CCM & Reebok Goalie Gloves: 580 vs 590 vs 600 Break Comparisons

A common question when looking at buying CCM and Reebok gloves is, "What are the differences between the breaks?" So I got ALL three Reebok and CCM glove angles and tried them out over the course of five months to show you the advantages and disadvantages of each, along with a little research of what goalies (and what KINDS of goalies) in the NHL are using them and why. If you have any questions feel free to comment and I'll be sure to answer them! Enjoy!
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[@HubertChauvat]

Still the best video on that subject. I've watched more recent ones where I couldn't understand the differences. Here it's just perfect. Thanks a lot!

[@t0myTTV]

Hubert, you have no idea how much I truly appreciate you taking the time to tell me that. I made these videos so long ago, back when I still loved being a goalie. Sometimes I still think about those times fondly, and hope one day I regain the spark. Your comment really helps me point in that direction. Who knows what the future holds? We'll see. But for now I'm just really appreciative of you. Good luck out there!

[@HubertChauvat]

​@@t0myTTV Thank you very much for your answer. I really meant it. It's great that people such as you are sharing this kind of knowledge. I played as a goalie when I was young (4-18), and back then, I had no idea what kind of gear I used. Most of the time, I'd just buy some used stuff from an older goalie. I joined a roller/inline hockey club last year (so 17 years later) and I 'inherited' some Passau goalie gear that belongs to the club. But I'm struggling a bit to get back on track as so much has changed in terms of gear, moves, and even positioning; without even speaking about the differences between ice and hard floor for sliding and stuff. Anyway, thanks for your video, which helps me understand (maybe?) why my puck catching might not be as good as it used to be.

[@remolapenna8055]

Great video. Much appreciated. Goalie Gloves are expensive and so this makes me feel confident as to which glove i should buy next . I always wore Vaughn and loved them. The last glove I purchased was a Reebok 590 and it feels awkward .. now i know that i must look to find a '600 Break 45 degree' glove.

[@stepankopilov]

Cool T-short and reviews! Hello from Siberia!

[@t0myTTV]

Thanks, Stepan!

[@canine221]

I just ordered a reebok xlt 580 last week. Only used it once so far but already it's my favorite glove I've ever used. The 580 break is absolutely perfect

[@t0myTTV]

That's awesome, Jordan! Glad it's working out for you!

[@coreyselover8460]

Great video. Succinct and informative. Thank you!

[@drbl1499]

I think that you have the best goalie channel. On KZbin

[@t0myTTV]

Awesome! Thanks a ton, Den!

[@pdi.salvo35]

I did not see any other comments on this or not, but it the name 580 break comes from the original Koho 580 series and the 590 comes from the original Koho 590 series. The name of the glove breaks come from those Koho series'. The 600 is just the stock CCM break.

[@t0myTTV]

***** Correct.

[@inralphlauren]

Ole smart ass Peter!

[@t0myTTV]

Definitely know what you mean, Dillon! Funny enough since I had used the 580 back in juniors and the start of college (so about 4-5 years), it felt very natural at first. But then again the glove back then was molded a little differently. I think many people who were pitchers in baseball will feel comfortable with the 580, as pitching gloves tend to work similarly to the 580 break. Forgot to include that, haha! I was never able to get used to using traditional glove positioning for stickhandling.. no idea what it was, but back then I used to do the Cujo method, which was horrendous. Once I worked on the Turco method in college (and switching to the 590 break) I got far, far better, but since then felt like it hasn't been a strong part of my game due to changing breaks to the 580 angle for my Revokes, P4s, and to begin my XLTs. Glad I'm back with the 590 now. :)

[@larceny3092]

thanks for the info just got the pads and gloves of that model

[@bruuu3280]

Hey Tomy, I remember watching this video when it came out way back in the day, still great informative content all these years later. I was browsing around ACHA rosters, as one does, and I was surprised to see a 40 year old playing for Wash U, and even more surprised when I thought I recognized the guy. Who would have thought the guy telling me the differences in glove breaks would actually be a PHD philosophy student, what a funny world. BTW what's the WJHL, I've never heard of it and can't find any record of it online, pretty solid numbers though. All the best, a kind stranger.

[@johnmeowzer8333]

Love the Jets colors on that trapper, lol.

[@johansson8960]

great vid! kinda knew that already, but this was pretty interesting!

[@t0myTTV]

Nicolai Johansson Haha, thanks for the kind words! There's limited info out there for even 580 vs 590, so I figured I'd update everyone by comparing it to the 600, too, along with looking at the NHLers who use those gloves and some of the nuances of them. Pretty interesting, really! Anyway, thanks for stopping by!

[@johansson8960]

i know, good idea :) bet you helped a bunch of younger goalies!

[@t0myTTV]

Nicolai Johansson I certainly hope so!

[@dillondannettell5617]

That is interesting because the glove I'm using is a 580 but I think that it has the most natural feel (IMO) I see where you can say it can hurt you stick handling game but I found using it glove under instead of glove over is not only comfortable but also effective

[@stanleythegamer8338]

Thanks!

[@carleevance254]

so i just watched this video and i tried seeing what break i have but i don't know. it was either the 590 or the 600. how else can you tell the difference between them?

[@jonnymorris7784]

That's really helpful man! Thanks as I was paranoid if I got the wrong break but 600 seems right explains why the p4 (590) drove me insane as I tried using it like my rx10

[@t0myTTV]

***** Makes sense! The RX10, in my opinion, is very similar to the 600. I think you'll find the 600 FAR more comfortable and will perform far better for you. Good luck!

