Is The Nissan 350Z Underrated?

The Nissan 350Z gets a bit of a kicking from a lot of petrolheads, but is that fair? Alex decided to find out by driving three very different examples - a low-mileage, bog-standard car, a super-rare Nismo S-Tune GT and the one-off, supercharged GT-S.
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[@DLGaming2002]

I seriously don't know anyone who hates the 350Z. Edit: Dafuq? That's a lot of likes.

[@69BigLou]

I do but they're stooopid anyway

[@iamaparanoidandroid1]

No, but given the pedigree, they are not viewed as similar to the other Japanese sports cars of the time (MX5, S2000). So I guess it was just pointing out that they are still a valid option.

[@aidarsharafullin6900]

Americans don’t like 350Z, refer to weight and unattractive sound. To me it’s bs, my favourite 2000s car

[@DLGaming2002]

@@aidarsharafullin6900 Yeah, I love the 350Z.

[@Tyrekickingwetdreamer]

Me

[@dashcam2417]

The fact people are still talking about the 350z says it all 😊

[@RazorSharp75426]

Cult following, maybe. Some people used the car as platforms for drifting

[@adam.677]

People still talk about the reliant Robin ....

[@juanc5149]

The Nissan 350z is not hated. This car sold extremely well in the US. It out performed the Mustang GT at the time definitely out handled it. And for the price for the performance at the time, it was one of the best values you could get, on the less expensive side of the corvette. If you wanted a car that could out perform it. You’d have to take a big step up in price to the corvette, which at 2003 dollars was 10 to 20k more. Porsche Boxter was slower than the 350z and more expensive than the corvette. You could almost get two 350z base models for a boxter s.

[@McNasty43]

Yeah, besides making fun of the exhaust note that certain exhaust systems give it (very trombone-like), I've never heard anyone hate on the 350.

[@_RiseAgainst]

It's the owners that get the hate, not the car.

[@ResevoirGod]

We’re not in the US so most of your comment is entirely irrelevant

[@juanc5149]

@@ResevoirGod Whatever we do, affects you, my little uropeen friend. You are at our mercy.

[@_RiseAgainst]

@@ResevoirGod yeah we have ruled the world ever since your island colony wanted independence from America. We'll take you back just bend the knee and kiss the ring.

[@craigwithey]

10:59 “ listen to it “ - editor proceeds to put crappy music over the exhaust note 🤔🤦🏼‍♂️

[@_GG21_]

it's sad bcs non-car people edit and manage this channel, they need to focus more on the cars, no raw sound clips, flybys covered with voice and shit music, this are the problems they need to solve

[@anon7661]

This presenter is actually kinda likable. Incredibly informative. Something car throttle never was.

[@RazorSharp75426]

They used to have Alex Kersten

[@anon7661]

@@RazorSharp75426 couldn't hold an informative conversation for more than 15 seconds. Don't get me wrong I enjoy there videos on the channel but alot of it is just bable. Not really learning anything.

[@danpaul4975]

​@@anon7661 You watched the videos to "learn" stuff??

[@vazza45]

​@@anon7661 Imagine watching old car throttle to be 'informed'

[@NowIknowCh]

Totally agree

[@RSN-mr6cl]

Me watching a video of three 350zs while having my three 350zs in my driveway😂

[@imSchwaggy]

No one actually hates 350z's they just sound like shite when they're straight piped. And people used to spend $10-15k for "fbo" and not even make 300whp. But they're great cars. Look great. Drive great. Great transmission. Etc

[@JLiuTurboZ]

Come check mine out! Turbo, 500whp!

[@imSchwaggy]

@@JLiuTurboZ yeah vq's LOVE boost. I remember back in the day a guy had one fbo/internals supercharged making like 600. And had nitrous (wasn't used as far as I know). Thing was insane. Then there was a twin turbo one aswell. This is like in 07-08 when they were still pretty new.

