Gitrog vs Kroxa vs Zur vs Kefnet | cEDH Gameplay | Casually Competitive

[@angellopez6475]

Aw man, that Worldgorger play was heartbreaking

[@keldonator]

I have seen it fail far more times than succeed lol, that one was a surprise though lol

[@bakasamacollects2054]

how did he lose all the permanents? shouldn't he get them back?

[@NMS127]

@@bakasamacollects2054 Not if the leaves-the-battlefield trigger resolves before the enters-the-battlefield trigger. There's nothing to return, and then the Worldgorger is already gone when it exiles everything.

[@koelkast9]

Been there so many time with my glass canon anje

[@marpj6138]

@@bakasamacollects2054 Worldgorger has 2 abilities, one that exiles and one that returns. If he is removed in response to the ETB trigger then he will try to return the exiled permanents (none) first then the first trigger will resolve and exile everything. Important to notice that WotC dont do that anymore. For context look at "Banishing Light" and "Oblivion Ring". While on the surface they are the same, Banishing Light has only 1 ability that do everything while O-Ring was 2 abilities (like the dragon, one to exile and one to return), that means that said plays arent possible with banishing light since if you remove it in response to the exile trigger nothing is exiled, but with O-ring it would exile the thing forever

[@benjamincarter6095]

Favorite line: "Bill doesn't untap anything..."

[@rowrow_]

This game was one of the best you guys have uploaded. Turn 1 Kefnet, keeping Jordan from going infinite, the discard void from Bill kroxa and going for game, only for Joseph dig to stop Bill exactly with Nature's Claim... just, an incredible roller coaster

[@smo6477]

As a fellow kroxa player, that world gorger getting removed hurt me DEEPLY.

[@ODIRGO]

Bill: I'm about to win with a non lab-maniac-ish effect. Finally! something different! Joseph: Nope. Not in my channel.

[@kurtgrgelwrx8376]

That Kroxa was playing a very, very interesting br control plan, I loved it until, well, that happened

[@jnave7957]

Bill trying to get combo, backfires horribly. Hahaha

[@bl4ckl8tus]

Amazing content! Clear matches, without any irrelevant talking, just a commentary straight to the point. Thats what I was looking for, thank you!

[@TheRealLap]

Jordan really need to use the second ability of kefnet more.

[@TheRealLap]

Especially with Jace on board.

[@benjaminwallin4090]

I love how Bill just says in the game and just hangs out, is good stuff

[@samuelcreighton2530]

This was an awesome game! My only qualm is that because Gitrog and Kefnet remained untapped, that fateful turn where Bill was swinging would have been much different. The 2/2 could finish off Jace and the kroxa would go towards Joseph (as it would almost finish him off and put pressure on Joseph’s ability to crack peatland or verdant catacombs and get additional draws). Misplaying that swing lead to Joseph staying in the game and interrupting Bill’s combo turn. Still a very exciting game but just goes to show how important it is to pay attention to those pesky enchantments!

[@falconlord7811]

Love by the world gorger die by the world gorger. One of the most swingy combos ever. Either you win or you end up with absolutely nothing

[@j1nchuika]

I've been that Gitrog Monster player, sacrificing everything on a last try in order to save the game / win. Loving it haha

[@jgmclellan]

Great video! Really enjoyed Joeseph going deep to stop Worldgorger

[@SuperNerdoftheYear]

I always love how often your pods mirror the pods my playgroup uses :)

[@dylandemichiel9597]

This is the perfect pod, awesome commanders!

[@andrewajumper2]

Jordan needs to take a tip from Bill: you don’t have to put your commander in the command zone!

[@joelguerin-simard3415]

bill's play was super interesting! great game!

[@FelipeFang]

I just wanted to point out that the draw step first action is to draw a card, so the damage from the mana vault is made after a player draws a card (the same applies for declare attackers, if active player first action in the attackers step is to cast a spell or activate an ability it means that he/she didn't attack).

[@Clovislaying]

Last time I was this early Thassa Oracle wasn’t a problem

[@888ian2]

So less than 2 months ago?

[@armoric]

He just dug 18 cards deep with Necropotence and no hand size, what wincon he'd use didn't matter at that point, everyone else was pretty much topdecking.

