Casting Polyurethane Motor Mount Bushings with Liquid Urethane & 3D Printed Mold (Scion tC2 / tC2.5)

[@EnergeticWaves]

Isn't it fun all these great toys they invent for us to play with.

[@VampyreX13]

It's very handy. My girlfriend and I are thinking of getting a laser next and possibly a resin printer for future (non-car related) projects.

[@SakeBarSushi]

As I am watching this I am 3D printing a custom gearbox mount for my Volt. I am using TPU 95A with 40% hexagon infill and 5 shells plus 5 bottom and top layers. I just did a web search and it seems that TPU 95A may have not been available at the time of this video. It is amazing how 3D printing has revolutionized the DIY engineering scene. Great video!

[@emailformosa]

You can use PVA (which is a water soluble support filament) to print the molds. After casting you can dissolve the mold away from the casting with water.

[@-smp-scientificmethodpersp838]

This is the coolest method I've seen.

[@wizrom3046]

You normally dont need to destroy the moulds, just squirt some compressed air down the sides and the rubber part will pop out. If it is hard to get down the side drill a tiny pinhole in the bottom and squirt the air in the pinhole, then the pinhole can be covered witn sticky tape for the next mould use.

[@VampyreX13]

The mold would definitely need to be printed thicker for that.

[@drrock5356]

Another good variable to check is how much the engine moves when you load the drivetrain. Pop the hood, start the car and put it in drive (in an automatic), but hold the brake with one foot, and give it some throttle (so the car doesn't move!). Note how much the engine rotates as it revs.

[@jasonriley8977]

Hi if you drill a small hole in the bottom of the mould and use compressed air they’ll remove much easier

[@VampyreX13]

Thanks for the tip!

[@nickstewartroc]

Thanks dude, this is great! Subscribed

[@Kevin-im2ri]

If it melts back down in the oven at 170 wouldn’t it soften also while sitting under a engine at 160-260?

[@BedazzledChanclas]

This is pretty badass

[@kush_tography7960]

I know this is an older video but the poly set up like that because of the 170 degree temp. I'm surprised the can even suggest to get it that hot. The hotter you heat it up, the faster it sets up. I would went with about 150. Also, if you have an air compressor, those will pop right out the mold with a little air blast.

[@VampyreX13]

It's my first time working with the stuff, so I was just following the instructions as close as possible. You're the second person to recommend using an air compressor, which I do have. If I have to make more in the future, I'll remember that.

[@617Sage]

Hey great vid do you have somewhere we can talk business I’m looking too pay you for fabricating mounts for my car if something your interested in please let me know

[@WandersOfficial]

great job man..great video... good to hear he comparison.

[@innersu]

I’m waiting for that original filled motor mount video and results. I don’t know if you are up to making it a business but I would buy a new one done from you. If any other viewer are up to buying them please reply to this post so we motivate him selling them to us.

[@VampyreX13]

I just need to edit it together and then actually swap in the mount to test it, but I've been busy this week. I promise I'll have it up soon. As for selling them, the only issues are that I would need to test it to make sure there are no issues and I would need a mount to fill. Also, you need to use the entire contents of the can of urethane to have the proper mixing ratio, so that would be a huge waste for one mount only.

[@innersu]

Derrick Aquino I can ask my crew and we can make a list here on KZbin if anyone is up to. We send you the money in advance. Lest wait for the video and then we can make work around the how to.

[@VampyreX13]

@@innersu how many other gen2 tC owners are in your group?

[@innersu]

Derrick Aquino Lats meet was like 55. And still adding more. tc2 must be like 35 to 40.

[@VampyreX13]

@@innersu I know like 2 other gen2 tC owners near me. Lol.

[@cbpuzzle]

I need to do this for four 12in wheels in a 5 piece printed mold that I made to cast around aluminum pit bike wheels. PU looks thick and gloppy. Air bubbles are gonna be a big issue. Ugh :( Wish me luck.

[@mainsfortes5778]

Brilliant !

[@cobra3289]

When you have a bushing, its much easier to make a silicon mold from it, much less work, the 3d printer is for making master pieces.

[@myamazinglittleworld5673]

Great video, great info, subscribed.

[@johnkaing98]

Great job! Subscribed.

[@sreethampan]

Thank you for sharing the information

[@trosslv]

Nice explanation and presentation. Thanks.

[@VampyreX13]

Thank you!

[@comaradelee]

would u recommend this on a rack and pinion bushing? what grade would be ok?

