New Old Stock Watches - A Guide About Opportunities and Risks

[@simoninglis7437]

I love these videos. Informative, sincere, cheerful. Outstanding.

[@CasebackWatches]

Thanks for watching, Simon!

[@gregs.2679]

Several Pforzheim companies are producing new watches using NOS German movements from movement makers that used to be active in their city until the 1970s or so. Limes Uhren made some using automatic PUW movements. It looks like these Circula watches are using NOS manual winding HW movements. Nice!

[@russellharris5072]

The precista prs9 used the nos as1130 which had to be stripped,cleaned and reassembled.Oiling takes place during the assembly process,this was a short run of production as there were not that many movements.

[@martinmoore8216]

Terrific realistic unpacking and exploration of a term that holds so much promise. Nice Django!

[@scottparis6355]

I suspect that, unlike many guitarists, you may actually be a musician.

[@briancarpenter1255]

Great content Tim as always. You offer really unique views of watches. Things most reviewers just don't think about covering. Thanks for your real world views on our hobby.

[@CasebackWatches]

I'm happy to hear that people enjoy those topics, so thank you very much for watching.

[@Texmotodad]

Thanks for showing us the Circula - very nice! I visited their site and since Christmas is coming...

[@3Godfree]

Tim, thank you for this valuable guide, this really clarifies a lot of info hidden to new hobbyists. Great seeing you play music.

[@CasebackWatches]

You‘re welcome!

[@PhilFogle]

Music and watches - two big thumbs up!

[@Laz_Arus]

Quite like the look of the Circula watch. The case shape is rather similar to my Melbourne Watch Company's Portsea Classic. Very elegant. Strange thing happened at the end of your video though. My feet suddenly began this rhythmic tapping motion. A very pleasant sensation 👍

[@matthiasglocke1030]

Sensationell, besonders die Gypsy Einlage finde ich sehr sympathisch; Kompliment!

[@CasebackWatches]

Danke!

[@gusrub]

Thank you for those amazing outros on your videos.

[@ChrisBeckman]

Nice vest! Thank you for your logical brain telling us emotional buyers to THINK ABOUT IT!

[@oscargustavoarcosruiz8793]

Questions: 1.-From what you said in the videos, I know you have several trades (carpenter, musician, writer) But: What is your background as a journalist? What kind of articles do you write and in what type of magazine or newspaper? Favorite Writers (s) 2.- Where does your fondness for sartorial come from? 3.- What was your first watch? You bought it or they gave it to you. Do you still have it? 4.- What is the most difficult Grail to get, at least for you, what would you like to have in your watch collection? 5.- Do you collect more than watches? 6.-What is your height? in meters. Only for curiosity.

[@williammiller8317]

Nice watch, and thanks for the music Tim!

[@hautehorlogerie5976]

You have to performe and play at the Baselworld

[@TheCrisimos]

Thank you Tim very informative video, amazing closure by the way. Cheers from Athens

[@silvasiamese9612]

Your video was informative, but playing a guitar such a nice way, i did not expect! Cool cool

[@watchhans]

Concerning the Circula-watch using the PUW 560 movement you have to be careful. The setting lever spring was very vulnerable to break after some time. This is the weak point of this particular movement!

[@edwinortiz6336]

May i ask how you know this pelase thanks ?

[@Doc-BTW]

Excellent excellent excellent video! I’m a fan of NOS; only one NOS I own is Rolex. A few are close, but NOS very rare.

[@austingavins9181]

Mmmmm - I actually prefer the back of the Circular to the front.... Plus is it me or is the numeric "6" on the dial slightly off center - see 9:58.?

[@leyay7540]

Your comments of Circula has interested me a lot. I am a huge fan of hand-wound movements and German watches. I think it justifies its price for me. I will contact them for some details and may pull the trigger if nothing wrong.

[@russellharris5072]

Keep up the wonderful playing Tim,i envy the style but not the many hours of practice................

