What Difference Do Coilovers Actually Make To Ride And Handling?

[@Retexz]

Please change the power steering fluid to a fresh one, it’s a night and day difference!! No delay anymore and easier to place the car. I’ve done that to my own e46 coupe. Thumbs up so he can see!

[@momanskiakabiffbuz6004]

Retexz did it to my mk4 GTI. Did nothing tbh, but I heard that in some cases it could help. Changing all the other fluids would be helpful, too...

[@totisa93]

He needs to change the blinker fluid. Instant 1 second improvement I guarantee

[@tokirak]

needs some carbon fiber blinker fluid for sick weight reduction

[@frozenpete788]

You are right in the way that p/s fluid is important on these, but the delay and smoothness is just a feeling. The steering wheel is connected to the rack, so nothing can change the phase of the steering wheel to the rack except if you have a torn coupler. But yeah p/s fluid change is a must and the pump and rack will be happier (and start to leak out also, but ..)

[@mariuszanfir2298]

The steering ratio remains the same regardless if you have good fluid, bad fluid or no fluid at all. You probably had air pockets in your system, which made the steering effort inconsistent, hence the sensation that it now steers quicker. However, you're right about keeping the fluid nice and clean. It's a must!

[@MuffinRacing]

It's rare to see a coilover install video mention corner weighting. Proper job

[@Z4G.]

fyeah spec approved

[@MrRedstoner]

I was slightly worried when Alex asked what to do after install and the answer was only Realign

[@wooburn_off]

That suspension bloke could sell ice to eskimos

[@blower1]

I think eskimo's would prefer an EV

[@benchasinghorizons9428]

Dan Rockell intelligence wins

[@grimmysvids]

He was so condescending. Even more than our man here trying his hardest to sell Eibach Coilovers. Don't forget, Eibach Coilovers. Eibach Coilovers. Available at the car throttle website now Eibach Coilovers. Eibach Coliovers.

[@blower1]

Your Eibach Coilovers will be delivered by a van, a van that run's on Shell V-Powah!!! :D

[@SuprSi]

Uh, I thought he was explaining about those coilovers very well, and it's not exactly brand specific stuff he's on about. That part with him explaining is in the video for our benefit because it's very important info to know if you're looking to upgrade. Not being condecending or salesman ish.

[@HumbleMechanic]

So many cars with poor suspension setups. This is one place to make sure it's done right and where you don't want to cheap out. Great video as always guys

[@chricol]

Cool to see one youtuber that I follow acknowledging another. @humblemechanic your explanatory vids are awesome as well! Thumbs up to you!

[@KaidudeHasanSarfaraz]

I went to this place for a tire sublimation and they drained all of my blinker fluid without my consent and then charged me for it. Never going there again.

[@HumbleMechanic]

Kaidude1234 Hasan Sarfaraz crooks! 😂

[@HumbleMechanic]

Chris Coleiro thank you so much for the support. 💙💙

[@patrickwhitehead7584]

Good on you for commenting on here and supporting another German diesel enthusiast!

[@harrisonsiegel9536]

Let's hope he's using Shell V-Power. (This is a sponsored comment)

[@onemanarmyEST]

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[@nickt5978]

Even my cat uses Shell V-Power, for optimum speed and explosive power. (This is a sponsored comment.)

[@carlosmarquez2898]

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[@acidofil]

Shell V-Power was used even in Discovery Space Shuttle, its by far the best fuel out there. (This is a sponsored reply to a comment)

[@Jepysauce]

I love these meme comments, but not as much as my car LOVES running on Shell V-Power. It's personally crawled in my bed in my sleep and told me that it prefers SHELL V-POWER over any other fuel! Amazing! (This is a V-Power reply to a V-Power)

[@BrendenPragasam]

Give this car to Garreth when you are done... He deserves it

[@s19pajua13]

Brenden Pragasam yes

[@DanialA11]

Definetly

[@08680868]

Nooo, give it to me my name is Garreth too

[@MuffinRacing]

That dual spring concept is pretty neat.

[@alexkersten1964]

Yeah, you actually do notice it while driving.

[@rejoicerone3176]

Porsche uses dual springs on the GT3 i think, called helper springs

[@daniel27560]

Muffin Racing yea my mk4 gti has st coilovers with the same setup

[@georgebowyer5170]

Yeah the only place iv see those before was the ariel nomad

[@PoptartKingz]

It's really just to stop the stiffer spring from free floating in full droop

[@dbnpoldermans4120]

Those damn keys,haha. Is it juts me? I would go mad. How can you race like that? Losing those will shed 0.10 a second off, because you will be able to concentrate better.

