CBR250RR MC22 vs R6 Battle - Hampton Downs

[@SportbikerNZ]

I can't speak highly enough of this bike. I've had it nearly 3 years and it performs wonderfully.

[@MrKkdkk]

Do you know about the new ninja zx25r?

[@SportbikerNZ]

@@MrKkdkk Yes. I would like to ride one someday.

[@MrKkdkk]

@@SportbikerNZ how do you think these 2 would compare? Ninjas use a timing chain instead of gears.

[@SportbikerNZ]

​@@MrKkdkk I prefer gear driven cams given how trouble free they've been on the MC22. When engineered properly they are set-and-forget, no need to open the motor for chain replacement. I can't compare except what I've seen on paper. Both have the same horsepower. The MC22 is much lighter at 158kg vs zx25r 180kg. Twin brake discs on MC22 vs single on the Ninja. ZX25r quickshifter would be nice to have, and the foot peg height is probably higher.

[@MrKkdkk]

@@SportbikerNZ yeah, the cam chain tensioner had a recall

[@EndTimeDreams]

I miss my old 4 cylinder CBR250 I used to rev it like this every day and it never broke down. Mine was the MC17 blue, white, red with twin discs and red wheels 1987 model, red line was 18,000 rpm. it did 90 kph (55 mph) in first gear and topped out at 180 kph (110mph) None of the new CBR's have the screaming character of the old bikes. Bring back 4 cylinder 250's!

[@richardendresz161]

With factory limiters removed it could do 200+ km/h

[@ashokkumar-zw8vi]

The latest CBR250RR is well made. The design is amazing. The technology and features is almost like big bikes. But the only problem it is 2 cylinders. Honda missed a big chance to dominate the world in 250cc with their screaming inline 4 which was in their older CBR250RR( the same bike model in the video). Even with 2 cylimders,they still beat the latest Ninja ZX25R eventhuough the ninja has 4 cylinders. Just imagine if they made the CBR with 4 cylinders,seriously,there will be no rival. I was dissapointed a bit but still bought it and now im happy. No complains whatsoever. Every single thing is very good but damn i miss that inline 4 screaming sound man. Its unbeatable. Im talking strictly about 250cc only. Please dont bring in bigger displacement bikes in this conversation because i didnt talk about them and it will not be fair for 250cc.

[@RX100_vlog]

​@@ashokkumar-zw8vi 2 cylinder cbr can't beat zx25r

[@akaANUNAKI]

straights for fast bikes, turns for fast bikers...

[@SportbikerNZ]

+akaANUNAKI I haven't heard that one before. I like it.

[@mociczyczki]

100% true

[@mociczyczki]

which tires do you have i see there wte conditio almost and you almost scraap the footpeg so what tires do you have ?

[@ridwanbagawie6092]

+akaANUNAKI couldn't agree more,,

[@KamalRawat1977]

Well said.

[@airplanedude419]

Riding like this in a light rain, man, you got balls.

[@Leefryyinc]

Yup specially mc22 they were abit front end happy.

[@sickgr33k]

this is a perfect example of how a small 250 bike can be better than the bigger cc bikes. All the old riders ive spoken to have insisted that a 250 will be able to keep up with bigger bikes in the twisties. This is a perfect example of that. good job mate

[@ripmax333]

4 cyl, 19000rpm before the red line! O_O!..damn these were good days.. and now you see only single cyl or twins

[@Peluche3035]

No, it's the CBR 250RR in the video. One-cylinder engine!

[@ripmax333]

No way!!!!!!!

[@Peluche3035]

ripmax333 it's a two-stroke engine saw the regime

[@SportbikerNZ]

Fred LD No, it's a 4 cylinder - 4 stroke engine.

[@kieranh2005]

Fred LD The 2 stroke 250's NSR/RGV/TZR redlined at 11000-12000rpm. The KR1 a little lower. I raced an NSR and an Aprilia RS (RGV engine). That little bike looks like a lot of fun, squealing along at those revs.

