Major Derailment: Locomotive Derailed & 2 Cars plus1400 Feet Track Tore Up!

I will post the next video showing why this derailment happened along
with a second video to follow of the damage the locomotive sustained, so watch those 2 upcoming videos to get your questions answered as to why this happened and how the locomotive fared, will in that latter video also share how Hulcher re railed the locomotive.
Will also be posting pictures of various stages of the event in the Community Room
on my channel so keep checking back to that tab or subscribe and click turn notifications
on and you'll get updates automatically. Here's link to my channel
/ @ccrx6700
I spliced 4 videos together I took that evening so you didn't have to wait and watch all
4 separately. Will also post all the videos of this on a playlist on my channel ccrx 6700. There will be like 7 more videos coming up about all of what went on including some on them putting the track back together.
No one was hurt or injured, only the company's pocketbook...LOL The derailment happened
on Wednesday April 21 about 5 PM. On that Saturday afternoon about 1 PM I tamped this and they ran
a train over it by 2:30 on slow order. Everyone involved in getting the rolling stock
re railed and the track back in service did a phenomenal job! They worked around
the clock with very long hours for everyone.
This occurred on the Cumberland Mine Railroad near Kirby Pa. on curve18 at mile post 4 with the train headed EB with loads. I will also
post several more videos about them putting the track back together. We had about
1400 feet of track torn out along with almost 700 cross ties destroyed.
Memory is serving me better now than in the videos, it has been since 1993 when we've had
this kind of main line destruction. We had several derailments back before then where
6 or 7 cars have come off and rolled over loaded and several derailments caused by
bad bearings, but this is the worst track tear up we have ever had. Several
of the contractors who came in said this is some of the worst rail destruction they had
ever seen.
I will give you a clue before my next video on why the derailment happened. If you have watched Thomas the Tank Engine, then you know that all the derailments in that show were
caused by the silly cars because they were angry! LOL But if there is any doubt we will
call Sir Topham Hatt and he will get to the bottom of this.
Here is the link to watch my theory on what caused the derailment:
• Why the Derailment at ...
Thank you so much for watching. Track is back in service and train is running at track speed, and in case you are wondering, it's 25 MPH track speed, the operator on the derailment was running at 22 MPH when this happened. He had followed standard operating procedures
for this section of track. The end of train DPU was in throttle run 3 when
this happened, the lead loco operator was just getting ready to go to idle on that
end of train unit when the train went into emergency. This is only the second time in it's history that our #1 locomotive has ever been derailed and it's been running this track since
1977! The company is also looking into having some track panels on hand to use in'
case this kind of problem should occur in the future. Having track panels available
would have probably saved a whole day in the reconstruction.

[@northstar2007]

I asked a train engineer how many times his train had derailed. He said, “I’m not sure, it’s hard to keep track.”

[@Nurvington]

GOOD ONE!

[@channelsixtysix066]

I shouldn't laugh, but couldn't help it.

[@YeOldeGeezer]

Old joke! Hardly funny anymore

[@ccrx6700]

I really liked that one! LOL You make me laugh, thanks for viewing today's show

[@northstar2007]

@@ccrx6700 oh I watch them all. but I figured I'd give you a break on the last 3 :)

[@JawTooth]

Amazing how far in front of the locomotive that the rail rolled. Good thing the cars didn't pile up and spill everywhere.

[@ccrx6700]

Yep, cars kept it rollin, it is all been replaced now with good relay rail. Thanks for viewing today's show 👍

[@TsunauticusIV]

@@ccrx6700 how long did it take the crews to replace everything and get trains rolling again on that section?

[@comfortablynumb9342]

@@TsunauticusIV good question

[@ken9503]

Before I comment, this is just an opinion, I'm not a railroad man. The rails that "appear" to be in front of that single locomotive are actually behind it. The reason being is that it appears to me that it was a "pusher" locomotive at the rear of the train. Once the rear cars started derailing it came uncoupled and when the air line broke it set the brakes into "emergency". The fact that it was a single locomotive and on the ground, it stopped quicker then the rest of the train because the few last cars that were derailed were still being pulled by the rest of the train. Hence the distance between the two. Also that same situation kept a pile up from happening because the derailed cars were on the ground and being pulled, not pushed. Was very fortunate the the derailed cars and locomotive stayed in the center of the road bed and didn't roll over.

[@jimsbasslist]

@@ken9503 thanks for that clarification. I was wondering why they were so far apart. I was assuming (i know..) Excess speed but didn't think of it your way.

[@SmallMartingale]

Yeah that's a lot of damage, that must be an awfully intimidating thing to look at. Thanks for taking some time to make this great video for us, something we wouldn't get to see otherwise 👍

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome David, thanks for watching and stay tuned for more vids on the derailment events

[@curtyanok6878]

Dave, do I ever feel bad for you and the CCRX. We've seen how hard you worked to keep this line in tip-top shape then this happens. Keep us posted on how things are going.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks Curt, yep it was a difficult thing to see, I was in shock as you can imagine, keep watching more vids coming out about this

[@ronhelman3985]

Wow, that destroyed everything. Well no one got hurt and nothing is on its side that's 2 plusses. Thanks Dave for sharing!!!!

