I drove these NEW electric cars until they DIED!

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@carwow
@carwow 6 күн бұрын
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@GamMngitSssEmoTionaL5953
@GamMngitSssEmoTionaL5953 6 күн бұрын
@Carwow Great video and great reviews of the car mate great work from team all round 🙏✌️ but I have to ask that's 7 different cars jumping out and into another are surely that kinda ruins the mileage from slowing down coming to a stop and then going off again ? Or when and if you find a charger when you stop are you just charging them up slightly to make up for that difference? Thanks for another great video and Happy Holidays to yours the family and the Team 🎄🤟
@davidfujkk8018
@davidfujkk8018 6 күн бұрын
You just proved that evs are pointless with available battery tech right now and you have to pay more for the same distance travelled compared with diesel and gasoline powered vehicles.
@Mr.FranciscodeMiranda
@Mr.FranciscodeMiranda 6 күн бұрын
C’mon carwow give us km too!
@tim66612343
@tim66612343 6 күн бұрын
This is really disingenuously @carwow. So much FUD. I mean you even went out of your way to stop at Leicester Forest east where you knew the chargers had not yet been installed. The next 2 services north and south are Watford Gap, 9 chargers and castle Donington 14 chargers. Obviously didn’t fit with your narrative. electric cars don’t fit for everyone especially if you’re in that 5% who drives long distances weekly but for the vast majority they are fine and in some cases better.
@craig8638
@craig8638 5 күн бұрын
WLTP range estimates are ridiculous. EPA is much closer to reality.
@ingocernohorsky
@ingocernohorsky 6 күн бұрын
How about an EV Challenge for 2 years old used ones?
@TheRealEmile
@TheRealEmile 6 күн бұрын
Wouldn't be massively useful considering it depends on how they were used, only way to do it accurately would be to buy several different EV's from a fleet but even then
@weed46
@weed46 6 күн бұрын
@@TheRealEmile it would be good to test how much can you trust the battery health %. For example, if a car with 90% battery health, actually delivers 90% of the range, and run it side by side with a brand new one.
@thatpeskyswan
@thatpeskyswan 6 күн бұрын
@@TheRealEmile not really, everyone drives differently and a used EV could've came from anyone, i think a 2yr old EV test would be a great idea but would need either rental or doner cars from frieds/subscribers etc. it could happen. Matt's vid on the cheapest nissan leaf was a real eye opener with just its 54 mile range
@TheRealEmile
@TheRealEmile 6 күн бұрын
@@thatpeskyswan Literally what I said, hence why it wouldn't be fair or have any purpose unless you specifically knew the cars backstory
@IReahpZz
@IReahpZz 6 күн бұрын
@@weed46you won’t see 10% drop in 2 years I saw that in my 8 year old 3 after 140k miles and constant 100% charging every day
@Rexy_Raccoon
@Rexy_Raccoon 5 күн бұрын
Model Claimed Range (km) Actual Range (km) Percentage Achieved Consumption (kWh/100km) Polestar 4 599 536 90% 17.7 Porsche Macan 621 512 82% 17.7 Tesla Model Y 600 473 79% 16.3 Ford Explorer 602 468 78% 16.3 Kia EV6 558 451 81% 18.2 Audi Q4 e-Tron 541 431 79% 17.7
@FirstLast-rh9jw
@FirstLast-rh9jw 5 күн бұрын
What are these km things?
@Rexy_Raccoon
@Rexy_Raccoon 5 күн бұрын
@@FirstLast-rh9jw The range in kilometers instead of miles
@vishu3822
@vishu3822 4 күн бұрын
thank you for converting it into the metric system
@MCFrutek
@MCFrutek 4 күн бұрын
@@FirstLast-rh9jw In Europe, we use metric system.. we use km for range, not miles.
@Harhawink
@Harhawink 4 күн бұрын
then take pricing and charging speed into the equation and the Kia will just eat up everybody. Don't need to talk about warranty because the game is over already at this point. Talking about warranty and reliability would just humiliate others.
@stijnhs
@stijnhs 4 күн бұрын
Heated seats consume way way wayyyyy less than the heater. As an EV driver i generally just use seat heater and steering wheel heater when it's cold as this uses a tiny fraction of the energy the cabin heater uses.
@MaximKilligan
@MaximKilligan 4 күн бұрын
All those cars have heat pumps: that uses a lot less power than normal heating
@TarkasBane
@TarkasBane 4 күн бұрын
I turn all of that shit on when it's cold. idgaf
@ScouseSponge
@ScouseSponge 3 күн бұрын
Thought the same, mat had the blowers on about 4/6 bars which probably lost 10% of the range across the journey.
@joel9873
@joel9873 3 күн бұрын
If I have to pick and choose which options I can use when I drive that isn't going to work for most people. I don't think the support car had to do that.
@Prakicov
@Prakicov 3 күн бұрын
That is kinda expected for real life test. One will never go into numbers and KWh. They will turn the heating on, just like any ICE car. You need to get there, not to analyze battery consumption while driving...
@sdndkjd
@sdndkjd 6 күн бұрын
I hope to see Budget Electric car battery range test from £15k car like Dacia Spring to £30k cars.
@yeahyeahblah
@yeahyeahblah 6 күн бұрын
Indeed, definitely a growing segment with lots of new cars like Renault 5, Citreon ec3, Vauxhall Frontier etc.
@davidfujkk8018
@davidfujkk8018 6 күн бұрын
Carwow just proved that evs are pointless with available battery tech right now and you have to pay more for the same distance travelled compared with diesel and gasoline powered vehicles
@dinohermann1887
@dinohermann1887 6 күн бұрын
@@davidfujkk8018Technology will improve, I won‘t give up any hope regarding that 🤞
@LittleBoobsLover
@LittleBoobsLover 6 күн бұрын
also hyundai kona - very efficient car. Maybe electric cars after 100k km?
@huiputka1
@huiputka1 6 күн бұрын
@@davidfujkk8018 I would agree that EVs are not ideal if you regularly do 300 mile trips each way, however, most EV owners don't do more than 100 miles each way and charge at home. That's where real savings are made. I used to spend £200 in diesel each month, now I spend between £15-20 charging at home. Not to mention the savings from the 0 maintenance required for EVs where my diesels annual service was around £800.
@the_deee
@the_deee 6 күн бұрын
"News from the Porsche, Please check range" "So i checked range"
@GallAnonim-jx2cz
@GallAnonim-jx2cz 5 күн бұрын
Meanwhile in China we have cars going 700km for half price of these in the test:) Electricity is ~0.08GBP/khw at home and 0.13GBP/kwh in public chargers. There are no any apps for charging just universal payment system that always works. Sales of EVs and PHEVs reached 60% of the market. Polestar 4 sales are basically zero even though it cost just 18k GPB to buy LOL. China=future, Europe=dead
@russellsneddon410
@russellsneddon410 4 күн бұрын
There should be 2 winners in these tests: the car with the longest range; and the most efficient car. It’s fairly obvious that cars with much larger batteries will most likely go the furthest. It’s arguable that efficiency is more important, since that is what dictates cost per mile.
@AstroLynkz
@AstroLynkz Күн бұрын
100% agree. Anyone can shove a bigger battery pack in. But only few can run it efficiently
@raywalker4656
@raywalker4656 Күн бұрын
The critical factor is battery recharge time, and not capacity. If I have a small battery and I can recharge tin 5-10 minutes, I'm going to beat the bigger capacity batteries that can take hours to recharge to 100%. So they only charge to 80%. Clearly there is a tradeoff, as more short stops in an EV, when you have to deal with no free charge stations available because they are either broken or busy, then another issue is many are unable to deliver the rated charge rate. Hybrid is the most efficient solution at present.
@Mika-85
@Mika-85 Күн бұрын
But there was no efficiency winner. Ford and Tesla both had the exact same efficiency
@daanvandenbussche2810
@daanvandenbussche2810 22 сағат бұрын
​@@Mika-85 I don't know what nobody notices this but the Tesla is more efficient: It's obvious the numbers in the video are wrong because if the Tesla has a 74kWh battery and the ford Explorer has 82kWh, and the Tesla travelled 3 more miles while the battery of the ford is 11% larger, this means the tesla is way more efficient. You can actually see at 45:00 that the tesla actually consumed 252wh/mile, which equates to 3,97miles/kWh instead of 3,8miles/kWh
@janakiedewanarayana2153
@janakiedewanarayana2153 8 сағат бұрын
But they are the same price.