[@harindugamlath]

In my country, new single cylinder CBRs have no sales at all. People get into all sorts of trouble doing gray imports of old CBR250RR s. This clearly shows why. Great Vid. Many Thanks!!!

[@szlatmik]

WowW, really wow! Impressive riding also in the rain too. Take a look at the mileage! Over 50.000km at that RPM's. Unbelivable.

[@zilvia3115]

It might be​ old but It's spirit never been old

[@TeejtheDeej]

8:26 that warp drive kicked in haha

[@NZ2STROKE]

Love those old 250s i used to have the 1989 gsxr250rr and my mate had the 1992 cbr250rr and good times were had by all

[@SportbikerNZ]

Thanks. I'm using Michelin pilotpowers road sport (single compound). Found them to be excellent. Suspension was bone stock until recently. I'm 68 kg so it suits me quite well. However the front did start to bottom in a few spots under heavy braking so have increased the fork oil level just recently. I haven’t really had the opportunity to test the new setup fully though.

[@czaisersarikin2357]

Bloody good handling you got there mate! Am impressed. Cheers.

[@lockheed08]

I just watched the whole video... easily the most exciting thing I've done all week!

[@user-zz6vc6rj9n]

vote 250rr rider great than R6 rider

[@seriousarrr7840]

kosugi angel well. ive been on track for while ago. i got smoke because i just had my 1st 2 times on track

[@Haraamcore13]

Probably one of the best sounding bikes ever made.

[@thomask.8533]

Awesome video! I watch this over an F1 race any day! In the process of tidying up my MC22.

[@elleryracca9796]

nice video! don't think my mc22 will be seeing the track like that anytime soon, so i'll enjoy watching yours!

[@6Twisted]

A 250 keeping up with a 600... They need to bring back these small capacity four cylinders.

[@bimbian2508]

About to get mine back on the road again! This video defs got me more excited for it!! 💯🙌🏽

[@alextupou4992]

Loved this ! that CBR250RR revs like a mofo! respect to the rider too, nice work. it takes top skill to compensate for smaller cc and still manage to cane the bigger bikes !

[@TheSpyChecker]

do realize it's much easier to corner on a small and nimble bike, right? Not only much easier, but SO MUCH EASIER. a 250 could beat any 600 on a very twisty mountain road. Not just could, but SHOULD, with any semi competitive rider....

[@uncleputes]

TheSpyChecker Although if you over brake for corners, it's harder to regain speed unlike riding a more powerful bike, I wouldn't say it's easy, I'd say it's different, although it's a light bike, it's unsprung weight isn't to good add lack of power and that's a bad combination....My RR is basically stock and I find myself going up against much bigger bikes often, I can only stay ahead in the technical sections but when the road straightens up they just reel me in like I was stood still.

[@TheSpyChecker]

Oh no doubt. The twistier the road is, the easier it will be to go quicker on a 250. But get a skilled rider on a 600 and you'll stand no chance. I won't even mention straights, as obviously more torque = faster.

[@uncleputes]

TheSpyChecker That's why riding an underpowered bike makes you a better rider, you have no room for error hahaha....That being said, I will be getting a CBR1000RR when I'm on my full license hahaha

[@TheSpyChecker]

I don't really like literbikes. i feel much faster on a 600. Though i'd love to get an 848 evo as my next ride :c

[@CalebSullivan-d7t]

Every track day has the type of guy on the orange bike at the end!! They would make ya want to turn into a kamikaze pilot lol

[@spmoore3954]

I live in the U.S. and have been aware of the CBR400RR as a "not for you" model for many many years. I was completely unaware of the 250RR until just a few weeks ago. What a jewel. These are legal to import to U.S. now due to their age. ...how to talk the wife into 3rd machine...?

[@halvorson566]

Best way is AFTER you take delivery if you ask me ;)

[@KekasihMuGelap]

Amazing how dumbed down is CBR250R compared to this beast.