[@jonnymorris7784]

Thanks sure hope it does look forward to getting it here a few weeks now

[@t0myTTV]

***** Awesome! Make sure to come over on GoalieCrease.Net and show off your new pads when you get them in!

[@jonnymorris7784]

Will do man ccm eflex pro customs white and blue can't beat team colours

[@t0myTTV]

Very nice! And that's exactly right.. drives me nuts right now playing on a red team with this nice navy/light blue/white set, haha! Will have to get a red set in the future. :)

[@asapfg7516]

Do you think it will be hard switching from a Vaughn lt90 glove to this? Im thinking about going with the 600 break

[@alejandrocastaneda3972]

I have a 75 degree glove and I play fingers up do you think that it would be fine or no?

[@jordanberschiminsky5608]

I just recently got a Reebok XLT Pro glove (590) and I was wondering if you had any tips for breaking it in.

[@t0myTTV]

+Kimberly Mor, because I can. :)

[@jonathaneeckhoudt4519]

thanks that was very helpfull

[@t0myTTV]

+Jonathan Eeckhoudt Awesome! Glad it helped! Good luck out there!

[@andrewburke4312]

Do you think it would be very difficult to switch from a Reebok P4 590 to a CCM Eflex2 600

[@09hockeygoalie]

Always love watching your videos. Great info. Currently I'm using a Reebok P4 Intermediate glove (I have small hands so hard to close the senior ones) & I love it. Im trying to find something very similar. Its just worn out and I get a stinger at least 2-3 times a game. It opens very wide & I play with my finger tips up. What would you recommend for maximum protection and good closure/open

[@t0myTTV]

Thanks, Johnathon! One thing you can do is order a pro glove with an intermediate palm. It'll still give you the protection you need, but the internals will be smaller. Look into that! Good luck!!

[@09hockeygoalie]

GoalieCreaseNet thank you!!!! I’ve been looking at the CCM premier gloves... then seem to be more like the Reebok P4 rather than the Eflex series of gloves. Am I wrong?

[@t0myTTV]

With exception of a few small differences, it's practically the same glove. Can't go wrong with either the Premier or EFlex.

[@t0myTTV]

+Jordan Berschiminsky, here you go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmmoqp-Hj9N9jck

[@stephanandersson9099]

Love your videos! Can u please look at Mike Condons catchglove? Is it a 590 or a 600? Padstracker says it is a 590, but i think it looks like a 600.

[@t0myTTV]

It's a 590. Had to look at a close-up pic, but I can tell by the direction and construction of the sewing in the palm. Definitely a 590, at least in the pic I was looking at.

[@drbl1499]

Have you ever got stingers with you're CCM Eflex 2? Or the CCM premier?

[@t0myTTV]

I finally got one stinger with my EFlex2s, but that was my fault; I caught it really weirdly.

[@briazi3340]

Just a quick question I have the 590 break on a reebok 18k glove, I was using an old CCM Heaton (Martin Brodeur), did the goalie catchers shrink in size over the years as the newer glove is smaller in the overall size or would this be due to the model/brand? Thanks heaps and great vid!

[@t0myTTV]

YES, they absolutely did! Back in the early 2000s the NHL game out with the new sizing guidelines that shrunk the gloves by quite a bit, as well as shrunk the width of the leg pads. I kind of like the gloves being slightly smaller since you can control your stick a little better, but obviously that comes with the loss of some glove size. Whatever works for you!

[@ChrisB10]

Hey Tommy how are the stingers on the XLT 590 pro palm? Tried one on in the store and the crease seems where it closes seems to be lacking. Great closure obviously but it feels too good off the shelf to be protective after some break down.....

[@t0myTTV]

Never had a single stinger off my XLTs and I used game ready, not even pro!

[@Wolfhawk40]

What break would a Koho 582 Jr. glove break have? And what should a puck-playing, Varlamov-style position, standup goalie like me use?

[@t0myTTV]

Wolfhawk40 I believe by stock the Kohos come as 590, but also has the possibility of 580 break. Varly uses the 600 style glove, but really you could go with either the 600 or 590 and you'll be perfectly fine. Good luck!

[@SuperMoose333]

where can i find what break my glove is? do they have it on the glove somewhere. I have a game ready retro flex glove and im looking to buy eflex 2's with the same break

[@t0myTTV]

Good question. Unfortunately what I think you'd have to do is compare it to pictures of the construction of each break, which is slightly different for each. Best bet might be to take a pic and put it up on www.goaliecrease.net and ask the community.

[@anthonylancellotti6802]

Big question, I'm interested in switching to Reebok but I've been a Vaughn user the past couple of years, I know you recommended the 600 break but i have a one piece V5 7990 and I'm fingers up. Would you suggest I try the 590 and just get used to the different feel of the Reebok glove?

[@t0myTTV]

Anthony Lancellotti That's a very fair question, and going from Vaughn to Reebok/CCM will be a HUGE switch but I truly think you're going to love it. What I would recommend is this: if you really liked your Vaughn glove, stick with the 600. But if you had any issues with the Vaughn glove and because you do play fingers up, go ahead and try the 590; I don't think you can go wrong either way, really, and you'll get used to it. Good luck!

[@themiguelodon7206]

A little late to the punch here, but I ordered a Supreme One90 Int glove online, and the angle of the thumb protector has been making my hand sore. Should I return it and maybe get a glove with a lesser angle? Knowing the angle of my glove would help too

[@t0myTTV]

+The Miguelodon Well, I doubt you'll be able to return it since you used it. But if it's hurting your thumb and you don't think it's something you can get used to or break-in the glove to fix, then I'd keep it and keep working on it.

[@atticuskelly2351]

i have a extreme flex glove and i didn't customize it at all. Is it more like a 590 or 600.