[@RM-qm6op]

Dbn Poldermans That's exactly what I was thinking, my car key has no other keys or key rings on it because they are annoying.

[@Luxneonify]

I noticed that since the first episode... Its just so annoying :D

[@eisina6640]

0,1

[@dbnpoldermans4120]

A tip for all you car guys. Use a tie-wrap to secure your house key to your car key. I have it tightened so that my car key is now twice as long. Advantages: 01 no more bs sound 02 there will be no keys drilling into your knee 03 slide more easily into your pocket and will never be bulky Let me know if you ever try it I invented it!

[@emilyw3192]

Lee Benstead It is mostly a girl thing but for me I can't stand them, plus I'm so short that the key ring would smack my knee when I'm driving so no ridiculous pink fairy pom pom shits over here 😂

[@crunchynutcornflakes]

I think it would be really interesting to see how these coilovers compare against new OEM parts

[@katsaras1]

I just want to see this project going to the max. Not only wheels and exhaust and coilovers. Let's some real mods and turn that into a real track weapon!

[@givemeajackson]

just as a quick aside, i really appreciate how much of an effort you make to pronounce foreign names properly. your "Eibach" was pretty much spot on

[@alexkersten1964]

Being half German, you'd hope so ;)

[@KP3droflxp]

Although I know that you can speak German, it always catches me off guard when you pronounce something like Eibach perfectly

[@acchaladka]

I think that only applies to German things. He never says the proper “Matsuda” for Mazda, or “GFFFFHGHFTRAAAAARGGHH!!!!” for the US brand “GM”.

[@rogerj412]

In Alex's defense most people don't use the pronunciation Matsuda when referring to Mazda.

[@dieglhix]

What about Texas

[@stephen3164]

I think there's more you can do with suspension. Upgrade the sways and end links. Put the rear on a softer setting to reduce oversteer. You might also consider adding some negative camber to the fronts, as the tire really is leaning past its contact point under hard cornering. Your tow in/out settings will assist in either initial turn in or stability - depending on how you set it up. When it comes down to it, no matter what mod you do to your suspension or engine, the only part of the car actually touching the road is your tires - which is why many people start there.

I was thinking "I am gonna watch an old car throttle video as they haven't uploaded anything" And when I pressed the search button a notification from you guys just came out of nowhere I love you guys

[@alexkersten1964]

Yessss!

Alex Kersten can't believe you've just responded... My life is complete

[@dankrets2961]

You are wrecking the car samir

[@DaveAngelic]

I had the same feeling when Alex answered me 2 times on Instagram when I asked him for advice. He answered 9 days later but damn HE ANSWERED and that made me feel important once :D

Dan Krets hrm .. What car?

[@fossilfueled27]

Great video, but the most interesting part was the conversation with the Eibach manager - really interesting stuff! I'm glad it seems like you're doing everything bit by bit in this series too, so we can see how each variable affects the lap time.

[@Mr_preemo]

Seriously, I said this before and I’ll say it again, Alex should get hired for Top gear and use episodes like this to maintain their viewership. Great job as always

[@CrazyDutchguys]

Nah, carthrottle should be the next Top Gear

[@ajmeipalu1051]

Maybe a Grand Tour celebrity face off ''Fastest Alex that has a KZbin chnnel''

[@97I30T]

Aj Meipalu I like that idea.

[@RaymondLo84]

Never seen Alex that quiet :> Either he was listening very carefully or he was not sure what to say? But super glad he is not some of those interviewers who just love to interrupt other’s flow!

[@GBR4ME]

First time I've heard a man who really knows what he's talking about here on YT. My sincere congratulations to Greg Kirby. Very nicely explained.

[@sandman1201]

what Greg said was actually very insightful! it gave me a great perspective on the whole "drop it as low as possible" kind of idea :-)

[@cctrollz5706]

As low as possible isn't necessarily the best case. I'd think you'd want as low as possible while still having enough suspension travel for whatever surface and speeds you're using. Like he said you don't wanna run into the bump stops.

[@jaspereerdekens3102]

Do you then know why it is that with too stiff of a spring you have inconsistent grip? (1:40)

[@louischim2000]

Jasper Eerdekens 1:40 he's referring when a tire meets a bump or road imperfections. If your springs are too stiff, it can't compress. Which means the springs will not react to the road imperfections. Thus the tires will lose contact with the ground.