[@dank2265]

Wow what a mess I hope none of the track tamping and cribing you have been showing us was all for nothing It looks like the German rail zipper showed up Is speed a factor here

[@Sven_Okas1967]

Wow, at least the train is still standing. something has certainly given way under the train. the main thing is that there has only been sheet metal damage and no personal injury. To clean it up you need at least 48 hours. do you come there at least with cranes ran to the place??? As I see it, you can use the rails and the ties to be recycled. Good luck with the long shift. Greetings from Berlin/ Germany. Sven

[@ccrx6700]

Yep Sven coulda been lot worse, loco coukda been on its side spilling fuel. Appreciate your watching sir and stay tuned more to come 😊

[@Everyday_Railroading]

Hey brother, nice videos. I will say, the derailment didn't occur because the spikes started lifting up. Generally, 1 defect isn't going to cause a derailment but rather a combination of things will cause a derailment. Some things to consider: Were the ties really as good as you thought? I saw tie pieces all over and solid ties don't break off like that. There were rotten ties there. Also, just because a tie looks good, it doesn't mean it is. I've seen ties that look brand new be completely hollow inside. Was the gage good? Rail doesn't just roll like that, especially both rails. The gage spread because of wide gage or bad crossties and it was pushing out. Again, just because a tie might look good and appear to be solid, doesn't mean the spike holes aren't worn out especially in a curve. With worn out spike holes the gage will spread even though the rest of the tie is solid. What speed were they going? Is the speed correct for the degree of the curve? The unbalanced table in part 213 will help determine the maximum speed of a curve. Was there surface conditions? You tamped but did it hold in all places? The combination of gage, bad ties, push, surface conditions, speed all played a factor in this derailment. This is looking like track caused rather than train handling. Keep up the good video work. Thanks.

[@ferrumignis]

Have to admit that quite a few of those ties didn't look in great condition.

[@dock_yard1149]

Good on-scene report with honest reactions to the pervasive damage. What I really don’t get is a full grasp of which way is which, which way the train was moving, etc. I have long understood your loaded trains go downgrade to interchange. Your opening scene showed the 2 grounded cars at the end of a string - rest of the cars are on rails. Ok. You then pan the other way to the derailed loco about 100 yards away - so we’re led to think that view musta been down grade towards the lead unit. You then walk down to the unit, filming clearly starts at the end facing the 2 cars (briefly seen in distance - ie, supposedly upgrade?). You then walk around the loco showing the trucks skewed etc - especially 2 wheels bracketing each side of the rolled rail. Nasty! Now it gets odd. You walk about 50-60 yards away from the unit, NOT the end facing the cars, showing the point on slight curve where the track damage started. How did the derailed cars get 100 yards downhill from the derailed unit? The only explanation is that the unit you went to was at the EOT, - it had to be a trailer, it was not in the lead. So last 2 cars at the trailing end of string plus the trailing loco went off the rails,. And the lead unit with all other loads stayed on the tracks (downgrade) - but you didn’t film that end. When the last 2 cars and trailer unit went on the ground, - the air line separated when the trailing unit let go of the final car. The trailing unit ground to a halt much sooner than the rest of the train. Make sense? I think in your excitement & shock over the damage, you just forgot to orient us fully to the scene, which is understandable! Still love ya. I hope nobody makes fun of you for not expressing your enthusiasm for railroading today. We know you’ll bounce back as this cleanup progresses. Keep the cam on the cleanup action as much as you can. I would guess your RR’s investigators were not yet fully on scene to take photos, measurements, etc yet - hence that’s why the unit was still idling while on the ground (someone asked this elsewhere in comments). Nobody is probably allowed to touch or change any controls once the craziness stops and everybody is certified as ok. Do your locos have black box recorders? Will there likely be internal or FRA/STB hearings? Best of luck in the recovery of service.

[@noclass2gun342]

After working for hulcher services for a while I can tell you, there's never not a derailment being worked somewhere. Side note... this one isn't that bad. The one in Prattville Colorado was a doosy... 4 Locos and 24 5 packers

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@ No Class 2 gun hello how are you doing

[@chessiesystemrailfanman3741]

@@lydiaanderson4247 hello there Lydia, my name is Anthony and I like your thumbnail picture.

[@leslane4421]

Holy cow Dave, your right, what a mess! I guess that's railroading also.

[@HavelockYard]

On the ground, but everyone’s ok!

[@patriotrooster2480]

Holy crap that looks like 9 miles of sideways hell right there.

[@ke6gwf]

I have seen a lot of derailments in my life, some even in person lol, and a lot of track repairs afterwards, but after watching you put so much work into keeping this track perfect, and seeing how totally destroyed that is, I feel it in my gut. I imagine that they will basically have to just toss the track to the side, tear the ties out, and then cut it down and regrade to subgrade, and then new ties, put rail back on and then ballast? I hope you can get some sort of time lapse of it!

[@ccrx6700]

Yep Ben we tossed the whole north side track and rebuilt with good relay rail. Gonna have 8 more vids coming out about all of this so stay tuned my friend

[@WJack97224]

Good start on documenting this problem. I'm looking forward to more info and videos of the repair. Thank you Jaw Tooth or whoever. Good on ya mate. Glad the crew survived.

[@Enjoyer.762]

This isn't Jaw tooth's channel.

[@deconteesawyer5758]

"@@Enjoyer.762 This is polar opposite that ... umm "{person's" channel.

[@zulubravo5733]

Having worked as a forestry contractor for over 30 years there were weeks that if you could just make it to Friday night you knew Monday would be better. All the best Dave with your rerailing, we’re all there with you!

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you my friend, hope you will be watching the rest of the videos in this series, much appreciated

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@ Zulu Bravo we are all with you dave hello how are you doing

[@bearg4019]

I would like to see how all this gets repaired or replaced...

[@ccrx6700]

Stay tuned got lot more vids on all else that went on here. Hope you will enjoy those

[@pinnen59]

A couple of days?? I believe it will take a couple of weeks.

[@petezapadka]

OMG, Dave! I am shocked and terribly saddened to hear of this! But thank you for letting us know. My heart is with you and all the workers who will toil to get this right!