[@Ben_Z33]

10k ? What kind of parts are you putting on ? These could make 300 whp easily asperated no 03 to 06 needs 10k for cams and fbo aswell as 07 to 08's make 300+whp with exhaust, intakes and a tune I am not even 3k into mods and only need drop in cams to make 300+whp if I wanted to

[@Daniel-cg1gr]

What's "fbo"?

[@JLiuTurboZ]

@@Daniel-cg1gr full bolt on

[@FinalVengeance]

I’ll watch in a minute, I gotta go top up the oil in my 350

[@sufianshahid3690]

Same

[@locophoto6881]

Lies. You have to go ask your mom if yiu can borrow the minivan to go halves on the latest Xbox game

[@SBC2317]

​@@locophoto6881wtf is your problem?

[@csbr75]

​@@SBC2317 Probably a vw up owner

[@SBC2317]

@@csbr75 he even liked his own comment

[@fritzmckellar1756]

I had one 10 years ago (podiumed National Solo2 championship with it) before selling it. I quickly regretted that decision. Got another one in mint condition last year and absolutely love it. Once people get their head around the fact the 350z is an inexpensive, honest, overbuilt, reliable, GT cruiser - they will truely appreciate it.

[@diclog1809]

Bit of a waste having the Nismo and the turbo ones on here, should have had the RevUp and the HR versions of the 350z

[@Soyblackpower]

Revup would not be worth mentioning and the Nismo has an HR motor

[@NotFrenzyy]

@@Soyblackpowerthat white “nismo” isn’t one of the 1600 they made 🤣 wrong year hood and headlights alone 😝

[@sstoersk]

@@NotFrenzyy Just google 350z s-tune before saying shit...

[@JohnnyB.]

Great video, love my two 350z's. Really would have liked to see you drive the HR in comparative to these three cars. Great video Car Throttle!!

[@pauliewalnuts240]

Weight is similar to a boxster but has way more power.... I never understood why people didnt like it. When theres so few affordable sports cars, it doesn't exactly encourage more manufacturers to make one when everyone criticizes it.

[@JLiuTurboZ]

I love these cars! Mines 2006, widebody and turbod!

[@shibe32]

My brother just bought a 370z and man, this is such a great car.

[@Exponaut_R-01]

What is this video even? Where are the masses of people disliking the 350Z, compared to all the people who at least, don't hate it? It's an icon for a lot of people and the most I've heard is people disliking the noise, which seems more like the engine (and whatever exhaust) than the car.

[@Zedthrills]

its a really good car. people hate it mainly for what the owners have done. here in the states it has a terrible reputation and the trumpet sound doesn't help.

[@jimmymackauto5897]

I Love the Nismo, I had the pleasure of having a little drive in that exact car around 10years ago at a place I used to work where it was stored along with the supercharged one which I got to see too! It’s nice to see the Nismo again brings back a good memory!

[@mrlowrider05]

"sluggish throttle response" I owned a 2005 350Z for about 10 Years and compared it to a lot of other Cars. But never would i have said that the throttle response is anything but very quick. Btw the car does even have a little shake when in neutral, because the Flywheel was made very light from Stock. And I liked the DE Motor the best even with its slightly lower Redline because it had the most Torque of all the 3 Engine generations.

[@Soyblackpower]

I wouldn't say the fly wheel is light stock. Its 30lbs and dual mass. Pretty heavy. I have a 13lb single mass in mine and its transformative

[@Soyblackpower]

Also in 2007 the auto industry as a whole adjusted the way HP and torque was measured which means that cars would be advertised with slightly less hp and torque than 2006 and prior. The HR makes more power and torque than the DE does too the wheels stock for stock on a dyno, its just that it doesn't appear that way in the marketing due to the way the industry changed how things were measured. The DE makes the least power and torque in the real world even if it might seem like it makes the most on paper.