[@ikebuttle360]

sandman1201 may car handed a lot better and the ride was better when my coilovers where higher up, but I’d rather have it stupid low aha

[@samphillips3405]

Nice, 2 grand suspension equals 2 tenths of a second I was expecting much less roll but the clips at the end looked almost identical

[@Fredemanner]

That would imply that the factory ones would be totalt garbage

[@RatelHBadger]

This video was fantastic, having the straight forward explanation by the manufacturer without a "salesman" pitch about why his product is best. Fully explains the characteristics of springs and what they do, soft, stiff, lowered ride height etc. No hype, just what they are going to do and what to expect from the mod.

[@islandclub69420]

Thanks for shutting up & leting the smart spring man do his thing..also only 1 advert ...lernt lots .nice ..stay humble my man .hope you have mutch success

[@DavidLumm]

Absolutely fascinating listening to the suspension expert. It's great that he's so passionate about what he does. All of that is new information to me and I really appreciated his experience.

[@OhighOSkater]

"Drenched in sweat" Shirt is completely dry lol

[@wowdogeful]

Top 10 conspiracy theories that turned out to be true

[@dxme9190]

the shirt was so much in sweat whwt it just looked dry

[@augmenseke6131]

Yeah but his ass was a swamp. Bruh it as epic like a steamy jungle full of dirty hippies.

[@the_useless_photographer]

@@augmenseke6131 a swamp haha

[@TheAdventureAuto]

I just added some cheap coilovers to my NA and it made a nice difference to the handling. I was very pleased.

[@averagebro413]

Wohoo new episode! Love these episodes sooo much. Love you Alex you muscled fat boy

[@alexkersten1964]

I'll take that as a compliment ;)

[@alve-9677]

Alex Kersten lmao

[@willywillywillywillywilly]

Alex Kersten it’s fucking NOT . . jk 😘

[@aldeen3]

Average Bro not fat at all tbh

[@hectorleon6437]

Great video and series...as an owner of a 330cd e46 it fits perfectly to me. Hunting the M with the petrol!!!

[@shona5512]

When you are going to do wheels and tyres are you going to show the difference that wheels and tires make independently or all at once? I feel like it would give a much better understanding to do them separately. Eg. Put a tyre like Michelin Pilot Sports, Toyo R888, Bridgestone Potenza ect. on the standard wheels to see how much difference good rubber makes. And then after that put the new wheels on with the same brand tyre to show how much difference less rotational mass and less unsprung weight can make a difference.

[@billowytrots8366]

There's plenty of info regarding unsprung mass on the internet if you are interested. Alex's new wheels will have altered track width, tyre width and tyre profile, making it hard to tell exactly what effect the reduced unsprung weight would have. Though when we do see the results, I'd bet that a large majority of the improvement will be from the fresh tyres alone, if that's what you're wondering.

[@shona5512]

Cole Trickle I used the tyres purely as an example of a decent tyre, doesn't matter what brand it is as long as it's a good performance tyre. The whole point of them doing this bit by bit is to show how simple modifications can make improvements to your cars. He'll probably go faster with wheels and tyres on, but it doesn't show a definitive answer as to what actually improved performance. Was it the lighter wheel with less unsprung weight, was it the grippier tyre, was it the wider wheel improving weight transfer, was it the wider tyre allowing for more grip on the driven wheels. There are lots of variables and splitting it in two would have been a better help. But that's not likely to happen since all these episodes are already made.

[@Painless1992]

I really appreciated the detailed speech of the Eibach representative about the vehicle dynamics and the correct vocabulary and the role of each thing.

[@DFWsCars]

Loved how I actually learned something about suspension. Well done.

[@DFWsCars]

also was surprised how the suspension alone really only reduced the time so slightly, which I guess goes to perhaps a more compliant suspension..

[@Dim4ik2012]

it is 3 years now, and this is still my favourite series on this channel

[@streeatbeat]

that engineer was SOOO nice to listen to. i swear he's like the British engineer version of bob ross

[@highlysuggestible861]

Cool! I drove a 2000 328i touring wagon for 4 years, I sold it to a friend 5 years ago and he still drives it today. It's now on just under 300k It was perhaps my most versatile car until a picked up an X3. I really enjoyed this video.

[@desmondmoonbear4143]

Diesel bimmer be fast

[@steve00alt70]

diesel are funner to drive :D faster too pins you on the back of your seat with that pulling power

[@TheRealBigM]

They actually just push you into the seat early.