[@ccrx6700]

Everything good now Pete, lot of guys worked their rear ends off, This was right across from Fred Water's farm

[@petezapadka]

@@ccrx6700 Thanks Dave! I've been thinking of you folks constantly, hoping for the best!

[@donalfinn4205]

That’s a bit much isn’t it?

[@espeescotty]

Hey Dave, thanks for all of the information in the description. This sure was a heck of a mess! I'll be watching for sure to see the rerailing and rebuilding mission.

[@mikefochtman7164]

When you showed how the outer rail on the curve was rolled, my first thought was excessive speed. But your comment shows that NOT the case. Judging from what's left of the road bed and that equipment is still upright, seems pretty sure nothing wrong with the MOW crew's work. But I'm sure you still had a 'knot' in your stomach when you came upon this mess. Just thankful that no one got hurt.

[@ccrx6700]

Yep Mike, it broke my heart to see this happen, but that's railroadin and you gotta take the good with the bad I guess. Hope you'll watch my next video on why it happened. Thank you

[@jimbos3421]

Knowing how much pride you take in “your” track, this must be a real kick in the keyster! Was the derailed locomotive the pusher, that would explain the distance between it & the rest of the train. I feel for ya, brother!

[@adamfpv8294]

I was wondering that to🤔

[@chuckgilly]

I'm pretty sure that was the tail end of the train that derailed, the last 2 cars, and the pusher engine.

[@dock_yard1149]

I’m convinced that loco was on EOT. The lead unit and majority of cars stayed on track, he just didn’t film that end.

[@channelsixtysix066]

@@dock_yard1149 So something might have gone wrong with one of the cars, maybe the last one still coupled to the rest of the train.

[@shopshop144]

@@dock_yard1149 So the loco we saw wasn't the one doing all the damage? That makes sense since there was damage both behind and in front of it. I hope Dave is able to get some video of what caused all this, after he/they figure out what it was. I wonder how hard it will be to get equipment to the site; didn't look like there was much room.

[@22gonefishing]

You got a mess on your hands to fix, could have been worse. We had a 50 car train with 28 cars off the track and on their side in Albert Lea, MN, on May 15, what a mess that was, also 2 cars carrying hydrochloric acid leaked 40k into the ground, lucky no crew were hurt and no fire. Took about a week to get it cleaned up and the line back open.

[@ccrx6700]

Oh wow! Call out Cranemasters, Hulcher and Corman on that one. I'll try find it online thanks 👍

[@6777Productions]

Dang, what a round day, but as you said, luckily no one was hurt in this mess. Plus! They are lucky to have such a talented person to know how to fix it on up! Excited to see the rest of this "mini series"!

[@ccrx6700]

Hope you will enjoy them Sam. Took a lot of really good people who came in and worked their rear ends off to get this all back in service. Thanks for watching sir

[@channelsixtysix066]

No justice for Dave. I regularly watch another railway channel and the track featured in that one is in terrible condition... I mean, it is BAD ! The company won't spend a cent on its maintenance. Without naming names, they run blue colored locomotives. You might guess who the company is.

[@channelsixtysix066]

@@ccrx6700 I'm definitely interested in what caused this to happen, Dave.

[@ccrx6700]

@@channelsixtysix066 watch next vid out next week for my theory

[@poppopscarvinshop]

I grew up between Kennesaw and Acworth, GA. The Tracks (The Old L&N Line) were about 1000 yards behind my house. I was 8 to 12 years old. Around 1968 to 1972 there were no less than 4 Coal Trains derailed and smashed cars and spilled Coal EVERYWHERE!! One derailment happened when I was in our garden with a clear view to the tracks. I heard a horrible noise coming from the tracks and coal cars were falling off on their sides, running on top of each other, black coal dust was everywhere. It seems like it took forever for the thing to stop!!! The most amazing sound of screeching, crunching metal I've ever heard. I'm 62 now and I'll never forget those days... Amazing... BTW - that's the same line that The Great Locomotive Chase took place on during the Civil War. Kennesaw still has the old steam Locomotive "The General" in the Railway Museum in Kennesaw, GA.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for writing in and sharing that with us James, pretty cool story my friend.

[@ronaldpiper4812]

This is were you see the bunch of simi trucks of pipe layers and a bunch or lights and so on. Hearing how they walk loads back up sounds impressive. Thank you

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Ronald, glad you enjoyed the show sir

[@bassman109]

That is an incredible amount of damage!

[@ccrx6700]

My track, my track, my once beautiful track.... put a tear in my eye Owen, Thanks for watching sir

[@alandaters8547]

@@ccrx6700It surely put a tear in the eyes of most of your fans....me included.

[@northstar2007]

could speed be a factor? a little too hot in that corner and bessie just starts pushing out that outer rail and boom, you got the issue...

[@paintballthieupwns]

My thought when I saw it

[@robertinscoe2379]

Dave had said that engine speed was just 22mph with a limit of 25mph

[@northstar2007]

@@robertinscoe2379 indicated vs actual can differ... takes a heck of a lot of force to roll the rail like that and the road bed is maintained well, be interesting to see how this one plays out

[@robertinscoe2379]

@@northstar2007 yes sir. I still think one of the loaded cars had a bad truck and rolled the rail under it.

[@larmo5633]

I think a lot of us are thinking speed being a factor, but that's the usual suspect at first I'm sure. With that being said lets let things play out and see what follows..I suppose a bad wheel/truck assembly, or possibly an over loaded car could cause a issue as well. Very curious on the outcome of this. No one was hurt, everything else can be fixed.

[@kens.3729]

Amazing only one (1) Unit and only two (2) cars Derailed. This will teach you not to answer phone.

[@arcapelico]

OK boss this is where the rubber meets the road. The bigger the mess the calmer you get. I've been watching you for a while and you got this. This is railroading. You are the man to handle this.

