Castles and Multiplayer in Assassin's Creed Syndicate

Assassin's Creed Victory was supposed to have co-op multiplayer in various castles and Stonehenge.

[@Amikeur]

The locations would have been incredible. Too bad coop was dropped after Unity.

[@chrismoore5333]

Main game with only one protagonist, Jacob, set within London. Co-op with other characters across the UK. That game needs to be remade! It needs to happen!

[@Rrodfer]

this was the best feature in the series

[@MuchWhittering]

That AI Desmond voice is spot on.

[@T0FFII]

Nah they got Nolan North to record it.

[@dajoker8998]

@@T0FFIInope

[@deepflare1028]

@@T0FFII lmfao

[@pizzaparkerhotdogmaguire3225]

Using artist's voice without their permission. Pretty unethical

[@Magabes_]

They saw how good and successful the coop was in AC Unity, then they were like "...lets avoid doing that, we're Ubisoft."

[@theangryimp1345]

Nothing in unity was successful but only because it released a year early

[@SeFu2006]

@@theangryimp1345the concepts in Unity are perfect, Ubisoft for lack of a better word.. is just stupid

[@meh8726]

At that time AC Unity was kind of a failure, not entirely but yeah. That's probably why they removed it.

[@Diakoidris]

You’re looking at Unity through rose-tinted glasses. Unity was the beginning of the end for the franchise as we knew it. It was a push towards the RPG games that we have now.

[@Magabes_]

@@Diakoidris Go play a few hours of co-op in AC Unity right now after you familiarize yourself with the game. Do it. Then tell me it's truly looking through rose-tinted glasses. I still play the multiplayer of AC Unity. Do you wonder why there's an interest and people still play it? Because it's good.

[@Satellaview1889]

The idea of a multiplayer setup like this feels straight out of the late 2000s. It feels like the type of thing to tie Syndicate, the flashy current-gen game which takes place in London with occasional visits to places outside of the city, in with Victory, the hand-held spinoff with impressive-for-the-time graphics on the DS and PSP, that focuses on smaller locations across the English countryside and only goes to London in the last mission.

[@afiffarakhan4992]

Hold on... Desmond Miles narating the video? Top Tier!

[@silverking8460]

it's ai voice I do believe

[@SeriousDragonify]

It's illegal using Nolan's voice without permission.

[@establishmentOttoman315]

@@SeriousDragonify But illegal things are so cool, love it

[@kidofhell]

Better than any suit in Syndicate.... they really should have have a hooded mode rather a hood only when you crouch/sneak.....

[@faustin1022]

the files refer to the game as AC VI. which means that technically all the next games after Black Flag are actually numeric continuations, and they just don't put it in the name? Interesting. I am surprised no one mentions it in the comments.

[@recoverypng]

It actually stands for Assassin's Creed Victory, which was the working title of Syndicate.

[@chrismoore5333]

Unity and syndicate are listed as AC5 and AC6 in concept art on occasion as well. Syndicate was the last game with the writers and creative team who worked on Connor, Arno, (mainly but not only dead kings for arno) Ezio, Desmond, and Altier. Jacob was the only character they wrote for however, as evie was never planned and had a different writer for her personal narrative, which is why her story feels like a side plot, because it is one. She wasn't meant to feature in the game at all originally.

[@NiskaMagnusson]

Isle of Mann and Lindisfarne are some of the pretties places in the Isles hands down, strongly recommend for any travelers!

[@Crashmarco]

This sounds very interesting and a good way to follow Unity co-op mode, it's a shame it didn't make it

[@chrismoore5333]

Think about this. Evie wasn't actually part of the original game, a older lady who was Jacob's mentor was a none playable part of the story, but that's as close to an "evie" as existed in the original game plan. The co-op in unity is about the same amount of levels, as evie has in syndicate. She replaced co-op, and that's so annoying, because I don't even like her!

[@chrismoore5333]

Evie has almost the same amount of missions in Syndicate, as co-op missions in Unity. I actually think she is just the replacement for the co-op, and then they shoehorned her into the last level. Its obvious when you play the game that Jacob is the main character, and that the open world and side missions are designed for Jacob. Evie is just the in place of the cut co-op, and frankly id rather have the co-op. Damn it.