@luHopa
@luHopa 5 күн бұрын
Mat Watson running Carwow like Michael Scott 😂
@rodneytomWA
@rodneytomWA 5 күн бұрын
Full comparison chart: 49:40
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 5 күн бұрын
Thats very interesting comparison indeed.
@morri03
@morri03 5 күн бұрын
Interesting so about 80% of claimed. However in reality you are doing permanent damage running the batteries out like this so take 80% of that range for what you could realistically use in the real world if you owned the depreciation machine, I mean car.
@joshgoodman6534
@joshgoodman6534 5 күн бұрын
@@morri03 charging at home for free can not be beat. then the plus of the acceleration and full self driving tech is perfect
@morri03
@morri03 5 күн бұрын
@ good to know electricity is free where you live. What matters is the total cost of ownership and crippling depreciation is a huge issue with EVs because most people don’t want one. They are quite nice to drive as a second city car but if you enjoy driving they lack the drama of an ICE vehicle and their handling is impaired because of excess weight.
@gigachad4489
@gigachad4489 19 сағат бұрын
🙏
@Itsopzac
@Itsopzac 4 күн бұрын
Come on Skoda🎉 *Cameraman never dies*
@TheAegisClaw
@TheAegisClaw 6 күн бұрын
Claimed range is always a combined cycle, so if you're not doing any urban driving you'll be well below claimed range in any EV.
@drunkenhobo8020
@drunkenhobo8020 6 күн бұрын
Yeah they test them like a petrol car where motorway driving is more efficient. But with an EV you don't get the regen from braking.
@zlmdragon.
@zlmdragon. 6 күн бұрын
@@drunkenhobo8020 surely there's claimed range for both situations somewhere on the internet?
@rhesarozendaal
@rhesarozendaal 6 күн бұрын
plus the weather looked pretty miserable. 15-20% less range in winter sounds about right to me.
@zlmdragon.
@zlmdragon. 6 күн бұрын
@@rhesarozendaal winter?
@aaronmastrogiacomo6078
@aaronmastrogiacomo6078 5 күн бұрын
I own an ev in Australia, so i may not see such a decline, but it blows my mind they lose charge because it's cold. ​@rhesarozendaal
@danielstrange290
@danielstrange290 6 күн бұрын
If the Polestar was on its standard wheels it would have gone even further ! Crazy, good work Polestar 😍🏎️
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 5 күн бұрын
Polestar's engine reliability is surprisingly amazing too.
@christianolsen9781
@christianolsen9781 4 күн бұрын
Crazy good? It has a huge battery.. both Tesla and Ford is more effecient.
@quavohuncho6156
@quavohuncho6156 4 күн бұрын
@@christianolsen9781Yes and Polestar 4 weights alot more also
@Vahndamme
@Vahndamme 3 күн бұрын
​@@christianolsen9781 efficiency doesn't matter.. as you increase weight, you decrease efficiency.. so in the end; only thing that matters is.. how far did it go? How much of it's claimed range? And how much did it cost for it's equipment? + it's harder to put a value on.. -> sentiment value. All in all, if you want an EV that goes crazy far.. you can, it can go way further than this. But it'll be heavy, a nightmare to handle and so on. Like basically one giant battery, 4 tiny wheels with efficient af tyres and efficient electric motor. All while having a very good aerodynamic shape. + barebone and very light material.. Conclusion? No luxury, no space, no sentiment value, hardly any proper design as it'll just be curvey and definitely not much fun to drive and in the end it'll still be expensive due to the high costs for premium lightweight materials.. and ah yes, it'll probably be unsafe and not street legal. So all in all, seeing all these packages. We know Tesla is quite barebone, good lightweight, awful looks, efficient motor, sentiment value for many is second to none and so on. It is 'cheap' and practical yes. It is an appliance more than it is a car but that's my take. I'm glad the Polestar won and the other cars performed like they did. Well.. some absolutely not worth their price tag. Though EVs are constantly changing due to their nature of increasing it's dependency on advanced tech. It moves fast and will soon surpass even ICE vehicles in all categories. Just a matter of time. For pure city driving with a home charger it already is vastly superior, which is majority of people's usecases 90% of the time.
@shinoMusic
@shinoMusic 3 күн бұрын
​@@Vahndamme you are wrong about the weight. Solid state batteries are around the corner and barely increase weight for 40-50% more range.
@johnnyrosenberg9522
@johnnyrosenberg9522 3 күн бұрын
Back in the old days when everything was in black and white and electric cars was not a thing, people always complained about the fuel consumption being way worse than ”promised”. Nobody seems to remember that today, though.
@UntLion
@UntLion 6 күн бұрын
This was a genuine surprise, but I love these videos! Glad to see that they're still going every now and then!
@BobBaumeister-g8v
@BobBaumeister-g8v 6 күн бұрын
Formme the most intresting one was, that they have more or less the same consumtion per mile. So the decission is more on other specs like style inside/outside, horsepower, battery size and chargingspeed.
@FirstLast-rh9jw
@FirstLast-rh9jw 5 күн бұрын
@@BobBaumeister-g8v Electric cars are like fridges, they have the same charateristics, more or less the same efficiency as you spotted. Handling is out of question when many of them are way over two tons. Its like deciding which fridge you want, check the specs, then get a .... white one.
@FFVoyager
@FFVoyager 5 күн бұрын
​@@FirstLast-rh9jw there are a lot of cross-platform sharing - the Ford and the Audi have the same MEB platform underpinnings as the Skoda Enyaq and VW ID4/5 and the EV6 is using the same Hyundai E-GMP platform as the Ioniq 5 and Genesis GV60. The Polestar uses the Geely CMA platform as does the Volvo XC40 and many Chinese market cars we don't get yet and I suspect other VAG cars will soon appear using the new PPE chassis and the Macan while Tesla are unique to themselves.
@rocketman69420-s
@rocketman69420-s 5 күн бұрын
@@FirstLast-rh9jw you'd be suprised by how the toruqe and hp boost masks the weight while turning in corners...the handling for lots of EVs end up being better than their ICE non-sporty counterparts. Now ICE sport cars vs EV sport cars is a whole different conversation...
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 5 күн бұрын
​@@rocketman69420-sis it possible to include engine swap on these EV machines?
@TheBanterLounge
@TheBanterLounge 6 күн бұрын
All these comments when the video has been live for one minute, you haven't even seen what happens with the horse yet!
@stvarnonevjerovatno3700
@stvarnonevjerovatno3700 5 күн бұрын
The cheapest to run and most eco friendly?
@geetee4037
@geetee4037 5 күн бұрын
The haters just like to sound off because they love exhaust pipes.
@erotallman
@erotallman 5 күн бұрын
​@@geetee4037yes, yes we do
@erotallman
@erotallman 5 күн бұрын
​@@geetee4037And?
@benjimc1
@benjimc1 5 күн бұрын
Wait until they see what Matt did to that 🐐 too...
@matpat2636
@matpat2636 5 күн бұрын
Using the 94 kWh battery in the Polestar as an example, it did the journey there and back in 2 full charges, using 188 kWh of electricity. Using the average price per litre of diesel at £1.42 it seems as though the Skoda used around 64.8 litres of diesel. There’s approx 10.25 kWh of energy in a litre of diesel, so the Skoda used around 664 kWh of energy to go the same distance, compared with the 188kWh of energy used by the Polestar.
@kittonsplodge
@kittonsplodge 5 күн бұрын
This is rarely discussed. EVs are massively more efficient than ICE cars. Once battery energy density improves there will be be no contest
@Saddex
@Saddex 5 күн бұрын
@@kittonsplodge It's also the reason why EVs tend to blow ICE cars out of the water on running costs when not using DCFC. It's astonishingly cheap. And in Norway and Sweden, fast charging prices are much more reasonable.
@kovu159
@kovu159 3 күн бұрын
If the electricity were miraculously produced, yes. But you have additional efficiency losses in production and transmission of the electricity.
@matpat2636
@matpat2636 3 күн бұрын
@@kovu159 indeed. Because diesel is magically produced and just jumps out of the ground and straight into your tank. Of course there's additional energy involved in getting it to the cars, but the calculation is for the energy used by the cars. If you also want to add the energy costs in production, diesel (or petrol) would be an order of magnitude less efficient again.