[@etmc65]

Thanks

[@t0myTTV]

etmc65 You're welcome!

[@markuspaukku4364]

Hi Tommy. I have a Ccm extreme flex pro glove. At first I had no problems catching the puck but now I have a hard time to catch the puck. I really enjoy the the feel of Reebok/Ccm gloves. At first I had my glove angled like Lundqvist. But now I use a fingers up position. Could you tell me what model is the best for me? Also i'm a pretty good stick handler. Any tips?

[@t0myTTV]

Markus Paukku If you're fingers up and a good stick handler, I'd go with the 590 break. I had the same issue as you with the EFlex Pro glove.. it felt great and at first everything was fine. But my stickhandling suffered a bit, and I started missing pucks and wasn't sure why. Since switching to the 590 it's been FANTASTIC.. both catching and puckhandling has improved immensely. Hope that helps, Markus!

[@markuspaukku4364]

Thanks Tommy helps alot!

[@johnmeowzer8333]

I like a long, lean mitt vs. a short stubby one. Just works better for me.

[@cflargofan]

What wolud you compare the Brian's glove you demoed at TG to out of these?

[@t0myTTV]

js_greene That was a 35 degree break, so very different than these gloves. Nonetheless it felt more like a 590 break, which is a 60 angle glove.

[@jarronthompson2686]

What would you suggest for me? I have a Vaughn glove right now but I'm also a fingers up goalie.

[@t0myTTV]

Jarron Thompson I'd go with the 600 then. The transition will be less, and there are a couple fingers up goalies in the NHL who wear the 600, such as Varlamov and Lehtonen. I think you'll be perfectly fine. :) Good luck!

[@ccm_goalie_3549]

Where did u customize the break in the glove on the xlt customizers

[@t0myTTV]

ccm_goalie_35 On Reebokhockey.com go to the XLT customizer, select the glove, and when you come up on the color selection page, up at the very top it says, "Specs." Click that and it'll show you all of the specification options such as break, palm, cuff, size, glove T, glove wrist, and palm size. Have fun!

[@kickass80000]

I have a Vaughn V5 7800 glove and my glove for my new set I'm getting is a CCM pro 600 break. Do you know what the big differences are if any? Would be appreciated :)

[@t0myTTV]

Unfortunately I don't, really, other than Vaughn and CCM are very different feel-wise. But for those who switch from Vaughn to CCM do tend to use the 600 break. Good luck!

[@awsompieface]

When you order all those gloves, did you choose a different foam on the palm area? Just wondering because it looks like they all have different foam.

[@t0myTTV]

Nope! All are "game ready."

[@awsompieface]

ok thanks

[@axeljohansson2307]

My old glove was a Reebok (590) now i have CCM eflex (600) i like the 600 break more!

[@t0myTTV]

Axel Johansson The CCM EFlex was my introduction to the 600, too, and I do really like it. I'd say while I prefer 590, 600 probably comes second and 580 comes in third, though I'll always have fond memories of my old 580 glove, haha!

[@transworldybor]

I have a Brian's g-netik pro 1 trapper and I'm looking to get a custom ccm trapper for Christmas,the g-netik pro 1 has a 35 degree angle and i want a break that feels similar to the 35 degree angle.what break do you suggest,the 590 or the 600?

[@t0myTTV]

Jr_bulls_30 The one closest to a 35 degree angle is definitely the 600, which comes in somewhere around 40-50 degrees, depending on who you ask. When I was trying the 35 degree Brian's SZ 6.0s, I was coming from the 600 and didn't have any problem making the switch there and back.

[@transworldybor]

Okay thanks!

[@Kyle1264x]

Im having a big trouble getting closure with my CCM 860, with the 600 break, any tips on closure?

[@t0myTTV]

+Kyle1264x I think someone else with an 860 was having some problems, too. The way I break in my gloves is to put hot water on the palm for one minute, then run the hot water down the cuff for another minute. Put your hand in, close it, then, keeping it closed, take your hand out and wrap it in a towel. Put it under a couch or some weights for 24 hours. Then, after the 24 hours of it being closed, take it out of the towel, open it up all the way and lay it on the ground flat and put it back under the couch or some weights for another 12 hours. Then it should both open all the way and close perfectly. Hope that helps!

[@drbl1499]

I'm gonna get Eflex 2 and use fingers up with the 600 degree 😀

[@t0myTTV]

Very nice!!

[@geoffishappy]

Hey, I messaged you the other day about passau pads. Saw your video using the set. Wondering if you have a video like this detailing them?

[@t0myTTV]

+Geoff Hamilton Oh, sorry! I can't seem to find that message. As for the Passau set, it wasn't meant to be reviewed; it was a test set I was giving some feedback to them about. Hoping to get a Passau set in the future, though!

[@geoffishappy]

Looking forward to when you do. There's not enough reviews on them out there, and I want to know more about them. They are some amazing looking pads.

[@t0myTTV]

Absolutely.. best chesty I've ever worn, and I've heard some great things about their new glove.

[@Truckinitup26]

What break in method do you use? Or could you do a video on that?

[@t0myTTV]

Truckinitup26 Here you go! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmmoqp-Hj9N9jck

[@theproffesor4145]

Can u make a stick handling tutorial video, i love to stick handle and i'm okay at it, but i want to be very good.thx

[@t0myTTV]

+TheProffesor41 That's a great idea.. I'll put it on my list! Thanks for the suggestion!

[@theproffesor4145]

+GoalieCreaseNet thx... I could use some tips from u since ur good at stick handling 😄

[@t0myTTV]

:) Well thank you!

