WHY HONDAS DONT SUCK? FN2 TYPE R Review

In this episode of Cars with Jay I take a look at the Honda Civic FN2 Type R.
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[@gumpy4960]

Abit heavier than the ep3 but has shorter gearing, more mid range power, lower vtec point, and usually then dyno around 10 hp more than the stated figure. I’ve owned both an fn2 and ep3 and I prefer the fn2.

[@thatpersiandude7386]

Chiu TSZ WAI fd2 is better but remember fn2 is much more cheaper

[@jasonboyle7203]

Daft to get rid of the fd2 Hope you kept it .

[@TheJoadma]

You’d be mad to swap ur fd2 for an fn2 😂

[@lunarshteve]

@Chiu TSZ WAI you would be crazy to swap your FD2 for an FN2 , there is a reason you could get 3 fn2's for the price of one fd2. ..... fd2's are imo the best civic type r ever made

[@serioussam2349]

​@@lunarshteve why, what is better/what are de differences?

[@nutstight2936]

Had my fn2 for 2 an half years absolute love it. Loads of fun. Got a nice k & n filter in it. Sounds nice and throaty from the front. Can't beat Honda build quality.

[@seanaldo9187]

Just stumbled across this video. I bought a Deep Sapphire Blue FN2 3 weeks ago and love it. I was a bit skeptical having owned an EP3 before but after 3 weeks I've changed my mind now. I find the FN2 a much better car to live with on a day to day basis and comes some creature comforts like dual zone AC, auto wipers, auto HID headlamps, aux and USB connectivity, cruise control and reverse parking sensors. My only minor gripe is that mine didn't come with the LSD. Even though its a face-lift, mine was built in February 2010 and its only the champ white ones and any car built after April 2010 that came with the LSD standard from factory. With regards to how rare the colour is, the number that were sold in Europe was 115, with 66 of them being sold in the UK. The colour was only available as an option for 1 year before being discontinued. This information was confirmed by Honda UK when I contacted them to go over the service history and enquire about any outstanding recall work.

[@k24nz25]

Switched from a 03 ep3 to 11 cw fn2 and I have no regrets

[@alphatrion100]

Its such a pretty car!

[@k24nz25]

alphatrion100 yeah, my mate has 2015 golf r and it’s funny because because fn2 gets more looks 🤣 maybe it’s because of the mugen wing

[@80skid83]

@@k24nz25 tbh golfs, beemers audis etc grow on trees in the uk. Type r is definitely more exclusive

[@80skid83]

I went from a 52 ep3, to an 09 fn2 and it was a very nice change. I always wanted to get a facelifted ep3 but missed out on it.

[@lunarshteve]

i thought the CW ones were only made in 2009 and 2010, what number is your 2011 CW type r ?

[@hazey8348]

That blue is rare never seen one before got mine for sale now

[@michaelwong9300]

From what i understand, all the critics and haters' review on the FN2 mostly in 2007-2009 would hate how the car drives which is understandable because early production except championship white does not come an LSD, but one with an LSD feels completely different. Driven both FN2, one with LSD and one without. massive difference. I have both Fd2 and FN2 and I'd say the FD2 is more fun but i won't say a lot lot more, however, consider the price point here. FN2 is an amazing car for its price. Back when the DC5 came out, i remember people been saying it's not a type R compared to the dc2, no cars are perfect. Driven a Ep3 for a month as my friend was away and i took care of it. imo.. Ep3 is just lighter thats it, suspension wise, u won't feel the difference unless yr hitting 100kmh in tight corners. they are all just as fun when u tune and modify them. If you buy a Type R and not tune and mod it, sell it. Driven both fk8 and FL5 too. FL5 feels slower and less torque maybe cuz its heavier. Imagine if fk8 and FL5 are produce in 2001-2009 era. People would trash the FL5 because every engineering aspect is not that far off. same concept as the Ep3 and FN2.

[@design-dwg5785]

I owned a 2010 FN2 as my daily car until it was written off (not my fault) a few weeks ago. I loved it but really never appreciated how well everything was put together for the driver until i've had to go looking for another car. The clutch was perfectly positioned and with a really low bite. Most people think that driving one of these would teach you lots of bad habits as if you were just ragging it around all day, but i think the opposite is true; you learn much better control with these clutches (even though mine squeaked a bit) and have to change gears more accurately if you want a smoother ride..... or you could just leave in it 2nd and drive around in vtec all day lol. Much prefer VTEC to turbo too. Tempted to just buy another one.