[@VampyreX13]

It should work fine for that, but I don't know what hardness to recommend. You could message the company and ask.

[@Michaelhood0]

Is urethane and polyurethane different metrial? Looking for good cost affective places to buy polyurethane for bushing casting

[@VampyreX13]

They're the same thing.

[@madforit9661]

Clever stuff

[@xaimeglez74]

Just saw your video, very cool stuff!!!

[@icashADDICT]

pretty cool

[@VampyreX13]

Also cool is being able to 3D print shock mount bushings.

[@andrieslouw6588]

What is the benefits of polyurethane exhaust mounts?

[@VampyreX13]

They don't sag and they prevent the exhaust from bouncing around. They're great if you need the exhaust to sit in one spot to avoid hitting the bumper or anything else. If I didn't have them installed, my muffler would bang on my trailer hitch all the time.

[@francisheusner7646]

Polyurethane bushings . I don’t know how you can make the mounds in Bz.

[@AUTOSARTID]

Sir would you tell how long casting should inside microwave and temperature in celcius/farenheit. I'm quite difficult to understand your explanation my listening English not so good. Thanks 🙏

[@VampyreX13]

In a dedicated craft oven for 18 hours at 150°F / 65.5°C.

[@AUTOSARTID]

thank you much appreciate @@VampyreX13

[@btkeays123]

Do you think printing 3d molds is better with a resin printer?

[@VampyreX13]

I think a filament printer is better for something like this. I'm not sure how well resin would hold up to being baked and how hard it would be to pull off the polyurethane.

[@btkeays123]

@@VampyreX13 thanks!

[@d4nnyh]

Hey, out of curiousity what do you thing of directly printing polyurethane bushings using tpu filament?

[@VampyreX13]

I haven't used TPU yet, but someone commented in one of my Facebook posts and said they "printed many parts out of 90A TPU and they seem to hold up well on both race cars and street cars. I'm sure the molded product is better though."

[@silodesign3d947]

I currently supply a customer with poly bushes 3d printed in ultimaker tpu, he uses them to build up the custom air shocks on his air ride systems, they work really well.

[@msu19911]

We make molds for urethane. get in touch with us if you would want custom molds.

[@yuno3364]

TIP: Need to use a vacuum chamber to get the air out of those while they are liquid

[@VampyreX13]

This actually starts to thicken up pretty quick. The ones I poured as soon as I mixed the polyurethane were fine.

[@straycats9934]

Can polyurethane liquid be used to patch up or be used to seal on the crack of polyurethane skateboard hub motor wheel?(im sorry for my english

[@VampyreX13]

That is outside my knowledge scope.

[@GilbertsGarage]

Subscribed

[@hongmihnhahn7081]

wondering that material is a little soft ? or absoultely hard? i wanna get a bushing harder than rubber.

[@VampyreX13]

Any of the polyurethane mixes they have for suspension will be harder than rubber. 95A is going to be the hardest. 80A is recommended for a daily car.

[@hongmihnhahn7081]

@@VampyreX13 very thanks there are so many hardeness grade

[@VampyreX13]

Yes. I'm using 80 shore A hardness in my car. Read this for more info: polytek.com/how-to/video/mold-making-tips-mold-rubber-hardness

[@hongmihnhahn7081]

@@VampyreX13 it's informative i am planning to make 65A Bushing for FLEX JOINT

[@benpolstra4347]

Is the outside piece of the mold just used to hold shape?

[@VampyreX13]

Yes.

[@zachwaddill7801]

Does that rot out in two or three years?

[@VampyreX13]

Mine is still fine.

[@jeremiahwatt5995]

I’m having issues with my 2014 vibrating when idle in drive. Could some of that be related to my mounts?

[@VampyreX13]

That could be a sign of bad motor mounts. Check the side and rear ones since the front doesn't support the engine.

[@EnergySeeker]

How about making it in tpu ??

[@VampyreX13]

Yes, you can do TPU as well. I've had someone mention to me that's what they did. Since this video, I've also made TPU suspension bushings.

[@ajasshamsudheen4351]

Which types of store we get 2 part polyurethane

[@VampyreX13]

Info is in the video description.

[@micmike]

What did you pay for the urethane and it's hardener? Was that a quart of hardener?

[@VampyreX13]

I got this a while ago and can't find the receipt in my email, but if you follow the link in the video description it shows at $33.99 plus shipping. It makes 13.52 fl oz. Follow the link for more info.

[@_kudos8093]

Hey dude I really appreciated your video. I subscribed and all. Where did you get the bushing sleeves and would you be able to help me with gathering the measurements for my bmw e46?