[@krapalis]

Evry mod needed on that bish

[@Zadster]

I think there is a bit of wishful thinking here, like when your car feels faster after you just waxed it, because 0.26 seconds isn't great value for >£1500 of suspension + garage time. Body roll angle isn't massively different on the video, just that the ground clearance is lower, so there is less daylight visible. I guess you did fit a set of polyurethane bushes at the same time? If the dampers and springs were factory original, then they would have been very suboptimal at 146k miles anyway. My feeling is that coilovers have done slightly less than nothing, compared to new standard springs and dampers. The lowering is always going to be handy on track though. Have the anti-roll bars been changed? Because the way it is driving, it seems like the new rear springs are too hard, and the ARB isn't stiff enough, reducing compliance and making it lose adhesion. That's not great, especially with an open diff. The loose back end is causing oversteer which is making the turn-in feel sharper than it really is. Bring on the cabin strip, limited slip diff, sticky tyres and custom map!

[@alexkersten1964]

with sticky tyres, trust me when I say the Eibachs are worth every penny

[@CardizoneSemblance]

Also keep in mind we don't know the state of the original tires and its tread life. Add to the fact it had already been thrashed on the track a few times already I was personally was not expecting a massive improvement.The track is also very short. I'm sure over a longer track the gains will be more significant. If we compare with the IS 200 track project car: 1. Lightweight wheels and semi-slicks gained 0.85 over stock wheels and tires 2. Performance exhaust, coilovers & weight reduction gained 2.16 seconds over stock components 3. Performance brakes and buckets gained 0.84 over stock.

[@focussport]

Here's a man saying a nearly .3 second improvement over a short track from a stop is nothing, then expecting us to trust whatever else he says. The testing was done from a stop, over just three laps at what can barely be called a "track". The increased control, confidence and handling would no doubt add to much more time found after a real session of hot lapping around a real circuit. It also serves as a base to support future mods like tires and brakes. Tell me you've never raced cars without telling me.

[@15DEAN1995]

Kinda surprised the suspension was the first upgrade you made. The tyres wouldve been an easier upgrade and i think wouldve better shown the difference of the suspenion upgrade.

[@LeFatalpotato]

Well, you can always go suspension>wheels>tires but when you buy a set of tires for these specific wheels it's done. He could have gone for a wheel+tire combo before the coilovers, but then the 4'' drop could be problematic if he's he got too big of wheels, in terms of fitting and geometry.

[@kyleb5518]

LeFatalpotato no real reason to do wheels, you loose a few lbs on a light set but you then loose momentum which is important coming out of corners, and even a quality wheel like a wolf race is made out of cheese compared to a wheel as quality as a bimmer oem wheel

[@GaragemdoBuda]

I really thought it would be a little more difference... but i'm happy you guys showed the true result. Cheers from Brazil

[@danieljordannicol9937]

That guy is really passionate about his job. Really good to see and it reflects in eibachs coilovers!

[@rockervdrive]

Wow, loads of valuable information about suspension and setup. My friends and I learned the hard way when we were teens by trying different spring and shock combinations and figuring out what worked and what did what. Lots of money spent. Take notes younger generations! Alignment is a whole different game.

[@xSleeper.]

i think ECU tune would make a big diffrents

[@peterzingler6221]

Like_a_Sleeper dangerous and a no no without improvet cooling in on track use

[@SimpleTimeSamF]

it depends, a conservative tune won’t hurt. additionally they can easily get some better cooling in the car

[@chrisg4rr377]

Like_a_Sleeper if the tyres are already loosing grip then a tune isn't the way to go

[@xSleeper.]

well he deffinitly change the tyres but with a ECU tune he would get the Diesel torque to accelarete quick after corners :) Black Smoke incom.

[@SimpleTimeSamF]

Yeah, grip is one thing but Alex already got new tires(off vid), so, if they’re not planning any power mods and only things such as suspension, tires, weight reduction - a tune is the easiest way to get some extra power into the car. I know the older BMW engines are easy to tune without putting too much load, its not hard to achieve about +30kw and some extra torque.

[@madboy8761]

Ive got these coilovers on my golf and saw so much difference in the amount of body roll, really good coilovers!

[@averagebro413]

BTW Alex where is your m3 lemon? We loved that car. You sold it?

[@bassdakro969]

Yeah he got rid of it because the E36 was causing bankruptcy.

[@averagebro413]

Slid Wheel typical BMW 😀

[@izaimariusz1]

Slid Wheel really?

[@bassdakro969]

Average Bro I know that's the problem with every German sport cars.

[@bassdakro969]

Thekrygaming _ yeah he even did a video about it, it's kinda sad really.