[@Ben_Z33]

​@@SoyblackpowerI heard this comment over and over all through the years could you explain why there is only an 20hp difference between the de and hr on the SAME dyno and same measuring software for the dyno to read the hp ? Healthy DE makes 240 to 245whp stock and an hr makes 260 to 265whp stock

[@Soyblackpower]

@@Ben_Z33 yeah in the real world an HR is making 20-30hp more than a DE stock for stock. And the HR is making more torque under the curve all through the rev range than the DE. The peak number might only be 25hp more but its making that throughout most of the rev range, on the street thats pretty significant. Also healthy DEs are making closer to 220-225whp stock and HRs closer to 255ish stock. With the standard bolt ons (not including longtube headers basically) a DE will make probably 270hp at the most and an HR will be touching 300whp at the most.

[@GeorgeXian]

Also the stock tune sucks. Too much rehang, the heavy flywheel makes it worse but most of the hesitancy for the revs to drop is from the factory tune. I will do a few bolt ons on mine first before getting it retuned.

[@lrs3]

Is it really hated, though?

[@thecarparty639]

As a former VQ owner, yes. VQ's are the Nickelback of the car world. They are hated, but mainly because it's trendy to hate them.

[@Tomekkplk]

@@thecarparty639 The trumpet VQ is hated, but not the rest of the car

[@clements3715]

This is one of my dream car, enought power, great handling and cool styling. Oh and the engine makes a decent noise.

[@ResevoirGod]

Why would this be your dream car over the 370z out of interest?

[@clements3715]

@@ResevoirGod well I found that the 350Z looks way cooler then the 370Z, it appears the driving sensation are better with the 350 even if it's heavier !! also the 350Z is cheaper. I know the 370Z is inherently a better car but I'm not looking for the better car, I'm looking for the one that fits me :)

[@user-ri6mx7di1c]

Should have tested a HR 350Z for the stock version the HR is a much more free revving with higher redline at 7600rpm plus 306hp and 268tq over the base de only making 280hp but has 270tq I have had two G35's one with a DE and my current G35 sedan has the VQ35HR and it's a very different car to drive with the HR it feels smoother and pulls harder up higher in the rpms

[@harrywright6544]

DE's are much more common in the UK vs the HR. 5775 DE's sold vs 1507 HR's sold and 3091 of them are still registered.

[@jamiemellett8444]

The black 350z would be what’s known as a ‘rev up’ DE as it’s a 55 plate. So not 276hp but 296hp with an extra 500 rpm to use 👍

[@patrickdonaldson6221]

I know for a fact that 350Z Nismo is not the only one in the country. I drive one at Castle Coombe today.

[@Amarmister93]

Always a DE never an HR in these tests haha

[@shaneomac-9069]

This video has just made me re-subscribe from since the old crew left, this guy is genuinely a good presenter, convinient that im literally debating on a 350z after going through a 130i, a GT86 and a megane rs250 cup, still think the gt86 will be the most fun but keen to see what the 350z is all about

[@RRR_Motorsports]

I remember a buddy had one about 10 yrs ago, and it shut a lot of haters up... great car

[@Elzettoloco]

The 350GTS is not a one off special. It was made by swiss company NOVIDEM and was turned down by Nissan because our japanese friends were against it. I worked for Novidem so i can report from pole position. What a pity

[@dflet03]

Sir. People still love this car til this day

[@samdurling6053]

I know the comments section is saying these aren't hated but I agree with the presenter. This was always compared to the Boxster and came nowhere near in terms of sports car feels. It was more of a GT car and meant that it was universally marked down for that by journalists

[@TIWNA851]

The problem the Boxster had and still does have to a reason is that it’s considered a poor man’s 911.

[@samdurling6053]

@TIWNA851 True but it has a better badge than the 350z and anyone who has actually driven a boxster always beams afterwards and realises it has some things the 911 doesn't

[@TIWNA851]

@@samdurling6053 I do hear that a lot, but I still get flashbacks to my youth when me and my brother begged my father not to buy a Boxster S as we feared the ribbing from our mates 🫣 He thankfully listened 🤣

[@mikeperrett4782]

Apart from Clarkson I don’t recall anyone saying anything bad about the 350z, mines on 154k miles and going strong.