[@traceurGeorge]

2 years on and what did you do? I’m really really keen on getting a type r, looking at one for about 5.5k, which isn’t too bad, have seen nicer ones go for cheaper. I’m buying the car as a daily driver rhat I can have fun in too, I don’t have much of a long commute at all, but can’t help telling myself I’ll regret it for the poor mpg - something that shouldn’t be an issue with a hot hatch I know, but is it really as bad as I’ve been told about?

[@design-dwg5785]

@@traceurGeorge What did i do? I had a baby and had to buy a sensible car with 5 doors..... and I absolutely hate it lol. I seriously considered getting another FN2 as a second car because you can get them so cheap now but after the last 2 years of not really having to drive anywhere, I couldn't justify it. If I didn't have a kid I think i'd get another one to be honest. Yes, it's fun to drive but it's also really good value for what it is, good building quality, massive boot space and i just love the way it looks. Plus, they have good reputations for reliability generally so buying an older one for a cheap price is less risky as long as it's from a dealer. MPG isn't great but in reality we're just talking about filling up a bit more regularly. For comparison; my work at the time was about 30 miles across London everyday so 60 miles per day everyday minimum. Generally i would have a full tank on Monday morning and then have to fill up on Friday after work every week. In a average car i'd probably get another day out of it....... but then that would mean I'd be driving a crap car that i couldn't car less about and i'd be miserable. Unless you're burning around in V-Tec all day then, personally, i didn't think it was THAT bad. What i actually really HATED was the road tax - used to cost me £285 a year and it'd probably be more now!

[@traceurGeorge]

@@design-dwg5785 ah cheers for the reply mate, congratulations on the baby too. You're right about the commute difference, a days less fuel cost with a car that is less enjoyable to drive is a very good point. I guess I've got the usual anxiety of buying a new car! Cheers

[@design-dwg5785]

@@traceurGeorge There's also another point that I forgot to mention: compliments from random strangers. I know it shouldn't be something to be bothered about......... but it kind of feels good for the ego lol. Sure, it's not a Porsche or a Ferrari and you're not going to get Instagram models throwing themselves at you everytime you drive to Tesco, but when I had mine I had a surprising amount of random people (all blokes) coming up to me in car parks and saying "sick car dude" - and mine was basically a stock red 2010 CTR. I'm not a petrol head but I think there's something of a "Honda club" and it's kind of nice that people actually go out of their way to say nice things about your car. I even remember getting into a 10 minute conversation with the postman about it because he loved his FN2 and just wanted to share. You don't get that with a Ford Focus. Basically, just get one before you have kids mate!

[@traceurGeorge]

@@design-dwg5785 hahaha yeah believe me I plan to, but their price has sky rocketed some in the last year or so. Plenty of car garages, milking every penny they can out of what they're selling. Additionally, a huge amount on the market with poor service history and even worse MOT checks! Cheers

[@Knackebrodz]

Good video. I think the FN2 is a fun car that is also useful as a daily.

[@FNLEW]

Very solid review mate. Nice to see such a professional job so early in a channel. Keep it up 👍🏻

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you mate glad you enjoyed!

[@lister817]

Went from a audi s4 4.2 v8 money pit and swapped for my fn2 best car ever! Got it mapped and has 4 map functions now 225 na. No problems and done track days

[@80skid83]

Great move

[@jboi9309]

I bought a new EP3 back in 2005.. had it for 9yrs love it then it was written off.. Bought a champ white FN2 nice car but can't compare to the EP3.. EP3 much more raw... Kept the FN2 for 3 years and then went over to an Astra J VXR.. and it's true.. before owning a turbo you gotta drive a NA.. And if I am honest, I do prefer a NA to turbo.. much more of a drivers car.. but I do miss my revs and vetec...

[@adrianbunyard6015]

I have a late fn2 with the lsd and I have too say I am impressed. It handles very well indeed despite claims they dont and it might not be the fastest but it's far from slow and these things are usually mega reliable. I have had a Mégane r26 230, bmw m135i, astra vxr, focus st 2.5 and I can tell you the civic is easily the most fun, cheapest too run and easily the most reliable. These days we are spolied with 300 bhp hatches and obviously cars like the fn2 won't ever complete in a straight line but take my word for it, get one, map it and do a few breathing mods and you will be very surprised how quick it is.