[@ccrx6700]

I will remember that sir, the bigger the mess the calmer to get! great words of advice

[@wishusknight3009]

Sir Topham Hatt was very cross that day.....

[@ccrx6700]

glad he didn't show up here ....LOL thanks for watching

[@irongoatrocky2343]

Excessive Speed is my guess as to what happened to start this mess!.......luckily no one got hurt!. well maybe their pride!

[@jasonking2943]

I dont think so, had it been excessive speed you would see things on its side and the track would have been pulled apart thrown everywhere. But what do I know! I think a wheel set wanted to go straight and the track said no and the wheel set said screw you!

[@gotchagoing8843]

You didn't read everything Dave wrote. "Thank you so much for watching. Track is back in service and train is running at track speed, and in case you are wondering, it's 25 MPH track speed, the operator on the derailment was running at 22 MPH when this happened. He had followed standard operating procedures for this section of track."

[@ccrx6700]

Spoken from someone who has been there, done that Jason! You full well know from experience sir....those silly cars, always angry cause they are pulled and can't sit in the shade in a siding

[@kens.3729]

Will be Interesting to see how Hulcher makes necessary Repairs / Replacement to get it Open. 👍

[@ccrx6700]

Well Ken, sorry but I was not there when Hulcher did their work, however in a vid coming up I do explain how they rerailed the 'loco. It pretty neat how they did it. that will be in the vid title: Damage to the Loco, in the video coming up about the Engine Burn Fracture will be how they rerailed the cars. Thanks for watching the show today sir

[@catslivesmatter1268]

@@ccrx6700 definitely need to install more oilers along those curves

[@tombratton3196]

Crazy to think of the force it took to move that rail like that.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching Tom and hope you will watch the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment coming soon to a utube nearest you...

[@theoldbigmoose]

@@ccrx6700 are you going to post one video a week?

[@marco23p]

Really fortunate that the train stayed upright! But a large mess indeed. Do spikes hold just as well as other fasteners? Here in The Netherlands, pretty much all is screwed (where wooden ties are used) with some kind of elastic fastening. I've never seen just spikes. Though I don't know what the reason for that is. Is there even a large sideways force on the rail under normal operation?

[@ccrx6700]

Yes it is Marco, coulda been lot worse if loco was on side and fuel spilling out, we lucky it stayed up right. The Pandrol clips hold track very well especially when the plates are lagged, however to change over would be a major huge undertaking for us at this time, all our rail is spiked. Thanks for watching sir

[@jasonking2943]

Here is my guess, given the curve and the way the track is rolled out. I believe a boggie locked. Thus the wheel set on the hopper would not turn and follow the rail. For the rail to lift like it did you had to have a force to cause that and a locked wheel set would could and has done that. Major forces happen when a train goes into a curve. when Dave showed the spikes lifted to start off with that proves some inside force caused that. Had speed been a factor which in theory it could have been not that they were going to fast or over the speed for that part of the line. I think if they were going over the speed things would have been alot worse. The fact that the locomotive and hoppers were all upright tells me speed was not a factor.

[@chrisbeck8182]

That’s what I was thinking, given the troubles they’ve had with the under car pivot shoes or bearings? That whole section of track just got mulched! What a mess.

[@rearspeaker6364]

@@chrisbeck8182 center pivot bearing worn/jammed,bogie side bearing missing.

[@allenra530]

I had one of these where the rails rolled over at the uphill end of a siding while we were pulling a string of hoppers full of sand out of there and we had to leave one loaded hopper on the ground below the switch. We may have had more than that car off the track, but we didn't see it at first and the other cars may have been rerailed by the guard rails below the switch frog. The Roadmaster came out and the section gang got everything repaired in a couple of days while we were working on the other side of the mountains. Those ties were old and had been stressed by another crew backing the loads into the siding after one of their units failed on them and they didn't have enough power to get up the hill. They left half of the train there and we were sent out to pick it up the next afternoon. When I was still doing track work, my crew had replaced ties at the lower end of that siding, but when I went to train crew, the priorities got changed and the rest of the siding didn't get taken care of. Sometimes track fails because of something that the engineer does. Sometimes things get worn out and need attention, but something else is more important and you don't get back to it in time.

[@renorailfanning5465]

I'm impressed that with all that damage and heavy equipment to be moved, you say it might be 2 days. Only 2 days ! Wow !

[@jasonboche]

Faster than that actually. The existing track and ties come up pretty easy with a putty knife. spread some DAP caulk on the roadbed, lay the track, and ballast. 2 hours tops.

[@saintsi6997]

Two questions , Why do they leave the Loco engine running, and why not GPS track the speed of the train?

[@billcochran4072]

I’m sure the locomotive has a speed recorder, they all do.

[@ccrx6700]

Yes sir they do, train was going 22 MPH when this happened, track speed is 25. Thanks for watching and hope you will stay tuned for the rest of the upcoming videos about all of the events that happened here.

[@davidbagley1783]

@@ccrx6700 aloha.. my dad worked Conrail and Penn Central for 30 years

[@davidbagley1783]

Sabotage

[@travelingtom923]

They probably kept the locomotive running because sometimes those older locomotives batteries are not the best and it may not start again. Last thing you need is a locomotive with a dead battery once it is re-railed.

[@RT-tn3pu]

Good size derailment, more importantly hopefully no one was seriously hurt.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching and hope you will watch the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment coming soon to a utube nearest you...

[@retiredafce3373]

@@ccrx6700 I’m looking forward to those videos.

[@ccrx6700]

@@retiredafce3373 👍

[@bigjoesburgers]

Excessive speed through the curve?.

[@emknapp6713]

Momma said there’d be days like that!

