Carving drill: HOW TO RID A-FRAME

[@yvonpelletier4781]

Hello, as a ski instructor, (level 2) I was trying to apply logic and doing this same exercice but the opposite way. I was trying to push the knee to the outside, not thinking about the muscle doing exactly the reverse. It only makes so much sense! Never too late to learn more! Thanks for this clarification.

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks for watching and for your great feedback 👍

[@markantony3875]

Excellent video. As a former FIS level racer, I can say Triggerboy is right on about this stuff. I actually wasted my time reading all the comments who disagreed with him. It is utterly amazing how many people comment on skiing and make fools of themselves when they have not raced at a high level.

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks for watching and commenting. Not necessarily a wast of time, I hope. I frequently get the question why I don't delete negative feedback but I want this to be as organic as possible. I only had to boot one person, twice, and kind of miss him. At the moment there is a debate going on with one user at an other video whether or not carving came along in the 90s or 60s. Anyway, nice to have a FIS level racer here. Im honored. Take care and have a good season :)

[@ЭдуардГабдуллович]

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[@nordicwilly6650]

After browsing ski carving videos for the last several weeks, I finally came across your videos. What a goldmine! Very intuitive tips. You are helping an old guy get his carving mojo back! Many thanks.

[@Triggerboy62]

Thank you so much for watching and soo glad I could be of assistance. Cheers, Tom

[@daveeades9333]

Great exercise! Great you explained what the correct movement is and how to teach it. I was just asked about this on a chair ride this week. I just told him to roll both knees in, feel parallel shins and visualise windsheild wipers going side to side. I dont teach anymore but help out if it comes up. I see so many instructors teaching incorrect movements and focus with the typical exercises because they dont understand the correct movements involved in skiing.

[@Triggerboy62]

Excellent posting Dave. Thanks for watching, Cheers :)

[@Hippowdon121]

This is great! Last two weeks I was skiing my instructor pointed out that my knee is tipping inwards. what you call A-frame. He gave me an exercise to put my two hands in-between my knees and it didn't work at all! By myself I practiced trying to feel my leg muscle and get the right feeling of how to engage the leg muscles to get my knee out there and have those parallel shins. That was good but this exercise of putting my hand on the outside of my knee will help accelerate the learning next time I'm there!

[@Triggerboy62]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Good luck. Did you see part 2? Here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2TcnpuubtJnjNEsi=QyqJinjQFrbabC-_ Some more drills and dwelling on the topic of A-frame :) Cheers, T

[@Hippowdon121]

@@Triggerboy62 didn't yet so thanks for that

[@tonybrown9779]

Great tips (correct alignment & touch outside of inside knee) and excellent demo.

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks.... I have a follow up video in the works. Mr. A-frame got parallel shins now :)

[@mrnoodle43]

rob butler said it best,,,,aim the inside knee where you wish it to go...if you dont shorten and relax the inside leg it will resist therefore shorten/bend the inside leg and aim the knee this in turn sets you up for early edge and transfer of balance to the new outside foot....happy skiing

[@Triggerboy62]

Thank you for watching. Yes, this drill aims at pointing the inside knee in the direction you want to turn. It trains the muscles.

[@여기서따박따박말대꾸]

Your lesson is easy to understand! Thanks for good tips!

[@Triggerboy62]

You are welcome!

[@HJet69]

This is a great video, but especially for women there might also be another cause for A-frames: hip position! If you keep your bottom a little backwards (for most women this is their natural position) your knees will automatically move into an A-frame. Try to keep the muscles of your bottom and abdomen very firm and keep your hips and butt straight below your trunk, and you won't even be able to have your knees touching each other. Do it when skiing carved turns, and your A-frame won't stand a chance! (I am talking from experience! And by the way: mogul skiing also benefits from improving your hip position.)

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks, great advice. Maybe especially for women but also for men. I know I suffer from this squatted position myself a bit so keeping your hips pushed forwards is something most skiers would benefit from.

[@Freddyskins00]

Hi, thanks so much for this drill. I have been at it for a week at the start of each day. It has helped big time. I can see the improvement. Massive thanks again)

[@Triggerboy62]

Great to hear. Just msking a new video on the topic :)

[@872521]

Here's what I notice in the "real world section" at the end - A very subtle but apparent vertical and forward motion of the hips. Kind of a Kegel move. This has the effect of unlocking the ankles and driving the feet forward keeping the skis in touch with the snow. This Kegel move creates a motion in the thighs letting both legs tip inward with a roll of the femur.

[@donaldfiesta8666]

Have you ever watched Bode Miller ski. I would argue that a slight A frame is fine depending on the turn and how one is built. The knee bends in inward but not outward so much. I have alignment issues and have experimented with boots and cants over 20 years. I can set up everything so I can ski with any A frame, however that setup limits my range of lateral movements and hurts my aging knees. So I remain a bit suspicious of the need of eliminating the A frame altogether.

[@Triggerboy62]

You are perfectly right. A slight a-frame is ok. Almost all WC racers sow a bit of AF. Now more than lets say 3 y ago.

[@GamerBrosJAndM]

A lot of it comes down to an individuals body especially the angles and width of joints in the lower body and even more especially hip mobility

[@Evanturar]

Your comment about Bodie Miller is perfect. I would direct some of these viewers to a few videos of him skiing for some contrast. They’ll see pole plants, A-Frame in varying amounts and dynamic body movement adapting to terrain. Good skiers have tools for every scenario.

[@Magyarleanzo]

I can’t wait to try this exercise. Thanks! 😊

[@Triggerboy62]

You're so welcome! Be sure to do it on easy terrain. I use it on my students all the time. Cheers, T

[@cooperspace90]

This works surprisingly nicely!!! Thx

[@Triggerboy62]

You're welcome!