[@tanweermahomed3464]

In a similar boat right now, owned an ek9, went to a R56 cooper s cause I wanted some boost, having some issues with her, definitely thinking of going back to the power of dreams considering a FN2 Type R, thanks for the awesome review👌

[@bluenose007]

Had R56 cooper s swapped for FN2 no regrets much better and a great boot

[@ukbri487]

You get lovers and haters for everything that's just life, I have a NHB fn2 and I know it's not the best hot hatch or even the best type r but for me I love how it looks and is plenty fast enough,,, for now. I may well upgrade to the fk2 in the future but I'm not in a rush, good review though.

[@Ironman_2177]

I've owned my Fn2 for five years now, it's solid no mechanical problems with it at all. I also own a Fk2 which I purchased to be used as a daily but to be honest I use the Fn2 more. I put it down to the induction sound and driving environment. Fk2 is a very good car the torque will give you a headache and a big grin, All the best !

[@alphatrion100]

I love how it looks. I enjoy how it looks every time i walk up to it.

[@alphatrion100]

8 to 15000 euro for a type r here in Holland. You have an almost exact lookalike of this car called type s with a 1.8 or 1.4 i-vtec. You can get those for 5 to 7000

[@classiccarfinder]

Fn2 is massively underrated. Nice spec daily steers like a go kart the engine is perhaps last of the Na greats and imo reminded me of the last of the true British touring cars when you look at the front

[@cyasoonbro]

Owned mine for 2.5 years now, have a gruppe M intake & Invidia g200 catback, definitely need hondata soon though

[@80skid83]

I had flash pro in mine with group n map. It went like a rocket

[@CommunistMonster]

@7:19 *Incredibly loud induction noise from the hks intake* goes to shot of the exhaust 😂

[@dailycricdose3249]

Such high quality content I'm surprised with how little subs you have

[@CarswithJay]

Glad you enjoyed! Only started last month so hopefully onwards and upwards!

[@WPTUNED]

It's all about that engine!! 🙌🏻

[@CarswithJay]

It is fantastic! Honda have done an incredible job creating the K20 series.

[@mylesgoward5954]

The last Civic I drove was the 1.6 deisel 16 plate and loved it, I'm debating about buying this car right now, Seen a few I do really like.

[@itsallrobbish]

That’s a great car, too, for different reasons. I have just bought a 17 plate, blind, cos that’s the way cars are bought at the moment. I can’t fault it, it’s that good and 69mpg, but has a fair bit of torque. I said I’d never get a diesel, but this one is the exception to the rule. I think the Fn3 is really underrated.

[@bobbyj7826]

Good review, had one for 6 years and it was spot on TBF other common faults is 3rd gear syncro issues and roof rust along the front 👍🏻

[@pauledmonds3249]

That is a very good review. You clearly know about driving dynamics and how to assess a car's characteristics. I find the Type R an extremely good drivers car with a massive feel good factor mainly because of the amazing steering feel, handling and grip levels on decent rubber. The torque is disappointing but if you are prepared to drive it like a 2 stroke motorcycle and ride the power band then its fairly rapid. No need for 600 bhp these days.

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you Paul for such a positive review. I agree with your comments and thank you for taking the time to watch!!

[@Fulop_Szilard]

OMG that lovely sound at 4:51 :D

[@gwen0437]

Fair f..ks bud a real review for real car people😎😎😎😎

[@aut0maniak]

I kind of understand you ..my mother have only one jazz 2019 elegance trim in czech republic so it's quite rare experience

[@jamesbuckingham77]

I would probably say if you want a second car - go for the EP3, if you want a daily go for an FN2.

[@CarswithJay]

Agreed!

[@80skid83]

True

[@alangordon2511]

I own both fn2 has a better interior and feels more solid The ep3 is a lot more fun in the corners and definitely feels a lot faster

[@itsallrobbish]

Nice informative video. Really well thought out, with good video work, and I like the interaction with the owner, a thoroughly good job...subbed! Great cars......that includes pretty much any Honda.

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you very much for watching and for the kind words! Hoping to release more videos soon!

[@robertcolebrooke7557]

A nice well rounded review. Surprised you don’t have that many subs. Well here have 1 more

[@nomessininc.]

Such a nice colour, never seen it before.

