Was this industrial espionage, a family dispute, or the perfect crime?

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@michellesartori6695 10 ай бұрын

Wow! I've been listening to 4 much older episodes today whilst driving and I never thought I'd catch an episode this early. When I started it had been out for 32 minutes and now that I'm finally in bed I can listen to it properly. I have been binging on your episodes for weeks now and I really don't bother posting comments on the older episodes but I just want to take a moment to commend you on your research and your narration which as a fellow Australian I love immensely. Please continue doing what your doing because it's such quality content and I've only got another 150 or so videos to go! Much appreciated. From country NSW Australia.

@MaxxTorquing 10 ай бұрын

They are to good hey! I dud the same and binged out on all their episodes also. Can't listen to any other true crime!

@russell_fry 10 ай бұрын

I thought I was the only one who listened to older episodes waiting for a new one. 😂

@stuartd9741 10 ай бұрын

Colleen Stan podcast is a tough one to listen to if you haven't already.. But yes, quality content...

@michellechase4579 10 ай бұрын

Canadian here, I have a lot of respect for this podcast and the narration is top tier. You put what I wanted to express into words.

@lanafaulkner3573 10 ай бұрын

Mm 😂q🎉🎉🎉😂q 🎉qtq❤k😂e Ahw❤

@TigersandBearsOhMy 10 ай бұрын

I loved the format of this. With every theory I was like, "Aha!! So that's what happened! But wait..." and then it would fizzle out only for a new theory to be introduced where again I could be like, "aha!!! This is surely the one!!! But waaaait..." It felt very authentic to investigating, even though I'm sure that's not how police actually do it. I'm glad both girls survived. I hope they live and value each other and someday find justice.

@cdrwin 3 ай бұрын

❤️🔥👽🔥❤️

@cdrwin 3 ай бұрын

You gave 2 alibis for Ziede as you said he was getting psychiatric treatment and then later said he was eating ice cream on a walk ???

@danielmurphy3580 10 ай бұрын

I still can't believe it took the police 8 HOURS to realize there was a little girl still alive hiding in the car? what????

@squidgert566 9 ай бұрын

Local police didn’t want to disturb the crime scene. Didn’t open the doors. Quick glance in the car but didn’t notice the girl.

@TRUECRIMESPTV 9 ай бұрын

As the other response mentioned, they were preserving the scene, and the girl didn’t make a peep.

@phlm9038 8 ай бұрын

The killer didn't see her. The British cyclist didn't see her. The other witness the British cyclist took with him back to the scene didn't see her. The rescue team didn't see her. Why would the police see her while they were not allowed to disturb the crime scene.

@braeutchen41 8 ай бұрын

BAY-MW.......😬🤭

@Ghost_Rider_786 8 ай бұрын

French cops are rubbish ..... not in the same league as the UK cops ....It took the French cops nearly ONE year to find the passports of the victims ....They found the passports in the POCKET of one of the victims ... I think the - Peter Sellers Pink Panther movies are probably NOT works of FICTION ...but are real life documentaries of French Police ....

@stuungar3390 10 ай бұрын

Thorough case analysis. Very detailed, in chronological order. Clear narration

@ahabcolerchat9404 10 ай бұрын

Agenda setting true crime

@corylatimer 10 ай бұрын

I just came across your channel a few days ago and have already watched around 10 videos. And this one was really griping from start to finish. So many intriguing theories about who was the target and why, none of which ever amounted to anything. It’s almost unbelievable that after all these years, with so many people investigating the case, that police aren’t any closer to solving it then they were on day 1. Truly a tragic yet fascinating case. Great channel and content by the way. Excellent narration and story telling. Cheers!

@zacharyafa1558 7 ай бұрын

Check out thr batavia episode!!

@sabrinatscha2554 10 ай бұрын

Had the cyclist who discovered the massacre achieved his goal of “catching up” with the other cyclist, it would have likely been his last tour 🙁

@coletrain3178 10 ай бұрын

What I appreciate VERY MUCH is that the narrator is a real voice, not ai. I don't listen to ai podcasts and if I had subscribed, I unsubscribe. And thumbs down. Good job anonymous narrator. Love your podcast

@roadwarrior528 9 ай бұрын

There are still clues that point to the narrator being AI.