[@ccrx6700]

You've probably seen your share of disaster to Ezekiel. Not anyone wants to see this, but unfortionatly it was one of those days

[@emknapp6713]

@@ccrx6700 number one question when I tell people what I do is “How often do trains derail?” And everyone is surprised when I tell them “Everyday”. Good catch on that broken base. Our equipment won’t pick them up unless far enough in towards the web. Be safe out there!

[@ccrx6700]

@@emknapp6713 seem like that what everyone interested in derailments... guess people are attracted to destruction 🤔

[@2flyabove]

All I know is that Thomas the Tank Engine never liked Diesel.

[@rearspeaker6364]

and he didn't like the thought of being changed into an oil burner!!!

[@camorrisiii]

I know Sir Topham Hat would be very cross with this amount of damage. All sorts of confusion and delay.

[@rearspeaker6364]

@@camorrisiii his hat would be smoking!!

[@ccrx6700]

you are so right in that, glad he didn't show up here....lol

[@brentboswell1294]

It was the Troublesome Trucks...they fessed up during questioning 🤣

[@albertvieira6635]

That track can be fixed I'm just hoping nobody got hurt keep up the great work that you do I give you an A-Plus a job well done keep up the good work you're doing an outstanding job

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you Albert, things could have been a lot worse as you can imagine, all are safe. Thanks for watching and hope you will stay tuned for the rest of the upcoming videos about all of the events that happened here.

[@williamflorinjr.8541]

Bring in snap track to get the line operational again.

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@ William Florin Jr. hello how are you doing

[@thenasadude6878]

The locomotive was at the back of the train right? What a mess, seeing the ties cut through by the wheels was a reminder of the tremendous forces involved

[@ccrx6700]

We have a push pull system, so locos on both ends. Thanks for watching and hope you will stay tuned for the rest of the upcoming videos about all of the events that happened here.

[@thenasadude6878]

@daniiel mlinarics ccrx works for a railway that moves coal. He explained that coal dust and pebbles will fall out of the hoppers and embed itself in the ballast, making drainage difficult when it rains. This causes a lot of problems, and ccrx has many videos where he shows the process of renewing the ballast

[@petekish2046]

Wow glad no tip overs and hopefully everyone is safe

[@ccrx6700]

Yep Pete, things coulda been a lot worse, we are lucky. Thanks for watching and hope you will view the vid that gives my theory on why the derailment happened, link is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKaqoKB5qr-ejJI

[@thegrumpytexan]

Makes me wonder if the weather had been dry for a while, shrinking the ties (which makes the holes the spikes are in larger/looser) combined with some of the factors others have already mentioned.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching Ken and hope you will watch the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment coming soon to a utube nearest you...

[@MichaelSmith-pn7im]

I immediately heard that Country song by Confederate Rail Road. WHEN YOU LEAVE THAT WAY YOU CAN NEVER GO HOME!

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@Michael Smith of course hun how are you doing

[@jjxtwo1]

That must of been a terrible surprise for everyone, including the train crew. Seeing the mangled rail a ties that are chewed to pieces really shows the mass and power of the train. I sure am sorry Dave. This probably hits you hard personally, especially considering the pride you take in keeping this line in shape. There's nothing you could have done about it. Maybe the company will allow for larger maintenance budget. I'm really looking forward to updates on the repairs but only as you are able. How that engine didn't tip over is amazing. It's a long drop off the edge too particularly on the one side. Just wow.

[@ccrx6700]

Yes it did Jeff, you know me pretty well, and you are right, this was a wake up call and our budget has increased from skimp where you can to now spend whatever it takes! Thanks Jeff

[@johnhauser4589]

Dude!! Oh no! Your track always looked amazing. Curious why. Sorry for you.

[@ccrx6700]

Yea, I know John, was a big surprise, but as you will find out in the next video, tracks didn't cause this, however as you can imagine my friend, it made me sick to see this happen. Thanks for watching sir

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@ John Hauser am just surprised this happen to him how are you doing john

[@johnhauser4589]

@@lydiaanderson4247 I'm great. Enjoying this subscription.

[@PRRGG1]

Looks like you need some "Jeep" logos for that loco!

[@ccrx6700]

Hey Steve, hope you are doing well my friend

[@PRRGG1]

@@ccrx6700 Hi ya Dave! Doing ok here. Hope you didn't have too much trouble getting the line back open. Hope to "binge watch" a few of your videos tonight.

[@ccrx6700]

@@PRRGG1 glad all is okay my friend, thanks for touching base back with me

[@colliecandle]

Reckon it's time to 'lose' the spikes and start using Pandrol clips on concrete ! Most definitely on curves anyway.

[@ccrx6700]

Well, figure this, my old tamper has limit switches which control how far down the tamping tools go. Wood ties 7 inches thick concrete 9. That would mean to tamp a combo of wood and concrete, for every difference I would have to crawl under tamper and reset 4 limit switches, then do it again for each different tie and that ain't gonna happen. Now if I had the Jupiter system in the tamper I could toggle a switch inside the cab, but Jupiter upgrade costs minimum $100,000, so management not yet ready to give me an upgrade or a newer tamper, so we stuck with wood for now. Thanks for watching sir. Someday gonna make a vid and show the limit switches and what would need to be done to do concrete ties

[@inaoifeble]

$100k to upgrade the tamper vs whatever it's gonna cost to fix all of that, though I'm sure management doesn't necessarily see it that way

[@beavis8167]

When you think everything's going smooth with the track and this shit happens.

[@Bassotronics]

Ive seen many rails with spikes hardly even securing the rail at all. Just a matter of time on those curves with such centrifugal forces involved.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching and hope you will view the vid that gives my theory on why the derailment happened, link is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKaqoKB5qr-ejJI

[@michael7423]

Glad nobody was injured!