[@patfish3291]

the key is to avoid thinking! feel it! ;)

[@franscampagme4532]

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[@franscampagme4532]

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[@franscampagme4532]

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[@jusgibs]

Patrick proier, my thoughts exactly! You should teach, but of course your lessons would be short.

[@MrDogonjon]

THINK ABOUT THE FEELING?

[@jamesdunn9714]

An A frame can be the result of excessive inside tip lead. One fix is to pull the inside foot/ski back while maintaining proper counter when initiating a turn, another fix is to advance the the outside foot/ski while maintaining counter. The counter is needed in both to prevent hip rotation. I prefer the former method.

[@Triggerboy62]

You are right in spotting "hip rotation" as a big problem. However, upper body counter and a-framing are closely related just as parallel shins and hip rotation are. What you need to do is teach your inside leg muscles to tip into the turn regardless of the amount or lack of upper body counter. To work independently. Pulling the inside ski back or pushing the outside ski forward will also not rid you of a-framing. Maybe indirectly, but you will get faster results with this drill. Thanks for watching by the way.

[@jackh577]

Everything starts with the feet. To initiate the turn the focus should be on tipping the free/inside foot towards its little two edge. Then as you continue to tip the skies further onto the new edges, you focus on the upper body movements.

[@Triggerboy62]

Thank you for watching. Actually I focus on the inside leg and its muscles. Ankle plays a major role for sure but in this video focus is on tipping the leg.

[@ninr0d]

Hi Tom! I had a-frame problem. Bad habits from the old-school ski. In my case to avoid a-frame i had to minimize shin pressure on boots cuff. Thats helped. Greetings from Poland.

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks for the info! Im just making a new version of the A-frame video. That makes sense. Too much shin pressure indeed pushes the knee to the inside causing an A-frame. What is your first name by the way? And many greetings to Poland. Chris is right now in Gdansk. He phoned and said there was a lot of snow in town :)

[@ninr0d]

My name is Jan (John) on the south of Poland still snowing :) @@Triggerboy62

[@Triggerboy62]

@@ninr0d made the script for the next a-frame video and I included you in it.... if you want we can put a photo of you in the video. At least I can try. If you think this is cool please e-mail me a photo on [e-mail]. Well, email me anyway so we can continue discussing in private. Cheers, Tom

[@Vezoc]

@@Triggerboy62when will you be releasing the new video? I think my a-frame has lessened with the right cuff alignment and proper boot fitting, but it’s still slightly there I think.

[@Vezoc]

@@Triggerboy62 If you don’t mind I’d also like to ask you something regarding the topic. Should I shoot you an email?

[@yanlizkurt2741]

Interesting, I will try it if I find a chance for skiing

[@Triggerboy62]

Go for it!

[@yokohamakyoto723]

I really enjoy watching this video. Thanx.

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks 4 watching. Cheers Tom

[@ronaldvanderhorst4936]

Maybe i have an other solution. I’m an instructor myself. In stead of focussing on the knee, look at tension on the ankle. The way you stand on your feet shows at the knee’s. So the inside ski should be tilted out of the ankle on the outside of the foot. That makes the knee go inside the turn and the chins more parallel. The lower joints direct the placing of those above! And, the bodywait should be fairly over the outerski. Otherwise they use it as a stand. When they tilt it with to much pressure it pulls them too hard through the corner resulting in staying backwards

[@Triggerboy62]

Hi, maybe its the same solution. Just from an other perspective. Great thinking. Have you seen this video I made years ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/npyphYiMh66kp7s It is on my re-make to-do list. Very hard to understand as I have not met anybody that shares my thoughts and thinking on the subject. Almost as there is a Italian KZbin channel that spoke about it in Italian. What you should do is activate the abductor muscles as I described in the A-frame video and then combine it with your ankle tipping theory. Or mine in the video I linked for that matter. Actually I dont think you can tip your ankle as everybody claims they can. But in my video I describe how it is really done. In short, point the toes of your feet towards the outside of the turn. That causes your inside knee to tip into the turn. No a-frame. I really need to remake that video. Thanks for the reminder and please let me know your thoughts. Please! Cheers, Tom

[@martinjolles4635]

Watching again and again this only makes perfect sense!!!

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks for watching. Im using this drill almost every day with clients if they have a problem with A-framing or simply want to improve their inside ski performance. Cheers, Tom

[@gazebojoe4081]

Yes it works well on perfectly flat terrain. Ski some Knar, it goes out the window. You need to be dynamic. But it will teach the intermediate some clean balanced turns.

[@MrDogonjon]

the same fundamentals work in all terrain and conditions. Good skiing is easily recognized the term is GNAR.

[@MrDogonjon]

Short for GNARLY CHARLIE the dog who lived outside was mascot of my band FreeBeer created it in 1987 in Government Camo Or. You can't name a band FreeBeer anymore the band name is banned. gnar is in memory of Gnarly Charlie, a dog living outside in government Camp in the winter sucks. we took him in he liked beer.

[@TheRealMF]

thanks for the video It made me such a big fan of your content and helped me improve me skiing

[@Triggerboy62]

Glad to hear it! Part 2 in the making. Stay tuned! Happy Holidays, T

[@sethrose1325]

lol I’m a beginner-intermediate skier and I was excited about my A-frame

[@Triggerboy62]

No need to be alarmed. Good that you are excited about your A-frame. It only goes to show that you are trying to get your skis on edge which is mandatory for most situations in skiing. Your next step would be to activate your inside leg and ski for even better form and results. Because A-framing will block your inclination into the turn and it will also put your weight on the inside ski. Which is a bad thing. Practice wedging according to my videos, check out my playlists, and then my carving videos. Here is a good one for you to watch: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHaThKmfic9kqpI And thanks for watching and for leaving a comment. Reg, Tom

[@sethrose1325]

@@Triggerboy62 thanks for the recommendation. watching it over and over again. My friends who are worse than me think I can already carve great but it’s all about slamming down the basics hard.