[@wayniexagt]

just imagine what a freeflow exhaust air intake / chip and a bit more boost will do .. but i am glad to see that you are doing the mods in the correct order .... making it handle and stop better before making it go faster .... the young crowd could learn from this . keep up the good work mate

[@SDV-RX]

i assume it uses shell V-power

[@qiqeh]

Do not forget the sway bars to improve the suspension. A cheap mod that makes a big difference on the track.

[@davemike1010]

Alex, car throttle is what i live for atm,🤗🤗😘

[@alexkersten1964]

Awesome!

[@j.a.citadel3258]

Alex you are my new hero. Every time I watch a video of yours it reminds me of top gear in its prime. Thankfully I won't lose you like I did the trio. Keep up the great work.

[@yahyasajid5113]

Anyone remember the top gear episode where they converted a 330D into a touring car and did a 24h race with the stig and the trio kzbin.info/www/bejne/gX-1ga2Dnqulhck Edit: I have I idea, why not try to beat top gear's time at Silverstone

[@KasamS]

I remember, hamster fell asleep at the wheel and went off the track or hit some1

[@ACplanet]

Larsen biscuits

[@TheJomeister]

which season and which episode number is this?

[@KasamS]

TheJomeister searh top gear e46 24hr and it should come up

[@JamesAllen300]

he hit a Mosler MT900

[@martin72345]

Finally a video that feels like the car throttle that I started off liking. back to making addictive videos :)

[@paulglombitza658]

Alex:I don't want to go over 4 thousand RPM Every Honda owner ever: W-WTF?

[@jirig525]

Diesel says hello

[@Josh-cw8by]

More torque @ 1k RPM than a honda at 8k

[@anthonybelton-ford3124]

Josh torque is meaningless without BHP.

[@DaveAngelic]

Anthony Belton-Ford this BMW have more

[@Josh-cw8by]

It's all what you like to drive, Anthony. I prefer my vehicles to have a lot of low end torque for the city. I wouldn't purchase a car with less than 200ft pounds of torque.

[@jayr9240]

Purchased a set of BC coilovers for my E46 last night. Nice seeing a new vid cover the change a day later.

[@OscarLeeMX]

Isn't an oversteering rear a sign that the springs are too stiff? I don't think the suspension changes actually made much of a difference, since they weren't that significant. Maybe go for BTCC style camber, stiffness and ride height and there may be greater improvements. And my goodness, those new rims are vomit-inducing.

[@mariuszanfir2298]

That or not enough camber. Fortunately, e46s have camber adjustment on the rear, so that can be dialed in rather easily. Unfortunately, the camber is not adjustable on the front as well, unless you put in some camber plates or, the cheap/ghetto way, add some shims to the lower mounting point of the damper. I'm mentioning the front camber, as e36/e46 love a lot of camber. Ideally, for track use, you need to run something like -3 degrees which, this coilover setup surely doesn't provide.

[@r129r16pfl]

Agree you need -3 or more on the front, -0.6 is horrible

[@mariuszanfir2298]

To be honest, I don't know why it changed so little. Maybe the right height is not that different from stock? On my e36, when I installed the classical combo Bilstein + Eibach Pro Kit, I had something like -1.2 on the front. I did have the excentric M3 control arm bush, but I'm not sure that changes the camber in any way or if it actually improves something. I had huge caster afterwards, so I assumed it helped with that. The shop sent the wrong part and I went with it hoping that it will help :P

[@r129r16pfl]

Also note that e46 330d toring is heavy as f*ck

[@Vykk_Draygo]

Or it could be that he just need better tires to take advantage of the new setup.

[@stuntmanwill]

The Eibach guy is great, knows his stuff with out being big headed! Legend!

[@ashman0071]

this Eibach rep has the knowledge and explains it very well...but you're going to have to go to stiffer anti-sway bars and grippier compound tires to see a significant improvement....and those stiffer sway bars will result in much more 'head toss' .......you think a company with a Billion Dollar R&D budget can't tune your car's suspension for the best trade off between ride and handling ........ ? Also, aren't they almost $2,000 when you consider tax, and installation adds even more - that's insane......

[@rightthen.3243]

Agree, the car looks harder to drive to me

[@erwanreyzal3347]

I've thrown PS4s (not 4S) on my E46 and it's absolutely stunning. Works so well with track torture

[@MetalTiger88]

somehow i just feel the urge to buy some eibach coilovers now...>_>

[@soundseeker63]

Nice job, those coilovers seem pretty neat. Though personally I'd have done the wheels and tyres first to see how much could be gained there, then done the coilovers. I'm thinking a good set of wheels at tyres might save you more time, though the subjective feel and responses of the car would be improved more with the coilovers.