[@axel7780]

Is it ok to ask, when the script was changed to add evie, why did they changed their tone? Why did they have to make the story become comedic in the main game, but was dark again in JtR? Alaso I hope you are doing well. Holding information about the game development and having this knowledge for this years must have been hard especially for your mental health. I saw your comment in the other post, and as someone who wants syndicate to be a better game, I feel sorry for the team in syndicate, especially when they wanted to redeem themselves after what happened to Unity. I hope they would be able to overcome those stress and even that blackmails that happened. Especially Jeffrey. Has not seen him be a lead writer again since Immortals Fenyx Rising

[@chrismoore5333]

@@axel7780 Originally, Jacob was indeed the only playable protagonist in the game, and evie didn't even exist as she is today. The game looked much darker and Jacob had the same outfit as George. This bit is important context. A woman called Kim belair and her friends got involved in the games development, fairly late, and they are somewhat famous for changing games to be more "inclusive" but that really just translates to more female and less white. Jacob was actually always supposed to be bisexual, and the games lead writer is in fact a gay man himself. The deep hypocrisy of Kim belair is that she doesn't care about that being inclusive, because she only values inclusion for people like her. And so she essentially blackmailed the syndicate team into creating evie as a playable twin protagonist. During an interview she can be heard complaining that her fellow devs told her Jacob is the main character, and she responded by saying she could manipulate people into thinking evie was the protagonist, by misrepresenting the twins online. You see, Kim belair was originally hired because she is a marketing expert, and so she knows how to manipulate what people think of a product. You can find this interview on a AC sisterhood KZbin video, titled after the woman who I am referring to here. Anyway, the games development ended up going through hell, and the team had to work backwards and cut a lot out, in order to add evie on time for launch. Kim belair went on to be the founder of the company called "sweet baby inc" who are currently in a lot of controversial conversation for similar reasons as we are discussing now. Kim belair since said "if they (they meaning the development team she is working with) don't see the value in what I want for a game, then I'll scare them with what might happen if they don't do as I ask." She actually said that. You can find her saying this in a variety of articles and videos about her. Just look her up and see for yourself, however take note, many journalists are her allies and lie for her. Jacob is the character shown in every single bit of leaked gameplay, screenshots, videos, development notes, artworks showing story moments are almost always shown with Jacob, and Jacob has 3 times as many concept arts that are all dated sometimes years older than the artworks for evie. Jacob also has artworks of the exact character shown in thr AC victory leaks, and this character is described as "Jacob frye." We can see on a website (if I use its name the comment will he removed for some reason) that is used for game devs to share their work together, and network, and this website has a variety of AC victory stuff. From menus screens to gameplay render screenshots, and even a display of the room people would sit in, when the team would reveal the game. It all shows Jacob frye as the protagonist, both in description, and visibly the "victory protagonist" has Jacob's face, exactly the same as it is in syndicate. The only reason the victory outfit isn't used for Jacob now, is because the art team wanted something that reflects Jacob's gang underworld story better, for his main look. Hence the victory outfit was given to George instead. If your interested, you can also find some cool black flag development stuff on that website as well. Originally, Pearl wasn't a character in syndicate/victory. Roth was, but he had a very different look and narrative role. The character that eventually got split to creat Roth as he is now, nd pearl, was Jacob's mentor. An older lady with grey hair, a black and red version of Lydia's outfit, and a silver mask to hide a badly injured face. She was the late games plot twist main villain. And the idea behind her character was later recycled into watch dogs legion's Sabine. Legion launched on the first big anniversary for Syndicate, and so many of it's ideas were actually restorations of cut syndicate narrative ideas. Evie eventually replaced thus mysterious mentor/villain to Jacob, but the narrative role of this mentor character was given to Roth and pearl, while evie would be instead, a good guy in the story. You can even spot the necklace thus mysterious mentor character had, on both Lydia, and evie but only on the box art, as evie didn't have it in the actual game. I hope you see for yourself, as I have put a lot of effort into trying to share this, but it isn't easy, as journalists rarely talk about it honestly, and those who support belair, tell lies about reduced female characters, despite the reality being opposite. Note also that the "AC victory project" mod, is a mod to restore that original version of the game. The mod team have seen all the files in game, and researched the games development extensively. They also say Jacob was the only protagonist in AC Victory, and it was indeed Jacob. Evie wasn't a playable character at all. You can check on their nexus page. With all this information, remember, Belair says she joined the syndicate team relatively late into development, so evie and the changes to the script would've been late enough to halt and damage development on the rest of the game, significantly. I hope this helps, as this situation is complex and difficult to research. I tried to share lots of info I feel is related to the topic, so that I can give an accurate picture.