[@AgentMulder1805]

Those wheels certainly were dug in like an Alabama tick, Dave. What a flamin mess! Never seen the like!

[@ccrx6700]

LOL that made me laugh! Sure appreciate your taking the time to watch the video today my friend.

[@robertl4824]

At 22mph the loco must have been off the rails for 43 seconds! 32.3 feet/sec = 22mph.

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@ Robert L hello how are you doing

[@Nurvington]

I'm so sorry to see this. Terrible all around. Damn.

[@326dad]

Wow Dave, that's a cluster ! Hope you find the culprit. Stay safe my friend, that's railroading, like it or not.

[@ccrx6700]

Yep Kurt, what a mess, but it all fixed now better than new. Stay tuned lots more to come for ya my friend

[@trainmagnet5845]

Looks to me, based on how the spikes are gradually being pulled out, before the derail, the DPU, was pushing harder than the lead engine(s), were pulling, causing the DPU to push hard enough, on the curve, to put enough outward pressure on the cars and their trucks to cause the rail to come loose and roll.

[@ccrx6700]

Could be, but I talked to the operator that evening after it happened and he told me lead unit was in throttle run 5, EOT DP was in 3, so watch my next video for my theory, ponder that one for awhile, then write back in. Appreciate your watching today's show

[@FreezerBurn.]

Told ya not to give the loco keys to my wife!

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@FreezerBurn hello how are you doing

[@StevenRides]

Wow, that damage. Sorry to see the mess especially on your day off. pretty nasty, glad it wasn't worse and noone was hurt. How were the spikes just able to start being pulled up like that? Just shaken loose from vibration over time? It looks like it severly damaged the wheels of the locomotive and cars too.

[@davidhuey3201]

The fact the locomotive & cars stayed upright through all that is testament to how well you keep that bed tamped. The rail was lifted from the ties, but I didn't see any ties that looked loose or pulled upward. Sure was a strong side force to lift & roll the rail. Appreciate all the great informative videos you do! Looking forward to more!

[@tiredoldmechanic1791]

Looks like the ties are rotten and the spikes pulled out.

[@pegjames188]

Look a rather feeble system compared to the rail that criss-crossed and transported the coal and steel from local pits and iron works for many years . Now all gone of course. Greetings from Wales.

[@David-ci1vn]

@@tiredoldmechanic1791 Me too, if that's "pretty good", I hope they don't shift px or nuclear waste.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching and hope you will take in my next video on my theory on why the derailment happened. It's here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKaqoKB5qr-ejJI

[@kingjames8283]

Okay so the locomotive that is on the ground was the DPU on the back-end? That is the bad thing about running a headless unit as there are no eyes to see what is going on and stop the train. Then again based on the last video I just watched the empties headed back, those train drivers fly through there which is probably why the distance between the disconnected cars and loco.

[@OG_DSM]

Thought speed was a clear factor also. Just based on the distance where it started and where the loco landed.

[@ericheuer3311]

That sucks man, I've been through two derailments, never that long of track though and had the same company come up and re-rail cars for us. Good Luck with everything.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks Eric, yea these kind of things suck, but it happens as you know, just gotta do what we gotta do. Hows the tamper running for you? I've been told tamper is the only machine that can break down in a siding not running....LOL

[@ericheuer3311]

@@ccrx6700 Tamper is doing good. We just had a derailment too this week due to a sun kink, about 600 feet, 13 loaded cars of rock went off but nothing tipped over.

[@ccrx6700]

Oh dear! We had use excavators to line track close to where needs be, then i final with 6700. Get some rest cause once yrack tied in all pressure gonna be on you. Good luck an keep me informed my friend

[@briankemp5206]

Thanks for sharing Dave. That did a number on your track. Good luck repairing it.

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome Brian, track back in service and all's well that ends well. Appreciate your watching, gonna have a good many pics of the work on the Community Room on my channel over the coming weeks if you'd like to keep checking there too, plus more vids coming

[@reallovechannel1309]

I have never seen a derailment like that ! Thank you for sharing !

[@ccrx6700]

Your welcome, thanks for viewing the show

[@TV-gh7ug]

They kept going it looks like for a while

[@littlewingpsc27]

Did the derailment start at the end of the curve as you transition from super elevation back to level track? Maybe a wheel flange rode over the top of the rail in the transition area and the rail got caught between two wheel sets of a truck assembly. That would explain why the rail is laid over like that, why the train stayed upright within the roadbed, and why so many ties are cut. Once a car or locomotive truck was on the ground those wheel flanges will cut through the ties plus any dragging equipment. Sorry it happened but a great amount of content potential at least. Glad no one was hurt. How remote is that area to get equipment into?

[@ThePaulv12]

Excessive train speed may explain it too. That and an undetected mudhole perhaps? Dunno my remark is just an opinion of a KZbin commenter which as we all know isn't worth much lol.

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@ littlewingpsc27 hello how are you doing

[@coniow]

Good job nobody was injured, or I suspect that the line would be closed by Health and Safety until the investigation was complete. Good for you that you have all these videos available, as the first thing they will look at is maintenance, and how you work. Your concern with having a safe track shows. I would say BLOODY IMPRESSIVE if the line is back in only 2 days, though! Keep safe.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching and hope you will take in my next video on my theory on why the derailment happened. It's here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKaqoKB5qr-ejJI

[@NorthernChev]

I'm just floored that the locomotive stayed upright.

[@dock_yard1149]

I’m convinced it was trailing unit, not head end...

[@brax2364]

“What a mess.” “Don’t know what happened.” “Might take a couple days.” Probably should repeat that about 50 more times so it will really sink in.