[@enriquehidalgo630]

Once the drifters get more 350z in their hands there will not be any left.

[@m4TT5]

I don’t think it’s actually underrated considering how well it sold in the us. The thing about it that I do think is underrated is how much performance you get for the dollar. You get rwd, 300hp, and a manual for like $10k.

[@jonsheldrake3661]

Underground 2 made me want one since I was 4 or 5 years old, will never regret buying one when I got the chance. Mine has a lot of goodies and I enjoy it every time I drive it. For the price and aftermarket support for these, cant fault them!

[@davidconlon8598]

People are still talking about the 350Z after 20 years says a lot about the car

[@clements3715]

when the GTR came out I was working right next to a french tunning company and one of the worker had a 350Z completly gutted ! He told me the engine was stock (you can't change the power output on a used car in france) but everything else was custom and the car weighted around 1150 kg ! But no carpet, no aircon, nothing. he told me it was a nightmare in the summer and would not remove the AC if he had to do it again. But apparently he was beating 911 turbo on the track.

[@locophoto6881]

A stock Z could easily keep up with 911 and 911 Turbo on track even when they came out in 2003 …was in Car and Driver …the track performance comparisons

[@Roamy]

I love my 350z. Been to the ring a couple times, few brands hatch track days. Its a total bargain for the quality of car you get if you can deal with 2 seats. It always puts a smile of my face, it loves to be driven hard. I have the HR, solid as a rock, highly recommend one! (just dont straight pipe it).

[@niclash4534]

I never heard anyone hate on Z‘s. :D I love them Engine is a bit less rev happy than my GR86, but it drives and drifts great. 😎

[@TIWNA851]

Enjoyed the video, but can’t understand the title? The 350Z had nowhere near as much hate cast upon it as the TT or Z4. The Audi still carries the hairdresser stigma and the BMW is the modern day MGB GT, that….. let’s say the more mature person likes to take on Sunday drives and picnics. 🤷‍♂️

[@imtom246]

It’s a shame about CT used to be such a good channel. But this guy is a breath of fresh air! 👍🏼

[@RazorSharp75426]

The same with Mazda RX-8s and ZZ Celicas. And BMW Supras.

[@user-ue6iv2rd1n]

I mean RX8's have more engine failures then any other car in history.

[@redline589]

I've owned one of these years ago and have been lucky enough to own some very nice cars such as the e92 M3 and m240 ect. . . I don't have anything bad to say about the 350z, they are simple old school sports cars that drive nicely, handle well and have a nice meaty V6 N/A engine. These are the type of cars everyone will want if EV saturation becomes a reality.

[@richardsurey6167]

Why do they never test an HR is these? 07-09 HR's had a 306hp engine with much less vibration and stronger/lighter internals with dual air intakes etc++. The VQ35HR is closer to a VQ37HR(370Z) than the DE motor's in all three of these. I must say that S-Tune is awesome though, if it's the one I think it is then it's for sale at the moment too. But the real top tier, non one-offs, 350Z's are the V3 Nismo and the 380RS. Also if you buy one for only £5k it will be in need of a lot of work!

[@Ben_Z33]

As well as the nismo it's self is not that special either its an hr 350z with an aero kit and the "exstra stiffness" is essentially just some cross braces bolted to the chassis of the car so even if you got an 350 DE like me "the shitty one in everyone's eyes" you can buy the nismo bracing off the second hand jdm market and bolt it onto your car, one in the trunk and one close to the front of the car There was in in depth video of an guy showing where all the bracing bolts onto

[@richardsurey6167]

@@Ben_Z33 it's not just bolt ons with the NISMO that give it extra stiffness, it's welded differently too (I don't know the detail on what though).

[@ldfGUSBOY]

Great car, had a stock revup. 5 years of playing on local NC500 potholed roads and it just shrugged it off. Off to auto trader I go. Great vid, thanks.