[@orsettomorbido]

Really a great game! A ton of interaction and thus fun!

[@ThaddeusMike]

Am I missing something or was there a missed Remora trigger at about 9:00 when Bill casts Shenanigans?

[@warrenm72]

Awesome interaction and gameplay

[@TheHalf1]

Bill is a freaking psychopath. I like it.

[@blobloblobify]

Joseph to Bill "I'm not winning, but neither are you."

[@MooFishies]

Is there any way to get a link to the VODs? Maybe even a timestamp for the specific game? Sometimes I would really like to go watch the games after seeing part of the video.

[@joshuamoskowitz9119]

I didn't know about Spoils of the Vault. This is a really sweet budget version of Demonic Consultation/Tainted Pact!

[@dillpickle694]

That world gorger play was brutal... I wanna do it

[@spellingitout9202]

I feel like cEDH is often so many similiar cards in the 99 and just seeing what a different commander does with that same 99

[@thestrahd]

It is exactly that.

[@axatix]

Some core, just changing the flavor

[@hardcorepooka104]

I have a question, wouldn't the damage from Spoils of the Vault resolve and give Jordan enough infect counters to lose him the game? Unless he only had 17 cards left in his library?

[@yolofson]

No, Phyrexian Unlife only turns damage into infect, if you're at 0 or less life. Lets say, you bolt someone with PU in play and 1 life he/she would be at -2 life. On the other hand, Spoils of the Vault lets you lose life. Damage causes loss of life, but loss of life is not damage.

[@karadras-ccs]

how does unlife works, spoils of the vault doesnt count as damage for the poison counters?

[@Devilish420]

Ah so that's how Zur works. He definitely seems like a real fun commander.

[@KingYolos101]

Super competitive commander, not exactly too fun unfortunately.

[@drewjarrell2667]

Hi can you make the onscreen cards slightly bigger? Only slightly, they are a little small and I have to squint / turn up resolution to read the fine print on my small screen :)

[@GlichCentral]

Nate didn’t draw from remora off of shenanigans? He should have had 2 cards at the end of that turn, 1 from deluge and 1 from shenanigans. In terms of other stuff I thought was weird, gitrog swung ramunap excavator at zur instead of jace, and zur didn’t extort when countering kefnet’s play in that last turn cycle to kill Gitrog. Also, I don’t know the decks all that well so maybe this is wrong, but it seemed like Bill probably could have won without going for the risky Worldgorger dragon line.

[@NubRusty]

Yah, all he had to do was keep swinging with Kroxa, and he would just win.

[@HIWTYLSL]

Hot damn a playing with power crossover? Nice

[@borosman720]

This looks cool

[@Kazz1187]

Damn, Joseph, brutal. Much applause but that's brutal.

[@jcstaff1007]

Some say Jordan is still losing his Mana Crypt flip.

[@karibou77]

Why play kefnet T1 instead of Jace ? It would have been really more valuable from my point of view.

[@thecollectiblecollectabill2298]

i was like "oh man, he can turn 1 jace. then he played kefnet? come on!

[@MajuGen]

IMO Kefnet player was not very good. He put kefnet in to command zone each time it died. Like why?

[@mrsausage001]

A wild Worldgorger appears! It's super effective...

[@vanishingumbreon7615]

"Casts it for free and decides to extort it" Just gonna skim over when that decision was finally made

[@jewcce]

I recently built a zur the enchanter deck and havnt got to test it yet, this Will be interesting:)

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

i got zur myself. Barely play it cuz it's always kind of looking for the same shit. And it's not even optimized. Lost only once due to being mana screwed and starting with a risky hand XD. I play it more voltron style tho. Screw combo's :D

[@ElucidYT]

Yeah I've built/rebuilt 2 decks while quarantine has been going on but no one to test em with. Also upgraded my other two. I built Syr Konrad (super excited to try it out), rebuilt Sram, made MAJOR upgrades on my Kykar 25$ budget deck, and have been optimizing my korvold deck. Wanting to make it my high powered deck

[@jewcce]

@@afspeellijstnaruto yeah i built it as voltron aswell, seemed the more casual approach. But seems like it wont be very casual friendly😛 1-2 attacks and it gets near unremovable unless i get everyone working against me with instant spells.