@UsrNmTkn 9 ай бұрын

@@roadwarrior528 What?? You must be new because everyone knows Casey is a real person. Check out his interview!

@TRUECRIMESPTV 9 ай бұрын

Same

@moyamontgomery1468 8 ай бұрын

So has it always been “Your way or the highway?” There are many reasons why someone might use an ai voice.

@UsrNmTkn 8 ай бұрын

@@moyamontgomery1468 And there are so many reasons someone might choose not to listen to a channel with an AI voice.

@hueparis1163 10 ай бұрын

I have been waiting far too long for you to cover this case! I am sure that your narrative will be much more enriched and your analysis will be very thorough. Now I am going to listen to the podcast. Thank you Casefile. Much love and admiration from France.

@richardthompson6265 2 ай бұрын

Have been listening to this KZbin channel for quite a while. It is beyond doubt the best , in-depth, without being over dramatic, minute in its detail, and just fascinating .

@SuperStrik9 10 ай бұрын

This case has baffled me since I first heard about it. Lots of possibilities and questions.

@stuartd9741 10 ай бұрын

Hit man?

@ivavulaj 9 ай бұрын

He was a spy, and his wife was actually working for someone else, and yes, of course, was a hitman, because how else they gonna make them despair

@melissaharris3389 7 ай бұрын

I agree. It sounds like an assaination. The skill of the shots. Reloading during the assult. Killing an accidental witness. Not knowing there were _two_ daughters. Persuing the family somewhere isolated, then leaving the scene quickly. All hallmarks of a professional killing.

@Jocelyn-GraceMartin 10 ай бұрын

great episode!!!!! got a nearly 200-year-old Nebraska cold case for you from the early days of the old west - Swedish immigrant siblings Kate and Pete Manning after Kate was violently murdered and her brother was the only real suspect 👀not very well known even in Nebraska but it fascinates me to no end

@ninedaysjane2466 10 ай бұрын

Pretty sure he doesn't need your help

@OldQueer 10 ай бұрын

@@ninedaysjane2466pointlessly mean comment

@ninedaysjane2466 10 ай бұрын

@@OldQueer So? People come here to listen to the current case. If they want to submit cases, they can go to the website and use the form. People who simply refuse to pay attention and puke up their dumb ideas here don't deserve respect.

@OldQueer 10 ай бұрын

@@ninedaysjane2466 I'm lost at why you're so full of venom. Can't be a fun way to live your life behaving like that

@tarasherman2714 10 ай бұрын

Never heard this case. I'm still near the start, but how BRUTAL. It's amazing that the little one stayed hidden for so long. Her fear must have been so immense. So fat great detail, info and presentatio. Thank you, CF, for another bringing attention to this.

@ninedaysjane2466 10 ай бұрын

Netflix made a docuseries on it.

@shona- 10 ай бұрын

Channel 4 have done a really good series on it. You may find here on youtube.

@TreeLuvBurdpu 9 ай бұрын

"The cops broke in to his house and found stuff that indicated he suspected someone might break in to his house, which they found suspicious". Very British and subservient.

@rekacolour 10 ай бұрын

I just sat down with my morning coffee and a colouring book. Thank you for bringing me the final piece to a perfect morning.

@Gospel_weekly 10 ай бұрын

Night here in Australia, where you

@Loralanthalas 10 ай бұрын

Sounds like a fantastic morning. I've not gotten out of bed but it's not quite 8am yet.

@scottcantdance804 10 ай бұрын

@@Gospel_weekly it was around 2 in the morning here in Colorado at the time of this post, so I'm guessing not my time zone. Maybe east coast? Would have been around 4 AM there.

@renepassa1969 10 ай бұрын

A coloring book?

@ninedaysjane2466 10 ай бұрын

@@renepassa1969 Ridiculous, isn't it?

@shadowmoon5445 10 ай бұрын

Thanks glad to see you uploading again

@roxanneharpster4579 2 ай бұрын

Glastonbury

@Ghost_Rider_786 8 ай бұрын

Who was in charge of the French investigation - Inspector Clouseau ? They could not find one child for 8 hours even though she was in the CAR and they took nearly a whole YEAR to find the Passports of this poor family EVEN THOUGH they were in the Jacket pocket of the deceased !!!! French Police are Totally Imcompetent.....