[@CasebackWatches]

Centenaries of practice ;-)

[@cedarcanoe]

Alright Tim, you wanted questions 😊 a) I would like to know how to read a timegrapher. Not so much the numbers (beat error etc) but especially how to read the lines and the dots that show up during the reading b) which setting (or part) in a watch is the thing that decides on the beats per hour (18000, 21600, 28800 etc)? And how can that bph be so exact on a timegrapher? Keep up the good work with your vids, greatings from 🇸🇪 to 🇩🇪

[@caomhlr]

Yes Tim, Im curious about amplitude? What is considered a "good" number? Is there a relationship between BPH & amplitude? Lasltly how does the beat error number work? Is it an amount of a sec per sec error or a sec per min or somethng completely different? Another great video Tim. Re the "Who'd I'd invite for dinner?" question, I'd reckon you'd be a great addition to anyone's table!! Cheers from Down Under👍

[@shadreckphiri6910]

@@caomhlr well

[@sc5759]

Excellent video Tim. May I ask which model guitar you are playing? Your performance in that outro is outstanding and your guitar looks like a work of art.

[@CasebackWatches]

Thank you. The Guitar was built by Luca Milani. I think it's unique, not part of any line. I love it, but under daylight you would see, that it's pretty beaten up now.

[@carlospagi]

Really good stuff. Thanks Tim! :)

[@CasebackWatches]

Thank you, Carlos.

[@nikitatolochkov2223]

Great video! Just curious why you called enicar a fashion brand. They made inhouse movements and quality watches from the low level to the high average.

[@CasebackWatches]

Yes, I think you're right. I'm distracted by the cheaper ones, but they've produced certainly quality as well. A video about Enicar is definitely on my list.

[@nikitatolochkov2223]

@@CasebackWatches Thank you for the answer and looking forward to the Enicar video!

[@JimAlaska49]

Always love the guitar exit :)

[@lynettenuttall1540]

HI WOULD YOU KNOW WHERE I MIGHT BE ABLE TO FIND A Marcasite watch band i live in perth Western Australia thanks

[@cuh720]

Question: I want to buy a vintage Rolex, but I’m worried they might me fragile. What sort of upgrades can I get for it?

[@Doc-BTW]

Francisco Salazar Jr I’ve bought 1969 Rolex GMT only needed standard service and its very robust!!

[@davelee9791]

I have worn a 1967 Datejust 1601 since 1972 and only been serviced in 2002, I wear it every day and with normal use are as robust as any other watch..

[@armancz]

Have your wrist wraped in a few layers of bubble wrap at all times

[@cuh720]

armancz thanks man

[@seikoskx]

Is the seiko NOS VALUABLE 90S WATCHES THANKS

[@neilziesing7761]

Awesome performance Tim!

[@CasebackWatches]

Thanks, Neil!

[@kesfitzgerald1084]

Good advice Tim. Cheers.

[@STEVEN-STEELE]

Loved the outro Tim!! That guitar is beautiful. I especially like the tail piece and bridge very nice. Who made it? At 1st the head stock looked like an Ovation but I saw it was a tuner. I'm building my 2nd guitar. The 1st was a cigar box. This new one is wooden box that held 3 bottles of Italian wine. A gift from a buddys retirement from the Seal teams. I know your talking watches so this is comparing Apples and Anvils.Mexico produced the VW Beetle up till 05 I may be off year wise but that's what came to mind when you mentioned Someone buying the machinery to produce something Imagine a brand new 05 Super Beetle. I'd like to import some that are old enough. Iv owned 13 So easy to keep going . There's a place in California you can buy a brand new Delorian. They have Bou Coups NOS parts and can build one from the frame up all new with parts from the 80s. Ok here is my question sorry just such an interesting subject of old being new. Ha a lady gets a facelift. Is that NOS lmao. But back in the day VW gave a gold watch to anyone owning Beetle that went 500,000 miles with out a mechanical break down. The story goes they had to stop because of the amount of half a million mile beetles. So many it was killing them to buy all the watches. Does anyone know. What type of watch did they award the people? I'd love to have one.