[@afspeellijstnaruto]

@@jewcce That is true sir. XD Y zur = a target. Luckily in my playgroup there is one player with this 300 euro decks and we mostly play archenemy the first few rounds till we can take him out :p. He refuses to play on the same budgets as us sadly. My Zur deck is one of my few decks that can keep up with his p2w decks simply cuz it is hard to remove after 1 or 2 attacks indeed.

[@willhegner]

How did the stack work to make all Bill's permanents exile? Was it because the original exile trigger was still on the stack and so the return to battlefield trigger happened first?

[@caterinagerbasi1594]

pretty much. the Gorger is a very dangerous rakdos convo

[@TheMightyBattleSquid]

Am I the only one that feels like Nate should've used the rest in peace sooner?

[@thecollectiblecollectabill2298]

@19:05 bill did NOT cast dance of the dead, he casted Animate Dead(unless his dance of the dead had animate dead's artwork). you were wrong in word and middle picture

[@strahlungsopfer]

i really enjoyed the combo breaker against bill's group slug. nothing more satisfying

[@jp198]

They had a batman playmat on one of their episodes. does anyone know which one that is and where to buy it?

[@martynscott5192]

That was an awesome game.

[@charlesyun7803]

My Shimmer Zur deck is super proud

[@buccbucc4096]

can someone explain how spoils of war and phyrexian unlife works, wouldnt taking the 1 damage per card from spoils give him infect counters losing him the game?

[@PaulG0000]

Why did Bill not attack Jace with Dark Confidant when there were no blockers?

[@sheepyuea]

Game starts at 3:27

[@AngelCrea7er]

Does everyone always win with infinite combos?

[@chaelsonnen1]

New player here: what purpose does the ebony charm have in the gitrog deck?

[@ericwinsoncea774]

Damage to opponents when doing the gitrog loop.

[@koreyg8552]

Yeah player loses 1 life and you keep doing it over and over

[@mtgsus]

When you got the gitrog combo online, you can keep reshuffling your graveyard into your deck by discarding an Eldrazi titan (ulamog or kozilek) and then you can keep drawing your entire deck over and over, playing rituals and ebony charm to ping opponents until they die.

[@Taphosthewarlock]

Huh. 702.61a Suspend is a keyword that represents three abilities. The first is a static ability that functions while the card with suspend is in a player’s hand. The second and third are triggered abilities that function in the exile zone. “Suspend N-[cost]” means “If you could begin to cast this card by putting it onto the stack from your hand, you may pay [cost] and exile it with N time counters on it. This action doesn’t use the stack,” and “At the beginning of your upkeep, if this card is suspended, remove a time counter from it,” and “When the last time counter is removed from this card, if it’s exiled, play it without paying its mana cost if able. If you can’t, it remains exiled. If you cast a creature spell this way, it gains haste until you lose control of the spell or the permanent it becomes.” Today I learnt.

[@118bone]

I was rooting for kroxa so hard, and then the bamboozle happened

[@nicksternyr8728]

I was so happy when he was shut down lol control decks that keep peoples hands to 0 deserve those endings 😂

[@FloppyDisks233]

The deck list of nate isn't updated

[@LionsideDisciple]

I get the impression that these KZbin cEDH games are for the most part predetermined opening hands. There’s always mana crypts and sol rings and pieces of the wincon coupled with counters and other supporting spells. Is that true?

[@zedisilluminati9449]

Cracker Jack nope, just mulligans and chances

[@MekanikKommandoh88]

Aggressive mulligans are a thing in cEDH. Plus you're talking four players with a free mull each plus about an 8% chance for a Crypt among each player. And that's just for the opening hands and doesn't account for card draws.

[@andreaivaldi4912]

Probably they don't show each game they play, just the best ones

[@Rhan_tu]

You said the 31st but then I heard saturday, which is it? Sorry if I just missheard or something.

[@DanquezHD]

its both days saturday on playingwithpowers channel and sunday here

[@FrancisSalois]

Can someone explain to me the interaction between Zur having hate because of delay ?

[@TheHalf1]

Check how suspend works.

[@abehasinski2622]

19:05 that looks like an animate dead altered art, not a dance of the dead.

[@Squee_666_9]

Oof.. That's why you protect the worldgorger dragon combo.