@ctk4949
@ctk4949 6 күн бұрын
Wow that Polestar getting that much range in 8c temp, is really good.
@kennethsmyth
@kennethsmyth 5 күн бұрын
Massive battery of course it should do well
@ctk4949
@ctk4949 5 күн бұрын
@kennethsmyth Not true, the Lyriq has a massive battery and it's range is not that great.
@micglou
@micglou 5 күн бұрын
@@ctk4949 Just because there is an example of a car with a big battery that doesn't have great range, doesn't change the fact that the bigger the battery the greater the range... so yes, absolutely true.
@ctk4949
@ctk4949 5 күн бұрын
@@micglou OK just because it has a massive battery doesn't mean "it should do well". lol
@iamthesmart-smrt
@iamthesmart-smrt 5 күн бұрын
If you gave the Tesla a 95KWh useable battery it would have done over 375 miles, real world.
@chrisfreeman2238
@chrisfreeman2238 6 күн бұрын
Another point, my old Polestar 2 was bought with a claimed range of 230 miles. I routinely drove it to 225 miles. Which was great. But then they release new software that was to better manage the energy consumption, and now the range bumped up to 250 miles. But I would still get the same 225 mile range, the best was 200 miles driven and 25 stated as reserve. I would have loved to drove it to a stop like you did to see what the real mileage was like.
@dragonfilth13
@dragonfilth13 5 күн бұрын
21 plate LRDM here with 65k. Summer I was getting about 240, winter is more like 170 These tests are a bit useless though, in the real world you'd just pull in and add charge as and when. Imagine doing this with ICE cars 😅
@ArktinenPeikko
@ArktinenPeikko 5 күн бұрын
@@dragonfilth13 Me being broke always do that with my cars... "Just need to get one more day out of it to reach payday to fill her up" etc 😂 To be fair, never to complete stop (on purpose at least) but to basically running on fumes. I do get your point tho. Seems like the most common complaint for EV's here in Finland is that "you need to go and find a charger to get more electricity" without realizing that its exactly the same with any petrol or diesel car too... or gas powered. that is if you live in an old apartment building with no chargers added to your parking area. I wonder if used polestar would be a decent first EV. How's the range nowadays with your car compared to new? not like 65k is much, but still more than a brand new.
@GallAnonim-jx2cz
@GallAnonim-jx2cz 5 күн бұрын
Meanwhile in China we have cars going 700km for half price of these in the test:) Electricity is ~0.08GBP/khw at home and 0.13GBP/kwh in public chargers. There are no any apps for charging just universal payment system that always works. Sales of EVs and PHEVs reached 60% of the market. Polestar 4 sales are basically zero even though it cost just 18k GPB to buy LOL. China=future, Europe=dead
@sudiptodas0001
@sudiptodas0001 5 күн бұрын
unless you are forced to do it, draining your battery to its limit regularly will degrade your batteries quickly
@FFVoyager
@FFVoyager 5 күн бұрын
​@@ArktinenPeikkodo you regularly drive more than 330 miles a day?
@RolandKontson
@RolandKontson Күн бұрын
18:47 Very nice interior 49:40 summary 49:55 UK fuel price
@clarkeyboy6969
@clarkeyboy6969 6 күн бұрын
Love these real world reviews.
@Flynbourne
@Flynbourne 6 күн бұрын
It was so real that as soon as he got to Scotland he immediately turned around.
@USUG0
@USUG0 5 күн бұрын
indeed, kind of pointless these days. On long trips what counts is the combination of efficiency and charging speed. 1000km Taycan 8h40m estimated ModelS 8h55m Macan 9h30m ModelY 9h45m Polestar4 10h00m Petrol car (one 15min stop) 8h35m
@Twin.motors
@Twin.motors 5 күн бұрын
​@@USUG0 That time you have for the Y is for the old 57kw battery, not the one in this video which should spank every other Y time.
@USUG0
@USUG0 5 күн бұрын
@@Twin.motors ​ @Twin.motors nope! It is for the MYLR AWD. The time for the MYrwd is 9h55m. If it is the LRrwd probably 9h30m at best
@Twin.motors
@Twin.motors 5 күн бұрын
@USUG0 so... You're just guessing ? Maybe we should wait and see the real world results. The Y rwd long range is substantially more efficient than the other Ys
@FFVoyager
@FFVoyager 5 күн бұрын
1:55. Electric seats are NOT a 'bit of a drain on the battery'. You would not be able to discern the tiny amount of energy they would use. But setting the climate control at 20 degrees would make a difference!
@riba2233
@riba2233 5 күн бұрын
Yep, incredible how people don't realise that
@FFVoyager
@FFVoyager 5 күн бұрын
@riba2233 it's worse when somebody with some influence mentions it on a KZbin video! Actually using the cabin heater can increase or reduce range dramatically - when you are short of range just drop the heat and gain usable range. Turning an electric seat heater on or off will make no difference at all.
@rsoul3748
@rsoul3748 5 күн бұрын
Electric "heated" seats
@nomansland120
@nomansland120 5 күн бұрын
Yes. Heated seats are recommended over using the climate because the power consumption is much less. Motorjournalists know fucking nothing.
@Obvsaninternetexpert
@Obvsaninternetexpert 4 күн бұрын
Google says Tesla’s heated seats run at 50w….. so 50wh per hour of use In about 5 hours (guessing) it would use 250wh It did 252wh per mile So 1 mile
@thomasschlitzer7541
@thomasschlitzer7541 2 күн бұрын
My EV6 goes from here to stuttgart in one go with 40 miles left. I drove that route weekly last year. That’s about 300 miles. 75 mph/120 km/h. Don’t know what you did with that car. EV6 AWD. And don’t forget my EV6 just needs 15 mins to 80%. The EV6 was faster than my RS5.
@quavohuncho6156
@quavohuncho6156 5 күн бұрын
As a Polestar 2 driver since 2020 im really proud. 73 000 miles with performance package , and really happy. I tested all recent EV:s and again, the Polestar 3 and 4 were the best. Polestar is doing a really good job! We have a Tesla model 3 also but the Polestar is so much better in terms of quality and handling.
@siraff4461
@siraff4461 5 күн бұрын
How is it holding up? Has it lost much range? How is the interior, drive adn all the rest? I'm considering an older one as a city run about and they look good so long as they keep going.
@quavohuncho6156
@quavohuncho6156 5 күн бұрын
@@siraff4461 Really good. In fact our Tesla model 3 from 2022 with 34 000 miles has much more issues and rattles than the Polestar. If you are buying an older one, you need to test the front and rear drive shaft. The older ones had issues with it and Volvo replaced them. I had mine replaced. Symptoms were "clicking noises" while driving with the steering fully turned and clicking noises from the rear when braking. Other than that , it's the best EV I've ever owned. Our Tesla has so much issues, I will continue with Polestar.
@DerFettePandaLP
@DerFettePandaLP 5 күн бұрын
How can you see anything out of the polestar? I testdrove one before i bought my Tesla Model 3 Longrange and i couldnt see anything due to the pillars being huge. Also my knee/leg kept hitting the mid console when pressing on the accelerator pedal. It was an incredibly annoying and terrible car to drive the 20 minutes i drove it. And then the cluttered interface. Like yeah the interor was alright, but then id rather take acceleration, range, tesla interface, app, smart summon etc.
@DerFettePandaLP
@DerFettePandaLP 5 күн бұрын
@@quavohuncho6156 Oh also, drove 75000 km in my M3 from 2022 so far and the only problem was a broken aero cover and something that was recalled with the trunk, cant remember what though. And of course it got fixed under warranty
@Jeroenneman
@Jeroenneman 5 күн бұрын
​@@quavohuncho6156Sure mate. That's why they're selling so well. Cramped interior, lacking updates, bad software, no real app support. Polestar is DOA.
@PierreVilleneuve88
@PierreVilleneuve88 5 күн бұрын
Not using the electric heated seat is a big mistake. It sips a tiny fraction of regular cabin heating.
@ilvars5251
@ilvars5251 5 күн бұрын
😂
@GHOOGLEMALE
@GHOOGLEMALE 5 күн бұрын
Agreed - hardly uses anything at all, maybe a mile or so of range. Using the car heater and AC really dents it.
@Fanaleds-software
@Fanaleds-software 5 күн бұрын
Yeah weird. Even with heatpumps, the electric seats are using much much less energy.