[@llorenzplca]

I have been struggling to long with the inside leg I can't wait for trying it.

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks for watching and hopefully it works for you :)

[@tilbie64]

I truly love watching your videos! Also, love your sense of humor. Thank you!

[@Triggerboy62]

Thank you so much! And for watching! Cheers, Tom

[@hughmcadam2232]

another great vid triggerboi

[@jma24]

Hey man love your videos. They are the best. Question though. What is the problem with the A Frame? Would be useful to understand why it is a problem and what it causes? There are two things I can think of. First, it reduces the edge angle of the inside ski, so less grip. Second, it messes with the center of gravity and speaks to balance. Interested in this because I am prone to A Framing, especially when it gets steep.

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks for your question. I have a new video on the topic in the making where I try to explain this in more depth. Hopefully it will be out this winter. Yes, the inside ski is important to keep engaged so that it does not start to skid because of low edge angles. Its also good to get out of the way so that you can tip the outside ski properly into the turn. Cheers, Tom

[@Lh-8777]

Hi Tom! Big fan of your channel since I discovered it a month ago. The range of topics you cover in so much detail made me want to focus on improving my ski level again after hitting a plateau a few years back. I also started filming myself for the first time! I was quite the A-framer, but I’ve mostly fixed that following your drills and tips (still many things to fix tho!). Problem is after engaging the edges early in the turn, my uphill foot shoots forward compared to the downhill one even if the latter retains all the weight (what I feel at least). I guess this happens since the inner ski has a shorter turn to make, but in all your videos the feet are always on top of each other, with little front/back separation. How do I fix it? If you made a view on this I missed it! Thanks a lot and keep the great content coming:)

[@Triggerboy62]

Hi and thanks for asking such a brilliant question. I actually have footage shot with two cameras from each side of a WC training SL course. But since the folder contains several Teras of video material I have not found the footage I know I have. Anyway, when watching a ski racer from both sides it is easy to see that there is tip lead present as soon as the skier starts to tip the skis on edge. So, there is tip lead always present. However, I think I know what you are referring from. In ski instructor terminology we call it scissoring. It is usually caused by a too wide stance and it results in too much weight on the inside ski. A couple of drills would be the javelin drill where you ski on one ski with the other one lifted up in the air (3 Levels of Carving kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJKzdaOLZsSCqLc at 9:00) and the booty band drill: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmGwn2WfiMeSisU . Both of these drills force you to balance over your outside ski. You can also send me video of yourself to [e-mail]. Cheers, T

[@Lh-8777]

@@Triggerboy62 Thank you so much for your detailed answer. I’ll work on those drills next time I hit the slopes. I’ll also send my videos your way, thanks for taking a look!

[@BoyajianDon]

I did this a bit this season, and it definitely helped. Thank you!

[@Triggerboy62]

Great to hear! And thanks for watching :)

[@francoislepine4698]

for an average skier this sounds and looks like a great way to catch an inside edge and expose the inside knee to injury....minor or major.

[@dereckburgess5690]

@@Triggerboy62 .... in that case this is very dangerous and irresponsible to put on KZbin. This needs teaching face to face on the slope not via media. You are risking people's health ....

[@jooproukens800]

This ski style needs constant focus that is for sure.

[@slesinski57]

great instruction; I learned a lot and I shared the video with my adult children. Thank you

[@Triggerboy62]

Thank you for watching and sharing with your grown up kids. Cheers, Tom

[@mojeimja]

The fun thing is - the first photo (FROM) very closely resembles how modern WC racers take GS moderate-high speed turns - inner ski unparalleled to outer and canted more (because it has smaller radius in turn, ass hanging to the inside etc. And the second photo (TO) resembles classic (and outdated) style of godil (wedeln).

[@Triggerboy62]

Tanks for watching and thanks for leaving a comment. GS skis need lots of speed to turn properly and before they are up to speed they are often show A-frame. Wedeln maybe went out of style but not out of fashion :)

[@mojeimja]

@@Triggerboy62 Yes wedeln is beautiful

[@alexjanaqi]

Cant wait to try

[@Triggerboy62]

Have fun!

[@lucysluckyday]

That's beautiful to watch!

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks :)

[@claudiochisani4120]

So basically crunching your inside oblique ? Great tip.

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks. Hmmm not sure what you mean by crunching your inside oblique? Important is to activate and strengthen outward leg adductors.

[@fredhughes4115]

@@Triggerboy62 Are those not abductors?

[@TC-yg4dn]

I wish I saw this video 40 years ago when I started skiing..I now have a bad habit of lifting the inside leg on every turn..but this is so much easier..Tried it on the slopes and it works…

[@Triggerboy62]

Great to hear. Hopefully I have been able to rid you of a bad habit. Cheers, Tom

[@youngcansuela8327]

That’s a whole other classic issue in and of itself. The lifting of the uphill/inner leg is a beginner mistake, and the A frame is more of an advanced mistake. That’s awesome this vid helped you realize your mistake though!

[@soleaguirre100]

excellent wow! very important tips! Thanks l love this information!😊👋🏼Greetings from Santiago Chile!

[@jooproukens800]

good demonstration, but it is more stylish if you ski with your feet closer.