[@vito1065]

i have a cbr rr mc22 92 model so much fun I got one on my ls im on my full liscence now have the money to buy any big bike still riding the honda ...seriousely best riding ive seen well done mate

[@eno_anderson]

Wow Man, I Love This Bike. . . Great Riding !! :D

[@sianakdukun9914]

Sayang di indo gak ada :)

[@spamcan9208]

the little 250cc that could. dat sound, dem revs! you kept up well with the other bikes, and passed them. sweet vid

[@danielpope9522]

Just saw this video a few months after selling my mc22, making me remember the times i reved it out to redline, good times

[@trickymicky0007]

the sound and the revs are intoxicating,how japan manufactured such superb motorcycles and then everything became tame and dumbed sown

[@xanlord2k]

You've got balls of steel. And you're quick as hell too!

[@neighbourhoodmusician]

This is a kick arse video. Fantastic riding. A real case for mixed class circuit racing.

[@rwd323]

that's awesome, love how late you brake and how early you can get on the power. It's not like the guy on the R6 is mucking around either!

[@PontiRamanta]

Forget "the reason 1000cc guy hate 600cc", this is "the reason 600cc guy hate 250cc".

[@EnvyTheRealest]

4 cylinder Liquid cooled duel front disk brakes Clip-ons and redlined at 19k? They really don't make small displacement bikes the way they used to

[@Aspire198]

just bought one of these to learn to ride faster. That riding position and fat frame plus learning to work on an older bike. I'll probably end up celling my cbr500r once the 250 is up and working

[@MrBrentles]

Fwaaar what a rider! I'd love to see a turbo CBR250RR

[@abecaisley2293]

MrBrentles top speed wouldn't do much more. Only get there faster

[@abecaisley2293]

MrBrentles top speed wouldn't do much more. Only get there faster

[@kaibarlow6067]

Search turbo mc22 on KZbin now, there's a guy here in aus building one

[@tennnis498]

Wow, what a ride! The other bikes had more power but dude carried much more speed through the corners.

[@nikesoccer275]

Very cool bike, awesome rider. Great vid!

[@svistras]

woa, this sound.... AMAZING

[@AdamKyleAnderson]

Love it. You were getting on the gas pretty darn quick out of the one corner :-)

[@allajunaki]

Wow! She screams! You seems to brake much later, and carry a lot more entry speed into almost all the turns. Indicates a. Rider Skill, b. Confidence in the bike. Heard of the legendary 250RR's, seeing one in action is a joy!

[@jW-kr5xn]

Because the bike is easy to handle and he know his bike very well!

[@ThaRealCaine]

that lightweight...high rev end does make a difference againt the "big ones". Great video Cheers

[@EndTimeDreams]

Luckily they still sell these 4 cylinder 250's in New Zealand, I had one 20 years ago.

[@gerwheelz3154]

They still sell them new ?

[@EndTimeDreams]

@@gerwheelz3154 Not new. They are pretty reliable I bought a 1988 FZR250R for $2000. Running a bit rough. Got a Katana 250 4 cylinder as well for just under 3K.

[@Jin8091]

Sound amazing, cbr forever

[@hamu8486]

NSR250とCBR250RRは本当に完成されたレーサーレプリカだと思う。 他社と比べてもフレームから違うしきちんとセッティングした人がきちんと走ればこんなにも速く走れる。 CBRに関しては楽器って言われてるけどその殆どは直線番長みたいな人ばかり…

[@3storiesUp]

First bike I ever owned was an MC22 .. worst decision I EVER[R] made was to sell it .. I will regret it forever.

[@SportbikerNZ]

First bike I ever owned was my MC22. Bought at 30,000k's, now done over 120,000k's. Thrashed like crazy but still going.

[@3storiesUp]

@@SportbikerNZ They are truly awesome mate.

[@SportbikerNZ]

@@3storiesUp I misread your comment initially, thought you were saying buying it was worst decision ever, oops haha. Currently my mc22 is in the garage as a second bike. I can't bring myself to part with it. It's been so reliable and I have so much history with it.