[@CasebackWatches]

Steven, that's a unique piece, built by the Luthier Luca Milani. My one and only.

[@STEVEN-STEELE]

@@CasebackWatches That is so nice. I don't know about you. But other players have the same thing happen. We develop a love for some of our guitars. I have a Shecter. Damon 6 an Epiphone Les Paul and a Old Kent. That is older than my 50 years. The Shecter is very nice plays beautiful. So does the Epi. But there's something about that Kent It's tone from it's single coils is richer than the other two with humbuckers. Its so close to SRVs #1 his 1st wife he called it. But his tone people try and get they spend hundreds on this pedal and that amp Peggy Sue has it With no effects. Idk why Buddy Holley came to mind when I got it and played but I named her Peggy Sue. I noticed some little dents on the back of the it. Being 50+ years it's expected. But upon angling it I realized it's words indented into the wood. Turned out it's a farewell love letter written by a man on his way to Vietnam. Dated March 24 1969. Made me love it even more

[@STEVEN-STEELE]

Please forgive the off topic and length of the text. I just love watches and guitars so both subjects are very interesting to me.

[@CasebackWatches]

@@STEVEN-STEELE No Problem, Steve, it's a pleasure to read. I tried to copy SRV with my Strat years ago and the key were then massive strings.

[@STEVEN-STEELE]

@@CasebackWatches Brother your not kidding. That man must of went to China and studied. Tiger claw Kung Fu. I used to string Super Slinky's light. Back in my Metal days. I listened to everything because there's something that can be carried over to your style. John 5 who played with Rob Zombie actually learned his licks watching Hee Haw but incorporates country chikin pickin very well least I think. It's why he plays a Tele He said watching Hee Haw he thougt that was all there was. Speaking of Telecasters is that one behind your right side. I saw the head stock before I even knew you played. Those Earnie Ball Super Slinky's lights?The E breaks if you breath near it lol . I heard Y. J Malmstien Playing Neo Classical. That was killer because I love Classical. I never got his speed but used to shred. But I think he mixed gages. I mellowed out and and started listening to blues. I watched SRV live and was hooked. He played 12s or 13s. You know the same gage as Suspension bridge cables. So I grabbed some. Hell I'd string up and lift the guitar by the E.A.D. strings to get them to stretch enough to even think about tuning the bloody thing.Lord!! Bending them made my fingers feel like week one after every waking spare minute I was practicing. Ohh!!! I just traded a Misfit Tee and 10 bucks for a bag of watches. I have the 69 Timex up and going it's in damn good tick. So is the 72 and 74. Not NOS but worn only sparingly The 68 Timex Automatic Works great to. Someone just over wound them. I blew them out and oiled the shafts. Then set them under a 100watt bulb. It heats and expands the metal enough to let the mainspring let go just enough to let the escapement cycle and sure enough they are going. I also got a Seiko Cocktail idk looks like it was used as a door stop. But the 7006- 2 movement is ticking away after I took it out of that case that looks like a car crash. And the best one out of the lot. Is a Vulcain It's not a Cricket. I have to see about it. It looks 60s Era. The hair spring came out of its keeper but isn't FUBARED. Soon as my new Movement holder and screw sticks get in I will rehang it and see. I eased the mainspring down. It winds and all seems serviceable. Perhaps it was a Friday when it was build in that Chateau. So the builder missed a turn on its keeper screw. Lol Ehh I'll work it out. Anyhow Thanks and lookin forward to another video

[@TheOneGuyArmy]

I found a nos Citizen Eagle 7 at a trusted jeweller for only $20,-. Entirely new, nothing had been replaced, repainted or anything else. That watch was probably from the 70-80s. I also once saw a nos super nice Pulsar Automatic watch, which very much looked like a Patek on a dressy bracelet. Unfortunately I didn't buy that watch because it didn't have handwinding/ hacking :). I hate those movements, it annoys me so much. But I have never seen anything like an Omega, Rolex, Heuer, etc., one of the higher tier watch brands in nos condition.