[@SitTime]

Bought my first 350z HR 4 month ago and making it in the best entry drift car

[@thatasiandude1351]

I think you're missing the point here they don't hate the z but dumb one owning that z. Same reason some people hate the mopar dude here in us

[@YouthWorking]

People disliked it due to having a Renault engine.

[@FairladyLexi]

It's not a Renault engine, that's just nonsense that Clarkson spouted and everyone repeated as gospel. The VQ engine series is 100% designed and made by Nissan in Japan. A detuned version was used in some Renault cars as part of the Renault-Nissan Alliance.

[@donrob4058]

This is true, the 3.5 DE is a grunt big torque engine. Till this day, it pushes harder than a 370z. It only lacks the Hi rev 7800 RPMs and HP. my 2003 DE on a dyno mustang puts down 240HP and 240 Tq.

[@GarryMcGovern]

Where has all this 'hate' come fromr? They were raved about when launched and I was very tempted (test drove one along with the also recently launched RX8, but only my shallow ego steered me German side). These cars have always been considered highly, from the moment they came out.......... strange comment to hear, as even on the PH forums, the old 350Z still commands nothing but respect.

[@StrawHatGarage]

The added music over the exhaust really dampens the vibe.

[@nickleighton9299]

I own a 2005 Roadster had for 10 years 😍 it and agreed with your piece to camera they are heavy feeling and more a grand tourer. I am in the process of moving mine on as bought somthing else to replace it with different direction but even more fun I got to say but can't compare as 2 different cars in there own right.

[@Dipper88]

Cant help but notice colour of the seat leather that was so beautifully depicted is almost identical to the yellow in the car throttle logo. Lol

[@captainashcam]

How do you make a supercharger switchable? Does it disconnect the input shaft?

[@Ochtone]

This is what I was wondering

[@rhys180606]

Aisin ,ac type. Look it up

[@Ochtone]

@@rhys180606 thanks!

[@stedy142]

I wanted one of these so badly when they came out.

[@darrenburchmore]

Great handling car standard and even better modded. Weight lets it down and could have done with a bit more power. Apart from that its great on track as you can really throw it around the corners. Mines taken 3 years of abuse and its still going strong

[@matleith]

It’s literally called a GT, grand tourer, a comfortable quick car for long drives. It’s supposed to be exactly as it is! 😅 The tuning potential is what turns it into a true sports car/racer!

[@antmarquis87]

Best car that I’ve owned. Unfortunately, an old lady totaled mine and they’re all clapped out now.

[@MidlifeVices77]

I absolutely loved mine. And it gave me very little trouble. Other than an annoying knock that I could never track down

[@JIMMYHIBBS1]

Don't recall it being hated - it was no lightweight .... but it felt engineered like a Porsche - heavy (in a good way) ... I nearly bought one when they first came out, and tried the Boxster, S2000, Z4 and Lotus Elise ... I went lightweight in the end with the Lotus .... and very nearly bought the amazing S2000 ..... Nothing against the Nissan though - was a competitive sector back in early 2000's .....

[@bodhim4353]

It would’ve been nice to have a Turbo build on there as well

[@aleksanderpopov5060]

had 2 of them and a 370, my second 350z had 428 horses and was fun as hell. All came from copart

[@RazorSharp75426]

NFS Underground 2 isn't the only game to feature the Z33 on the cover , Forza Motorsport 2 also did the same. They could've use a different, better car tbh. But noooooooooo

[@mattblackledge9068]

The fella in the back clearly isn't keen on dogs. 😂

[@Wockkkyyslushieee]

4,500 miles is insane

[@alexoliver9201]

Good car to look at. Presenter seems good too 👍🏼

[@bpowick]

“Only 276hp”… given that this channel recently made a video about the 276hp gentlemen’s agreement between the Japanese car makers back in the 90s/early 2000s, they should know this car produces more than that. I think it was around 310 - 320ish.