[@balizsbrunya]

Hi Man! I used the Vaughn this season but that was a worstest glove what i ever use! Next season going to be a ccm premier and i looking for a best break! Love the work with my stick many times, but im really bad with controll the puck with stick when i have a low shot, thats why i catch up many times and from this video the 580 glove looks really cool but im not sure how works when i hold my stick and handling the puck or give a pass! What you think?

[@t0myTTV]

+Bence Bálizs Hey, Bence! Normally I don't recommend the 580 break if you're looking to get better at handling the puck, but I'd say the best guy to look at for tips on how to handle the puck with a 580 break is Mike Smith. Check out some of the highlight videos here on him handling the puck, and you'll see it takes a special way to hold the stick and the way he can pivot on his feet. Give that a whirl, work at it, and you'll be fine! Good luck, Bence!

[@t0myTTV]

Japanese, I'd say if you're going to switch from Vaughn to Reebok, you'll want to go with the 600, which is what Price did. Good luck!

[@Truckinitup26]

Hey Quick question, which pads do you think are lighter, eflex 2's or xlts? And since the Xlts are butterfly pads do the they slide better than the eflex 2's?

[@t0myTTV]

Weight wise I think my EFlex2s are lighter, but the Premiers are balanced differently so that the weight is concentrated in the middle of the leg channel. As for sliding, though, I really feel like both are the same.. pretty much no difference. Hope that helps, Truck!

[@Truckinitup26]

+GoalieCreaseNet Well it does but it doesn't, because I'm a really indecisive person, I take for ever to make decision and have a real hard time picking between two things, especially goalie pads! but thanks!

[@t0myTTV]

You're welcome!

[@soda4940]

I’m switching to lefevre and I was a Vaughn goalie my whole life and I’m really good at puck handling but I need to improve my catching area, is the 580 really really hard to play the puck or is it just a little more challenging?

[@SportsRewind-wt4pw]

If you had the choice between the eflex glove or the xlts which would you chose?

[@t0myTTV]

SportsRewind2014 They're so similar there really isn't much of a difference, so I guess I would just go with the XLTs since they put the quick release strap back on, even though I don't use it, ha!

[@TheBBHAWKS]

Do you know what break the Vaughn epic 8800 glove is?

[@t0myTTV]

Nope, sorry!

[@stephenbonora2419]

tommy what glove would you say is the best to use as a "blocking glove" aka which one gets the most surface area coverage. I have a totalone glove and love how it has a huge surface area for coverage

[@t0myTTV]

Personally, I feel the 590 has the most surface area coverage. The TotalOne does have very good coverage, too, especially if you really work on opening it up like Lundy does.

[@stephenbonora2419]

GoalieCreaseNet i was just curious because the 600 degree has a super wide surface compared to the 590 surface area when i compared the two. thank you sir

[@t0myTTV]

You're very welcome!

[@hellkerbecs88]

hey man I was wondering if you could try the warrior ritual G2 set and review and or demo them or even your thoughts about them.

[@t0myTTV]

Saucy Dawsy I'll see if I can arrange it! Stay tuned, hopefully!

[@hellkerbecs88]

alright thanks man

[@mikeyseney6570]

Another notable puckhandling goalie who uses the 580 break is Braden Holtby

[@t0myTTV]

True!

[@BauerGoalie35]

Do you have any experience with the Brian's G-netik glove? I am looking to switch from that glove to a CCM glove with a 600 break and you mentioned that it is almost a 40-45 degree break. Do you think that it would be an easy switch for someone like me who absolutely loved the G-Netik's 35 degree break? Thanks!

[@t0myTTV]

***** Oddly, Reebok/CCM now says the Price glove is like a 75 degree glove.. to be honest, I don't even really understand it fully, as it didn't feel like it was between the 60 and 90 degree breaks, but rather it feels like it's a 40-45 degree break as I mentioned. So I'm a bit confused, myself, about the actual degrees, but my comparisons and comments still stand. Now, as far as the G-Netik, I did try my buddy's G-Netik set and I really felt like the glove was extremely similar to my 590. In the sense of the updated degrees, that makes sense since the G-Netik is 35 degrees and the closest Reebok/CCM is apparently the 590/60 degree break. I caught just fine with the G-Netik coming from the 590, so I don't think it would be too big of a switch for you. Hope that helps!

[@BauerGoalie35]

GoalieCreaseNet I actually tried the 600 in a store today and it does feel eerily similar to the 35 degree break of the G-netik, although the worker did confirm that reebok has it as a 75 degree break. Thanks for the help!

[@t0myTTV]

Isn't that weird? Haha! You're very welcome!

[@Whiteknight0721]

***** i came from a Gnetik 35 to a 600 or 75 break CCM eflex 2 and trying to adjust it's like my puck magnet is gone:(

[@t0myTTV]

Haha, that's your muscle memory being built for one angle. It'll come as you work on it! If you can, get some practice time or stick and puck time where you and a shooter can spend literally 15-30 minutes just on glove shots. You'll get it soon enough!

[@DirtyDan77]

as someone who uses their glove as basically a second blocker, like the king, and Hiller, would you say that the 60 degree break would be best? I use a stock Vaughn now, would getting that 60 degree angle open up the glove any wider? I also feel like the thumb is too big and I can't seem to find a comfortable angle to keep the face of the glove, square to the shooter. would a 60 degree help with that, at all?

[@t0myTTV]

Danny Bridges I really think the 60 degree would be good for you for a couple reasons. First and foremost is that the blocking surface is absolutely huge on the 60 degree break, which is why you see goalies like Rinne really get that glove wide open. Another benefit is the upward angle of the entire face of the glove, which makes it much more comfortable to keep square to the shooter. I find other gloves can be downright numbing to try to do the same thing, whereas the 60 degree Reebok naturally allows your hand to be positioned to do it comfortably. Hope that helps!