@KulturKampf777 7 ай бұрын

I say that in the first part of your comment they did right because they had to preserve the crime scene and slowly analyze it comb for evidence, while the girl didn’t make a sound and was well hidden in the car. When it comes to the passports, yeah it’s insane, I agree.

@Ghost_Rider_786 7 ай бұрын

@@KulturKampf777 The reason it took 8 hours was because they asked a team from Paris to attend .....Not because they were being super careful to preserve the scene ...Their actions were inexcusable ....The French cops and prosecutor were and continue to be useless ....Had the British cops been in charge they wud have solved this crime .... British cops are the best in the world

@Ghost_Rider_786 7 ай бұрын

@@KulturKampf777 St Geroges mother was Palestinian btw .....

@KulturKampf777 7 ай бұрын

@@Ghost_Rider_786 I didn’t know that, they still did right by asking for help from a more experienced team, but if they still messed up the evidence at the crime scene then I agree they are incompetent. I would say French police is pretty bad yes, it’s something common in more cases. I don’t know how good British police is, but their law has insanely small sentences for serious offenses.

@curiouser-and-curiouser 6 ай бұрын

@@Ghost_Rider_786 🤣 The British police who fail to catch 3 out of 4 burglars, managed to get 3,000 charges out of 130,000 car thefts, has a single digit charge rate for assaults, harassment, & public offenses, & has more than a quarter of unsolved murders. Yeah, they're the greatest.

@rhondamcewananderson3968 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Casefile! Well done, as always ♥️

@redlamina5937 10 ай бұрын

Thanks Casefile, I’ve not come across this case before. Well done, as always.

@danrobinson572 10 ай бұрын

Good 👍 morning to everyone from Pittsburgh Pennsylvania in America 🇺🇸

@corneliaarendsen1358 10 ай бұрын

Good day to America from Spain❤

@cynthiagibson6793 10 ай бұрын

I would squirrel money away in a Swiss account too if i had any money to squirrel.

@lisas8244 10 ай бұрын

LOL!! Truer words were never said!!! I'm right there with you!😛🤑💯

@thing_under_the_stairs 10 ай бұрын

Wouldn't we all?

@cdk1016 8 ай бұрын

Hahah!! Wouldn't we all?!?! 😂

@lisas8244 10 ай бұрын

I would love for this case to be presented at a VIDOC Society meeting in the US and see what they have to say.

@ninedaysjane2466 10 ай бұрын

They've never solved anything.

@brandyjean7015 10 ай бұрын

@@ninedaysjane2466not true.

@coreencasey5109 10 ай бұрын

Every time i think ive solved it ‘hang on, what, theres more’ such an intriguing murder. Hope it gets solved one day but its a really hard one. Happy the girls survived and are living a good life and feel safe.

@Gospel_weekly 10 ай бұрын

Hello Saturday club , where we all listening from to this captivating case file channel , ?Australia me this is my Saturday nights now 44 years old I must be old for this to be my Saturday night fix lol

@TF80s 10 ай бұрын

Dunlin, Ireland on a wet Saturday afternoon... 👍

@coreencasey5109 10 ай бұрын

Australia. Early morning cuppa😊

@ChicaG-vg7pj 10 ай бұрын

This case springs to mind that of Israel Keyes, and to a lesser extent, Jack Unterweger. Keyes confessed to having researched targets, prepared and planted kill kits ahead of time, and was meticulous in his planning (until he got sloppy and targeted a gal in his hometown). Europe has two murders, at least, committed with old weapons - this one, and that of Alistair Wilson. Little to no physical evidence, murky motives, and stranger on stranger attacks.

@SurprisedPanda-om4kf 10 ай бұрын

Very well put together podcast although I really prefer the endings that are solved , Thanks case file

@vikkideanegomez 10 ай бұрын

Me too

@stuartd9741 10 ай бұрын

Me three.

@ItsKrma00 10 ай бұрын

Me 4

@gracee.4657 10 ай бұрын

You should still make an emergency 911 phone call if you dont have service, because it's for 911 it will still try and signal off nearby military or other towers!