[@mygi_ryt5384]

@@chrismoore5333 thanks for sharing,but it’s a disappointment that we could’ve get a multiplayer themed ac games instead of this new rpg mechanic game

[@chrismoore5333]

@@mygi_ryt5384 I agree with you. And I'm alwaus happy to see when someone chooses to read what I've written and allow this knowledge to become more common. I believe all passionate fans should know! Thank you.

[@winklenator]

If you enjoy the stealth elements of AC, Evie is infinitely more satisfying to play as compared to Jacob. Jacob is one of the worst assassins we ever play as in terms of abiding by the creed. Many of the creators at Ubisoft felt that female protagonists don’t sell games, which is why Evie takes a backseat in the story. The same thing happens with Aya in Origins

[@raydhaliwal3576]

This would have been outstanding. Imagine carrying out an assassination at a University. Wild.

[@matheus.bonfim]

We need a sequel for Syndicate

[@Hiddenone07]

interesting

[@chrismoore5333]

Ubisoft should just let Jacob be the soul protagonist of AC victory, and remake it's original concept as a new game. The planned version of the game I'd amazing, and I'd absolutely love to play it one day! I dislike evie more by the day, with how much victory info we are slowly getting. Ubisoft, just give us the original plan for Jacob's story and the original map and gameplay features planned for that game! To the youtuber, thank you for sharing this. I always try to give people as much info about this games development as I can, so it's good to see the work you do here. However I can confirm via concept art that co-op had 4 characters still. We also know that evie wasn't actually part of the original game, and the character people think is her, is actually a character who was an older lady, and Jacob's mentor. She was replaced by Pearl and roth in the final version of the game. Concept art shows Jacob meeting this mentor assassin lady, in the same places as pearl and roth, and often via a carriage, just like roth and pearl.

[@theangryimp1345]

I HATE UBISOFT AND THE AC TEAM

[@AmbitiousMentor]

Kim... Kim and gaming juronlists. That's all I'll say

[@chrismoore5333]

@@AmbitiousMentor Kim belair did manipulate (blackmail) the creative team until they shoehorned little snooty evie into the game. Ruined so much. ( in response to @krookedile, you can't link anything in KZbin comments anymore. Don't know why. Look up the video "AC syndicate concept art" on the channel "RaiEduHar" and you'll see a group of 4 playable assassin's, one of then Jacob in his Victory outfit, and none of them are evie. There are two girls and two guys, and then there is a 5th assassin who is just a mentor of sorts, from the research I have done. There are a few concepts of these 4 assassin's together, and the arrangement of many of There artworks together, is very similar to unity's box art. Sorry I had to write it on my previous comment, because KZbin keeps removing my replies to people, which is very annoying.)

[@krookedile]

Could you link the concept art suggesting this?

[@theangryimp1345]

@@krookedile as I recall, that's very difficult because youtub censors it everytime however its a site that devs use as a portfolio of sorts. I'll ask chirs if he can think of a way to tell you!

[@brad5426]

They did great at the city design but i found myself wanting to leave to visit other locations like in the Ezio games. I never completed syndicate and it was the last AC game i played.

[@RoberZamora]

I've always wondered if the location at 0:27 would be in the game or if it's just a cutscene.