[@DirtyDan77]

exactly the advice I needed. now maybe someday I'll stop blaming the equipment, and start training harder.

[@t0myTTV]

Danny Bridges LOL Same here, man!

[@gianlucabaggetta5263]

I have bounced around from 590 to 600 and again to 590 and still have not fell in love with one over the other. Can you recommend which glove would be ideal for me between the eflex line and XLT's? I want to be able to play the puck and have traditional glove positioning. Also, I am usually in Pro padding but considering moving to practice padding. Will it hinder my catching at all once broken in?

[@t0myTTV]

Well, if you haven't fallen in love with one, that's not a bad thing. It could be worse.. you could hate them both, ha! For the combo you want to go for, I'd go with the 600. Now, if you go with practice padding, realize you're probably not going to get a good seal when you go to close the glove. I'd personally stick with either pro or, as I do, game ready, which is the thinnest but also allows you the most flexibility. Hope that helps!

[@gianlucabaggetta5263]

I was in a 600 ccm earlier and found that by the end of the season the T and inner palm was completely worn and slightly distorted. This is the reason why I went back to an XLT 590. The XLT somehow felt more sturdy and retained shape better but a bit too bulky. I'll probably give the Eflex 2 one more shot at a 600 break with pro padding and hope I finally truly adapt to it.

[@t0myTTV]

There is a new type of padding in the palm of both kinds of gloves. But the wear in your 600 is really odd.. I've never heard of such a thing. If you don't dry your stuff out after use, make sure you do.. I've never had any wear issues with any Reebok/CCM/Koho gloves.

[@hockeyman5072]

Nice I have 860 break

[@moi1196]

Hi! do you know what angle has Vaughn v7 xf?

[@t0myTTV]

I don't, sorry!

[@johngreene6985]

Hey, I have a question for you that's been on my mind for a while. I was always curious about what levels you played at what age? I know you played Jr.A or something here in Canada, but I've always wondered about your career path.

[@t0myTTV]

John Greene Absolutely, John.. I didn't start playing goalie full-time til I was about 13 or 14. At 15 I got picked up by pure chance by a local high school team. When I was 17 I moved to New Market, ON to play (after trying out for the Texas Tornado, who sent me to Boston, who then sent me to New Market). Decided up there that quite honestly I didn't have the work ethic to make hockey my career, and ended up going to college and playing club and inline hockey just for fun. Had a ton of success in inline hockey, and my club ice hockey team disbanded after my Freshman year. During college I also served as the EBG for the Missouri River Otters, but never did get in any games. After college I took a couple years off to rekindle the flame, and now I play advanced men's leagues and dabble at the occasional pro tryout even though I'm far too old, ha! It was certainly unusual, but I'm having fun now, and that's all that matters.

[@cflargofan]

GoalieCreaseNet Damn, you went everywhere. That's a pretty neat story. Also, great Total Goalie reviews. Nice save at the end of the glove vid.

[@t0myTTV]

js_greene Thanks! It was set up and took a good 5 or so tries, but it did look pretty cool, haha. Check out the G-Netik 2 video where Mike Bruins makes an awesome two pad stack and catches the rebound.. completely unscripted, even!

[@kd-pt1zy]

I'm getting the 600 glove this weekend. I was using a 590 in the revoke PZ. I have also used bauer rx10 and vaughn 7700 glove. If you any pointers about going to a 600 break in the ccm let me know thanks again.

[@t0myTTV]

I loved the 600 break.. it's fantastic. Very natural feel. I don't think you'll have much problem going from the 590 Revoke, especially if you have experience with Vaughn. I wouldn't worry too much about it.. just make sure you get a lot of time on the ice and really work it in and get used to building that new muscle memory. Good luck!

[@kd-pt1zy]

+GoalieCreaseNet thanks man

[@t0myTTV]

You're welcome, Kyle!

[@crazyguy2940]

What colours of blue are on your pads?

[@t0myTTV]

That's navy and light blue.

[@cflargofan]

So all stock Vaughn gloves are 45 degree breaks?

[@t0myTTV]

js_greene Great question! One Vaughn glove on Total Goalie's website has its angle at 45-50 degrees, which sounds about right. There may be other glove models with more aggressive angles, but typically Vaughns are more in that range.

[@PlaneButcher]

Which one of these gloves has a thumb to idex finger closure

[@t0myTTV]

+PlaneButcher Well, the one that comes closest might be the 580 closure. Check out the closures in the video and you'll see how it comes probably the closest, at least when I'm imagining it.

[@TheBurtonEus]

What is the difference between the 590 regular T versus the 590 offset T? What the trade off/benefit?

[@t0myTTV]

The main benefit to offset is that you can see the puck when it's in your pocket. The main downside is it's horrendously ugly. :)

[@derrickvanhienen3508]

I gotta agree with you there, bought a set of CCM Premiers (B/C of your review btw) and the glove came with an off-set T. It does look garbage, will try going for the double next time, but still love it

[@nikosexton6346]

Im deciding between a 580 and a 590 glove, I had a 580 glove and I loved it but I couldn't shoot too well in it and u would really like to improve that and during the season my glove broke and I had a 590 glove that I used till the end of the season and I could shoot well and catch well in it too, but I couldn't cover the puck and no matter what I did it would always slide out because there was a gap, I'm pretty sure it was just something wrong with the glove cause it was used and I could with the 580, what do you think I should get?

[@t0myTTV]

Niko Sexton Get the 590. I had the same issue with covering the puck, and Reebok/CCM has now fixed that issue. It was particularly prevalent in the P4s, which drove me NUTS. It's fixed much more in the XLTs and the E Flex 2s. Definitely go 590!