[@FE55ELT]

Yh the blue ones came out towards the end of production very rare to come by especially the type r ones.

[@80skid83]

Blue is nice and exclusive

[@80skid83]

My favourite colour is red , when clean it looks amazing

[@meltedMatt1]

Best review I've seen for an FN2 👍

[@CarswithJay]

Wow thank you for watching glad you enjoyed!!

[@sampowell3465]

Your wrong about the MPG, mid 40s on a motorway would be difficult, if at all possible... I always average 30 - 33 on a motorway run, between 20 and 30 around town depending on how much vtec i give it...

[@CarswithJay]

Correct I was to generous with MPG. Rookie mistake good spot! Thanks for watching though :)

[@sampowell3465]

Good video man! Im having a mental debate with myself wether to sell the FN2 and buy my 3rd EP3 or not and stumbled on the video .... subbed

[@erikstiborek6973]

Great video, for a look and for a hearing as well. Greetings from Slovakia. ; ) Please let me ask you - I´m seriously thinking about buying the FN2, but opinions about very stiffness of the stock suspension setup make me a little bit of afraid. Is that really so bad for a daily use, as some of other owners says? : ) Thank you.

[@rossalexander9598]

Enjoyed this vid, thank you. I had an FN2 first when they came out in ‘07. Loved it, until clarkson stigmatised them in the infamous top gear review. 🤣 traded in for a Focus ST soon after, but I did miss the CTR

[@Deeky76]

Clarkson is a tool, He knows cars like i know astrophysics

[@richardward5762]

Take the interior out, lol. Yes it's a heavier car but with much more equipment and the engine is tuned differently to the ep3, the vtec kicks in a 1000 revs sooner. 0-60 and top speed is the same

[@davidcollin7466]

people say these cars are heavy but there only -1267kgs so thats -63kgs more than a ep3 -1204kgs !and almost-100kgs lighter than any of the other cars in its class like the golf GTI -1336kgs or the focus ST-1362kgs or the renault megan RS -1375kgs these are all 2008 cars ! so the this car is heavy seems a bit stupid when with all the modern tec its way lighter than every car in its class !!!!!!!

[@TheRhodes76]

Excellent review mate 🤗

[@CarswithJay]

Thank you very much!!

[@hamiltoniscrap]

Great review thinking about buying one now

[@dariusdarabant6232]

Is it worth buying an FN2 Type R in 2020, like, aren't they a bit old? I am a bit concerned about the reliability since they are a bit old now. Thanks!

[@CarswithJay]

I think so. My friend who's car is featured in this video has still got his and is now dailying it. Approx 40 mile round trip 5 days a week and its behaving itself. Yes newer cars have better comforts but its not hard to upgrade the head unit in this car for Apple car play or Android auto. They're are quite a few good examples for sale, but always set aside some money for major repairs if needed.

[@1968leg]

I got one this year with 100k on the clock but fsh. Drives like a new car. No creaks, knocks or bangs. Even with the seriously firm suspension.

[@davidcollin7466]

ive got a fn2 done 90 thousand miles still feels like new my friend has got a fn2 thats done 230 thousand miles and its still running strong and never broke down on him all he does is service it ! his mrs has a mini cooper s thats 8years newer done 30t thousand miles leaking oil breaks down a lot and now needs a new timing chain so you do the maths !!

[@Teddymac86]

Chat shit about the mpg more like 30 max lol

[@JackScarlett1]

Good vid mate,, interesting and well shot. I'm driving one of these for a video this weekend!

[@CarswithJay]

I'll keep an eye out! Let me know how it goes dude!

[@rosserd1234]

Absolutely gutted for you sorry that it happened to you,best of luck getting everything sorted out

[@jamesbuckingham77]

Just one thing to pick up on which you mentioned a lot - how do you left foot brake in a manual car....

[@CarswithJay]

Quite easily actually. Provided you are comfortable within the rev range, you can keep the car in gear apply braking pressure with your left foot as you depress the accelerator (ever so slightly) in order to unsettle the car. This can give you amazing turn in when cornering!

[@TregTube]

A standard FN2 driven by identical drivers will beat a standard EP3. I’ve spent the last 8 years commuting at 140mph on an A road in one.

[@JonoLam]

Are the indicators on the opposite side like most euro cars? since the fn2 was intended for euro market?

[@CarswithJay]

This particular car has had the indicators on the mirrors wrapped in an orange tint. Owners preference.

