review as I’m a BMW fan boy with an F82 M4. I couldn’t, I think it’s very fair and balanced so hats off to you sir.

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you very much for the kind words!

[@raz5584]

Great video Jay! Fair , honest opinion - couldn't agree more ! Keep up the good work

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you so much for letting me review her! Really glad you enjoyed the video.

[@Jadem4]

It's the last best M car

[@Hold.My.Tacoss]

“As you can see it’s not stock” looked stock af to me lol

[@CarswithJay]

Exterior my friend! Thanks for watching :)

[@Aether52]

Traditional handbrake for handbrake turns, which people who are likely to get an M4 are not unlikely to want to do so. Also easier to put the traditional handbrake for both the auto and manual than an electric for the auto and traditional for manual.

[@toshvmax]

Spot on review mate without a doubt one of the best on KZbin, keep up the good work👍

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you so much for the kind words!!

[@dho]

hey! watched some of your videos looking at the old F series m cars and they're been great to watch! wondering which M car you'd reach for between an early year m2 base, m3 and m4? I feel like they're all at a similar price range these days and not sure what to go with. m4 is surprisingly light, m3 has the 4 doors, and m2 seems closest to the weight and form factor of the e46 m3.

[@MikeyG003]

I picked the m3 due to super flared rear wheel arches and the 4 door practicality even though no one sits in my car 😂

[@chriszeng1488]

will the m4 become a future classic? is it worth keeping?

[@CarswithJay]

I would sell and purchase a very clean and well spec'd E92 M3. Like the E46 good examples will rise in value.

[@yg78t76t7]

The m4 will definitely be a classic

[@Annonymous_Ryleigh]

Upload more frequently bro these are really good videos really enjoying it 👌🏾specially if you do more Bmw m cars

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you so much that means alot! I am trying to finish off about 3 more reviews currently. Hopefully improving after this one.

[@chriskeegel]

Nice well presented and informed video , could you do one on the Audi TT RS Mk3 circa 2018 . Would be interested to hear your thoughts 🖖🏽

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you for the feedback and thank you so much for watching!! I'll see if I can source a TT RS to review 🙌

[@chriskeegel]

@@CarswithJay Thanks Jay 😎👍🏽

[@ks3788]

What car would you have other then this ?

[@CarswithJay]

What price point would you have in mind?

[@ks3788]

@@CarswithJay 50-80k I would say giving average price for competitors

[@CarswithJay]

@@ks3788 Almost any 911 or Cayman GTS 4.0 would give you so much more driving pleasure for that price point. It won't be as fast in a straight line and I personally think the Porsche interior is lacking compared to BMW in the infotainment department.

[@ks3788]

@@CarswithJay Touche. Thats my second choice if I didnt get a f82 m4. A 911 or 718 gts. But I dont think they sound as good but they have potential to do the job and can put down power. But as for tech bmw wins hands down. I am a big tech guy so thats my thing. I just hate how the m4 doesnt put down its power as it should. so I have some thinking to do. I think im going to stay below 65k as I wont daily it.

[@CarswithJay]

@@ks3788 In that case my other choice would be an F90 M5. Brilliant cars and the refinements of the 5 series over the 4 makes it a winner.

[@Salpeteroxid]

The annoying thing with the M4 is the armrest. You have to slide it forward after every use of the handbreak.

[@dennvision1353]

The comment you made about liking cars with fixed drive settings doesn’t make much sense bc everyone has different taste for diff situations so manufacturers should cater to that

[@CarswithJay]

It is more of a reference to older cars. You just drive the car to condition. Not the car changes to suit the condition. I feel as though this makes you a better driver. But you're comment is also true. Thanks for watching!

[@pick5823]

If you forget to put it down idk what your doing 😂🤦‍♂️

[@GhostlyVT]

The old bmw is very good then new one TRUST ME IS A BEATS

[@tedmalmgren3464]

M1 and M2 buttons isn’t equal to sport and sport+ They are programmable in every setting for owners favorite and custom mode

[@CarswithJay]

Correct and one thing I always forget to mention! Thanks for watching.

[@Hahahahadavee]

is the convertible variant any good or should I go for the coupe

[@rickydominic5616]

You will enjoy the convertible brotha. Trust me, I just purchased one yesterday

[@Hahahahadavee]

@@rickydominic5616 nice one man enjoy your car ! I’ll get the same

[@MrYuNgMiMs]

Where can I get those wheels????

[@hairycornflake8580]

Reg plate is letting this car down

[@oc5515]

What’s 16 plate?you said it in the end I didn’t understand that

[@CarswithJay]

In the UK our number plates have the year of the vehicle. For example 16 means 2016 and so does 66. 17 means 2017 and so does 67. So if someone says 16 plate it means a 2016 registered car.

[@deshennaidoo_m413]

The center console slides forward

[@onalennamoseneke128]

The technology is oudated........but I really love this car!!!!!!!

[@Kmodipane]

Any newer Technology in this car or the f80 M3 would just detract from the driving experience in my view

[@blanenaidoo4302]

Can you please tell me in summary what is the newer technology? I’m actually looking to buy one of these.

[@christianjansson319]

I have one of these, and also another BMW from 2021 which is filled with new technology. Most of the new stuff is either completely useless (like gesture control), or downright annoying (like Intelligent Safety, that has to be manually turned off every time you start the car). There is none of it I miss in the M4. In fact, I think the F8X has the perfect balance of analog and digital technology. Worth noting is that I am not an "M Drift Analyzer" kind of guy.