[@ThaDutchDK1989]

6:10 wait he is a suspension specialist and says to use spacers to get wider track, only did he forgot that if u use spacers you make eventualy the wishbone longer and so a longer arm. if you make a longer arm it can more easliy compress and so make the suspension softer and the car can roll more. its just better to use wider wheels with maybe a different offset. spacers are just the the most stupid thing to add to your trackcar. and dont forget to reinforce the subframe cause its still a e46.. bmw people understand me.

[@DontStopReeling]

well yea lol, it fucks up the SAI

[@yogummler]

Also if you widen the track too much, you adjust the scrub radius, which most "tuners" haven't even heard of, to such an extent, that the car becomes undriveable. It won't want to go in a straight line and it's probably going to fly off the road and kill you under heavy braking.

[@TheSilviu8x]

yogummler, could you please elaborate on this one?

[@yogummler]

thesilviu silviu "An advantage of a negative scrub radius is that the geometry naturally compensates for split µ (mu) braking, or failure in one of the brake circuits. It also provides center point steering in the event of a tire deflation, which provides greater stability and steering control in this emergency." If you widen that track too much the scrub radius can become positive and then the car can become extremely dangerous under emergency braking

[@lordgibbness]

A low offset wheel is exactly the same as a higher offset wheel with a hub centric spacer (from your wheel hubs point of view). There is no difference at all. I run a square setup on my M3 and use a rear spacer to account for the difference in track width between the front and rear.

[@danplamenov2415]

Hi, amazing project. As I am BMW enthusiast too I'd like to share coupe of other improvements over the stock suspension for your E46. One of them is the Lollipop bushes on the front wishbone. Easily replaceable with poly-bushes and makes a day and night difference to the steering input. Same as the rear trailing arm bushes(Go for poly-bushes). Considering the age of the vehicle they are probably shot and the rear wheel alignment is probably not very accurate anyway with a shot bushes... Also do have in mind when coilovers are installed on an E46 and hard usage such as track days the chassis do tend to crack in the back if it hasn't already. That's one thing no one tells you about... They always crack on the passenger side (UK) rear subframe bush, look around for any tiny small cracks or rust. That would indicate the layer underneath the coating is cracked and it might look like a small crack but once the coating has been removed you'll see how big it actually is.

[@411nightnheaven]

Next build maybe a yaris? 😬

[@ilovemanunited6179]

4/11nightnheaven yes, a 2zzge swap.

[@billy6690]

That would be pretty awesome

[@4runnerx_523]

Yess

[@4runnerx_523]

It has to be a 2003 model

[@aswd45-mk14]

With a dodge demon engine in the back of the car.

[@Crackdown77]

This track project is so interesting I can't wait to see the next episodes, the 330d has always attracted me so much! Don't forget to remap the ecu, I want to see what that engine is capable of. Good job!

[@temirbulatrashidov6244]

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[@chukzc2379]

Great video Car Throttle. Greg's explanation into Eibach's technology and the importance of taking into account the suspension setup is invaluable. Moarrrr plssss!

[@ardennielsen3761]

that car is not built to handle the load that those springs and shocks are putting on the spring perches and shock towers... they will crack or start to over stress the body of the car. you have to weld in reinforcement plates or the car will rip its self apart.

[@jareknowak8712]

Arden Nielsen true. Better with reinforcement.

[@CrazyDutchguys]

Yeah but itll be amazing when the car just falls apart

[@DontStopReeling]

e30 e36s e39s and e46s destroy strut and shock towers stock because of the unibody design.

[@ardennielsen3761]

even my 1994 Ford Thunder Bird had the rear shock pop a base ball sized hole in the frame on the rear and it also cracked the rear fender, it is a type of fox body car... it has several plates welded into were the shocks pushed thru the body. but then that happened because of 360'000km of hard driving and potholes, plus i think the cut springs on it put an excessive load on the shocks causing them to rip out of the fender over time.

[@janbroekmann3125]

Arden Nielsen Most people only reinforce the strut towers once they do true coilovers in the rear. But here the springs and the dampers are separately so there isn't that much more stress on the strut towers.

[@karlblower4019]

Everyday is a school day... first 6.5 minutes really interesting listening to the engineering involved

[@underscore8085]

Upgrade the anti-roll bars to reduce body role even more? ^^

[@r129r16pfl]

Get the stiffest bar you can find on the front

[@Element_y]

I pretty much plan to mirror every step taken in this series with my 330D so I'm really excited for this series

[@zanmacarol7926]

stiffen it up... still waaay to much body roll

[@lloyd.8272]

Zan Macarol Vrabec Tyres already loosing traction through hard cornering, going stiffer will only put more force through the tyre causing even less control. Tyres with a stiffer side wall should of been fitted first before adjusting the the suspension to suite.