@thing_under_the_stairs 10 ай бұрын

It's not guaranteed if the signal is blocked by, say, mountains, which is where this case took place. The valleys of the French Alps are gorgeous, but those mountains that make the area so beautiful still block service. Also, I don't believe that 911 is the emergency number in France. Pretty sure it's 999.

@npickle54 7 ай бұрын

Its 112 in France or dial 17@thing_under_the_stairs

@user-mt4ku7jw1y 8 ай бұрын

I remember this case well when it happened, international news, followed it closely

@stevemartinat8537 8 ай бұрын

This account by Casefile includes a few details I have not read/listened to in other accounts. Maybe due to it being more recent than others. Good job!

@naomiledger1374 10 ай бұрын

That was a compelling, albeit tragic, case. I didn't expect it to end unsolved though! I don't believe it was the perfect crime. I suspect the ability to solve it was thwarted by sloppy initial police work which created a vastly more difficult case. I hope one day it will be solved. I'm fascinated to know the why behind this one. I hope the surviving family are managing to live their lives well now.

@yeetnama9094 10 ай бұрын

Do you HAVE to write a damn spoiler and talk about the ending in the top comments ? FFS

@naomiledger1374 10 ай бұрын

@@yeetnama9094 perhaps try listening to the podcast before reading the comments section where ppl discuss the case!

@SurprisedPanda-om4kf 10 ай бұрын

@@yeetnama9094 why would you look at comments before listening?

@maryfrancesbeckerhaggerty5353 10 ай бұрын

I was listening to a different case on here and saw this new one! Yay

@dennisfinan7977 9 ай бұрын

Ya the brotheres were at each others throats over inheritance but its just a misunderstanding

@grottybt5006 5 ай бұрын

Shocking how they were willing to kick people's doors in, potentially shooting and killing people and they hadn't even searched the victims jacket. Zieed crying raycism at the end is pretty pathetic when they basically armed raided that Frenchman's house because somebody suggested he might be raycist. I'd say it's the opposite, they went aggressive on proud locals because the victims were foreign to Europe

@itallia666 10 ай бұрын

🇬🇧 I keep thinking of Sherlock Holmes theory about a crime.. " When you remove the impossible, Whatever remains, however improbable is the answer!" This really is a convoluted & multi faceted crime! But! I think with all the senarios the French & British detectives Theorised on, the waters became muddied very quickly. The lack of communication & possible co operation between the two police depts & the lack of care, re allowing all & sundry to contaminate the crime scene before a meticulous search was carried out. Listening to this, had me breathless with the mad jumping from one theory to the next from Saddam Hussein to Swiss bank accounts to a money grabbing greedy brother, then espionage, industrial secrets, Mad snipers, Hit men, secret husband in America, ...oh my word! Instead of rushing about like headless chickens, the British & French law enforcement should have set up a co ordinated team. With info categorised as possible Impossible, improbable & probable Too much time spent on crazy ideas. As time went on, id say much was lost & anything important wasnt acted upon, like finding the Al Hilli passports in the jacket of the dad Saad, TWO YEARS after the crime took place! I mean at the onset, it took teams of cops 8 HOURS to find the 4yr old daughter in the back seat!! Crikey.. talk about incompetant! If it wasnt the money obsessed Greedy, ungrateful & controlling brother of Saad Al Hilli, then Its impossible to find the right answer! Like looking for a diamond in a muddy river! You did a brilliant job in presenting this tangled & trashed crime, in at least a half way understandable form. It must have been a right old headache trying to put stuff in a chronological order & make sense of the info! Well done anyway! You should have been investigating this crime! Peace to All 🇬🇧👧

@Flanneryschickens 4 ай бұрын

I just have to wonder why Mrs. Al-Hilli ran out on her marriage in the US? Was she running from something, was it just family pressure to be more traditional, did her first husband mistreat her, did she want kids and he couldn't have them or what? It's so odd to me that she did a personality 180 and became extremely shy and devout. Makes me wonder if something traumatic happened to her in the US.

@stykytte 10 ай бұрын

"The perfect crime" yes, one full of holes that all point to a particular conclusion but which must be ignored to maintain the status quo and the image of a nation.

@ninedaysjane2466 10 ай бұрын

Always called The Alps Murders. I don't know why people feel the need to change the names.