[@nikosexton6346]

Ok thanks! It wasn't a XLT glove either so it was a little older and used

[@t0myTTV]

Makes sense. I'd almost bet it was a P4. My P3s didn't have that problem, nor did my P1s. My P4s and I didn't get along specifically because of that dang lip on the thump that lifted up the T every time I went to cover the puck, lol. Drove me nuts.

[@drbl1499]

I believe that the 600 is actually a 75 degree angle

[@pyryhillosalo]

It's not as you can see

[@Reagles8]

Tommy, I know this is a random comment years later, but I’ve been using a tps xlite goalie glove from 2004. My buddy just gave me a ccm 600 break that I cannot for the life of me get used it. It’s very stiff and 2 years old and won’t break in all the way. There’s a little bump in the palm,which pretty much makes it not close all the way. I have to sell it. My question is do you have any idea what type of break the almost 20 year old TPS xlite might be? I want my next glove to close like the tps because I like it so much. Im guessing it’s not a 600 because it feels very different from the 600 ccm I had. So that leaves either 580 or 590. Any ideas? I did try on a Bauer Mach which I think is a 590 at goalie monkey and didn’t mind it. But want a glove closest to my TPS. Thanks!

[@t0myTTV]

Interesting question! Honestly, I only barely remember the XLite series.. and so I could be misremembering what it felt like. Personally, I remember it feeling very much like a Vaughn in its 'feel' but not necessarily in its closure. It had more of a "pancake" feel like the Vaughns do, but I don't remember a ton about the break itself. I would very much doubt it was a 580 since that was very unique to CCM at the time (and still is) and the 590 might be closer, but I don't think that's quite right, either. If you're insistent on CCM/True, I would try the 590. It's a great all-around break. If you want the same feel and closure as your old TPS, I'd look at the Vaughn line, but honestly I can't give you a very good recommendation as I've *never* used Vaughn, and I haven't even played goalie in... maybe two years now? So I haven't kept up with the gear at all. Sorry I can't be more helpful but hopefully that helped somehow! Good luck!

[@Reagles8]

Thanks for your help! Didn't realize you had stopped playing. Not sold on ccm at all. the 600 Eflex I have I can't stand. I tried a couple of Bauers on at goalie Monkey I thought the Bauer Mach felt ok. Think it's a 600, but the kid there thought it was a 590. @@t0myTTV

[@Reagles8]

@@t0myTTV Also, the reason I thought my TPS was closer to a 580 was because I heard the 580 was made for Patrick Roy. My glove being so old (2004) I thought it would be a 580.. Honestly no idea though.

[@venezuelaavi]

How did you break in the 590 so well

[@t0myTTV]

I can't even remember if I did have to break it in... but if I did, I did the method I outline here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmmoqp-Hj9N9jck

[@FongGoalie]

What break would a Brian's Subzero gen 1 be like?

[@t0myTTV]

I'm not certain, but I do know the SZ2s are 35 degree break, which is most similar to the 600 Reebok (but just barely).

[@jeremyslawncare7039]

Hey man where did you get your equipment cubby

[@t0myTTV]

+Jeremys Lawncare prolocker.ca/ They're awesome!

[@oliverhannula6992]

I am a junior goalie just looking for a new glove and i like to play the puck and also i like to be a great catcher and i would like a very stiff glove so it doesnt hurt and a flexable glove

[@t0myTTV]

Oliver Hannula Well, there's a lot of wants there that might not all happen, haha! If you like to play the puck and you want a good catching glove, I'd first recommend the 590. You can order it with the pro palm or even practice palm if you want a LOT of padding, and the practice palm will make it REALLY stiff, which is the opposite of flexible, so I'm not sure what you mean by wanting stiff but flexible. I always order game ready and have zero issues with stingers, but in your case I would recommend the pro to give you some stiffness while still remaining more flexible than the practice. Hope that helps!

[@oliverhannula6992]

Thanks

[@oliverhannula6992]

btw where do you buy all your gear?

[@t0myTTV]

Oliver Hannula Depends on which piece of gear it is. Sometimes the manufacturer, sometimes at my local Total Hockey.

[@oliverhannula6992]

K thanks

[@cflargofan]

Also, with each of the breaks, can you describe the actual motion (i.e. what finger the thumb touches.)?

[@t0myTTV]

js_greene Sure -- with the 580 the thumb goes inside the fingers; the 590 has the thumb and fingers come together, as does the 600 but it's in more of an "outward" way than the 590.

[@johngreene6985]

GoalieCreaseNet If you were to do the motion without the glove on for each break, what specific finger does your thumb touch? I'm looking into a new glove soon, so i need every piece of knowledge I can get. Sorry for being so repetitive.

[@johngreene6985]

GoalieCreaseNet If you were to do the motion without the glove on for each break, what specific finger does your thumb touch? I'm looking into a new glove soon, so i need every piece of knowledge I can get. Sorry for being so repetitive.

[@t0myTTV]

John Greene Well, I see what you're getting at but the closures don't really work that way. It's really hard to describe, but the 580 break closes so that the thumb of the glove closes within the outer potion of the other fingers/glove T. Without a glove on there still aren't any fingers really touching, but the fingers tend to curl around the pad on the palm of your hand more tightly and lower than the other breaks. The 590 and 600 breaks, as far as the hand closure goes, is very similar, and your fingers simply move up the thumb portion of your hand on to the thumb itself. While the angle between those is likely another 15-20 degrees (60 for the 590; 40-45 for the 600), it's not really a noticeable difference as far as your hand closure goes. I know it's a bit difficult to imagine, sorry!