[@zanmacarol7926]

darren lynes yes but... You cancel that out with wider and grippier tyres. Not by aloving it to roll like a transit van.

[@lloyd.8272]

Zan Macarol Vrabec You need weight transfer (body roll) to force the tyres into the road. The key is good control of the roll and having enough bump travel in reserve to keep the car settled if it encounters a bump mid corner. Totally different with track/ race cars that use aero to push the tyres into the road, they can afford to have very stiff set ups.

[@jasperfk]

Christopher Glover That’s the opposite of the truth though. If I car has less body roll there is more weight and momentum transfer through the tires, meaning less grip.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Roll didn't seem excessive, it's an improvement. Look at the old Miatas they have a ton of body roll but still handle well.

[@frankotto83]

Also use stiffer sway-bars and strut-bars front and rear. For more Camber in the Front also use some E36 M3 3.2 strut bearings. It really helped my 330d Limousine a LOT!

[@milviodeleon4421]

Car Throttle logic = put on a light weight nut, lets go test it...haha .15 faster.

[@MrKingDelight]

Dont forget to change the control arm bushings! Changed just the dampers on my 220.000km E46 330Ci for OEM Sachs together with the control arm bushings. Night and day difference.

[@espro436]

Just install bigger turbo!

[@alexstromberg7696]

Problem is that engine is the worst of all m57s, max power is like 270hp or something with maybe 600nm. Should have bought a 330d e90

[@firedude1Productions]

MOAR B0000000000000ST

[@kittf7]

Alex Strömberg u are actually wrong, the E90 has more Power, but because of eletric failure its not reliable at all and its more expensive to fix

[@alexstromberg7696]

@@kittf7 but this isn't about how long it will last tho

[@sneekeruk]

And intercooler, and nozzles... and a better clutch, and an lsd. Then youll be somewhere near 350+bhp and 700nm.

[@Roberto-dk9ms]

I'd love to also see new tires with old coilovers rather than just changing the tires as it is now. It would be interesting to see how much gain is been achieved with coilovers and how much with tires

[@turkishstig8489]

How are we going to trust you with reviews when you are sponsored and actually selling those items in the video? You seem very biased.

[@chrisdolmeth2077]

what if he only works with companies and sells things he personally backs and trusts

[@jasperfk]

Brian Smith He’s not accredited or reliable. He’s entertaining, seems like a decent bloke, but it’s not as though he’s a doctor or a qualified mechanical engineer. I don’t blame him for trying to make some cash but these video-long adverts are pretty bad. That Shell V-Power one was absolutely unwatchable.

[@marian-gabriel9518]

Brian Smith Because what he trusts is irelevant since he is not an expert on the topic and therefore cannot be trusted to make the best choices to show people how things are done...because they're, simply put, just not done this way. For example he said that those Pirelli tires are clearly overwhelmed by that extraordinary suspension setup, which is really not the case at all. Take a P1 and slam some P-Zeros on it and it will just work...(I just chose it for the P's :p ) But that's because of the fact that the P1's suspension setup is NOT just bolt on coilovers and expect it to just work on their own, or worse yet, expect the tires, no matter how good they are, to do all of the work...it just doesn't work that way yet many people think of these things as individual "mods" that work independently of the rest of the car and the experts regard them as "packages" meaning many pieces working together.

[@ThungStudios]

was thinking the same thing

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Eibach is a good brand though, there are other suspension brands that work similarly I'm sure. I like how that one had two different type of coils, some I've seen are sort of like that but basically it's a single coil but changes to spiral more near the top, which might work similarly.

[@ivorproblem1332]

I always stick Eibach springs and Bilstein B8 dampers (B12 Kit) on my Beemers along with the Eibach ARBs. Great set up.

[@steve323f]

That missing pair of pliers does not agree with my OCD 😂

[@thilolungu8655]

I actually have an e46 touring but a 320d and I have bought a few weeks ago new H&R lowered springs (haven't built em in yet) and I wasn't sure if I will feel a difference between before and after. Thanks to you I know know it wasn't a mistake buying them :)

[@antoniobmw]

3.0 i6 are the best

[@antoniotod9614]

Antonio xd nah, 3.0 tdi v6 from audi are the best sounding and perfornance diesel engines

[@antoniobmw]

Antonio tod i forgot one engine even better.. its 1.9 tdi 77kw

[@34REDCOW34]

no

[@antoniotod9614]

Antonio xd they are good performance engine, but the 3.0 tdi sound way batter!