[@MrAustinG.I.]

Salutes for Bill :(

[@joshuaduck4139]

I want a good Jund Gitrog based Commander Deck, but there's no good Jund commander option for that combo.

[@stefanodegemmis2518]

I didn't get why the effects of the world dragon run so that his permanents would not come back

[@NMS127]

The leaves-the-battlefield trigger resolves before the enters-the-battlefield trigger. So there's nothing to return, then the Worldgorger is already gone when it exiles everything.

[@thebigbadpinkman]

Tying to stay in the game as long as you can isn't king making.

[@koreyg8552]

Why did bill Lose all his permanents when it says when the dragon leaves the battlefield return permanents ?

[@caterinagerbasi1594]

its two diferent triggers. when it enters you exile everything. but if you remove the dragon before that trigger is resolved you resolve the "return permanents" clause first and THEN the first trigger activates.

[@TheTeraqin78]

I would like to see someone piloting Daretti (stax/combo) deck :)

[@brendylove4285]

8:46 couldn’t Jordan have won at this point if he resolved the extra turn spell?

[@dangomba7880]

With Jace on the field, Kefnet should have been put 3rd from the top of the library instead of the command zone, TWICE.

[@trveheimer6360]

thats why you dont play worldgorger anymore. im pretty sure dockside loops or breach / LED lines are working for all decks using worldgorger

[@grinreaperoftrolls7528]

I was just wondering if kefnet was competitive. I see it now

[@dataghost2307]

It's about time Zur wins. 😒

[@monkeybench]

Poor Bill...feelsbadman

[@lilkyafroninja4671]

Sooo I want Jordans playmat

[@Timeijpe]

Don't get the T1 play from Nate? Onelander? He could have fetched playing a tapped Hallowed Fountain and I his upkeep Tutored for the Fish? Saves 2 damage?

[@adrienboulet8195]

That perfect Kefnet hand haha

[@nicksternyr8728]

These games remind me why I play edh and not cedh. I hate the concept of milling my own deck, drawing my whole deck, and these infinite combos. The point of commander is to use all the 100 cards to have fun. This was like playing modern standard and it's why I quit magic when I was younger 😅

[@henriksinjen8659]

He untaps, draws and then taps his mana to cast...

[@s.d.3236]

a "casual" 4 mana commander on turn 1

[@edwardphillips7066]

You guys Bill should hit nate. And Joseph you should be hitting Jordan

[@dendecko2246]

Chrome mox should have entered tapped.

[@dendecko2246]

Worth mentioning since it was part of your explanation at the end.

[@acousticanalyst5147]

Haha I'm **EaRlY**

[@jacobbecicka2291]

Bill doesn't have to reveal what he got with Mausoleum Secrets.

[@MostafaWatji]

I believe he does because it is part of the spell.

[@salsathe4th]

the card literally says "reveal it"

[@dylancruz2430]

That was a foolish play no matter how much you try to defend it. You’re play was essentially giving Nate the game. That was just king 👑 maker

[@xChikyx]

pretty sure that was an animate dead

[@Ragmesesis]

I notice something about Jordan i dont Understand his plays, not just this game rielle for 2 Times i dont Understand his plays. He could do jace Turn 1 🤦 to get card advantage to have maybe a counter and played his commander instead....

[@zedisilluminati9449]

Ragmesesis jace is a wincon for his deck, so he doesn’t want to risk it dying as he has literally no recursion for planeswalkers

[@TheScionOfHRH]

Thassa's Oracle is borrrinn ggggg

[@FunnyPrankLaughs]

How do you forget an effect like Blind obedience for that long? Like come on.

[@DivineXistence22]

Great game but ugh....another thassa's oracle win.... >_

[@WHITEKNIGHT95]

Man i feel like all of my decks i considered good are sooooo horrible if these decks are 8s and 9s... Welp poor players will just sit over here...

[@Closer2Zero]

BOOO thasa's oracle BOOO

[@benchen2227]

Worldgorger suicide combo is horrible. It is not worth to take the risk.

[@caterinagerbasi1594]

its for the rakdos at heart

[@isaiahharris1637]

P

[@BrawndoTheThirstMutilator]

this is boring. half the cards in everyone's deck is the same.