[@KRAEMERP2010]

A lot of the people hating on the 350Z, has never driven one! -just the way it is today..

[@dmtracing56]

people just hate Z's because of cheap exhaust set ups where people go for volume over tone. i know people shit on tomei, the brand itself is solid the issue is that people get a straight pipe all the way back and slap the tomei muffler on instead of going full titanium all the way back

[@simonhughes7382]

"It feels like a grand tourer" he says about the 350z....GT....

[@ShingoKirishima1997]

2007 350z owner chiming in from the US. For a performance car it used to be a cheap bargain, even years befor the pandemic. $5k got you a decent and low mileage 6 speed manual early model. Might burn a little oil, might have some small issues here and there but more desirable models like the 07-08 VQ35HR could be had for $10k. Bought my 07 6MT for $9k just as the pandemic hit. The reason for the hate isn't the car, it's the owners. The owners can be insufferable, with awful exhaust mods, questionable design choices and their on road manners. The 350z is also the sister to the Infiniti G35/ V35 Skyline, a car known in the takeover scene here in the US These owners are why im planning to keep my Z to an OE+ look and do proper mods, as it might be the last clean manua HRl 350z in my state.

[@GAMINGOBRIEN69]

I never met someone that hates this car?

[@Coorsdrinker]

Agreed, have they changed the description now to 'underrated'

[@Ochtone]

I haven’t met people that hated it, but nearly everyone I meet that has had this and other sports cars as well have said it’s underwhelming by comparison.

[@GAMINGOBRIEN69]

@@Ochtone fair

[@WildAsDaTaliban]

I don't think the 350z was ever hated.

[@Wolffhardtt]

Great cars, faultless for the price, seriously under priced and overlooked in england

[@jesterofdimensionz]

I almost got one of these instead of my Mustang. It was just harder to get financing for it saddly

[@georgewachira2564]

3 million subscribers and barely getting 25k views after 5 days! Damn😢

[@andreawilliams3092]

From reading some comments i realise its not hated and dare i say loved and am a proud owner 😂 nsf, marvel intro and movies tokyo drift

[@pinut187]

Nobody realizing that they got clickbaited.

[@willy-praha]

I love this car❤

[@caiden915x]

Stock 350z will be very desirable when the clapped out ones are crushed in the junk yards. I'd give it 7-10 years

[@dakotajones8010]

we dont hate the car just the owners ESPECIALLY here in the US. IYKYK

[@locophoto6881]

There is truth to that....too many of the owners are identity crisis losers thinking they're something they're not just from buying a Z and pressing the gas pedal...wow...you've accomplished much in life by doing what everyone other person does..spending money and pressing a pedal to drive.

[@vladmihai306]

in nfs underground it was quite loved actually. miata was the best handling wise and maybe also the nissan gtr. the 350z was a bit twitchy

[@Ben_Z33]

These cars get hate due to majority of American owners doing dumb stuff with them not to mention it's also an toxic community as some owners with specific year models looking down upon others.... cough hr and nismo owners 👀

[@Charles-jo8ub]

Everywhere i go i get at one compliment on mjne special the new generation a guy in family dollar to today he probably was about 20 something was like damn that sweet what kind if car is that. New generation think it is a new car.

[@quicknickdriver8510]

Good show Alex

[@completecarculture7974]

I don’t think there was ever any hate?

[@GIXXERUKX]

It’s never been hated 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@VroomNPew]

Hate? She's a little thick, but we love her anyways, as far as I'm aware

[@MyRealName]

What hate? It's awesome and most people like it, even though it's not a perfect sportscar by any means.

[@RazorSharp75426]

Petrolheads hated it, Airheads loved it

[@asdreww]

1500kg, it weighs more than my 2004 Subaru Forester STi...

[@simonhughes7382]

Best car I've owned, the 370z on the other hand was a bitter disappointment.