[@chrissss696]

No V6 sounds better than the Alfa Busso

[@DreamCarGarage1]

Normally start to yarn at all that technical suspension talk but I actually found that suspension guy really interesting. Excellent episode

[@Jerrypintoswe]

Diesel power

[@tmmason10]

Love the comparison step by step with video too! Keep up the great work on this series!

[@DJ-qi4ry]

That guy really knows his stuff. Excellent video.

[@9696gamer]

I know this might be unimportant, but I applaud you on your pronounciation of "Eibach". Too many people who don't care would just say "eye-back" or something along those lines. Your pronounciation shows you care about the parts/manufacturers and their name and brand. Bravo

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Difference also depends on how well your stock suspension is sorted out! The Eibach guy did a great job explaining / selling his product. I want em.

[@damncritics]

That lecture by the Eibach GM was awesome!

[@RobHTech]

I agree with most of this; however, the spring is to hold the weight and provide movement and to push the tires to the ground, with the goal of keeping the tire contact to the ground consistent. A sock absorber is exactly what its name is and dampens the movement of the vehicle on the spring. Despite the common misconception that stiffer springs are somehow better, softer suspension setup is better at keeping the tires in contact with the ground, so long as there is enough travel. At least that's my take. Despite this, good vid.

[@davidecorazza7856]

Brilliant. Never knew about this since I’m a newbie with car things (or anything automotive for that matter 😂🙈), but it made perfect sense, especially about the bump travel being too stiff....

[@Adrianpicon]

Hey , I had this car and the best thing I did is fit there a Michelin pilot sport 4, it basically changes the car I recommend you to try it, and a good remap will put this car in 260hp and a lot of torque, I had the same one 204hp stock and it became a good sleeper

[@ViRAI_Family]

Hey Alex, additionally to your new tyres, you could reduce oversteering by reducing stiffness on your rear axle. You're also losing the grip of a complete tyre while your front left wheel jumps. Maybe you shold readjust the travel distance on the front, so you don't loose ground. Could you please explain, why you don't want to rev to the limit? Even if it's a diesel, you should rev the car to max. power (even if torque drops before), to gain maximum acceleration. However, I don't know at which rpm this point sits. Cheers

[@TheZanzaroni]

The cars in the garage at 0:42 are so awesome! Oh and Gareth is cool too

[@Terrordr]

That is a great coilover set, got same on my car the moment. Much better handeling, comfort than original VRS and of course better looking. Atleast for road use, havent been on track.

[@redovni1978]

Anti-roll bars. Front and rear in combination with coilovers, that's what you should do. I have h&r anti-roll bars with koni shocks+eibach sportline springs on 46 330i limousine, and I can tell you anti-roll bars are great.

[@adrien9608]

I love the fifteen52 wheels in general ! I can't wait to see them on ! Appear quickly in the intro

[@TheRealBleach]

It really improves stability. The suspension is what that car sits on. Ride height can also have effects on the aerodynamics of the car. The chassis feels much more sturdy. You can hammer the car around bends

[@philtripe]

Thankyou Homer Simpson

[@15DEAN1995]

The elbach guys explanation on suspenion set up explained so many things i didnt understand about forza suspension tuning

[@yavorm.7503]

It's been a while since i spent more than 10 mins on a video. The series are quite interesting. Keep ' em coming !

[@JJ_ExMachina]

Improve lap times on a short coarse like this one... 1) Really sticky tires that do NOT require heating to be grippy... Hoosier A7, they are DOT approved road tires, but only for dry conditions. They are amazing for Autocross. First time I ran the A7s I bent both tie rods, and snapped a half-shaft, the wheels stuck so well. 2) Really good brakes, with braided steal brake lines, and DOT5+ fluid. 3) Then of coarse good suspension setup...

[@AsifLicious]

So far I’ve done power mods, LSD, and rear subframe bushing inserts on my 135i. Next I need to do a matched spring and damper set or coilovers, front sway bar, and hopefully m3 front control arms

[@lamin1825]

2:08 So give the dampers enough room to work by optimizing the springs rate of travel and/or adjust ride height?

[@darksolara6750]

I'm just curious what was your damping settings on this video?… Thank you for your response… Great vid!!

[@alexwalsh31]

Really enjoyed this video guys. This is on my wish list for the BMW M6 V10. I was not in two minds about getting them but this really helps solidify my decision to get them. I'm getting the Eibach Lowering springs with spacers fitted by Motech.