[@retinaquester]

Yup and he can't even say 2 words without losing his breath. I also think the rails roled over. BTW why do they leave the engine of the derailed locomotive running? Burn of the fuel?

[@ccrx6700]

When I got there all that was going thru my mind was how am I going to get all this track back in service. I made 4 videos walking up the track thinking I would publish 4 separate videos, but later put all 4 together. I have requested management the next time they have a derailment they have to give me 8 hours notice so I can script those videos. I'm sorry I wasn't thinking so much about what I was saying at the time, was 90 times more concerned about getting track back in service.

[@MrLordBaer]

never a dull moment on the RailRoad

[@PlanetMojo]

Wow what a disaster Dave! Looks like a lot of hours to get things back on track! Do you guys use RJ Corman? I've seen a bunch of videos with them rerailing trains but have no idea where they are based. Stay safe and good luck my friend!

[@dock_yard1149]

He said HULCHER was on their way to rerail.

[@PlanetMojo]

@@dock_yard1149 Great! I hope he gits some good video.

[@rebelcat420]

RJ Corman is based out of KY, but have field offices across the country. The closest to this RR is about 20 miles north of there in the Washington area. Hulcher also has a site in Washington (which I believe he said they used).

[@ccrx6700]

You are correct in that, Washington bout 35 minutes from us, they showed up rather quickly, thanks for watching sir

[@rossball647]

as the saying goes. you cant put a square peg in a round hole, "well" the railways have proven you can. as a former railway track maintenance worker I've seen time and again the square spikes (dog spikes) we call them here in Australia, are always the first to come lose no matter how good the sleeper ties are. I can easily say if you walk along that section of track you would probably find that most of if not nearly all of the square spikes would be compromised (lose) or well on there way before any of the round type dog spikes. being on a curve you may notice smooth shiny marks on the sleepers on the outer high rail from the lateral movement of the sleeper plate moving back & forward on the sleepers from the forces of the trains weight pushing on the high rail thus loose ties. but that being said I'm not in any position to say how it came off the tracks, nor am I going to. thanks for the video although its not what you wanted to see or happen, take care. greetings from Australia.

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching Ross and hope you will take in my next video on my theory on why the derailment happened. It's here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKaqoKB5qr-ejJI

[@dahliagreen5919]

Very interesting, thank you for making this. So much damage from a point of failure, where it looks like a few base plates gave way, and once the rail moved out of gauge, weight and motion did the rest. Would it be possible to use a different method of seating the rails on sharper curves, such as the fast clips or Pandrols on concrete ties used a lot in Europe? The camber will have been correctly worked out for the curve and line speed, so rail fixings and ties seem to hold the answer. Re railing the train must have been nightmare!

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching and hope you will watch the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment coming soon to a utube nearest you...

[@dahliagreen5919]

@@ccrx6700Thank you, I've watched one on what you call cribbing, and will watch the upcoming ones. Very interesting to see how lines and maintenance are different in other parts of the world. Keep up the good work, and looking forward to see what started that derailment!

[@wes5150.]

Conductor: "I think were On the Ground !" Hog Head: "Thanks, I'll give it a few more 'Notches'."

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching Wes and hope you will stay tuned for the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment

[@timmyfrierson2684]

You’re lucky that that engine stayed upright and it rolled down and embankment and that those two cars didn’t turn over but you right y’all got a mess there. Keep us posted and make some good videos of them re-Railing The engine and the two cars and fixing the track back

[@ccrx6700]

Yes Timmy things could have been a whole lot worse, a loco rolled over spilling diesel fuel or on fire, I hate to think of what could have happened. Appreciate your viewing the show

[@whiteknightcat]

Almost 9 minutes of repeating the same thing over and over, describing one derailed loco and two derailed cars, all upright and on the roadbed, as "major".

[@chuckgilly]

Chill out hotshot, the poor guy is in shock.

[@jasonboche]

@@chuckgilly Someone has KZbin fatigue.

[@theoldbigmoose]

As a newb, can someone explain the great distance between the locomotive and the coal cars? Why was the track so torn up in between? Was the locomotive still on gauge, tearing the track behind it? Those ties splintered like toothpicks.

[@Justme-jt1ef]

It’s the end of the train not the beginning they have a pushing locomotive and a pulling locomotive and with the amount of weight that needs to stop remember an object in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon equal or opposite reaction so it didn’t hit a steel wall for it to of stoped instantly

[@Tolono]

Here's the way I see it, which could be incorrect since I wasn't there: The engine you see was at the rear of the train acting as a DPU (Distributed Power Unit, controlled from the lead engine). The last few cars of the train somehow derailed on the curve, uncoupling from the DPU in the process. The brake line between the DPU and the last car disconnected, putting the train in emergency (air line pressure to zero) so the brakes on the DPU and the rear cars came on with full force. The DPU stopped very quickly, at least partly from being off the rails. The air in the brake line near the front of the train takes a few seconds to vent out the break at the rear, so the rear of the train was dragged along for a few seconds tearing up the track as the front part of the train didn't have the brakes on yet.

[@ccrx6700]

Thank you sir, excellent reply to that comment above! Hope you enjoyed today's show and appreciate your watching

[@theoldbigmoose]

Thanks gents for the reply, explained it perfectly. What a mess for Dave and the crews! Sure glad none of them went over the edge and down the embankment. Can't imagine the work needed to re-establish the gauge and re-rail the cars and locomotive. Going to be interesting to watch to say the least.

[@mikemathews9277]

That’s a huge mess of a Problem to Correct..

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching Mike and hope you will watch the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment coming soon to a utube nearest you...