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks for watching. Style is highly subjective I'm afraid but I agree with you, I also prefer the feet to be closer to each other. A so called narrow stance. I remember back when carving came along and you simply could not ski with your skis close to each other. That was a total nono. So I started to carve with my feet and legs close to each other. Glued together. First it was a joke and to provoke but soon I started to feel more comfortable that way again. Like in the old days. I also skied bumps and in the bumps a close stance is what the pros use. Anyway, came the day when WC racers started to narrow down their stance. And nowadays nobody even lifts an eyebrow. By the way, have you seen this video I made a few years ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jmGwn2WfiMeSisU

[@jooproukens800]

@@Triggerboy62 I just watched the video. I must say I am impressed. Just the way I was tought to ski by the real Italian ski school masters. I don't see that often in the ski resorts.

[@poly_hexamethyl]

Funny, I'm not a very advanced skier, but I've looked at video of myself on a slalom course and never had this problem. I wonder why it occurs in the first place?

[@Kazzzzzo]

Isnt it the other way around. You have to push with the outside leg into the snow, inside leg just takes the ride?

[@antonizalewski594]

Hi isn't it rather that once you place your hand on your inside knee then you automatically begin to lean into the turn and by doing so it's easier to carve the inside ski? Anyway, good point, will definetely try it. Great job :)

[@Triggerboy62]

Hi, thanks for watching. Could be, I have to try it out on the slope this weekend. Maybe its a combination. Anyway, the drill works great. Try it. Cheers, Tom

[@cormerus]

Interesting drill, gonna try it next season's. 👍

[@cormerus]

Triggerboy62 I've seen people, in ski classes, with their knees tied up 😀

[@cormerus]

Triggerboy62 here's a exercise I do in the gym. It's with a bosu ball, stand on the flat part and switch leg pressure maintaining a still upper body. Feet distance can vary for difficulty.

[@trouts4444]

@@Triggerboy62 Similar is using a meter length elastic band in the gym. Wrap it around a pole and step inside the loop at knee height. Move away from the pole to put as much tension as you want on your legs. Bend both ankles and knees away from the pole 10 to 20 times then turn yourself to get the other direction of movement. You can move far enough away to strain the muscles very quickly and tax the ankles and hip area. The exercise duplicates edging both skis when carving.

[@hevoforo1629]

Brilliant!

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks :)

[@joehernandez5600]

The legs were parallel but there seemed to be no correlation with the arms at all. The arms were not planting before the turn at all. Why not? In my opinion, arms and legs should work together so that the plant of the pole sets up the turn and the legs and body turn naturally after the pole plant.

[@lukelambert3179]

Great tip thanks

[@Triggerboy62]

Glad to help :)

[@amundekroll7490]

Was your former boots canted or aligned?

[@Triggerboy62]

My Dalbellos were only canted. My old Atomics were canted and then compensated by cuff alignment. My new Atomics have no canting or cuff alignment done yet. I will not cant them anyways.

[@jinpark1163]

now i know what is wrong with me... Great lesson !!!

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks and Happy Holidays :)

[@DaRedFox1]

In order for my shins to become parallel will I need to bend my knees more?

[@Triggerboy62]

No, you only need to activate your inside leg muscles to tip your inside leg to the inside. Also, stop pressing your outside knee to the inside of the turn. Inside leg more, outside leg less. Edge angles you create by lowering your hips to the snow. Not by pressing outside knee to the inside. Hope this helps. Cheers, Tom

[@knighttuttrupriprock9733]

Good one, thanks.

[@Triggerboy62]

Glad you liked it! My most popular video ever. Thanks for watching!

[@vikingbertalan8204]

What is the name/link of the soundtrack. A such ear-candy!

[@Triggerboy62]

Mysteries. It is indeed a very catchy soundtrack. If you leave it playing over night as you are sleeping it will unconsciously rid you of A-frame within a few weeks ;)

[@vikingbertalan8204]

Great tutorial, great collage, thanks for sharing it! ❄❄❄

[@gogglebro9421]

Tom, I'm viewing your movements but have a question. Are you initiating the turn by tipping the inside ski first? BTW, I think your drill is valid because it creates the technically correct movement for direction changes.

[@Triggerboy62]

Im not really thinking of that. The turn is started by offsetting your com to your bos. If you start the turn by tipping your inside ski first you are going to create the opposite effect. But if we are talking about "tipping" then you could use inside ski tipping to lead the tipping of the skis. But first you need to create imbalance. The more imbalance the more aggressive the turn will start. Initiate the turn by flexing the inside leg. Not tipping. Flex, then tip. Syay low, cross under. Hope this advice helps.

[@levaneristavi7371]

@@Triggerboy62 but is not it so, that tipping the inside leg is the fastest and most effective way to cause imbalance, and to send COM down the hill ?

[@levaneristavi7371]

Inside ski i mean :))

[@gogglebro9421]

@@levaneristavi7371A good question indeed. I hope Tom will reply to it. I've been experimenting with different ways of moving the COM inside the BOS. What works best for me is to try to coordinate my movements to minimize the sensation of being out of balance so that I maintain good contact with the snow.

[@wildbill805]

@@Triggerboy62 The way I envision doing what you say, regarding offsetting your COM to your BOS, is “throwing my body down the hill and catching it with the turn of my skis.“ Watching World Cup slalom racers in slow motion, that is what it appears is happening, namely that the body (COM) is proceeding in almost straight down the Fall Line and the skis are switching back and forth to miss the poles. The top skiers are unweighting (flexing) their downhill ski very early, which throws their body down the Fall line, which is then caught by the arcing of the new outside ski.

[@levleung2000]

dont mind your legs! focus your mind in changing the edges of the skis together and the body will follow! its that simple. mind over body!