[@3storiesUp]

@@SportbikerNZ don't ever sell it brother.. not if u can help it. Stay safe and enjoy it.

[@MichaelJobbo]

I love my baby blade, heaps of people give me shit for staying on a little bike. Good to see you stick it to the big boys

[@259559ful]

Hey mate, awesome video, really enjoyed it what tyres are you using on the babyblade? I have used Sport Demons on the track but they overheat after a couple of laps. Any suspension upgrades? the stock suspension is crap for bigger riders.

[@DersNoNem]

My ears are blessed(I'm using earphones) Is this bike still with you? How are the valve clearance? I'm thinking of getting ZX2R(because only that available in my country) but not quite sure yet

[@SportbikerNZ]

I still own this bike which has now done over 110,000k's and runs well. Valve clearances were checked at 50 and 100k. At both checks I was told the clearances were within tolerance, no need for adjustment.

[@Raelaslol]

Looks sick man, great riding as usual. That turn 3 & 4 combo eh? Haha. That orange cbr was doing some scary shit....!

[@dhurjatimishra1230]

That's a #Friggin #Awesome video dude....the little CBR250RR was screwing the R6 literally in most of the corners, R6 couldn't take it anymore n whenever the track opens up into a straight the R6 jus want get rid off the lil CBR....... HUGE #ResPect to both the #Rider and the #CeeBeeR, GREAT JOB!!!!!!!!!!

[@daivick]

Haahahah 2:38 . The other rider is like, What the hell is that ?

[@Bezimienny97]

Haha, or it's more like "Who the hell allowed the F1 car on a track with motorcycles? Oh, wait..."

[@JCF69700--]

Really nice breakings 👌!!!

[@rsarzhar]

Hello, Really nice video. I didn't realize this little bike can be so much fun! I am getting one myself as a first bike. They seem to be pretty rare now in Europe. Not sure if it is because no one wants to sell or they are getting too old. Can you recommend something to explicitly look for when buying it - like things that are well known to go bad after some years? Thanks!

[@sportbikernz6688]

Radoslav Stefanov They are great bikes. Nothing particular to look out for. The motors are very solid and no cam chain tensioning to worry about as they use gear driven cams. Check the oil level and go for a ride. If the footpeg and handgrip rubber is very worn it may have gone around the clock - over 100,000 k's.

[@SportbikerNZ]

Oem as far as I know. The only thing I know that's different is the exhaust is 4-2-1

[@쉐도우-n3l]

4기통 쥐어짜내는 그맛이일품이죠 소리 너무 좋아요

[@garyxiong6771]

The big right turn did You just drop 2gear? 5-4in straight line and then 4-3in apex?Sorry for my English

[@SportbikerNZ]

No, just drop 1 gear into into turn 6. 1:36

[@alexwhite1501]

what tyres are you using? i've also got a 1991 mc22 in the same colours as yours. ive looked to no avail but would you know if there are carbon fibre rims for them? awesome video the guy on the r6 must be mightily peeved that a 250 was keeping up to him

[@SportbikerNZ]

I was using Michelin pilot road sport at the time of this video. Those were discontinued so I'm now using s21 tires which are a step down in performance, but still pretty good. S22 tires have just been released so I may try them next. I haven't seen any carbon rims, but haven't looked much to be honest.

[@alexwhite1501]

@@SportbikerNZ thanks I'll try them out on my next change :-)

[@wuzihuzi]

This is just great! I'm looking at an mc19 near me, should I just look around for a mc22?

[@SportbikerNZ]

+Lochlan Hughes Apart from the engine, the mc22 is a complete redesign over the mc19. I'd definitely opt for the mc22 if you have the opportunity.

[@wuzihuzi]

+SportbikerNZ sweet thanks

[@wantahertzdonut]

What tires are you using? I just got my MC22 sorted and putting the finishing touches on it for fall 2021 here in the US. I've been riding a Tuono at the track for the last 5 years, now I'm trying a little bike. I have Q3+'s but I'm wondering if there's stickier options that fit.