[@Gsr_automotive]

0:15 no Alex. It's riders on the storm

[@bitkarek]

true... that one was from the NFS:Underground1

[@Afraz_9n3]

It's both🤷🏽‍♂️ underground 1 was get low and underground 2 was riders on the storm

[@joeemm3149]

how long before this geezer ditchs car throttle like all the others? I hear Alex has room in the stable 😂

[@JoeyBrod]

Couldn’t make it through the whole video, just too much going on in it

[@johnshepard8387]

Who hates the 350 Z ? Ok, it was a bit heavy and the interior was a bit cheap, but hey, go buy a Porsche then ! Not the same price though... I know somebody who has a 350 Z, and it is a very nice car !

[@CapeFilms]

The 350z is an amazing car the owners ruin it and I’m mainly talking about the Edgar’s and sadboyz who have ruined the platform by cutting the springs, straight piped them and take them to a take over and crash it and keep driving it clapped out.

[@Gronkhsau]

hate? what hate?😂 So far as I know they are hyped

[@pumarolz]

Yes and some more , specially the early ones with their high oil consumption and cilindro wall friction(I love the car to death I just know what buttons to press to trigger some people lmao 🤣)

[@user-ue6iv2rd1n]

If you can afford the petrol you can afford oil, I never got why people made a big deal out of this.

[@pumarolz]

@@user-ue6iv2rd1n so true , aviation is like that all engines consume oil per hour

[@ProductofNZ]

Damn Car Throttle fell off hard.

[@999catz]

Hmmm does a Nissan gtr engine fit in a 350z? Since both are v6?

[@JLiuTurboZ]

Too much fabrication, better to just build the motor and toss a turbo in it, I beat a few r35 gtr in rolling races

[@v.s.727]

The SC was from Novidem. Novidem is a swiss tuning company, they are insanely overpriced!

[@danpaul4975]

Lost 60,000 subscribers in 3 months and you're getting 5 figure view counts on literally every video since all your screen staff left... When are you gonna accept that you've taken on too much water?

[@YouTubeSupportTeams]

Hate? I didn't know they were hated, they're fantastic value rwd sports cars. And typically, like all car reviews on KZbin they never feature the HR version, the one to have. 313PS is a big step up in power from the DE's and they aren't oil burners.

[@TIWNA851]

But do come with their own set of potentially wallet draining problems. A good early car is much better than poor rev up.

[@Ben_Z33]

I might nerd out about this but hope it helps out who ever wants to know more about these cars So yea the DE might be shitty in everyone's eyes but the hr is not that much more superior looking at what nissan did to gain an extra 20hp more (at the wheels stock vs stock) the HR got beefier cams and an better oil pump, better flowing headers compared to the DE, as well as cam specs on the HR is 264° DEG with an lift of 10.80mm the DE has tiny cams in comparison with less lift at 256°DEG and an lift of 10.20mm the two individual throttle bodys at 60mm flow 38% Better then the single 70mm throttle body on the DE. The HR also has variable valve timing on the exhaust side of things not like the DE that has only on the the cams side and lastly the HR had better ECU software for the engines as that was right around when car tech got a little bit more efficient...so if you pair all the things together I just mentioned its understandable to why the hr pulls more smooth and harder at the top rpm due to ecu advancements and all the obvious things I mentioned... But don't completely throw away the DE platform you can still make power if you do an upgraded oil pump with 264 cams from tomei they have drop in cams that allow you to still retain the stock vavle train so then it will be on par with an hr pulling harder at the top of the rpm range If you got a rev up they naturally go through oil due to how the piston rings are tapered, oil naturally blows by into the combustion chamber, the only nice thing about the rev up is it's got the same advancements as the HR with better cams then the regular DE "little but more duration" and vvt on the exhaust side aswell with an better lower plenum in the intake runners for higher rpm as well as an upgraded oil pump to safely rev to 7000rpm I could mention more even block wise but the DE and rev up are identical only the HR got an stronger block and internals

[@Ben_Z33]

Did I mention All of that for 20hp more lol ? In my opinion the HR is great it's but abit over hyped