[@AlpineMeister]

Is this where we acknowledge that 3/4 of our muscle memory is incorrect we rely on defensive unstructured movements every minute of every day the mind is the problem it never knew what the correct movement was.

[@gunnaruppstad3574]

@@tomkarlemo1241 The problem is that we have inefficiencies in almost any movement, it's just 'good enough' for normal use, but not for performance use. Those inefficiencies gets magnified and amplified on the slope, particularly our anterior pelvic tilt that causes excessive ankle pronation and lack of glute engagement for hip counter.

[@Triggerboy62]

@@gunnaruppstad3574 so you are saying anterior pelvic tilt causes a-framing? Im just making an updated version.

[@tomkarlemo1241]

@@gunnaruppstad3574 ok, so by curving our back we are improving parallel shins and hip counter?

[@gunnaruppstad3574]

@@Triggerboy62 I hesitate to answer, because there are so many sources that can be the cause for the dysfunctional results you see. Also, a-frame and anterior tilt are just redults, they don't tell you what muscular or neurological defiences you have developed in your motor patterns to get those results.

[@amundekroll7490]

Looking at your skiing it looks to me that even you could need some help with your right boot.

[@Triggerboy62]

I am currently fitting new boots. My previous boots were all canted out 0,5 deg. My Atomics had cuff adjustments that I ended up tilting the cuff back straight. On my new boots I have everything on zero at the moment. Not done the lifter plates at the bottom yet. Any thoughts?

[@saxsaul22]

great exercise

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks :)

[@madhatter227]

I often find myself getting bogged down in the details of a project instead of just getting things out of my brain. This is really good advice. I feel like this is especially hard for people just starting to use a DAW and trying to make projects because there's a certain level of familiarity and practice you have to get to before even simple things turn into a massive derailment (what BPM should I use, how do I find an effect that does what i want, etc.). But I'll try and focus on just making music and not getting bogged down!

[@Gumby1974]

Is there a way to tell if you're A-framing by looking at your tracks?

[@Triggerboy62]

Yes. If you are really observant you can go back and look at them very closely to see if your inside ski track is more shallow. You can maybe see it even from a chair lift. Also, if you inside ski is tracking at a much bigger radius meaning that track it is very wide at apex but narrow at transition or even skidded, then you are most possible A-framing. Hope this helps. Tom

[@Gumby1974]

@@Triggerboy62 That's a great help! I could even take a turn very near the trees and come back after and stop by it and look. My tracks for the most part look very similar and parallel, sometimes the inside ski track is lighter but still the same radius. Thanks so much.

[@mymlii]

Not exactly true. This way you will get of A-farme ONLY if your position is correct, and the wrong body position is the real cause in most cases. Just take a look at the first picture in this video, the one with comparison, and focus on the hips and upper body position-there is a huge outside rotation and yes, you can clearly notice hips and not the knees inclined into the turn. You will albo notice that skis do not go parallel. This is because in this position you shift your load too much on the inside ski, outside ski is not loaded enough and makes a bigger radius turn. It is the body position, and especially outside rotation of the hips which causes this problem. On the other side you see the skier properly inclined, his whole body leaning forward and inside the turn, knee, hip and shoulder line properly alligned. Drill #1 - learn to carve the turn pulling the inside leg up Drill #2 - on slow speed and almost flat slope try to make a turn using your legs only (‚aka’ knees forward and inside the turn). Here this trick from the video might actually help. Drill #3 - not a drill, just general tip, make sure your outside shoulder does not fall behind, push your body forward and inside the turn (actually this movement starts even before the turn begins, watch slow-motions from world cup GS) Skiing is but another sport, where body position is the key to success. And yes, strong core is important, so gym or at least a lot of planks is inevitable.

[@sheyy1160]

hi, I am currently a skiing student who is trying really hard on parallel turn >< On drill #3 you mentioned body forward which I can understand but when you said that push your body inside the turn ( I am not sure about this because people always said keep your body position forward and do not lean sideways?) The inside turn, I assume you mean that the snow side. Thank you so much for the tips thou lol

[@mymlii]

@@sheyy1160 when you will scroll down this page: www.voelkl.com/pl/produkty/narty/piste-all-mountain/deacon-76-pro-4389/ you will see an image of a guy in a yellow jacket - look at his body position - this is what I mean by "leaning forward and inside", especially pay attention to his upper body. Generally when you drive your skis by concentrating on your knees movement - forward, to put pressure on your boots, and inside, to put the skis on edges. The rest of the body should, in my opinion, follow that movement naturally, neither fight it, nor exaggerate. This will result generally in turn executed like the guy in a picture I am talking about.

[@Osnosis]

Ski. Play. Live. TV Agreed; touching the Outside knee creates angulation and can allow the inside ski to tip little-toe side.

[@dadok2410]

I noticed the same problem you're pointing out in the first picture: my inside ski is not parallel to the other one. You said it's a matter of loading too much the inside ski, but how can i solve this problem? I mean, watching the correct body position at 00:13 the upper body is completely leaned toward the inside of the curve, so how can i shift my weight to the outside ski? I hope i made myself clear. Thank you.

[@Osnosis]

Make it simple: stand on your outside ski (early in the turn), while you let your upper body “fall” towards the center of the turn. While this video is OK, it does represent real big mountain skiing. What you can’t see here is that a racing stance is done at a higher speed than a regular teaching situation.

[@delphetj]

Oh punaise, mais j'ai pas appris à skier en m'appuyant sur l'autre jambe. Le X c'est moi 😁🥲😉. Thanks for this video

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks for watching! Cheers, Tom

[@gerylagrande]

Having the proper canting of your ski boot helps even more with A-frame

[@Triggerboy62]

Yes, proper canting of your ski boots helps. But there is more to ski boots than canting. Design, cuff adjustments, foot beds, stiffness, fitting etc. They all play a major role in how your boots perform. So definitely see a pro boot fitter.