[@MrSmith130]

@@CarswithJay what's that got to do with the original question?

[@CarswithJay]

@@MrSmith130 just re-read the question I misinterpreted it originally. Indicator was on the left side I think?

[@richardd8352]

Mid forties mpg 🤣 dream on. Mine does 28 - 31 on a long cruise.

[@mitchellwolf69]

not true! i have a 59 plate facelift, but i dont have a lsd. as far as i am aware, lsd came in halfway through the 60 plate, apart from the champ white, which all had them.

[@pussinboots1145]

Models made from 1 March 2010 had LSDs fitted as standard.

[@simiqz]

how have you only got that many subs wow, nice vid.

[@defiantj975]

Should just get the integra type R. Same engine and looks 100 times better.

[@Knackebrodz]

So can you explain what is so special and amazing about the Integra apart from any other car, that makes it 100 times better looking?

[@tomnorris1734]

I wouldn't want an integra as a daily. Great on a track or as a fast road car but too twitchy / stiff / highly strung for day to day use. Id have an fn2 as a daily though. Much more mature & grown up car. Also I wouldn't be worried about it when it's parked somewhere like a supermarket.

[@alphatrion100]

This civic is way more modern and really cool looking as a 3 door coupe. Never really liked the 5door 2006 to 2008 though

[@bojack3827]

Great video!

[@daogenify]

Its rare for a reason, that colour is horrendous. Good car and a good review! :)

[@diogodrumssilva]

What do you mean 5k for a fn2!?! In Portugal is 25k to 30k for a goodish one!

[@alphatrion100]

8 to 15000 for a type r here in Holland. You have almost exact lookalike of this car called type s with a 1.8 or 1.4 i-vtec. You can get those for 5 to 7000

[@sugarrfree]

Love these civics but... the paint on them is soo thin its actually shocking.. hate the car for that, otherwise great cars 👍 whats “killin” this car on uk roads? Road tax £325 a year!!!

[@V111HRD]

Excellent info thankyou

[@arunly9061]

I love my fn2 😎

[@80skid83]

Same and had it 4 years .

[@lucia201189]

Had one for 6 years difficult car to live with and drive daily but great engine Ride quality is extremely crashy fuel economy is not the greatest visibility out the back terrible At 70 mph the engine is doing nearly 3500 rpm in 6th gear

[@carlsayer9759]

Subbed, makes me want to swap my Diamond White ST150 with 45k miles on for one!!

[@js2000honda]

Good review 🔥🔥

[@jordan4541]

Is that exhaust stock?

[@TherymasterWidnes]

Jeez Jay, you’re a barrel of laughs aren’t you!

[@hashas459]

the type r is beautiful, vtec is amazing but if you turbo this car it's a beast.... Had a ep3 was very fun but very old now. Looking at this video to get a fn2 and to turbo it, the Lexus is not doing it for me.

[@djuraster]

the whole point is naturally aspirated engine

[@CarswithJay]

Turbo is certainly taking this car into the next level! But upgrades like cams, inlet porting, free flowing exhaust etc.. can enhance the N/A response and power of the engine. Albeit it certainly not as financially viable going that route, but its just as fun with forced induction!

[@UndergroundDubstep]

Long shot, but have you made videos for Dub Customs before? Swear I recognise your face.

[@CarswithJay]

Yes good spot! Also featured on Boosted, B7TMY, TGE TV and Life of Tom.

[@UndergroundDubstep]

@@CarswithJay Do you happen to remember from the 2017 BBQ, pointing out for a silver Ford Fiesta to be moved whilst in the US Cop car? Well, yeah, that was mine....LOL

[@johncanavan4060]

Don't suppose you know what lower front lip is fitted to that one?

[@CarswithJay]

Just a universal splitter from eBay. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rubber-Strip-Splitter-Lip-Skirt-Protector-For-Car-Front-Bumper-100-Universal-/122884058469?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49292 Thanks for watching!!

[@johncanavan4060]

@@CarswithJay thanks man, it looks really good on it

[@debatable8749]

Is the exhaust on this stock? It sounded mad when he was downshifting

[@CarswithJay]

Stock exhaust but the HKS induction kit does make it sound a lot louder. Its very front end loud this car, you don't get much noise from the rear

[@debatable8749]

CarswithJay can you still “make an entrance” with the front end sound?