@laurali7010 10 ай бұрын

I honestly can't blame Zaid al Hilli at all for his refusal to go to France. The xenophobia (and islamaphobia in particular) of French law enforcement is notorious, it would have been incredibly easy for him to get railroaded based on his ethnicity alone. Some people might find his refusal suspicious but tbh it makes complete sense to me!

@bohemenper1636 10 ай бұрын

wonder why ghaha

@niksonrex88 9 ай бұрын

Very good, they dont belong in France.

@dennisfinan7977 9 ай бұрын

Awww poor muslims

@dennisfinan7977 9 ай бұрын

Westerners should start going into Muslim nations and start demanding stuff.

@dennisfinan7977 9 ай бұрын

@@AayoRayo right bro?

@Lopyswine Ай бұрын

Can we not have stories that involve ridiculous Arab family drama?

@catherineturley 10 ай бұрын

The key is that gun. Probably an old timer. I would interview friends and family of the motorcycle rider about his firearms.

@1family473 6 ай бұрын

I think it was something to do with the wife very suspicious probably working for intelligence

@Bad_Gnasher 10 ай бұрын

Eric Devouassoux sounds very based.

@grottybt5006 5 ай бұрын

They raided him with special forces without even checking the victims pockets. That tells me he was so based already on the regime's basedman hit list and they just needed an excuse. Hope he got some compensation money

@rashid8646 10 ай бұрын

Many of these theories and tangents seem to be taken from one book. It feels a little sensationalist. It sounds like a hate crime where the police totally bungled the outcome. Some of the details mentions are rather innocuous too. Poor Zaid was almost railroaded for his brother's murder.

@Flanneryschickens 4 ай бұрын

This case is so wild. It makes me wonder if maybe the real explanation was just some insane road rage incident that spiraled out of control. Like the family cut someone off or were going too fast and someone lost it

@christiansantos7164 3 ай бұрын

Road rager with a 100 year old gun in a peaceful mountain road, you just solved the case. 😂

@claymac7895 10 ай бұрын

This isn't a mystery at all. Just shotty detective work not being able to bring charges against this woman.

@jarigustafsson7620 8 ай бұрын

where do you get an ancient Luger? why use such an odd weapon when there are much better weapons, a racist drunk local hot head did it. why would you carry enough ammo to reload 3 times your ancient gun? The girl said the truth, his dad was shot first in the back, their where no shots before that as the cyclist had to be close to the site to hear those first shots, he was not shot until he drove to spot.

@DrewJacobson61 10 ай бұрын

Random seems ridiculous. The x husband dying on the same day coincidence…NOT believable.

@stykytte 10 ай бұрын

Right? We're all supposed to pretend that it's perfectly rational and not at all suspicious. BS, it's so obvious when these intelligence agencies screw up and then try to feed us the most ridiculous stories, meanwhile when coincidences actually happen the authories are all over it with "no such thing as a coincidence, it was planned!".

@stykytte 10 ай бұрын

My reply isn't viewable, which means my comment was far too close to the truth. I agreed with OP. Coincidence only exists for authorites when it benefits them and doesn't exist for anyone else in the criminal justice system.

@ninedaysjane2466 10 ай бұрын

@@stykytte Or it's just a KZbin glitch. Happens a lot. You're not special.

@stykytte 10 ай бұрын

@@ninedaysjane2466 Yeah, sure "glitch", when people type certain things that never go through but can type gibberish and it's fine. I would tell you how the YT comment system actually works but it won't go through, weird that..

@Bigohno0 8 ай бұрын

I've been listening to Casefile on Spotify for years, never realised it's on YT too 😂

@donnablack6280 10 ай бұрын

Such a travesty what has been forced on our once safe countries.

@yeetnama9094 10 ай бұрын

Yup. 3rd world savagery and degeneracy. Thanks to our Semitic overlords for our widen open borders! Gates of Toledo all over again.

@lukebarton5075 2 ай бұрын

@dom It’s ok bud. Nobody’s forcing you to listen to this.