[@31acruz]

why?? some of the best skiers in the world use a good solid "A" frame, its far more stable and manageable then the free floating spaghetti parallel.

[@Triggerboy62]

Thys video really dont take any standpoint for or against. Just how to achieve parallel shins if that is what you want.

[@MrDogonjon]

Negative! longer lines stack more efficiently. Historically skiers uses both triangles an parallelograms... mostly parallelograms to manage random entropy. the more energy the more parallel to maintain equilibrium ...downhill...?

[@Triggerboy62]

@@MrDogonjon the ide behind parallel shins is to have both skis engahed.

[@31acruz]

@@MrDogonjon efficiently sure..but in the "wrong angle", it facilitates sliding in the same vector, ergo : less stable, the A frame converges at the top to help lock on the stance and manage it better, take a look at any Olympic or world cup racer coming down and you will see it, you will never see the upright parallel sliding spaghetti job.

[@jackelliott7853]

31acruz for me it’s easier for turns especially in slalom skiing with a team trust me it really helps

[@drl1046]

I believe I see some PMTS / Harald Harb here, correct? Nice

[@MrDogonjon]

PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR OBJECTING! My personal history includes formal non disclosures. Harrold Haarb is not one of them I don't approve of things I heard in Canada 2002. Failed! NO ENDORSEMENT!

[@drl1046]

Jon Jacoby I understand that PSIA is totally different so can see why you object, but in this video I see significant counteracting and counter-rotation, inside ski tipping, and most importantly flexing to release the turn. This is how I choose to ski myself - to each his own

[@Triggerboy62]

Great skiing is great skiing. Some describe it better than others :)

[@kasiakowalska500]

👍👍👍👏👏👏

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks, T

[@Burnhillrocks]

Tom the pro Ski teacher and KZbinr 👍👍👍

[@justyolivieri5807]

Before engaging into this subject, I read all the comments, expecting someone to come up with the right answer. Some came close.... To ski with naturally parallel legs, the easy way is to focus in your FEET. I'm not going to elaborate about what causes the A frame, because it makes not sense. instead, try the following: Edge with your INSIDE FOOT BY DOING THE ICECREAM SPOON DRILL. Get that inside foot to curl pulling down and in, (like lowering a door handle, etc...), so, the inside ski will be edged, and the upper part of the boot will push the leg inwards (leg, not knee). because the outside femur is connected to the inside femur by the hip, the outside leg will mirror the inside leg work. Of course the load should be felt on the outside foot arch. In other words, you stand on the outside foot (arch) and edge with the inside foot. try it and get back to me!!! Enjoy

[@Esperluet]

Don't understand the use of the iceceam spoon image. Could you clarify ?

[@justyolivieri5807]

@@Esperluet An ice cream spoon is round to hold an ice cream "ball". Normaly you would warm it by inmersing it in a cup of warm water!! then, you would dip the edge in the ice cream an roll it to get your portion. It is an analogy that only works for people that know what your arte talking about. For you, I woud use a different one probably, like picking up a tennis ball and turnit up to show the brand... or... or...Analogyes are just that.

[@Esperluet]

@@justyolivieri5807 What is the relationship with carving ?

[@justyolivieri5807]

@@Esperluet Carving, as you know means that your ski (skis) leaves sharp cut on the snow , without "drifting" of the tail, that follows the exact same line than the tip (s). The subjet here was "How to get rid of A Frame, WHILE CARVING, and the best way is to engage the future inside ski, to start the coming turn. To make this easy, imaging going straigth down the fall line.... wheight on both feet. To iniciate, a left turn roll the left ski onto the left edge (picture lowering the handle of a door to open it. As you do that, you load the left edge of the rigth ski (flatten the arch) Dragging booth poles will help. As you finish your uphill turn look at your twin sharp tracks. Tha is carving as long as you do not steer your skis but just let them ride their edges. To link, release the lower ski by the "spoon drill, or the door handle trick, or any other analogy that will trigger the edge change (cross over or under) or (a lot better) cross directly, which is a lot more efficient than the other two. " if you want me to elaborate, you will have to send me a money order jajajaja!! I have a hard time to write in english properly!! The foot movement is commonly called "supination". The more precise word is "invertion" wich means turning your foot towards the inside of the platform, etcc... A lot of instructors will teach to edge by pronation, (more precise word "evertion" but that the main reason for A FRAME, because it is not easy to mach simultaneusly both feet, and the everting movement pushes the corresponding leg, therefor hips to far to fast etc... etc... Just go out and feel your feet and the snow interacting thougth your skis and forget about body!!!!

[@justyolivieri5807]

@@Esperluet Check a video called from Jam session called Corso di sci : interno leader. most of the info is good, specially the drawings.

[@amundekroll7490]

Well if you take care of the alignment, the problem take care of it self.

[@Triggerboy62]

Yes, boot fitting is important for alignment and fit and much can be done and should in most cases but that does not discredit muscle conditioning and technique. I actually mentioned alignment in the video. Its a combination of both. Cheers, Tom

[@amundekroll7490]

Checking students equipment is the first thing you should do after you have introduced your self.

[@Triggerboy62]

Sure, students with un-waxed skis can really slow your lesson down :)

[@AlpineMeister]

Sorry one more point. Look how quickly and easily every one of the fabulous carving skiers in these web pages get the inside knee up. They develop tremendous angulation by getting the inside leg ( edge ) out of the way ( until they learn to put it down !!! ). The inside edge is often as high as the top of your outside boot. Even an extreme angulation on flat terrain requires this.