[@naFarto]

This whole video has more ac atmosphere than the actual game.

[@lucasbentley3589]

Unity should have dropped in 2015 and this version of Victory should have dropped in 2016

[@AmbitiousMentor]

Its such a shame. As if AC red will be any good... oh god. This franchise is gonna go into hibernation lads. Its sad but true.

[@chrismoore5333]

AC red will not be good. We know this. Haha.

[@GutzOverFear]

That leaked outfit was so sick. Maximum Dracula in the final game is the closest thing to it but I wish it was still included.

[@riannon8925]

Actually, the Gunslinger coat is the real successor of the Victory outfit. It shares some similarities, also it was one of the outfit that appeared in the concept art after they modified the Victory outfit. In a syndicate trailer, the gunslinger coat still has the Assassin logo on the back like this outfit.

[@chrismoore5333]

@@riannon8925 I agree that the gunslinger coat is the evolution of the victory outfit, however the maximum dracula outfit does look more similar in general.

[@GutzOverFear]

@@chrismoore5333 Pretty good summary. 👍🏼

[@chrismoore5333]

@@GutzOverFear cheers, mate! Glad you think so!

[@porkeywings]

Imagine if they gave this game another year or two

[@RovixGR]

I missed desmond's voice

[@Mondiale78]

How tf are y’all able to stand up straight wit the hood on in this game? They only crouch in mine

[@coshcosh3753]

Could you get us the original AC Victoy gameplay footage??

[@SeFu2006]

Yeah he would have to make a blood sacrifice for that

[@hazarakbulut]

That where one of the best coop games…

[@ExcitingGamerz]

cool assassin suit bro

[@TheDennys21]

Desmond? You're alive! But how?

[@newidpending1109]

I hope ac level editor so much

[@chrismoore5333]

That would be really cool!

[@jurassicprimalgamer2457]

Edinburgh Castle is in Scotland not England

[@strikeforce1500]

Average Ubisoft shutting down an idea for a no good reason. At least they didnt do like ND with TLOU's factions that got stuck in development hell until canceled

[@chrismoore5333]

Far as I can tell, and I've done plenty research, co-op got pushed put and the main narrative changed, so that a lady who runs a company called sweet baby, could force evie into the game in place of the co-op. She's called Kim, and she worked on Syndicate before creating her blackmailing company, which she calls a "consultant" company.

[@imamfn]

There isn't "out of bounds" area in Syndicate other than the prologue ones? Damn, what a waste

[@felixyoung1482]

AAAAAAAAHHH!!! f´ck, this hurts.... hurts a lot....

[@ammatnatnurrestadious7533]

What a bad Ubisoft had very biggest Cut Content

[@1chibanKasuga]

sad break me, paying for less content than the previous title

[@RiverRockXIII]

Yeah too bad it's Ubisoft

[@theangryimp1345]

Pain! England always get done dirty by ubisoft. Edward is english! Nope hes welsh... Haytham is english! Nope hes a bad guy... AC valhalla is in England!!! Nope we are a invader and even then when hes a citizen of England the game ends and he was made a her even as he is odin because screw the fans. Ubisoft actually hate english people man. Its crazy. Worst part is that syndicate lost all of this because ubisoft wanted to change the tone after unitys failure and add in evie because kim was pushing a female lead... Absolutely awful. I mean basim who made the english brotherhood wasnt even a anglo-saxon... loki somehow is arabic. I hate ubisoft because they hate me and people like me based on my skin, gender and homeland. Luckily after ubisoft sold a dlc for 50 pounds i decided to never buy another assassin's creed until (if) thay ever fix the lore around odin and all that. Trash franchise not because it always was but because ubisoft poor politics and hate into every game.