[@SportbikerNZ]

I was using a now-discontinued tire called Michelin pilot power road sport, single compound. I'm unfamiliar with the Q3, but if it is equivalent (or better) than the Bridgestone s22, which I do recommend, then it will be fine.

[@hiccup6129]

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[@wantahertzdonut]

@@SportbikerNZ I missed your response till now (no notice from KZbin 👎) Dunlop Q4s are equivalent to the Bridgestone S22, the Q3 is more street than track but still sticky. I'll have to check if I can get S22s in the right size here in the US. I also have to get the bike going again first.

[@chain0slayer]

Nice vid mate. Your bikes a bit out of my price range but good luck with the sale!

[@robbierockin939]

great riding and vidd ,, jusy got an NSR 250-300 big bore kit hopin to beat my buddy f4 honda 600 '03 ,thoughts ....cheers

[@windingspirit5430]

Hey man how was your suspension and brakes during this race. I don't think I can keep up with 600s because my mc22 is quite old and brakes feel really squishy and suspension is completely shot ):

[@SportbikerNZ]

Both standard. Suspension is soft. Brakes are good.

[@marmoot]

Very nice riding. That R6 is not bad him/herself. What tyres did you use?

[@SportbikerNZ]

Using Michelin pilotpower road sport - single compound tire. Have found them excellent on the 250 and have been through a few sets to confirm it.

[@HEKTIC458]

Amazing riding skill! You were pretty much lying on the ground in the corners haha

[@mathiase.7096]

Great Performance, you deserve this bike, everyone can see what fun it is! I'd like 2 have one! That's the Sound we miss on f1.

[@chain0slayer]

Just assumed it was his own bike but re-reading he does actually just state that this is an example of what they can do =)

[@kornboy22]

hey mate. nice riding! just wondering what camera were you using and how did you mount it? cheers

[@SportbikerNZ]

Gopro HD hero mounted on a sticky base attached to top triple clamp.

[@EndTimeDreams]

Passed those Hyosung GT250R's like they were standing still.....

[@erick22121984]

consult you can give me the measurements of the tires you used on the track. why they are originally 110/70R17 front and 140/70R17

[@SportbikerNZ]

110/70 and 150/60

[@BrianEllicott]

What have you changed / modified? Suspension, jet sizes in carbs?

[@SportbikerNZ]

Everything stock as far as I know. Exhaust is 4-2-1 however.

[@jamescrawshaw71]

Awesome!! I want one badly!!

[@jimamizzi1]

Great video, is it a stock MC22, have you done anything to the suspension etc

[@SportbikerNZ]

Have since increased the fork oil level but otherwise stock as a rock - excluding the exhaust.

[@jimamizzi1]

Thanks mate. Im getting one soon just for track days at phillip island.

[@potyec]

I really love your riding style and nice video . Can I have 2 question : -Did you use stock size tires ? -Can you tell me pls what kinde of exhaust system you have and is any other modification on your bike ?> Thank you from Sydney

[@SportbikerNZ]

Front tire is stock. 150 wide on the rear. Exhaust is 4 into 2 into 1 which came with the bike when I bought it. The muffler is a non-branded unit off ebay. No bike mods.

[@KamionKing]

Why Honda doesn't have these in the States is beyond me.

[@grannman]

It's set to be a twin cylinder I think? If it was 4cyl I'd be very keen.

[@offensivekabuki8801]

always seek this vid for good eargasm

[@ifeeIcoke]

Mate I want to purchase one of these some day as a second bike to go with my bigger CBR650F. But I’ve never ridden without ABS and that’s a big concern for me, how does one go about this hahahaha 😅

[@SportbikerNZ]

Ignore ABS for track. Unless it's one of the latest, sophisticated systems on some flagship super bikes, it'll slow your lap times down bad. Brake hard. When rear wheel gets floaty you're doing it right (track riding) For street, very few people with ABS have ever braked hard enough to have it activate on the front wheel. I personally don't care about it, but can understand newbies being concerned. The basic ABS systems on many bikes kicks in far too early for my liking. My ninja 400's ABS kicked in dangerously early during hard braking over bumps, sending me wide. I couldn't stand it, so disabled it. I wouldn't recommend a newbie do that though.