[@lydiaanderson4247]

@ mike mathews hello how are you doing

[@rufusmagilucutty3500]

You keep repeating the same thing over and over

[@davejustice7464]

They usually blame the Carmen usually get out a wheel gauge first thing

[@ccrx6700]

Yep, gotta blame someone Dave! Thanks for watching sir

[@GPz84]

Unfortunately, that's railroading!

[@ccrx6700]

You are right, not what we want to see, but it happens, hope you'll catch the rest of the vids in this mini series and thanks for viewing today's show

[@jclay6680]

At least the old track couplings are used and bolted (not seamless welded).

[@ccrx6700]

Thanks for watching and hope you will stay tuned for the rest of the upcoming videos about all of the events that happened here.

[@markalan1501]

Looks like the truck was bound up and couldn't swivel and she split the rails and fell in.

[@tbearrails9983]

This is why I moved to HO scale... Just think if an articulated loco was there with coal loads...

[@ccrx6700]

Sure woulda made things a bit easier to put back together...lol Thanks for viewing the show

[@ladypilliwick8179]

there's a thing called a frog. you put it up under the tires. their not wheels. there ties. hook the locomotive on. and pull it. the car. tuck will hop easily back onto the rail

[@jasonboche]

Too bad they called Hulcher when they could have called Lady pilliwick.

[@warbar95]

Working on a Rail Road for 33 years the last 14 as a wreck crew foreman. We saw them all, a-lot of hours in ice snow rain sabotage vehicle crossing. I miss it retired 18 years now great video GOD BLESS

[@ccrx6700]

Wow bet you sure could tell a lot of stories to top this one sir! You guys are the best. Unless you've been out there, no one knows what you guys have to deal with, like you say with weather, and long, long hours, working on slopes that are nuts, let alone getting everything back in order. My hat is off to you sir. Thanks for watching and hope you will stay tuned for the rest of the upcoming videos about all of the events that happened here.

[@warbar95]

@@ccrx6700 Thank you for your channel

[@trainstractorscarsandtruck7362]

Was the train going backwards. How is the locomotive so far from the cars. 25 miles an hour running on gravel. I would think it would have stopped pretty quickly and train went into emergency!!!!

[@stevensproull9388]

If that was Penn Central, it would be their best mainline track...

[@ccrx6700]

LOL, what a tragedy PC became, I am ashamed of how the once mighty PRR and NYC with their magnificent railroadin ended up. Once 70 mph track was slow order down to 10. Thanks for watching Steven and hope you will watch the upcoming videos that explain so many other aspects of what all happened here, there gonna be 8 more videos out about the derailment coming soon to a utube nearest you...

[@lorimayer1514]

It's only going to take two days to fix all that? I would have thought two weeks.

[@ccrx6700]

Lori, thanks for writing in and watching, they got some really great people out here and a lot of equipment in a short time. Everyone involved did a phenomenal job, Track was out of service on a Wedneday at 5 PM and the first train ran at 2;30 on that Saturday. THope you will stay tuned for the rest of the upcoming videos about all of the events that happened here.

[@monteman700]

Glad to hear everyone is ok and everything stayed upright. Keep us posted on the progress.

[@jesusmylordsaviorking3726]

just curious why the locomotive was left running when its off the tracks?

[@ccrx6700]

Locos are left running a lot of the time here, they never shut down during the winter even if parked in a siding, Had there been any leakage under the loco then it surely would have been shut off right away. And, consider if the loco was shut off and for some reason wouldn't start again, that would severely complicate things for the track repair crews. We have no way to drag it west out of the way. They were also hoping Hulcher could somehow re rail the loco quickly so no need to shut it off. Thanks for watching and hope you will stay tuned for the rest of the upcoming videos about all of the events that happened here.

[@robertinscoe2379]

Hunting truck on one of the loaded cars just beat the heck out of that track. Just my quess. Good thing is that no one got hurt.✌

[@ccrx6700]

You are certainly right in that Robert, holding track surface is so important to prevent hunting, it ain't good for the cars either as you well know. Appreciate your watching sir

[@VincentCowboysAndTrains]

This is Norfolk southern every day!

[@ccrx6700]

NS sure does have their share of problems, no arguing about that Vincent. It is rare we ever have a derailment here, the last big one was in April of 2021 and before that it was many, many years. Very much appreciate your taking the time to pay us a visit and check out the video my friend.

[@daalnweaver4354]

I guess when in doubt just throttle on out. Or until it quits moving.... how can you even operate a train and not feel that

[@ccrx6700]

With only 3 trucksets off and being dragged the drop in amps on loco will be almost minimal. They once had a bearing go bad and 1 wheel set dropped off, they drug it 8 miles with no drop in amps. These locos are built to handle 70 or so loads dependingbon grade, we only have 37 cars, so a car or 2 off doesnt drop amps much. Train stopped when it went into emergency after rear DP uncoupled

[@alandaters8547]

@@ccrx6700 Thanks for these details Dave. I'm sure that you will have a whole video on this, once the dust settles.

[@ccrx6700]

@@alandaters8547 yes sir Alan, got 8 more in this mini series 👍

[@rakasome]

Oh my! What a shame, Dave. Good luck.

[@ccrx6700]

Yep Ray, but as you well know that's railroadin, just not a part of it we want to have happen. Hope you doing well my friend and thanks for viewing today's show

[@dorothycole8611]

Wow! Tremendous damage! Very interesting video.

[@ccrx6700]

Glad you enjoyed today's show, more to come in the next few weeks

[@twotoes533]

Take the steering wheel out of the cab...That operator tried to turn left!

[@ccrx6700]

Like Bugs Bunny, shoulda turned left at Albuquerque Thanks for watching and hope you will stay tuned for the rest of the upcoming videos about all of the events that happened here.