@davidcottrell570
@davidcottrell570 5 күн бұрын
Let’s clarify this. I’ve owned a Volvo Recharge for two plus years with a heat pump. Love it. The biggest consumer of power for heating is keeping the battery warm, even at 6C unless you’ve been driving half an hour or more, or have pre-conditioned. I use my seat heater all the time - they draw about 2-4kWh of power. The Range Optimizer tells you exactly what you use (the P2 and doubtless the new P3 have one). Once the battery is warm, using the resistive seat heater will use more power than the heat pump. At 6 Celsius, they’re quite efficient. But make no mistake, warming even a 75kW battery uses a lot of power, let alone the 111kW one in the Polestar 3. You just charge a bit more frequently in Winter in a coastal climate. If you live in Continental Europe or North America with well below sub zero temperatures, the battery is being warmed all of the time and efficiency suffers, just as it does with an ICE vehicle.
@sprockkets
@sprockkets 4 күн бұрын
​@davidcottrell570 that's weird. I never need to heat my battery in my niro, and my heated seat uses maybe 50 watts.
@POTThaesslich
@POTThaesslich 3 күн бұрын
I think the most important part here is the last 30 seconds. EVs are no longer cost competitive if you rely on public charging (and with VED coming in), thus the slow uptake
@viktorhedlund8655
@viktorhedlund8655 4 сағат бұрын
Matt didn't really give the whole story. If charging at public chargers adds £48 and the cost of one charge each at home and at public chargers is £92 total, then the cost of only charging at home is £44. Basically, the EV is only more expensive for roadtrips but it's less than half the cost in day-to-day driving when you charge at home
@sergeykuznetsov4314
@sergeykuznetsov4314 5 күн бұрын
Electricity costs are insane in the UK, a 600 mile drive for me in US is like... $20-30 in an electric car in Washington
@JonathanPalfrey
@JonathanPalfrey 5 күн бұрын
This is very much the absolute most it could cost using the most expensive chargers. The Tesla for example would have cost about £35-£42 in reality.
@FirstLast-rh9jw
@FirstLast-rh9jw 5 күн бұрын
Yup, its part of the ongoing decline of the country. No more steelworks, industry fleeing these shores.
@iamthesmart-smrt
@iamthesmart-smrt 5 күн бұрын
Superchargers for the Tesla are way cheaper, but they failed to mention that part.
@user-ug8wx5er1w
@user-ug8wx5er1w 5 күн бұрын
Coal is cheaper - they use that to make these EVs in China
@ALFOONUS
@ALFOONUS 5 күн бұрын
I pay $9 for 300 miles, so it appears you are the one paying more, I'm in the UK
@DC-pe3fr
@DC-pe3fr 6 күн бұрын
Working for Mat looks........painful
@GenjiShimada
@GenjiShimada 5 күн бұрын
It looks fun
@robertnewhart3547
@robertnewhart3547 5 күн бұрын
Degrading.
@hermesliteratus882
@hermesliteratus882 5 күн бұрын
Humiliating.
@Johnny91832
@Johnny91832 5 күн бұрын
This is an entertainment channel after all.
@Ash-so6qn
@Ash-so6qn 3 күн бұрын
I think what Matt is making these guys do for the sake of entertainment is not good at all. Would he treat his dad that way?
@siamiam
@siamiam 4 күн бұрын
Skoda had full power all the way
@martinsoelby5902
@martinsoelby5902 4 күн бұрын
Exactly. The last painfully slow miles are utterly irrelevant. Range stops when power gets restricted.
@rahansk8200
@rahansk8200 2 күн бұрын
full power until the end, but it is not very big.
@TheEryk03
@TheEryk03 2 күн бұрын
Skoda is the winner of this test.
@rantingyoof6960
@rantingyoof6960 2 күн бұрын
ICE motoring is going to win in terms of convenience and cost in any situation where the test is to drive to Scotland and back over two days using public rapid charging. This sort of test is admittedly quite entertaining but it represents a vanishingly small percentage of actual real world use. The last time I did more than 200 miles in one day was November 2022, and the last time I did more than 200 miles in one direction in one day was June 2018. It's a shame Mat Watson doesn't say as much in the video, although I'd hope most people would realise that not every single person in the country is trying to go from England to Scotland every day!
@shootingdutch
@shootingdutch 2 күн бұрын
@@rantingyoof6960 there is gotta be more to it then that. I have allready seen a lot of people switch to an EV and switch back to a ICE years later. They all drove Tesla, polestar, Hyundai and Kia. I think the biggest factor is pricing, I can't justify a EV with 80% of it original batttery and also losing another 20% in range in the winter, being way more expensive then an ICE, cost more in taxes and is just as expensive in consumption, while risking it being a totalloss when the battery dies.
@ashliehiggins
@ashliehiggins 6 күн бұрын
Gonna have to do this again with the E-C3, Spring, EX30, and R5.
@jameswebster5672
@jameswebster5672 6 күн бұрын
Matt hazing the interns.
@hermesliteratus882
@hermesliteratus882 5 күн бұрын
The interns are just pathetic.
@gulshanpaul4961
@gulshanpaul4961 4 күн бұрын
I have done 5000 miles so far on my Skoda Enyaq 85 edition, and I am averaging 4.2kwh. It depends on the driving style, and how heavy footed you are.
@OrionAerospaceKSP
@OrionAerospaceKSP 6 күн бұрын
Was not expecting Polestar to win this one. Fantastic!
@qbi4614
@qbi4614 5 күн бұрын
Well the Skoda did, but a strong second
@GallAnonim-jx2cz
@GallAnonim-jx2cz 5 күн бұрын
Meanwhile in China we have cars going 700km for half price of these in the test:) Electricity is ~0.08GBP/khw at home and 0.13GBP/kwh in public chargers. There are no any apps for charging just universal payment system that always works. Sales of EVs and PHEVs reached 60% of the market. Polestar 4 sales are basically zero even though it cost just 18k GPB to buy LOL. China=future, Europe=dead
@ISuperTed
@ISuperTed 5 күн бұрын
Yes to ultimate range and percent, but not for cost. The Tesla would be way cheaper to charge if using Superchargers and is more efficient. Horses for courses though, the Polestar is a lovely car.
@AnkerEde
@AnkerEde 4 күн бұрын
Well, it didn't. Luckily for us these EVs don't exist in a vacuum and ICE is still a thing and is cheaper. They have to make them cheaper or better, simple as that.
@christianolsen9781
@christianolsen9781 4 күн бұрын
Why not. It does have the biggest battery, so it should..
@lordkered
@lordkered 5 күн бұрын
Ive been saying that for years... just get the promised range, pull out the calculator and times it by 0.8 .... THATS YOUR RANGE. Petrol, Diesel, Elec, it dont matter.
@seansteel3326
@seansteel3326 5 күн бұрын
Not so fast. The Chinese cars seem to have their own testing and it is simply ridiculous. You would have to multiply by 0.7 to get the real range of any chinese car, EV or otherwise. Don't understand why car companies don't be more accurate with their figures.
@FirstLast-rh9jw
@FirstLast-rh9jw 5 күн бұрын
Then multiply it by 0.8 if its cold, and then again by 0.8 if its wet, and after two years of degradation, multiply that figure by 0.8... then accept that you'll have to charge for around 20 minutes for every hour of driving and the car out of warranty is effectively worthless.
@robertimrie3710
@robertimrie3710 5 күн бұрын
What erks me is they know WLTP isn't highway range but they make snide little EVs suck remarks. Says more about them TBH. Fact is all those cars are perfectly capable long distance highway cars and the Tesla was only the entry level RWD according to Matt.
@esm7708
@esm7708 5 күн бұрын
​@@FirstLast-rh9jwIs someone making up stories
@MNLPB
@MNLPB 5 күн бұрын
@@lordkered rubbish, my Tesla had a claimed range of 316 miles from new and I’ve hit 300 miles multiple times. By your measure that’s 252 miles only..
@ewaf88
@ewaf88 3 күн бұрын
Like petrol, you should never use the last remaining electrons, as they can ruin your engine
@lloydmorganmoore7810
@lloydmorganmoore7810 5 күн бұрын
22:29 is flat out wrong, you can change the temperature by just pressing the left and right arrows next to the temperature readout, or by sliding across it for larger adjustments. You don't need to open the climate menu at all.
@Buringrud
@Buringrud 5 күн бұрын
The polestar may be one of the nicest cars made in a long time.