[@johngreene6985]

GoalieCreaseNet No worries man, TIL about catchers. thanks!

[@drbl1499]

Should I go with the XLT pros or the CCM premier pros?

[@t0myTTV]

If you have the money, CCM Premier Pros.

[@drbl1499]

GoalieCreaseNet I have the money in the bank thanks tommy 🤑😜

[@RedSharksChannel]

As of right now I have a Reebok 18k Glove (590) and Blocker and i was wondering what you recommend because i like fingers up but not a big fan of the angle 590 and i like a lot more curved blocker than my current one what would you recommend for me?

[@RedSharksChannel]

I was maybe thinking of CCM, Brians, or Bauer but not sure.

[@t0myTTV]

RedShark Well, if you're fingers up you might also like Bauer gloves since there are a few Bauer users who are also fingers up goalies. The angle is very different than your Reebok 590, so you might enjoy it more. Now, for a curved blocker.. well, you might be out of luck. Blockers are relatively standard, but you might try the Vaughn Ventus or Vision blockers, both of which I believe have more pronounced angles at the tops. Hope that helps!

[@RedSharksChannel]

Thank you helps a lot and by any chance do you know what the Bauer gloves may be similar compared to CCM/Reebok

[@t0myTTV]

Good question! Honestly, I'm not very sure. The NXG line really isn't similar to the glove; maybe the Reactor, but I'm not sure.. I've never used it, myself! Sorry I can't be more help!

[@RedSharksChannel]

Thanks for everything i really just have one more question as of right now and that would be how do you get your skates sharpened and how often?

[@AzNightmare]

*What's the difference between 580, 590, 600 and 90, 75, 60 ? Are they different break scales?*

[@t0myTTV]

They're different angles at which the palm creases. So, if the bottom/thumb-side of the cuff is the 180 degree plane on which it sits, the break angle is the angle at which the palm line goes up and into the T.

[@AzNightmare]

*90, 75, 60 angles are self explanatory... What's 580, 590? 600? 600 degrees?*

[@t0myTTV]

The original model numbers (580 and 590) come from the old Koho models where those breaks were used. Prior to the 590 glove, all the 580s had the same angle. With the 590 you could, of course, get the new break, or what's called the 60. (Complicating it, of course, is the fact that there's a 90 is the 590 when it's actually a 60 degree break.. and the old 560 was a 90 degree break, ha!) As for 600? I think they just chose the next number up, even though the break is in the middle of the other two. Not great planning, but at that point you couldn't go with "585 break" because there was a 585 pad, as well. Hope that helps!

[@TEEHEEyoyoma]

Is the 600 break anything like a baseball glove?

[@t0myTTV]

+Jacob Nicholson Yeah, it is, though even baseball gloves have different angles. Pitchers' gloves have a higher angle than a catcher's mitt, for example. But I would say the 600 is the closest I've found to a baseball glove.

[@warhead717]

What break do you use?

[@t0myTTV]

Warren Hargreaves 590

[@TheCferg3]

Who else still watches his vids

[@t0myTTV]

I'm glad someone does. :)

[@robertnorthcutt1185]

Does Holtby use a 600 break?

[@t0myTTV]

Holtby uses the 580 break.

[@maverickblackmere1461]

I know this is very late but I use a bauer supreme pro return. it has a 580 break. but I also read that Holtby, Louongo, and a few others also use a 580 break. can you confirm this?

[@t0myTTV]

+Maverick Blackmere The Bauer Supreme isn't a true Reebok/CCM-style 580 break (unless it's just a Reebok/CCM 580 reskinned as a Bauer Supreme), but it is correct that Holtby and Luongo (and Enroth and Smith and Hiller and Crawford) use the 580 break.

[@maverickblackmere1461]

+GoalieCreaseNet ok thanks I was thinking of if I ever made the switch from my bauer to something like a CCM if it was smart to get the 580 break as well

[@t0myTTV]

More NHLers use the 590 and I will say my Bauer NXG glove was more like my 590 in feel, but I'm not so sure about the break on the Bauer Supreme. Hope that helped in some way! Good luck!

[@maverickblackmere1461]

+GoalieCreaseNet yes it did lol Thanks for the help. it was a pro return from Anders Nielsen so I think the guy told me it was custom made to feel as close to a reebok as it could get. thanks for the help

[@t0myTTV]

That's awesome and make a ton of sense. Enjoy!

[@katcaller8855]

Is the break angle really that important if the glove is well broken in and easy to close?

[@t0myTTV]

+Kat Caller Extremely important. Ultimately how you catch the puck and know where the pocket is is up to your brain and muscle memory. Different breaks are generally better at some things than others, and that pocket moves around a bit to accommodate that.

[@katcaller8855]

+GoalieCreaseNet alright. So what would you suggest then, for my son? He has the Vaughn 7260 which is a 60 break. It's intermediate. We have been trying to break it in but it's still hard for him to close. But now I'm seeing it may be the break angle. Brian's has some 35 degree angles on gloves that weigh under 2lbs. Your thoughts? ☺️

[@t0myTTV]

Well, every glove SHOULD be able to "break in" despite whatever break it is. Now, I have used Brian's gloves and they do break in very, very well. If you want to stick with 60 degrees, check out a 590 break from Reebok/CCM.

[@PearConnoisseur]

What would a 75 degree be like. (I'm look at getting the warrior g2 glove)

[@t0myTTV]

A 75 would be halfway between the 580 (90) and 590 (60).

[@pearszn3367]

GoalieCreaseNet thanks

[@ustinffitch]

What would you say your personal preference is?