[@lowitg]

So glad u put the unrestricted speed in the intro

[@rossdevilliers8444]

Which wheels are those on the car?

[@chessguru900]

Are all M4 models twin roof? I mean convertible?

[@CarswithJay]

Not all M4's are convertible. But the M4 does have a convertible variant. Thanks for watching!

[@realebogatala440]

Amazing review

[@Skhnnnnn]

I have a convertible so would be interesting to compare!

[@CarswithJay]

That would be awesome actually! I love the convertibles because I am a sucker for putting the roof down in all weathers. Send me a message on instagram @mrjaymodi and lets discuss!

[@evh22]

Enjoyed this Jay👍

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you very much for watching and the kind words!

[@marklee2759]

0p

[@T24Guv]

Been doing lot of research on the bmw m4, it was out of this or the G80 but the price of the new is just way over priced, plus I always loved the shape of this M4 since it was released. Hoping to get one middle of this year to the end! 2019/2020 model hopefully

[@CarswithJay]

Cars these days really are expensive, but we were overdue a price correction. The G80 is incredible. Its a vast improvement of the F80. But go with what makes sense financially overall. Hopefully you get to have both! Good luck with it mate and thanks for watching!

[@sh-9696]

My dream car

[@zoffnonrust]

24k now way these cars go for 42k+

[@rickydominic5616]

Absolutely agree. Luckily to find 1 for 35k with low mileage

[@brasi5378]

I thought they came out 2015

[@CarswithJay]

Released in 2014. Plenty 14 reg cars for sale too.

[@bengordon2011]

Brilliant review mate.

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you I really appreciate the kind words!!

[@lukaslasak7534]

anyone knows what rims are those?

[@CarswithJay]

STROM STR2. Thanks for watching!

[@TheStefmcd]

V balanced and thoughtful analysis.

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you very much for the kind feedback and for watching!!

[@gregs8685]

No

[@CarswithJay]

Please elaborate?

[@EAD_0]

Awesome review mate. 👍

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you very much for the kind words and thanks for watching!

[@jesusguido6986]

I have a week to decide if I will go pick up a 2016 M4 with the executive package 🙃

[@CarswithJay]

Tough decision. Depends on what else you had in mind, your budget, what you are going to use the car for and what car you are coming from.

[@jesusguido6986]

@@CarswithJay I used to be a camaro owner. But I came across M4 with a very sweet deal. Looking for weekend car. I already have my daily driver. Will the 2016 be a good car to keep 3 years from now?

[@CarswithJay]

@@jesusguido6986 I can see them depreciating alot in the next few years. A 2016 will be worth significantly less. Not really a car you want to have sitting in the garage. Better off with a Porsche 997. It's a nice car but the drive isn't special enough to have it just as a weekend car.

[@deanwilson4554]

How is a handbrake useless and who would forget to put it down asides from the fact of not moving? Rubbish review

[@CarswithJay]

It was more my experience. I drive alot of cars and the parking brake moves around alot. Jumping into alot of M cars it's easy to miss it if you are in a rush. Thanks for watching anyway!

[@craftgarrett1]

I genuinely do not understand buying these cars other than in a manual. Its the most driveable car ive ever driven. Its doing the car a disservice being automatic

[@LivingLifeSlower]

I bought one in 2016. Back then everyone was bitching about the forced induction. Roll forward a few years and everyone is chatting about it...because its cheaper.

[@CarswithJay]

People don't like change. But then we adapt to it. The engineers are ahead of the curve. Thanks for watching you made a great purchase!

[@theodorejohansen6197]

i thought the M4 came out in 2015

[@CarswithJay]

2014 and production stopped in 2020

[@OkzM117]

Well done mate you smashed it, Personally would like to hear more negatives And also can you review an M240i

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you for the feedback and thank you for watching!! M240i sounds good just need to find someone who has one and ill review it

[@seanrigney2349]

Mercedes c63s amg is better

[@shaniapearcey]

Why

[@seanrigney2349]

More torque, more hp, better styling and better quality of parts used in the interior making it more luxurious

[@CarswithJay]

I agree to an extent. The interior I find is very poor quality. The BMW feels slightly better material wise but it’s not night and day. The engine sounds better and it’s a fun car to chuck around. But they’re generally more expensive.

[@seanrigney2349]

The almost 100 extra hp from the c63s amg makes the difference in the price. The m4 is more equivalent to the c43 amg. Tbh i owned bmw's all my life and there was always too much cheap plastic especially in the center. Everything in my 2015 c63s is either metal or extremely nice material. Glad I went with it over a 2016 m3

[@uzs1333]

@@seanrigney2349 I was the complete opposite lmao. Went from owning Mercs all my life, until I sold my 16 c63 and brought a 16 m4. The interior on the m4 feels levels above quality wise, and I prefer the sat nav screen on the m4 over the glued-on ipad look on the c63. The c63 had a more flash looking interior, but quality wise the m4 feels way better imo. Also I'm not sure where you're getting the m4 is equivalent to a c43? In a straight like the c63 feel slightly faster no doubt, but when it comes to bends there's a clear difference between the two, the m4 is simply a better driving car