[@bobsyeruncle4841]

i came for the watch stayed for Django well done sir

[@TennesseeMike]

I'm a new subscriber Tim and enjoying your content.. keep up the good work.

[@CasebackWatches]

Great to hear, Mike! Thanks for the subscription.

[@zenkendric]

not working anymore my kluge watch is this still valueble?

[@DenisHauser]

Nice watch! :)

[@imranchowdhury4972]

I put my watches in a tight box and I put some silica gels packs. Is that OK? Are the gel packs sucks the oils of automatic?

[@H0kram]

It's pretty good, it won't suck the oil at all, only the humidity which is what you want.

[@yinonhui6924]

Hi, I saw in an old store a brand New Old Stock (old model) Tissot automatic watch which I like. What basic tests do I need to run before buying it. Will Tissot service center honor the warranty? appreciate your kind thoughts. Thanks

[@yinonhui6924]

The watch model is around 1990s

[@CasebackWatches]

You could ask for the amplitude. The higher the better. Any questions regarding Tissot itself and the service center you should ask the company directly. I'm sure they can provide a valid answer.

[@yinonhui6924]

Thanks. Will do just that.

[@davidcoleman2463]

I have a vintage Bulova automatic from 1950 . It is running 2 min fast . The watch needs a service . It is in really good shape . I don't know if I want to keep it . And ideas ? Thanks .

[@AaroKeipi]

Getting an old watch serviced can be a very expensive undertaking. If you're not sure you want to keep it, it's best to sell it in its current state since you will never recoup the money for the service. The only exception is if you can find someone (generally a retired watchmaker) who services watches at a very discounted rate. I was lucky enough to find someone who charges about 20% of the normal going rate, so I send him all of my vintage watches. But if I didn't have him, I wouldn't collect old watches.

[@edwinortiz6336]

I loved the video and i subscribe BUT you said the circula watch is too expensive ...that it should be 400 dollars ?...this is ludicrous ..what swiss or german watch sells for that price? ... give me example please if im wrong thanks

[@CasebackWatches]

Thanks for the subscription. My statement there was a bit misleading. I said 400 to 500 and was referring to Euro. 400 Euro might be a little strict, indeed, but 500 Euros are 580 USD. And that's in my eyes a suitable price for this product.

[@edwinortiz6336]

@@CasebackWatches thanks but are there any Swiss or German named manual wind watches sold at that price range ? Based on the current market I just don’t see it. Considering the fact that the movement is definitely German based how can you expect a low price like 500 euro ? Just don’t see it

[@CasebackWatches]

Let me put it that way: I personally see the value of that watch in the region of 500 Euros. It's the first attempt of a revived historic brand and I did salut that, but the piece convinced me only in the approx. 500 Euros tier.

[@H0kram]

Ah yes, the NOS label. It's the Swiss label of vintage watches. One thing is that a NOS is a far more appropriate term for a massively produced soviet watch, than in it is for an also industrially produced swiss watch. Many soviet watches have been produced by millions and millions, and sold in many many countries ( inside and outside USSR ) for decades. And they were, for the vast majority, very affordable, or cheap. My father used to buy them for nothing, and it was sold basically everywhere, between bread, sugar and cameras. Good old USSR style. For that reason, a NOS soviet watch is not a crazy thing at all. But careful, they are going up in prices and attracted a lot of dishonest sellers online.

[@YouGetBlocked]

Do you want to make an video about vintage Invicta watches. About history, models, style, movements they used and maybe do an review of one (if you can get one)?

[@CasebackWatches]

Somebody offered me a watch for this purpose, but to be frank: My knowledge about Invicta is limited and right now they don't fascinate me. This could change though.