@coleslow5519
@coleslow5519 4 күн бұрын
It's chinese. You are riding a coffin with wheels.
@chriscotton4207
@chriscotton4207 4 күн бұрын
Issue is their cold weather capabilities. Their range tanks more than others
@Kysen10
@Kysen10 4 күн бұрын
@@chriscotton4207 did you even watch the video?
@christianolsen9781
@christianolsen9781 4 күн бұрын
But Chinese and not super efficient.
@cobaltblue2756
@cobaltblue2756 4 күн бұрын
​@@christianolsen9781funfact polestar didn't sell really well in china , they have better option,
@JRCarReviews
@JRCarReviews 3 күн бұрын
Glad to see others getting better range than Tesla, now it’s pressure on Juniper to break new record.
@robtubedude1
@robtubedude1 5 күн бұрын
The Polestar is by far the best looking as well
@dihartnell
@dihartnell 3 күн бұрын
Yeah polestar and Porsche were way better looking.
@HyperFocxs
@HyperFocxs 3 күн бұрын
@@robtubedude1 it looks like shit
@EwanMcadam-eq9tt
@EwanMcadam-eq9tt 6 күн бұрын
I don't think we can count restricted power miles.
@blakec3323
@blakec3323 2 күн бұрын
The Audi Q4 is the biggest lemon of a car I have ever had, I cannot wait to throw my keys back at them. First and last time I'll ever go Audi.
@malikramic6594
@malikramic6594 5 күн бұрын
Tesla Model Y Long Range (2024) from Giga Berlin driver here. Car is just meh… some good things: boot space, defrost mode, cooling… but many negatives: glass roof gets too hot during the summer (I bought Tesla shade and that helped but takes away from head space especially in the rear and looks ugly); too dark in the night; using big screen while driving very fiddly; battery just disappears when driving uphill and biggest negative it is unpleasant and uncomfortable (too stiff on 19’) with large turning circle. I have to drive it for another year, cannot wait to get rid of it
@quavohuncho6156
@quavohuncho6156 5 күн бұрын
I have a 2022 model 3 and its a POS compared to the Polestar 2 i drive also
@thoos192
@thoos192 4 күн бұрын
Drank the Musk Kool-aid and got stuck with a lemon. Don´t know why there are so many naive people out there. Just buy a proper car people
@colinnich
@colinnich 3 күн бұрын
You must be an Audi fanboy or something. None of your negatives add up to much considering what you are getting for your money. The most advanced car - tech, efficiency and charging - for around the low end of prices. There is no contest.
@malikramic6594
@malikramic6594 3 күн бұрын
@@colinnichI actually have never owned Audi - my last car before Tesla was Volvo V90 CC 2018 model. This car had almost everything that Tesla has: autopilot, pre-heating the cabin etc. Here’s my Tesla experience from yesterday: charged the car for 30 min at public slow charger that cost me cca 3Eur and added 40 km of range. We started the drive with 69% battery. Drove 65 km (10 city; 15 highway and rest b-road) - mostly flat with never exceeding speed limit. Then drove 52 km (all b-road) to our place in the mountains (last 16 km was uphill with average 6% incline). Battery at the end was 31%. And tomorrow we need to get back home, and usually we have big traffic when we get to the city. Most likely battery will be at 20-25%. Outside temperature is around 3C. Ride is too firm for a family car. Both kids tend to complain especially on b-roads that are not exactly smooth. Going over tram tracks in the city is extremely uncomfortable. What this high-tech takes away (at least from us) is spontaneity. If the car is not charged in the morning we cannot just decide to drive somewhere for 2 or more hours if we do not want that this drive is 2,5 hours or longer (charging times). Also, from our place to Vienna, Austria is 800 km. We drive there at least once a year to visit family. In Volvo that drive (with border crossings) is cca. 10h mostly on highways. With Tesla this summer we were driving for 12,5 h - significant difference. So no, I am not ICE fanboy (I paid for EV). But experience in the first year of owning is not great. Because all tech you mention is not worth it when A CAR does not meet our needs. I wish I got Audi for the same price…
@HBLW1975
@HBLW1975 3 күн бұрын
Love my Tesla with FSD.. No comparison.. The rest must follow or lose even more market share in the next 5-8 years
@thunderbug8640
@thunderbug8640 6 күн бұрын
Those public chargers are such a rip off. Not only do you sit there for half an hour but they also cost more.
@Voyajer.
@Voyajer. 6 күн бұрын
Best to charge at home on the cheap and only use public chargers on road trips
@oskar6661
@oskar6661 6 күн бұрын
And using public 'fast' chargers costs the same if not more than normal fuel for each mile/kilometer driven, while damaging your battery long-term.
@siraff4461
@siraff4461 5 күн бұрын
@@Voyajer. Thats great unless you don't have somewhere to charge at home or do a lot of trips past range. Truth is the charging network is a joke. Its nowhere near enough coverage, way too expensive, way too inconsistent and nothing like the decent, reasonable infrastructure which is required. The cars already have decent range and charge speeds if you could just stop anywehere and plug into an ultra fast charger for a reasonable cost. As it is you could get lucky and have a cheap charger right where you happen to want to stop or you could need a massive detour then pay 80p/kWh. It should have been nationalised as soon as the government decided to go with ev mandates - or at very least price caps and heavy fines for out of service chargers should have been implemented very early on. I had a Leaf in 2011 and the charging network was a joke. Now there are more chargers but many more cars and the network remains a joke. The cars are much better now though.
@wassap786
@wassap786 5 күн бұрын
The only public charging i use is Tesla, normally 50p ish a unit and i only charge to a max of 80%, minimises the time spent charging, normally done by the time ive had a pee and grabbed a coffee. But tbf if i couldnt charge at home, EV wouldnt be a viable choice, even if i like the power delivery and silent driving.
@iamthesmart-smrt
@iamthesmart-smrt 5 күн бұрын
@@wassap786 Costs me 0.07p/KWh at home, worked out I'm saving over £3000/year on fuel.
@BeingD2023
@BeingD2023 3 күн бұрын
we do miss a simple point. the diesel car requires replacement parts eg a service every xxx miles that cost per a mile should also be included in mileage costs.
@paulogomes8762
@paulogomes8762 4 күн бұрын
Tesla Model Y 600 473 79% 15.85 75kwh Ford Explorer 602 468 78% 17.52 82kwh
@ericandeva
@ericandeva Күн бұрын
Yea something strange here
@daanvandenbussche2810
@daanvandenbussche2810 21 сағат бұрын
It's obvious the numbers in the video are wrong because if the Tesla has a 74kWh battery and the ford Explorer has 82kWh, and the Tesla travelled 3 more miles (5km) while the battery of the ford is 11% larger, this means the tesla is, according to the numbers in the video, 12% more more efficient. You can actually see at 45:00 that the tesla consumed 252wh/mile (15,66kWh/100km), which equates to 3,97miles/kWh instead of 3,8miles/kWh
@ericandeva
@ericandeva 12 сағат бұрын
@daanvandenbussche2810 75kwh tesla battery
@chrisreid6237
@chrisreid6237 5 күн бұрын
There’s no way you pay your crew enough to get into the boot like that 😂
@307pug205
@307pug205 3 күн бұрын
Driving an EV until it runs out of battery, is a good idea, if done regularly it will shorten battery life, most manufacturers recommend keeping battery level between 20-80% to prolong battery life
@time01010
@time01010 5 күн бұрын
Worth mentioning that the only two cars the Model Y came behind, have 20kwh larger batteries!
@derohneusername
@derohneusername Күн бұрын
250+ miles is more than enough. Petrol cars don't go much much further either, Diesels do, but how often am I driving 250+ miles in one go.
@hanswitvliet8188
@hanswitvliet8188 Сағат бұрын
Ehh, my (petrol) Toyota is after 10 years, still doing 466 miles.
@derohneusername
@derohneusername Сағат бұрын
@hanswitvliet8188 good for you, you have a large tank.
@M1710
@M1710 3 күн бұрын
This six-way love story is still better than The Twilight. Much respect to Mat and his team for giving us great contents.
@ddp_123
@ddp_123 6 күн бұрын
Well done to the Skoda for beating all of the electric cars in this video single-handedly!
@vitoni3865
@vitoni3865 5 күн бұрын
yeah, and electricity cost for polestar is ridiculous if charged on public fast chargers for same distnce.. fuck EVs
@muckspreader1able
@muckspreader1able 5 күн бұрын
Yep I’ll take the Skoda.Also worth more in a few years then an ev.