[@CarswithJay]

@@debatable8749 You most definitely can. But a little exhaust mod wouldn't hurt if your going for sound.

[@ShiftXracing]

It sound sooo good I have one and vtec is real

[@ShiftXracing]

Thank you for hilighting my comment

[@tyronejoule7688]

Was it a standard exhaust on it dude?

[@CarswithJay]

Standard exhaust dude but he has a HKS induction kit installed up front

[@SuperBlaze117]

That air intake is not factory haha. The stock Fn2 does not sound that good

[@CarswithJay]

I am certain I mentioned it was a HKS intake. But if I didn't then it has a HKS intake. Thanks for watching!

[@ChelseaFan-gh6fk]

Stock exhaust?

[@CarswithJay]

All stock! HKS induction helps with the noise. Thanks for watching!

[@thecarshow5035]

Very interesting

[@Icarusflyingclub]

They made only a few of them because it is not everyones cup of tea. It looks like a type S model.

[@CarswithJay]

Its very understated but probably something most would have never seen before or will see

[@MrSmith130]

A few of them? Type Rs? They made a lot of them.

[@pussinboots1145]

Over 12,000 Civic Type Rs were sold in the UK since January 2007,

[@80skid83]

Unless he means the colour? Yes type r and s are similar looking

[@khalidhasan4461]

Nice car

[@mawganandrew6136]

I personally prefer black rather than sapphire blue but I understand it gives more of an sophisticated look

[@CarswithJay]

Its like seeing a blue Ferrari, different, refreshing. Black is a good looking color on this car also!

[@80skid83]

Mine is black, I would say the best colour is red and black probably 2nd. Not into the champ white models, however some do look nice

[@joby4575]

How isit to reverse

[@CarswithJay]

Very noisy

[@joby4575]

@@CarswithJay can you not see much I mean in them cars out the back window

[@arthuritchybollix5064]

I made some soup on lockdown eaten half a pan and just farted it fucking stinks

[@richardward5762]

Average 35 - 38 to the gallon, no chance

[@80skid83]

Mine is in the 20s

[@atrothe]

good review but terrible audio levels.

[@CarswithJay]

Check my new stuff. All sorted 👍🏽

[@pawe8713]

10:48 und a watah

[@gvainola]

this thing does not have vtec? since i heard that ep3 was last vtec civic

[@CarswithJay]

This car does in fact have VTEC just like the EP3.

[@jasonboyle7203]

I-vtec it is newer than say ek9 Jordan

[@nelc2399]

FD2R still the better and best

[@CarswithJay]

Luckily my next review is of an FD2 Type R! Spoiler its absolutely incredible!!!

[@trevorsanders5303]

Why do car reviewers insist on ruining thier videos with shit music? 🙄🙄

[@CarswithJay]

I agree this wasn't a great choice of music. But it was 3 years ago and I have changed my style since then :) Thanks for watching!

[@OperatorMitch]

bollocks, you cannot get mid 40s in these on the motorway :p

[@MrDirkles]

Well according to the trip computer you can but i'm not sure how accurate that is. Typically i get 33 mpg and a few miles less in winter. On a straight run at 60 mph with just me in the car i've had 47 mpg over a 100 mile trip. Before my fn2 i had a 1.8 petrol focus. The fn2 uses less petrol than that bloody thing doing the same journey.

[@rrplanb4030]

agreed MY FN1 1.8 si 2010 can't get 40mpg motorway. So I doubt a FN2 K20 can.

[@rrplanb4030]

@@MrDirkles 60mph is not Motorway speed

[@MrDirkles]

@@rrplanb4030 it is if you're my age ;)

[@rrplanb4030]

@@MrDirkles You should get the 2.2 Diesel mate.

[@lister817]

get a drop in filter on original airbox them hot air cones suck hot air in and others lose about 20bhp

[@CarswithJay]

Your right! But that HKS sounds awesome!

[@okb2234]

dude you should have way more subs, jump on TikTok or something and increase your following

[@ryanm3021]

Dc5 is way better than that fn2 ,

[@duncangraham7357]

All DC5's have been abused and are well dated by now.

[@itzzaster]

Duncan Graham this is much more dated as a dc5. Also if it is true that dc5s have been abused I can guarantee these have been too.

[@80skid83]

They're dated. But around ep3 era , then yes the dc5 was way more superior

[@raymondnoodels7775]

They suck...the damn wing is threw the back window.