[@YouGetBlocked]

Caseback Watches that is a pity. I’m sure you would like some of they’re vintage pieces from the 50’s-70’s. 😬 I have seen some beautiful pieces like this: instagram.com/p/B4Pvq6YnqMf/

[@YouGetBlocked]

I like also this one!👌🏻 instagram.com/p/B3twQIoHpqY/

[@joeesparza6108]

Kasper K hey there , don't ruin the small secret of vintage Invicta watches! LOL Yes , their modern pieces are truly for certain fashion crowd, that loves to wear a clock as a wristwatch but their vintage pieces are a treasure to be found! Both pieces you have linked are great examples of this!

[@YouGetBlocked]

Joe Esparza I know. But this guy don’t see it that way.🙃

[@stass5363]

I've seen recently pictures of an old Delbana watch with a pretty similar design to that Oris. White Dial. Blue circle and gold indices(no small seconds and pointer) . Do you know about these? It's the closest looking older watch I've seen to it

[@CasebackWatches]

No, I've never heard of Delbana. But will have a look, thanks for the hint.

[@stass5363]

@@CasebackWatches instagram.com/p/B0ZGS0HlCL2/ here is an example, also I found a short video with one here on youtube, I have gotten the Oris during the summer and was pretty shocked when I saw Delbana on ebay. They have a line called Voltige that I think has very interesting dials.

[@CasebackWatches]

Ok, I see the point. Very similar in style.

[@stevewilson6390]

Tim , may i ask a question ,last year and the year before i went on a cruise for my holidays with celebrity. Naturally on the cruise they like to keep people entertained and also spend money . They have a Rolex night each week ! Literally they have many hundreds of Rolex watches for sale , you bid and barter for the watches on sale NOS ,used, and new. As i recall ? Because you are travelling in international waters tax is not applied to the sale , so for me it could be a 20% saving , a big saving off a quality watch , it could potentially pay for your holiday . Did i buy ? No because then and now i need to aquire proper knowledge and do my homework on the watch i want . Can i please have your thoughts if you would entertain this kind of purchase . Indeed has any viewer bought a watch on a cruise .

[@jimflex6341]

Steve Wilson If the tannoy anounces "abandon ship", they'll probably bring out some dive watches!

[@robertstricker8535]

How about a NOS from a microbrand. No more than 5 or 6 years old? Thought?

[@CasebackWatches]

I would consider this rather normal stock. The NOS term is used for way older watches, or at least I've learnt it that way.

[@willek1335]

Hey Tim. I hope you're well. I recently started listening to gipsy jazz thanks to you. My problem is that I don't know a lot of good songs/bands. My question, do you have a Spotify playlist? Cheers Petter, Norway.

[@CasebackWatches]

I don't have a list on Spotify, but you could start with these names: Rosenberg Trio, Tchavolo Schmitt, Dorado Schmidt, Django Reinhardt (of course), Jimmy Rosenberg ...

[@willek1335]

@@CasebackWatches Just what I was looking for. I appreciate it.

[@eabnamoliben1598]

Watchmaker: I don't know about this watch. I'm new here...

[@kostek4430]

Has your friend wanted to sell the watch or what? If it has a sentimental value then junk for someone is a treasure for someone else. Could the watch be repaired and repainted, what the cost of that would be and what is your opinion on doing that to a watch that is not for sale but for keeps? I had an old unimpressive Delbana redone by the watchmaker (movement repaired, face repainted - I think that was done in Germany, and case replated) because it was a wedding anniversary gift from my grandfather to my grandmother.

[@CasebackWatches]

I personally would never repaint a dial. It's too much change for me, but of course this is a matter of opinion.

[@scottparis6355]

So, if $780 is too much for this rather nice watch, how do they justify $2000 or $2500 for ETA 2824 based, three-hand watches from makers like Longines, Eterna and others? Yes they are very pretty, but pretty doesn't cost more than plain. Another fine video, by the way.

[@CasebackWatches]

Good point, Scott. I personally cannot justify several k for Longines/Eterna. Unfortunately I like both brands a lot, so I buy used. And used you find really good deals. Easy thing to buy a Longines Flagship for about 500 Euro/USD.