@pr0cessa 9 ай бұрын

This is a real mystery... I've been to that area (many years ago, I did my junior year abroad, my university had a branch in Talloires). It's such a beautiful place and the last place you'd imagine something like this happening (cliché thing to say I know, but it's true)

@frederickbowdler8169 5 ай бұрын

Possibly a gun collector..... who else would have 3 clips of eight shots.and a hundryey year old weapon.

@bkminchilog1 9 ай бұрын

This is too many coincidences for me

@usernameisusername 10 ай бұрын

I can't believe I got this content for free actually I take that back I do pay for KZbin but still my God man this is good stuff I mean other than you know

@margaretbanks8969 10 ай бұрын

Could this be something to do with the Iraq wars bearing in mind father was born in Iraq. Could that be an explanation.

@wildandbarefoot 6 ай бұрын

It was road rage from the biker to the cyclist who having shot him finished off the family. Mobile phone records are the key.

@kimwhatmatters4085 8 ай бұрын

We’re supposed to believe her ex husband died on the sane day if it is a coincidence I’d say he must of been her soul mate

@econchon 24 күн бұрын

If the girl recall the white guy (possibly bike guy) grabbed her from behind, is it possible that there is DNA evidence left on her. He struck her head many times with a gun handle, must have left some DNA on her clothes. Was any check done?

@frederickbowdler8169 5 ай бұрын

the motorcyclist must have seen the murder Bret was behind the racing cyclist and catching up only one road .I really believe french police know the name the killer but for a reason have suppressed obvious clues to his identity. released and rearrested motorcyclist without identifying him Did the second motorcyclist the police identified also match the description in the identikit sketch ie goatee and helmet.?

@frederickbowdler8169 5 ай бұрын

The identity that the two foresters saw.

@FrederickBowdler 2 ай бұрын

Did the car full of french hikers not see the motorcyclist?

@grubasgra 9 ай бұрын

French started cleaning

@grottybt5006 5 ай бұрын

Maybe the French cyclist came across them and intervened then got more hits in anger for ruining it. T R aitors are usually viewed with more disdain than the outgroup they're helping

@garethadams9610 10 ай бұрын

This one cannot be blamed on 🇺🇸 gun laws.

@yardfowl3149 10 ай бұрын

R U sure?

@tkdb317 6 ай бұрын

Nitpicking here, but I love that you learned how to pronounce Sylvain... but then went on to pronounce Iraqi as "Eye-Raki" ...when most people know that only Americans pronounce it that way out of pure disrespect. As an Aussie, you know it's "Ee-Raki" and that’s very disappointing. You'll still maintain your US audience without disrespecting others. Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oi Oi Oi 🇦🇺 !

@jerrymarshall2095 8 ай бұрын

No cop shaming

@dustinsimpson6775 7 ай бұрын

Crazy...

@kimwhatmatters4085 8 ай бұрын

It was the motorcyclist duh

@Primesuspect13 10 ай бұрын

❤❤❤

@TRUECRIMESPTV 9 ай бұрын

My suspicion is road rage. The forest worker said they were driving very fast.

@grottybt5006 5 ай бұрын

Apparently they drive like lunatics on the continent so that might not be unusual

@taradeleeuw2344 Ай бұрын

Perfect crime

@GhGh-gq8oo 5 ай бұрын

These people will live in any country besides their own lmfao

@philfluther2713 10 ай бұрын

Killer as elusive as serial killer Thomas Dillon.

@vikkideanegomez 10 ай бұрын

Please make your Podcasts about cases SOLVED

@stykytte 10 ай бұрын

I'm sure he'll bend over backwards to accommodate your specific request. This is basically solved anyway, we might never know who pulled the trigger but read between the lines and you know why. The French gov do not want certain leads followed, completely disregard important evidence and circumstances as "coincidence" and are hyperfocused on finding any random nutter to pin it on - speaks volumes.

@stee8345 8 ай бұрын

They cover plenty of solved cases...but ok.

@pikeman80 9 ай бұрын

Sounds like Amarican paranoia to me.

@FatRescueSwimmer04 8 ай бұрын

IMO it appears Aliens did this

@smusser8854 8 ай бұрын

Sounds like a local racist road rage case. I am shocked that they said the local man had nothing linking him? Really, illegal guns, military history, crazy views, cell phone in the area, the same type of bullets, helmet, motorcycle? I think the french went crazy trying to find something more interesting.