[@MrDon43]

Ok who are you ? That was a awesome ride bru ,when can i have a go ?

[@redgeracer23]

wow nine vid..! is that OEM carb...? i have 2 mc22 and one is FCR28 and KENSO bakudan stage2 kit.. i really love the MC22...!

[@necbd8893]

mc22 was great 20K RPM 4 cilinder 0.25liter engine 44HP💪

[@RideOnboard1]

Very nice video. What camera did you use?

[@SportbikerNZ]

Gopro hd hero 1

[@RideOnboard1]

Thanks!

[@jeffmatas4060]

You ride hard man!! 🤘😎🤘

[@alella4945]

This bike was made for you spot on entry exit speed incredible bike you can ride

[@Frogswilly]

big boys shit scared in the corner, i think he needs to sell his R6 and get a nifty 50... Good riding mate! well done

[@FxRR88]

what tire you use ? nice vid, nice sound

[@SportbikerNZ]

Michelin pilot power road sport - single compound.

[@FxRR88]

vry nice,

[@halfordwyrmbane618]

I really love MC22...I DO! MC51 never can take place!

[@HalohoCh]

what the hell 20.000 RPM mine just 11.000 OMG

[@sabaisabai919]

U might have an mc19 mate

[@alexwhite1501]

@@sabaisabai919 its most likely a new cbr250? or it might not even be a cbr

[@ichabad]

@@sabaisabai919 mc19's rev just as high

[@waz00z]

is that an r6 you overtake?

[@stfuandsign144]

Is ur cbr 25o equally as fast as the new 25o's?

[@albertllaphan]

much faster

[@SportbikerNZ]

The new 250's have less power. Prior to 1994 learner license riders in Japan were forced to ride 250cc and lower bikes, thus bike manufactuers sunk big dollars into the bracket. Law changed 94-95 and there was no longer a market for tweaked out, over-engineering beauties like the CBR250RR.

[@BRA1NSP1LL3R1]

The water temp!! I have a cbr250rr for my first bike and the max iv seen the water temp get to was just over halfway, what's normal? 😂

[@SportbikerNZ]

Normally it sits around the "E" in 20 degree ambient. This vid would have been around summer with ambient 25 + thrashing, so it got up there a bit.

[@kutnaele3017]

Where can i get parts for my MC22?

[@SportbikerNZ]

CMSNL website, Ebay. Wrecked bikes being parted out.

[@AKI11113]

all time best!

[@Friki-mortis]

hi, what is the size of your rear tire thanks

[@SportbikerNZ]

150/60

[@frazzledolph]

Is the speedo in mph or kph?

hondas new ones are so slow the single cylinder cbr 250r :( in india dumb.... Cbr250rr way to go

[@FabianReyesBahamon]

+AâŠîm Sakharkar ; Yes is true, my CBR250R beside this machine is just almost a toy; and about pilot, sometimes i used to ask to myself, how is possible that pilots like this one don´t run in the professional categories!

[@charlyvandamme2502]

where this track, its mc 22 ? for sale :)

[@SportbikerNZ]

Auckland New Zealand. No, the mc22 is not for sale :D

[@johnsmithers284]

THIS IS ART

[@shanixyeyuh]

My goodness..these old bikes are really hard to handle (compared to the r3, ninja 300, ktm rc390, etc) but you handled it like it was nothing... Not sure about the cbr 250rr but when i corner my fzr i can feel both tires slip a little..it's ok though coz you can control it and doesnt do anything more dangerous (i think) but really hard to get used to.or i'm probably just a bad rider :(

[@19JACOPORSINI75]

Sir, you have a future in sbk.

[@phatrides222000]

intermediate?

[@gpromburgh]

Killing it!