[@pitunakkon1429]

I can do both, but why is an a frame bad..?! I always felt the a frame was the more desirable form to do high speed turns.. I don't really get how you want to apply more pressure to the inside leg.. if you do that on an icy competition slope you will fall @ some point

[@Triggerboy62]

Thats why ski racing is so difficult. Everything has to be done on very icy conditions. The problem with A-frame is that you are not engaging the inside ski enough and you are also blocking yourself from reaching higher edge angles. It is also a week position for the knee. Cheers, Tom

[@normalizedaudio2481]

I must remember to mess with this. I think I have moderate A frame; but, not too bad.

[@Triggerboy62]

Good to hear you got something out of this. Great actually. Make sure you watch 3 Levels of Carving and subscribe csuse I have a new A-frame video in the works :)

[@Landwy1]

I've seen a lot of ski technique over the years that was discarded (i.e. ever heard of avalement, or reverse shoulder, etc.). These styles were mostly replaced by something more functional as equipment allowed it. However, don't go overboard as Henrik Kristofferson won many races (and still wins) with his more classical technique. Yes Hirsher and Shriffrin are doing very well with the technique. However, they have natural movements and not contrived positions as most skiers wanting to have railroad tracks demonstrate. Most importantly Hirsher and Shriffrin have a bag a tricks. What bothers me about the technique presented in the video is that it is limiting. This may work for SOME places in the race course but it does not make sound technique for skiing crud or other difficult conditions. Trying to get older U18 or collegiate racers to adapt to this technique is ok. However, don't do this to younger skiers These young skiers need foremost to be well rounded.

[@Evanturar]

You won me over when you mentioned “availment” George Joubert would be smiling to read your post. Yes and glissenage, cramponage, up-unweighting, all of the tools, not to mention an ancient thing called a “pole plant” I know, It seems obscure. Bag of tricks, quiver of tools, the whole shebang! Thanks Landwy!

[@danielbuchta1063]

It really works👍 Thanx😉

[@danielbuchta1063]

@@Triggerboy62 👍

[@derek9879]

need to strengthen your groin and gluteus med

[@Triggerboy62]

Yes

[@Esperluet]

1:22 Don't understand how the pressure has to be applied : in the direction of the red arrow ? EDIT : sorry, did not notice the hand was involved.

[@nickswampah3272]

Like ) And I have a question for you please. Your skis are working (bending) at quite low speeds. What is the ski model?

[@skiwhh]

The main cause is boot set up and boot fitting. It can be the adjustments of the cuff to the leg, the fit around the ankle, incorrect footbeds, the angles of the sole. Even with a very good aligment correction, poor movements can and will still result in "Debilitating A frames". Leg steering, knee drive and rotory efforts to turn the ski cause A framing. So before you try turning the ski just move to put ot on edge, on an angle, starting with the inside ski and leg.

[@nickswampah3272]

Thank you for the answer and for the time it took to answer )

[@feyzullahkoca3057]

Verry nice

[@davidbeazer9799]

Hmmm....that actually makes sense!

[@davidbeazer9799]

Thanks, I'll try that. I do need more work in this area... and something to do in the off-season.

[@blackwolves8607]

Yes but when it is icy?? You will fall like nothing if you will go on inside ski

[@blackwolves8607]

@@Triggerboy62 okay im a pro skier and i have that problem

[@JanosKoranyi]

I think the whole discussion is wrong. I believe that the A-frame comes when you come to a backseat situation during a carved turn, this is COM is situated behind the ski-boots. It does not help the A-frame which hand you put on which knee.... And also putting a hand on a knee is not for forcing the knee so you will have to struggle against it. Instead it just gives a feeling for which movement the knee should do.

[@trouts4444]

@@Triggerboy62 I disagree. V’ing is generally happens when too much weight is on the inside ski and the inside ski is too flat, not on edge with the outside ski. It is a common problem with U10’s, 12’s, 14’s & etc. Go up on a lift and notice all the V’s with intermediates and advanced skiers. Their COM will be ok but they have too much weight on the inside ski and usually little edge on the inside ski. Most don’t know about edging both skis or to unweigh the inside ski. There could be cases where COM being wrong causes too much weight on the inside ski so you could say COM was the cause but that would not really be so accurate. There are many things that could cause too much weight on the inside ski and improper edging of the inside ski. Incorrect COM is one. It is generally due to lack of knowledge or lack of focus to get the weighting and edging right. Try it yourself. Given your experience it would be tough but put more weight on the inside ski and less edge and see what happens. Better would be turn with a flat inside ski with more weight than usual and see what happens. The V’ing will start at the top of the turn requiring a forced correction by the middle or end of the turn. Many do this for years so have learned to correct so live with a mild V. The U racers just need a bit more focus on weighting and edging to get rid of the V.

[@JanosKoranyi]

@@trouts4444 I agree ,with you you are right.

[@prostokrasavchik8837]

What's the music name?

[@Triggerboy62]

Mysteries. Also called the A-frame song :)

[@Bushwacked487]

What song is this?

[@Triggerboy62]

Nice to run into old friends from Epic. Right? The song is Mysteries by Dan Lebowitz.

[@devilzwork3123]

Or just turn your hips so they’re parallel with the skis and your knees will straighten up. Compare at 0:14

[@Triggerboy62]

It is interesting what you say but I could have had a-frame in that moment if it was not for tipping that inside leg into the turn. Or?

[@sassluik1191]

Guys watch Marcel Hircher in slow motion and you can see that hips go more in while having A frame.

[@TL-fn8iv]

It's not full curves, only halves ...