[@VampyreX13]

Do you mean the sleeve bearing that sits inside the bushing? That came with my aftermarket mount. As for measurements, I recommend getting a digital caliper. I used one from Harbor Freight.

[@joshuahnamtehnamte5277]

Where i can buy polyurethane liquid

[@VampyreX13]

Check the video description for info.

[@kammarudinmasukat7131]

god morning sir how to order polyurthene liquid?

[@VampyreX13]

Information is in the video description.

[@ruckusdc5]

What is a softer more oe style mount? For 08 tc

[@VampyreX13]

OE is going to be the softest. If you need softer, get the Torque Solution mount for your tC and make a bushing with softer polyurethane.

[@dubs4life7]

you're on the Baltimore Beltline near Towson

[@VampyreX13]

Yes. Have you seen me around?

[@danielmorrison4517]

What 3D printer are you using? That is a great idea.

[@VampyreX13]

A modded Ender-3.

[@davidjosemaloofrivera7056]

How bigger is the bushing in relation to the size of the hole in which it is pressed?

[@VampyreX13]

It was exactly the size of the opening in the mount. It's snug, just like the previous bushing it replaced.

[@davidjosemaloofrivera7056]

@@VampyreX13 Thanks man

[@alfonsoalvarez8251]

Hello, Derick Can you make me 4 bushing for the from EMU lift kit, they send me the wrong size. I need 4, - 39mm eye size. They are for 76 Toy Landcruiser FJ40. Thank-You

[@VampyreX13]

Unfortunately, I just don't have the time. At most, I might be able to design and 3D print the molds for you, but I would need precise measurements. My recommendation is to call Energy Suspension (949-361-3935) and tell them what you need so they can find you a compatible, if not exact, part number to order.

[@alfonsoalvarez8251]

Hello, Derek when I spoke with Kevin at Energy Suspension, he told me I would have to order between 100 -500 and they do not do single orders. Any other Ideas? thanks, AA

[@VampyreX13]

Get the part number you need and ask them for one of their distributors that can fill the order. What are you trying to get from them exactly?

[@alfonsoalvarez8251]

Derrick Aquino He did not want to help because he told me just to get started I would have to get the engineering Dept. Involve and that would take a couple thousand dollars.

[@VampyreX13]

@@alfonsoalvarez8251 what are you trying to make?

[@alfonsoalvarez8251]

Derrick Aquino : Hello, my friend they are the bushings for the front of the spring shackle. EMU send the wrong size. I imagine due to the COVID 19 they are making them and they do not make many on the size I need. Thanks AA

[@VampyreX13]

Is it a simple round bushing? Do you have the measurements for it?

[@razif6916]

You used 80a hardness?

[@VampyreX13]

Yes, since I already had 95A bushings and they were too hard.

[@buraksalman9942]

What about bushing after 1 year. Still alive?

[@VampyreX13]

100% still looking like the day I casted it.

[@buraksalman9942]

@@VampyreX13 thank you. Good work

[@cedriceveleigh]

You probably should have worn gloves when handling and mixing the liquid PU components.

[@VampyreX13]

Yeah, I forget a lot when filming because I have to constantly take my gloves off, hit record, and put them back on. I thought I noted about wearing gloves via text in the video, but I guess not.

[@johnbuffinton7324]

Where did you buy the poly liquid?

[@VampyreX13]

Check my video description for links.

[@renatoambiado4372]

Where did you get the red start button?

[@VampyreX13]

That is actually a planned future quick video, but the product link is amzn.to/2uMN1uz.

[@MyMomSayNoDota]

make diamond pattern inside the bush to retain the grease.

[@VampyreX13]

This bushing doesn't use nor needs any grease.

[@MyMomSayNoDota]

@@VampyreX13 i see..

[@mikekerezsi9672]

Nice work, are you willing to sell some ?

[@VampyreX13]

Thank you, but I don't have time to make these. I do have the 95A Prothane ones I mention at the beginning of the video up for sale at facebook.com/marketplace/item/881011575810155.

[@kumarpatil6161]

Grade of polyurethane?????

[@VampyreX13]

I'm not sure what exactly you need to know, but it's listed as urethane elastomer. I would check www.suspension.com/diymmi. There's some documents linked there. Otherwise, contact the manufacturer.

[@georgenettlesjr1466]

How can I mail you a rubber pad so you can make me four polyurethane spring pads for my 61 Thunderbird that no one makes?