@adamek9750
@adamek9750 5 күн бұрын
any ol diesel wins, 800 miles out of a tank
@davdep
@davdep 5 күн бұрын
Make hay while you can because in a few years ev's will have a longer range and be cheaper all around👍👍😂😂
@Gmh6477
@Gmh6477 5 күн бұрын
At almost £50,000 for a mid range Skoda, I’d still choose to buy a premium ev.
@trying_a_new_username
@trying_a_new_username 6 күн бұрын
A similar thumbnail video was released in 2019 around this same time of the year which I commented on and it became the most liked comment of me, it was: 2010-2019- Smartphone battery drain tests 2020-2029- Car Battery drain tests... Can't believe half of the decade is already gone, Time flies!
@haitch04
@haitch04 3 күн бұрын
The cheapest of these cars is around 40k and the dearest around 80K. So let's not get carried away here. Most people's price range would include the likes of Renault Zoe or Nissan leaf where the luxury and range are way below the cars tested.
@bigwangmark
@bigwangmark 13 сағат бұрын
Electric cars are such a scam given the cost of charging works out to cost so much vs ICE.
@manojpataki
@manojpataki 5 күн бұрын
other car journalist : This can have upto 5 bags in boot Mat : 2 men
@acefoxuk
@acefoxuk 4 күн бұрын
There's no point in comparing cost of fuel/electric because our electric here in the UK is so overpriced it's unbelievable compared to other countries.
@The77Game
@The77Game 6 күн бұрын
Damn. I was hoping to see the Renault Scenic and/or Kia EV3
@siraff4461
@siraff4461 6 күн бұрын
Me too. I guess that leaves tehm open to do another one of these soon enough. Maybe they like Scotland.
@lw2978
@lw2978 4 күн бұрын
I'd like to see the range of the EV3 that has the bigger battery and sits under £40k. You have to spend close to £45k (unless you like a rather dark orange colour!) to get an EV3 with a heat pump, which I think is a big mistake on Kia's part, as you're going to fork out £425/year in luxury car tax for years 2 to 6 in it's lifetime, so you're now looking at £47k. I appreciate not many people would buy outright, but even leasing/PCP'ing, these costs will add up. However, the EV Air spec in large battery form might be palatable, if it could get 80% of its range in decently cold weather. That would be 300 miles, which would be perfect for me.
@siraff4461
@siraff4461 4 күн бұрын
@@lw2978 Most ev's are srtuggling to get 80% of their range with one guy in them in decent weather. Have a look at this video on dry roads with one person in them while following trucks most of the time.
@rennmeister7418
@rennmeister7418 5 күн бұрын
Watching this video made me anxious.
@Nevercash
@Nevercash Күн бұрын
Sensitive are we?
@Evergot
@Evergot 2 күн бұрын
Why never include Renault? The Scenic has won a number of awards.
@venkatsai5765
@venkatsai5765 6 күн бұрын
for conclusion: 48:56
@tijnd7486
@tijnd7486 6 күн бұрын
When is the polestar review coming?
@markgt894
@markgt894 6 күн бұрын
Only bots care about the Polestar !
@tijnd7486
@tijnd7486 6 күн бұрын
@markgt894 mark
@riba2233
@riba2233 5 күн бұрын
​@@markgt894 ok buddy R
@ajwasthere
@ajwasthere 2 күн бұрын
@@markgt894 You spelt Tesla incorrectly.
@lerr001jr7
@lerr001jr7 5 күн бұрын
In The model Y you can indeed recline the chair in the rear, although not by much. Just pull the lever to either the left or right side of the headrest (against the door frame) will allow it to slightly lean backwards or forwards
@aaronneuville701
@aaronneuville701 5 күн бұрын
I don't understand, even after becoming a popular channels, people do not put in conversion from miles to KM and vice versa, it baffles me.
@colinnich
@colinnich 3 күн бұрын
Can you not use a calculator? It's a UK channel.
@inquisitive6786
@inquisitive6786 3 күн бұрын
@@colinnichcan they not use calculators? The entire world watches them
@FukaNanbu
@FukaNanbu Күн бұрын
@@inquisitive6786 Most of the world speaks English and Spanish. Germans, Japanese, Koreans, etc., should all be using a translator to talk to me.
@patrick.n4261
@patrick.n4261 4 күн бұрын
There is plenty out there and European markets don’t want them to beat their cars with the low price and good value for your bucks. Most of them are from China.
@rtxgaming8245
@rtxgaming8245 6 күн бұрын
15:09 I felt so bad about brotha😭
@saltima
@saltima 4 күн бұрын
what is so funny about seeing people in a trunk, the host was dying laughing?
@angizwa
@angizwa 4 күн бұрын
Damn you guys doing dirty on the tesla. Every car should be on 20 degree. Meanwhile at 35:10 you see 22. Nice objective car rating 😮
@cheetahrunout
@cheetahrunout 3 күн бұрын
Yea also they suddenly dropped to 3.8m/kwh when the petrolhead stepped in.
@bluetoad2668
@bluetoad2668 2 күн бұрын
These sort of 'objective tests' are the only way you can line up those other cars with the Tesla and pretend they're all so similar. The actual experience of ownership puts the Tesla head and shoulders above.
@AurediumRiptide
@AurediumRiptide 2 күн бұрын
Its the measured temperature. It does not mean that the heating is actually set to 22 degrees. its possible to set temperature to 20 and still get 22 degrees based upon environment and things like electric heating of components other then the heater or even the heat a human gives off). ;) But based upon cost the diesel won the race which is kind of hilarious.
@ikex5ksb47psq2
@ikex5ksb47psq2 3 күн бұрын
A more relevant test is how long time does it take to drive X miles, including charging stops. This show the real efficiency of the car.
@siraff4461
@siraff4461 6 күн бұрын
We didn't get the boot test on the Skoda! Probably because it was full of camera and support gear, a few more people and being driven much more erratically? Sometimes with the boot open and a lot of the time with windows open? Should have thrown in a Q3TDi and driven it the same way as the electrics to see what the difference really is. Also can we stop this measuring distance when the cars are limited to 20mph or less - in some cases walking speed? Thats not a usable car to most people and its for manouvering or emergency use so really they should be measured until they drop below a reasonable, usable speed where they aren't dangerous. Maybe say when they can no longer hold 50mph on the flat they are done?
@FGGiskard
@FGGiskard 5 күн бұрын
When you no longer dare stay on the highway it’s pretty much done
@mifster83
@mifster83 3 күн бұрын
so you can expect 80% of the range
@maefelus
@maefelus 2 күн бұрын
Just wanna see real City range... Please make such an comparison in future...
@dawidw.3221
@dawidw.3221 5 күн бұрын
Video about EV's. Conclusion? Buy 2.0 TDI Skoda.
@EVMan298
@EVMan298 3 күн бұрын
How much does a full tank cost?
@homeofgoods5521
@homeofgoods5521 2 күн бұрын
Skoda is a shitbox compared to Tesla
@nyc863
@nyc863 2 күн бұрын
@@EVMan298 the last few minutes explains the cost comparison. It is much cheaper than the EVs, if the EVs are using fast chargers for their long trips. As usual, diesel TDI is better for mile crunching.
@andyd3177
@andyd3177 2 күн бұрын
@@homeofgoods5521you have got to be kidding. The Teslas are thé worst built cars I’ve been in in years. Travel in the back of one. The seats are too short. You can feel the springs. The wind noise is unbearable. Cheap crap.
@homeofgoods5521
@homeofgoods5521 2 күн бұрын
@ maybe the cars built in USA are bad. I have a MX and MY and the build quality is the best I’ve ever had in a car for ~60k / ~100k. I’ve also owned some Mercedes Benz - BMW - Porsches and they were way worse in terms of build quality. The only car which has a better build quality is my Continental GT but it consumes about 23L/100km and it just stays in the garage
@panosdotnet
@panosdotnet 6 күн бұрын
14:55 slavery?
@Wobra1
@Wobra1 Күн бұрын
No! 🤦‍♂️
@merrichoang6858
@merrichoang6858 5 күн бұрын
Need to add charging to every stop on the next test. No need to top it off. Just charge them up with the same amount of charging time. That really show the true strength of the EV. Especially for road trip.
@borgusio
@borgusio 3 күн бұрын
On that, tesla wins hands down.