[@t0myTTV]

Austin Fitch I've used all three very extensively but I've recently gone back to the 590 and am sticking with it for my new CCM set, reason being that I'm a fingers up goalie so it feels natural while allowing for the best stickhandling. I thought the transition from 600 to 590 was going to be more difficult but it's been a very nicely surprising transition, as you can probably see from my most recent videos (very few popouts).

[@ustinffitch]

Cool, thanks

[@drbl1499]

I just tryd the 580 angle it's my second favorite I tryd the 600 I hated it I love the 590 angle

[@t0myTTV]

I too love the 590. 580 is a very polarizing angle, as some get thumb pain while others feel it's more natural. I can go with either the 590 or 600 easily; 580 takes a bit more practice for me to get the angle down.

[@drbl1499]

GoalieCreaseNet I actually play better with the 580 though

[@kjmjuly]

why do you buy all new custom gear every other week.

[@JRgamerrz]

How can I tell what the break is on my ccm extreme flex 500? I also just got new pads x28 reeboks and finally got goalie pants after playing with player pants; my question is how can I get used to the huge change from ccm pads that were 31" pads with player pants to 33" pads with somewhat large goalie pants? Any tips for improving my catching accuracy as I get a lot of shots to the Palm lately and it has cost me a few goals. I'm out with a concussion right now and just got my pads so I want to get right into improving my play with my new pads thanks and keep up he good work. I'm a high school goalie playing varsity for my first year so a lot of pressure is on me and really want to improve!

[@t0myTTV]

+Chaldian Hey, Chaldian! Best way to figure out the break is to compare its construction with the gloves shown in the video. You should be able to tell by the sew lines in the palm and how the T comes together. There's no doubt you're going to be going through a LOT of changes between those pads and pants, but that's a good thing! It will take time, but just getting used to rotating your hips and chest during butterfly recoveries will go a long way. Don't get discouraged if it feels like your movement is slowed for a while; that's true, but hopefully you make up for it in size, and over time you'll build new muscle to get quick again. As for your glove, it's all about muscle memory, so once you're all healed up, take some time out in practice and just work on WATCHING the puck as it enters your glove. Over and over and over! Build that muscle memory, and then you'll be good enough to where you won't have to watch it in every time (though you still should!). Good luck with the healing process! Hope you recover quickly and get back to varsity! Good luck!

[@JRgamerrz]

+GoalieCreaseNet thanks a lot man I've been pretty bummed as I have had nothing to do except sit on my phone which I shouldn't really do either but I'm clear to play tomorrow but I'm at my brothers hockey tournament so I won't get to use them when they are broken in until Wednesday maybe on Monday but it won't be broken in.

[@JRgamerrz]

+GoalieCreaseNet is there a better way to have a conversation with you as I think the long KZbin string might become a problem. Thanks I'm really wanting to improve and you always seem pretty open and like a good teacher. Keep up the great work!

[@t0myTTV]

Honestly, KZbin is best, as I check this every day or two. Email I sometimes won't check for a couple WEEKS, haha!

[@JRgamerrz]

+GoalieCreaseNet ok would you prefer dm's or just the comment string we are in lol?

[@drbl1499]

Tommy what angle does BOBROVSKIY wear recently because I think that he wears the 580 I don't know maybe do you know what angle BOBROVSKIY has?

[@t0myTTV]

Bob actually uses the 590 break.

[@drbl1499]

GoalieCreaseNet nope he used to I just found out that he uses 580 because I was watching his highlights and I got a clear shot of the closure of the glove

[@drbl1499]

Can you check one more time? Please

[@drbl1499]

Nah sorry my bad you're right

[@t0myTTV]

Yup, I am, lol.

[@jimclements2890]

I have a ccm Eflex trapper, I'm assuming this a 590 break?

[@t0myTTV]

Depends. I believe the EFlex came in the 600 break, as well.

[@jackhouck9143]

What break is the eflex 2 stock glove?

[@t0myTTV]

There really isn't a "stock" break; it's up to the retailer what they order, which typically is either the 590 or 600.

[@jackhouck9143]

I ordered mine from total goalie

[@t0myTTV]

Their stock is 600.

[@jackhouck9143]

Thanks

[@t0myTTV]

You're welcome!

[@hockeyman5072]

I am in ahl team

[@drbl1499]

Is that the XLT?

[@t0myTTV]

Yup!

[@Whiteknight0721]

hey Tomy, Megagoaltending has a great video on this as well

[@t0myTTV]

+michael levesque Cool

[@BlizzardHockey4432]

ok i think my larceny is a590

[@t0myTTV]

Atticus, if you didn't customize it, it's a 600.

[@johngreene6985]

Do you actually have Synesthesia?

[@t0myTTV]

Yup, at least three didn't forms. That's the first time someone's asked me about it, lol.

[@cflargofan]

GoalieCreaseNet Why did it take us so long to make the connection? My dad has grapheme.

[@t0myTTV]

Very nice! I have number form, spacial sequence, and chromesthesia. Some are more interesting than others, lol.

[@hockeyman5072]

Rockford icehogs

[@drbl1499]

I'm a traditional style goalie

[@fdny99]

Tommy I currently have a Bauer Reactor 4000 glove and I'm looking for a new one. Which of the Reebok breaks is comparable to that one? Have you tried the new Passau 60* glove..which one would that be comparable to? Thanks

[@t0myTTV]

Good question! I'm not certain which one would be close to the 4000.. if I remember correctly -- and I could be wrong -- the 4000 is more like a 40 degree break or somewhere in there, in which case the closest one for Reebok/CCM would be the 600 break. I haven't yet tried the Passau 60 degree break yet, but I know some who have and they're really, really liking it. For that one the 590 break is the most comparable. Hope that helps!