[@VampyreX13]

So you want to make a polyurethane version of the rubber pad you have? If so, there's a different method you can use. Let me know.

[@georgenettlesjr1466]

@@VampyreX13 yes that's correct. You read that perfectly!

[@VampyreX13]

​@@georgenettlesjr1466 my recommendation is to get a silicone mold making liquid rubber (amzn.to/3aOTiXy, though you may need enough to make 4 individual molds) and mold release (amzn.to/2Qlr8u6) along with the polyurethane mix. Make 4 copies of the rubber pad so that once you mix the polyurethane, you can use it all at once and pour all 4 molds.

[@MRMAN-wb1tv]

*So you just happen to have a 3-D printer in your garage huh*

[@xabysebastian529]

Does it degrade with the heat? Can you alter the poly recipe for a softer bushing?

[@VampyreX13]

No, it's been fine in the engine bay sitting next to my header. If you want a softer bushing, order the liquid urethane with the lower durometer rating.

[@Phil-D83]

Look up Siberian bushings

[@deejayrelapz6903]

hey great job and review did you happen to do rear engine mount and side mounts also?

[@VampyreX13]

No, only the front torque mount.

[@deejayrelapz6903]

@@VampyreX13 notice big difference with rear and front done i did it and stop engine rigidity :)

[@VampyreX13]

@@deejayrelapz6903 That would be too much vibration for my daily though.

[@cassandradebruyn9010]

Like.

[@zacharyohare2118]

Motor mounts are really large, but I'm hoping to do this with differential bushings for my SRT8, then move on to suspension parts as well. Freaking k member bushings are $200, diff are $150 etc, just ridiculous by the time you replace all the the link bushings and such. Car is multilink front and rear, probably 30 bushings, averaging $25/bushing or more. Yuck. can replace the entire arm with rubber bushings for that. Here's an idea I'm curious if you're interested in trying- what about casting an insert for the oem motor mount, other subframe mounts etc, IE how torque solutions does it. That what you don't get much extra NVH until it starts to deflect significantly.

[@VampyreX13]

I thought about making inserts, but I think it's just better to fill the stock mounts once you trim out some of the extra rubber per kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqmkfWWkbLung7c. I don't have any issues with NVH with my mounts.

[@xXBEBeJayyPXx]

Are you planing to probably sell this ? because if you are im higly interested ! lol

[@VampyreX13]

I wasn't planning to originally, but you're now the second person asking about motor mounts. I am selling the 95A bushings I took out though if you're interested in those.

[@tylerwaite8125]

Why not just 3d print the bushing out of tpu

[@VampyreX13]

You could do that, too. I wasn't using TPU as much back when I first made this video, but I have printed TPU shock bushings since.

[@jsantiago5604]

You should make me one

[@VampyreX13]

It wouldn't be cheap if I did. $48 for the liquid urethane alone plus 3D printer time (it's tied up for my production use), craft oven time (tied up for my girlfriend's production use), and my time. I do have the 95A inserts for sale though if you're interested.

[@Darkvoidproductions1]

aw I was hoping you would show how you measured everything up and designed it in tinker cad, other then that awesome video

[@VampyreX13]

I can make a video for that. Just give me a week as my schedule is crazy booked.

[@Darkvoidproductions1]

@@VampyreX13 That would be awesome, thanks!

[@Darkvoidproductions1]

@@VampyreX13 Do you have a moment to make the next video? I'm trying to make custom bushings and I'd like to see how you did it in detail so I don't mess it up. Thanks!

[@VampyreX13]

@@Darkvoidproductions1 I'm still trying to get that together. I've been really swamped the past couple of weeks. The only reason I'm still posting weekly videos is because I have a few of them already mostly prepped. I will try to work on this one after this weekend.

[@Darkvoidproductions1]

@@VampyreX13 Appreciate it, thank you

[@MrRicky2jz]

willing to make some bushings for a fee?

[@VampyreX13]

I just don't have the time really. If I did, it probably wouldn't be cheap because of the cost of materials and the amount of time and work I would have to put into it.

[@christopheraustin3324]

Sell me one 👀

[@VampyreX13]

Do you already have the hard mount for the urethane to go into?

[@christopheraustin3324]

@@VampyreX13 I don’t . Where do I get that at?

[@VampyreX13]

@@christopheraustin3324 that's the main problem. It's no longer available anywhere. Your best bet is to look at my other video where I talk about filling your stock mounts.

[@christopheraustin3324]

@@VampyreX13 I’ll check it out. Thanks man!

[@djohartobing5962]

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