@stephenrussell6074
@stephenrussell6074 4 күн бұрын
Do EV challenge of 500 or 600 mile round trips. Include charge stops and determine total time it’s more useful and more realistic
@rantingyoof6960
@rantingyoof6960 2 күн бұрын
No, find two people who regularly do 150-200 miles per day starting and ending at home. Give [diesel rep car] to person A and average range EV to person B and let them do their thing. Compare all costs incurred by both parties at the end. This STILL massivelyv exceeds typical vehicle usage in this country but gives a much fairer representation of the costs.
@stephenrussell6074
@stephenrussell6074 2 күн бұрын
@ that’s comparing diesel and EVs which is pointless as we are going to run out of diesel even without climate change. All EVs will easily do that exercise and are obviously cheaper. I pay between 7p/kWh and nothing (solar). So even at 2mi/kWh it costs me less than £7 for 200 miles. For a Tesla model 3 it would be £3 for 200 miles. It is only worth comparing EVs and to get true comparisons you need tests that consider average charging speeds not peak and speed/range benefits. Lighter cars do better overall, more aerodynamic cars better at speed, better energy recovery and conservation gives more range. Need to do all of them to compare not just belt up a motorway at 70, that’s just weight and aerodynamics. Also take 2 identical cars, take one at never going over 60 the other going to 70 whenever do 400 miles. See which gets their first, there will be a charge. Since average motorway speeds are never 70 the car allowed to do 70 will be accelerating and braking more often.
@rantingyoof6960
@rantingyoof6960 2 күн бұрын
@@stephenrussell6074 KZbin car people, those with anti EV agendas (not saying Carwow has one) and those sceptical of EVs are fascinated by the unfavourable comparisons you can draw between EVs and diesels, hence Mat's decision to include the Skoda in his test and compare the costs at the end. You and I both know that the test I suggested will reveal that you can run EVs at more common high mileages at a massively favourable cost compared to diesel. However, it's the sort of test that might actually cause the more open minded sceptics to realise that EVs are far more flexible and usable than videos like this make them out to be.
@stephenrussell6074
@stephenrussell6074 2 күн бұрын
@ The main point of the sceptics is that only about 60% of the population have the facility to charge off road so a great bulk of people would have to use public chargers which make EV more expensive to run than a diesel. I actually believe it is much worse than that as flats with parking spaces cannot actually install charging facilities at a reasonable cost. Infrastructure and security both being issues.
@VSS1
@VSS1 6 күн бұрын
I suspect the McDonald's that you visited had an InstaVolt charger not an Ionity
@fwd79
@fwd79 4 күн бұрын
One of the *best* video of this channel for EV research, loved every minute of it. 👏👏
@Carla-t8u1e
@Carla-t8u1e 6 күн бұрын
I've been waiting, another upload from you!
@thesolarfutureenthusiast1102
@thesolarfutureenthusiast1102 3 күн бұрын
So if you'd used home charging for the whole trip it would have cost around £45 i the Polestar, compared to the £92 in the ICE Skoda. Obviously when you are doing long trips this isn't possible in the EV. However trips are possible at comparable cost and every day driving, when home charging, is much cheaper. Thanks for omitting this piece of information from the conclusion. Great work.
@DutchedShedBuilds
@DutchedShedBuilds Күн бұрын
And if all working petrol stations would be converted to high charging EV charging stations you will never run out. And the kia EV6 has the 800 volt backbone … these can charge at 400 kw. Your car will be ready while you are pee-ing.
@MLMaffyou1985
@MLMaffyou1985 5 күн бұрын
My Diesel BMW 330D will do about 580 miles on a tank and when it gets down to 15 miles in the tank I top her up at a garage in about 5 minutes. Simples. And I don’t worry about its mileage depreciation with age.
@nuss529
@nuss529 5 күн бұрын
that's not even good for a diesel..
@davidhobson7851
@davidhobson7851 4 күн бұрын
@@nuss529it is for a 260 bhp diesel!
@midlandgeordie
@midlandgeordie 2 күн бұрын
And the planet?
@Nevercash
@Nevercash Күн бұрын
'Don't worry about mileage depreciation' and 'BMW' in the same sentence is funniest thing I've heard all week.
@MyMednas
@MyMednas Күн бұрын
You have to drive somewhere and waste time filling up? How quaint!
@MrSmartDan
@MrSmartDan 2 сағат бұрын
It's crazy how it's illegal to use your phone whilst driving but these EV'S just to change heat or any settings you've got to use a 65" wide screen tablet and it's completely legal 🤦🏼‍♂️
@MrProy33
@MrProy33 2 күн бұрын
Run the AC, use the seat heaters. It's not a fair test if you're fudging all of tbe variables. When it's 115F in summer, what's the REAL range? How about on the freeway at 75-80mph? Then show the line of parked EVs waiting for two hours to get a recharge on a Sunday afternoon in the desert. Then show the range going into the mountains in winter, where there are no chargers above 2000 ft elevation, and show ne how I can hunt and fish as an EV owner. You know, the real world tests that EV makers refuse to do.
@andymrkipling
@andymrkipling 2 күн бұрын
99% of people do a fraction of the maximum range. Reviewers and non-EV drivers are obsessed with maximum range.
@rantingyoof6960
@rantingyoof6960 2 күн бұрын
Yeah, I don't know when the obsession will end. A video entitled 'These new electric cars were driven normally and charged at home overnight for £2-3 once or twice a week' probably wouldn't do well the algorithms. Neither would 'This 200-mile range EV did nearly 50,000 miles a year only charging overnight at home'. Or 'These EVs with small batteries on Autotrader have all been doing 25-30,000 miles per year'.
@FukaNanbu
@FukaNanbu Күн бұрын
EV drivers are obsessed with how much they pay to drive when home charging compared to petrol cars, but they never include the fact that an 8 year old Lexus that cost £45,000 can be sold for half of what it was new (and put towards a new car) where an 8 year old £45,000 EV isn't worth spit.
@rantingyoof6960
@rantingyoof6960 Күн бұрын
@@FukaNanbu you know of eight year old Lexuses which are still successfully being sold for north of £20,000? Impressive. Do you have a link to one for sale now? Depreciation is heavy amongst nearly all larger cars now, and yes EVs in particular are losing value quickly, especially the very high end stuff (there are £20k discounts off new iXs and i7s and Taycans).
@joostesselink2780
@joostesselink2780 Күн бұрын
​@@FukaNanbuin wanted to check this so i looked up 2022 Tesla model y on a auction site. They went for around €35.000. next i looked for the msrp on carbase and a new 2024 model y costs €44.990. that €10. 000 in less that 2 years of ownership. You might save money on petrol but electric simply isn't the cheapest.
@mossop24
@mossop24 Күн бұрын
Well who wants to see a test for 10 mile trip?
@scottthompson7009
@scottthompson7009 4 күн бұрын
It is phenomenal how much you guys pay for electricity in the UK, for the extra cost of an EV purchase price plus public charging there is no point buying an EV over there.
@Sammy-lw1ns
@Sammy-lw1ns 3 күн бұрын
If you charge at home at 7p kWh which most do then there absolutely is.
@mr.t6018
@mr.t6018 3 күн бұрын
😂 clear. And then after 3 years try to sell this Waste
@Spleen214
@Spleen214 3 күн бұрын
@@Sammy-lw1nsyou’re right, but you’re missing the point, just like everyone else. People travel long distances away from their homes.
@Sammy-lw1ns
@Sammy-lw1ns 3 күн бұрын
@@Spleen214 most people aren't doing 600 miles round trips. If they are regularly then yeah, don't bother with an EV. Few times a year? Then maybe take the hit public charging. I've spent £120 on electric for the last 7000 miles, public charged twice. That's when they make sense.
@DougieLawson
@DougieLawson 2 күн бұрын
You should retry the same test in the middle of summer, your range should be closer to the manufacturer's prescribed range.
@jblue2435
@jblue2435 4 күн бұрын
I'm sorry, that Macan looks aweful. The Polestar is so much better.
@PauloG100
@PauloG100 4 күн бұрын
You are right. The only reason anyone would buy the Macan is for the badge, simple as that.
@markwilson7013
@markwilson7013 4 күн бұрын
I thought the Macan was some Chinese knockoff vehicle at first 😂 Ironic that the actual Chinese car was the best looking 😅
@guano1274
@guano1274 3 күн бұрын
To be fair, they all look like crap. No idea why it is so hard to design a good looking EV. The only one coming to mind right now would be the Audi e-tron GT (and maybe to some extend the Porsche Taycan).