[@scottparis6355]

@@CasebackWatches I like both brands too; I have several vintage/older Eternas. I'm just angry about their recent practice of producing pretty but ordinary three-hand watches and asking $2500 for them. I'm afraid that approach will fail and Swatch will pull the plug. Yes, Eterna is not Swatch. In that case the market will pull the plug. The $2000 to $3000 market is small and crowded. How many people in the world can spend that kind of money for a watch?

[@amorroma1244]

Next time, start with the guitar. Nice!

[@davidcoleman2463]

You are so right Tim. What is wrong with people. How can they be so stupid to believe garbage ? How can they fall for it. Lol. Thanks .

[@diegoog3654]

Circula & Sönhe

[@christopherlangdon9958]

Would you care to expose Wagstaffe watches?

[@zatarawood3588]

I like your tie my friend) Can you share some details about maker and year? I collect vintage ties so interesting old ties always catch my eye)

[@CasebackWatches]

Very sorry, but I've bought it on ebay, altered it and removed all tags. I don't remember the brand.

[@angelos6817]

Who needs a crown? right? lol

[@philippayne4951]

Well if its worn out you will.

[@knobexploitmusicelectronic9218]

Real NOS is actually not so a nice buy if you want to wear it, the moment you start to wear it you fear any scratch.

[@luispadilla2212]

How did we get here? People really wanting other people's old and used crap? Some people go as far to say they can imagine the history and what that old piece must have done. Who cares,a new Seiko will always be better than an old Rolex in my opinion. I understand buying a watch that is 1 or 2 years old to save some money. I buy new always have it may take me up to 2 years to save money and buy my new piece but it will have my history and great moments with my Family and friends when my kids get them. I don't sell my watches when the collection gets too big I give them as a gift to the person who I know will appreciate it. Thank you for great videos love your Channel.

[@AaroKeipi]

The way I see it, there are two kinds of people in the world: one who sees old stuff as crap, and the other who sees it as something potentially full of history and character. I'm the latter, but I also don't judge the former--I just thank them for leaving the "crap" for me. :D

[@philippayne4951]

Germany do not make watches, parts are all made in Switzerland. They may be assembled in Germany but not made there. The same as Spain France Russia and the rest of Europe.

[@CasebackWatches]

Unfortunately not correct. Companies like PUW may have bought single components from Switzerland, but certainly not everything. Especially PUW was a manufacturer of basic movements like ETA, which they sold to other companies. And companies as Lange have made inhouse movements since the beginning of their existence. The entire region around Glashütte was famous for inhouse movements in direct competition with Switzerland.

[@philippayne4951]

@@CasebackWatches Yes, but the majority of parts were not made in Germany, I know because I am a watchmaker, and have been for almost 50years. So to say the watches were made in Germany is false. The only parts that were made were the dials, which they then had their names put on them. cases were made in Germany and England to fit the swiss movements they wanted, but nothing else. The same with the Waltham watch company of America, who did make all the movements, and assembled by watchmakers in the country of origin. The company closed in 1937.

[@CasebackWatches]

@@philippayne4951 I don't want to question your qualification, Philip, but it's simply not correct. Manufacturers like Nomos state and show very clearly that they make parts in their own facilities down to the basic parts of movements. To see very clearly ie here: nomos-glashuette.com/de/manufaktur/uhrmacherkunst/wie-eine-uhr-entsteht German link, sorry, but I'm sure google can translate it. Similar informations you find in a large number of books and press information.

[@philippayne4951]

@@CasebackWatches Yes they do, but the parts are for repair of the watches, where the swiss have stopped making it. Its the same for waltham watches, their is a part for example called s butterfly spring, it has to made by a watchmaker, which is time consuming, because its not made anymore.

[@Andrew.W75]

What about A Lange & Sohne, surely they make their own watch parts!

[@niveusgaius]

NOS=BS

[@007EnglishAcademy]

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