[@hmmmm9174]

Lol two games dedicated to Englands foundational story and you find it hating? You want every story to be meatriding redcoats when they are clearly the villains And having Woman or Male Protagonists isnt wrong. Assassins can be either. Its historic fiction. But it should be rooted I agree And they have always shown all cultures and people around the world. Be it the arabs or americans or french or africans or asians. I know and agree they shouldnt go too far with it and adding weird Naughty dog like stuff and people would be rightly upset. But they havent gone in that direction and if they do they will rightly get a push back and deserve to and will come back to balanced. But the newer games have too much of the microtransactions stuff and bloatware and bloated ui and also pushing fake too much gender ideology. That should receive a pushback

[@theangryimp1345]

@@hmmmm9174 lol I guess you are American. Listen, eivor is odin and odin is thusly a women so ubisoft did go "that direction" and you fools said nothing because you accept propaganda from literally the same people as sweet baby. But you need a youtuber to tell you what to think don't you. The red coats were not the bad guys. History is never black and white. The patriots were A all British anyway. And B they tard and took property from any who didn't support them. Not to mention the revolution was over tax and after promising to remove tax, once the Americans won thay sold native land and added tax back in. Only now Americans had inflation and poverty and the native Americans had thire name taken from them, given to the British rebels and their land as well. All in the name of "freedom". If you're logic about playing the Americans was sound we would have been anglo-saxon in valhalla. Ubisoft do have a problem. Apparently just like you. Haytham by the way wasn't supportive of the red coats but he was the bad guy. Do some History. Get better at talking politely. And wake up about assassin's creed and its political agenda.

[@theangryimp1345]

@hmmmm9174 Oh, and the british ended slavery decades before the obviously perfect Americans.

[@theangryimp1345]

@hmmmm9174 no not at all Odin is a lady so that's obviously political. And America used the trade of humans decades after Britain stopped it. Not to mention that the natives lost their land and thire very name to the british "americans" Red coats definitely weren't good guys but God knows thay weren't bad. I hope you enjoy the state propaganda fed to you from a young age. While the founding farthers carved their face in a mountain thay stole. Yeah nothing says for the people like narcissism.

[@theangryimp1345]

@@hmmmm9174 so why were we not Anglo-Saxons in valhalla?

[@kalb390]

Instead we got the worst game ever

[@chrismoore5333]

That's an over reaction I think, but fair enough that's your opinion. Honestly Jacob and his story and the open world, aren't very different than what Victory would've been. Make Roth and pearl one character and make them an assassin mentor to Jacob, then make the tone of the game darker, and remove evie, and there you go. That is literally what changed between Victory and Syndicate. People imagine it was entirely different but this simply isn't the case. And syndicate as it is today, is still perfectly serious and dark when it needs to be. It is equally as full of light hearted comedy, and dark serious narrative, just the same as AC brotherhood, which unsurprisingly has the same lead writer.

[@LochNessHamster]

Please stop with the AI voice. It's so cringe.

[@chrismoore5333]

I think it's just a thing he chose to do, and others have noted that it sounds like Desmond which people have found amusing, so try to be less negative about it is what I'd say.

[@LochNessHamster]

@@chrismoore5333 No. It's a bad choice, and I'm going to voice my opinion on it. As a creator they should be willing to listen. Either voice it yourself or just use text. Text is perfectly fine. AI voices are uncanny and cringe. Appropriating Nolan North's vocal likeness is unethical. It's making the videos worse, and criticism should not be suppressed in the name of blindly "being less negative".

[@chrismoore5333]

@@LochNessHamster that's ridiculous. I'm not discussing anything with you, as your bullying the content creator, and pretending that he's at fault, when the only one kicking up a fuss is you.

[@LochNessHamster]

@@chrismoore5333 My criticism is fair and valid, and any creator should be willing to listen to criticism from their audience. I am not bullying anyone. I am respectfully articulating my feelings. You might not like them. You don't have to like them. That's not how discourse works. It's not about people just saying nice things that make them feel nice. It's about exchanging ideas and perspectives, which conflict more often than not. If you are not willing to acknowledge something as simple, fair, and ubiquitous as a sincere critique as anything other than "bullying" then, frankly, I don't think you're mature enough to participate in any kind of discussion.

[@chrismoore5333]

@@LochNessHamster a mature person doesn't complain that someone used an AI of someone's voice in a harmless way, to simply show cut content from a game. You made a situation out of nothing.