@shinoMusic
@shinoMusic 3 күн бұрын
Funny because I personally think the macan is the best looking suv currently on the market, the color is awful tho. Looks quite nice in purple or gray tho.
@7enty7en83
@7enty7en83 3 күн бұрын
@@guano1274 Turbo GT blows the hinges off the e-tron both by looks and speed
@Wardiary24
@Wardiary24 2 күн бұрын
6 Billion Ppl use Km and not Miles .. At least put it on the side.
@Markcain268
@Markcain268 2 күн бұрын
Gives your brain a little exercise working out miles in to kilometres, I just use the calculator on my phone, it has a unit conversion mode, very useful app.
@Wardiary24
@Wardiary24 Күн бұрын
@@Markcain268 why should i use anything to change a perfectly balanced measuring system to a system that doesn't make any sense..
@Markcain268
@Markcain268 Күн бұрын
@Wardiary24 so you don't have to whine about it on KZbin, sorry you don't understand imperial measurements, dividing by 12 is too difficult for some people, I find it easy to use both, and very handy having 2 units of measurement I can use!
@FukaNanbu
@FukaNanbu Күн бұрын
Six billion people don't watch this channel. It's mostly Brits and Americans. I suppose you go to Germany and tell them they should speak English because they're the only country that uses it? Why should they change for you?
Күн бұрын
​@@Wardiary24 Your whaaambulance is 3 miles away and will arrive imminently.
@BHBeckenbauer
@BHBeckenbauer 5 күн бұрын
Finding chargers along the motorways is so easy now. I swear carwow are looking for the few remaining services without chargers for dramatic effect
@Andreassssssss-iv3wv
@Andreassssssss-iv3wv 6 күн бұрын
Perfection for lunch tomorrow. Polestar 4 is the best on the roads!!❤️
@Vardraq
@Vardraq 5 күн бұрын
Sorry, the summary at the end is skewed. You have taken into account the charge at the beginning of the trip for the Polestar, but not the tank of the Skoda? That seems a little bit off to me. Also, why the heck was your expense for charging so high? How ridiculously high are the DC fast charging prices on the UK? 🤨
@carlhagman6640
@carlhagman6640 5 күн бұрын
I thought the same thing - that is not a fair conclusion!
@Saddex
@Saddex 5 күн бұрын
There needs to be a lot more competition and lot more EVs to spread costs over for prices to come down I think. Here in Sweden, we have something like one in seven rechargeable cars, more charging operators and prices have started to come down. I have been to Norway two times this year where about one third of cars are rechargeable, a quarter alone fully electric. Charging piles are plenty and the cost there was very cheap even compared to Sweden.
@RossCollinsUK
@RossCollinsUK 4 күн бұрын
Average DC fast charging price in the UK (outside of Tesla chargers) is about $1 per kWh (80p/kWh)
@stuartmarshall7099
@stuartmarshall7099 3 күн бұрын
​@@RossCollinsUKyikes!!! Half that in Australia
@romantruba8790
@romantruba8790 2 күн бұрын
Fast charging in the UK is ridiculously expensive.
@baosw
@baosw 5 күн бұрын
Polestar probably has one of the best looks in this comparison! wow.
@michaelcarney6280
@michaelcarney6280 5 күн бұрын
The lack of electric infrastructure is a joke in the UK. They want to force you to get an EV but the network is a joke.
@philliptemple9841
@philliptemple9841 5 күн бұрын
Yes. I was driving through Lithuania a few years ago and all the motorways had EV chargers. They were all over the cities. Where I live in France nearly every street has public chargers. Now all the underground public parkings are getting them. It's at the point you can buy an EV that isn't a Tesla. Then each time I go back to the UK... wow it seems stone age now. Phillip.
@bartdeking
@bartdeking 5 күн бұрын
Perfect infrastructure, just drive a Tesla
@philliptemple9841
@philliptemple9841 5 күн бұрын
@bartdeking I drove from Italy to Spain in my Tesla the day lorries decided to block the motorways. The nav simply told me where to go and when to stop for an easy stress free (if longer) journey. Yes if in the EU get a Tesla. Phillip.
@michaelcarney6280
@michaelcarney6280 5 күн бұрын
@@bartdeking I can't afford a new one and if you buy a 2nd hand one you don't het free charging anymore.
@bartdeking
@bartdeking 5 күн бұрын
@michaelcarney6280 but you can get super cheap home charging deals. You only charge at Superchargers the few times a year when you go on a super long trip
@koljak9125
@koljak9125 6 күн бұрын
I'd go for the Skoda all day long !!!!
@riba2233
@riba2233 5 күн бұрын
Ok buddy
@tesla_models
@tesla_models 5 күн бұрын
Same
@matthiaskunst8336
@matthiaskunst8336 5 күн бұрын
I will never buy an ICE Car again. Just too much noises and smelly stuff, plus they feel so incredibly slow and laggy now.
@tesla_models
@tesla_models 5 күн бұрын
@@matthiaskunst8336 are ok with something like tesla model s plaid
@_carfreak_2812
@_carfreak_2812 4 күн бұрын
@@tesla_models well compared to a Model S Plaid Even a Bugatti probably feels Slow and laggy. That‘s not quite fair. If someone got more fun driving a ICE car, whats the problem ?
@Parax77
@Parax77 4 күн бұрын
You can move the seatback position in the Tesla Model Y, there are at least three selectable positions. (I don't know why Matt said you can't! 25:13)
@akashsolanki.
@akashsolanki. 6 күн бұрын
49:41 thank me later
@76CedricD
@76CedricD 6 күн бұрын
Thank you so much, I was looking for this.
@HomiebeaR_
@HomiebeaR_ 6 күн бұрын
For me the polestar is the best looking and it's the one I'll take lol.
@MarnixLameijer
@MarnixLameijer 5 күн бұрын
Do you have 64000 pounds lying around? Id rather go with the 47000 pounds model Y
@noilok_
@noilok_ 3 күн бұрын
you need to do this test again when you get your hand on the new audi a6 e tron with 750km of range
@matthewwallace4756
@matthewwallace4756 Күн бұрын
How can it possibly end with EV’s are more expensive to run? Ive saved £2500 a year for 9 years using electric compared to diesel.
@veloriderkm
@veloriderkm 5 күн бұрын
The cost vs diesel was very surprising
@dihartnell
@dihartnell 3 күн бұрын
Its only relevant for that particular scenario. It might be very different for other countries. The price of petrol/ diesel and electricity is vastly different in NZ depending on where you live and who your provider is. Where you live in NZ can make a big difference to what makes the most economical sense to use.
@steffenkautz1460
@steffenkautz1460 3 күн бұрын
@@dihartnell Diesel also does exceptionally well at long distance travel at consistent power output. If you're driving shorter distances, like say a commute where you'll charge on home power only and have a lot more start-and-stop kind of driving, I reckon the cost comparison will look quite different.
@dihartnell
@dihartnell 2 күн бұрын
@@steffenkautz1460 when people on these forums take their circumstances and push it like it's true for everyone they fail to acknowledge what makes sense for them doesn't necessarily make sense for others. It really depends on everyone's circumstances as to what is best for them.
@tenpoundburrito
@tenpoundburrito Күн бұрын
I love these videos, but this one highlighted a clear winner. I would love to have a Skoda Kodiak with the diesel engine now. It went twice as far as all the others, cost less to operate, and could be "recharged" with fuel in the same amount of time (ten minutes) that it took to get a tiny bit of charge back into the Polestar just to get it going to a charger. Remember, time is money too.
@DocPrakhar
@DocPrakhar 6 күн бұрын
Hey Mat! Can you also fly to India and Review the New Mahindra XEV 9E? It is the car that is going to revolutionize Indian EV market and may release to foreign markets in future. It is going to cost around 20k-30k Pounds, but it packs a lot of Features for that price. I would love to hear your thoughts. They claim it is as good as a car double its price (similar to the cars in this video for 30k)
@enamulhaquejoy6962
@enamulhaquejoy6962 6 күн бұрын
Dude stop living in delusion
@vininfar
@vininfar 6 күн бұрын
You just stop living​@@enamulhaquejoy6962
I drove these NEW electric cars until they DIED!
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