[@MrDogonjon]

It's math! Parallelogram Law! Really! Mass energy density tensor fields support us from compacting into the earths mass. Efficient stacking around core strength minimizes shorter, tighter, cramped triangular geometry maximizing more efficient longer, stronger, open parallelogram geometry. It's math.

[@WikkyPlays]

@@joim3480 Gotem!!!

[@AlpineMeister]

Why can't you just ask the student to allow complete flexing relaxing of the inside hip let your inside knee ride up easily. Half of the A frame is coming from a misguided sense that the inside foot should carry much pressure on the snow. Now at low pressure you can actually learn how to tip your outside ( little toe ) edge of your inside foot . Finally the inside edge is doing something other than skidding. The tip is easy because its a more relaxed inside leg. I think it promotes greater angulation getting rid of the inside foot crutch and once again an understanding of how much pressure your inside edge really needs. There doesn't half to be any foot shuffling in this process the inside ski is being led ( not pushed ) into each turn. ( if your inside foot is too advanced from your outside foot you will never get this because everybody in this blog is correct . leg bones don't work that way )

[@munze01]

So, why the World Cup Skiers have the A-frame ?!?

[@Triggerboy62]

Good call. But if you look at how they train on an easy course or when they free ski in a relaxed manner they don't usually have any A-frame but when pushing it and/or racing sometimes they do. Also, racers that show more A-frame are usually on less aggressive boots with less canting. This way they can incline more into the turn for higher edge angles.

[@okim8807]

need more boots-kant.

[@Triggerboy62]

Thanks for watching. Which skier needs more boot kanting?

[@okim8807]

the first one on the right up.gc-img.net/post_img/2019/09/9Z2EWVTe4ErsR2p_fiAD6_2.jpeg It's probably called "genu recurvatum", "fake bowleg", or "false curvature". A skier who has terrible fake bowlegs need more boot kanting. me!!! So I used to ski with A-frame.

[@amundekroll7490]

With correct boot alignment the person can become a very good skier in spite of the instructor because he will get the ultimate feedback from his skis. To understand how this work you must have had a great adjustment on your own boots.You should always try to get to the root of the problem not putting banded on.I see instructors trying to help students with up to 25 different problems that boot alignment will take care of. And again avoid talking about what not to do ,and try not to talk so much. Skiing is very simple.

[@Triggerboy62]

Indeed, the hill can teach us everything because in good skiing all movements are totally natural and in line with what we teach. And yes, people do not know how to set up boots. Get a great boot fitter and spend some time and money on getting a good setup. Cheers, Tom

[@amundekroll7490]

Never do anything to the sole of the boots.You must have seen a boot guru that does not under stand how to do alignment.There are quite a few of those out there and they are just trying to make a living.

[@Triggerboy62]

Interesting. Can you expand? You are probably right. Self claimed boot fitters that in truth are just sales personnel usually do not know what they are doing. My experience is that different surfaces and speed call for different boot setup, also canting. The softer and slower you ski the more you benefit from canting boots outwards. Make them ore aggressive. We mainly put the shims on the bottom of the boots to raise them to FIS level and protect the lugs from wear but experimented a bit with very very moderate canting angles. Not more then 0,5. However, this effect wears off if you tilt the shafts inwards back to neutral. I did that on my old Redster 150s. Much better on hard surface then the Dalbellos. It is going to be interesting to see how my skiing changes now that my new boots are neutral. Are you a boot fitter?

[@DragNetJoe]

This is bizarre. The easiest way to get the inside ski parallel is to get off it.

[@jusgibs]

DragNetJoe, that’s too intuitive! It seems it must be a complicated science for it to be accepted as “Done correctly”. I mean, out of 7 billion of us, none of us were able to figure out how to walk from a crawl without receiving lessons.

[@Triggerboy62]

Parallel shins and parallel skis are not the same thing. Parallel shins relates to modern carving technique.

[@DragNetJoe]

@@Triggerboy62 Your own picture looks like what you refer to as the "dreaded" A frame, as do pro and Olympic skiers.

[@jazzechos1372]

I cant figure out why I would want to go from "this" to "that" when "THIS" happens to be the typical slalom race position when making a cut left.

[@Triggerboy62]

A-frame will happen at some point when racing but that does not mean that we should not train how to keep our shins parallel. I have not seen any WC racer ignore parallel shins in their training. Especially not early in the turn. Its because it blocks us from inclining into the turn and the inside ski is also of vital importance through out the turn. We want to be able to tip that outside leg as far into the turn as necessary and drop our hip low. Makes sense?

[@kjetilbmoe]

Be careful with those final slomo turns, you're really stressing your core by trying to keep upper body still. You would enjoy more by allowing more vertical dynamics/movement, AND also get a more powerful turn.

[@DM-fp8uw]

Vertical movement is not used in this system. It is considered a flaw to be avoided. Turning is based on creating high edge angles.

[@markmd9]

To go carving you have to go fast, no novice want to risk and go fast!

[@LimpiezasMyG]

incorrect. Carving has nothing to do with speed but with technique. Ok, if you go VERY slow you can't carve, but you can do it at a very easy pace for a beginner if you got your basics straight

[@stuffdrive4991]

What is the music ?

[@stuffdrive4991]

@@Triggerboy62 ;) You're right. It's a great song specially for a free library song .

[@lucysullcahuamandelgado8793]

Interesting

[@donaldfiesta8666]

And this too shall pass😊

[@hbaDave]

How to go from 'I don't care' to ' no one cares'.....

[@Triggerboy62]

I care :)

[@amundekroll7490]

If I had your email I could send you something.

[@Triggerboy62]

My email is: [e-mail]