Ceb & Notail perfectly predict Tinker pick [Draft Game 3]

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[@CrystalisDota]

if you enjoyed Ceb and NOtail draft analysis: here is Game 5 analysis: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXS5o2V8ZbKdoc0

[@fragiledj]

no disrespect to the existing panelist/anylist but valve needs to invite players for more insight like insania did a pretty good job and ceb and notail was like the best thing to listen and understand to in draft phase

[@icouldntthinkofagoodname7216]

As they say, veterans know how the battle may go even before it starts.

[@tanucnguyen7997]

yeah definately improve player knowledge and perspective like alot

[@825worker]

i'd say valve was VERY lucky to have ceb and n0tail as analysts for the grand finals, and i'd bet they haven't been paid for doing that. them sharing their game knowledge, reading players' body language among others is just divine for the lack of a better term.

[@EdeYOlorDSZs]

I agree, panelists can't really comprehend the depth of TI strats

[@joachimenciso1816]

Insania have been casting and analyst since H.O.N days

[@cuberzed1441]

I like how Aui let Ceb and Notail talk. And he didn't butt in too much.

[@jdoe3006]

They just didn't predict the Tinket pick, they even predicted an LGD win with a massacre for tinker. This is why we need TI winner as analysts not just some pubstars.

[@phanfiee5653]

they also called exactly how the Naga game would play out. true gods of the game

[@ilovecoding9286]

maybe that how they won 2 t.i

[@neiljohnelizarde2648]

@@phanfiee5653 naga game is predictable, naga isnt the special in the first place

[@seeker7702]

Yap.. I watched it live.. That game was tinker's game.. 💪😁😁😁

[@mizaru84]

I love it especially when they saw game 4 draft and they instantly knew that LGD is going to stomp.

[@derstilleabonnierer]

If Ceb quits after this or the next Ti, I really hope he gets to cast and comment drafting at majors and ti. His knowledge is unquestionable, great video and very pleasent to listen to

[@enck27]

He did, check OG liquidpedia he alrdy retired

[@cebuaknows7537]

he was already an analyst before he coached and played for OG.. as for now hes already retired, i think hell stay as OG coach

[@Hydrofluorescent]

@@enck27 It changed back he is on the team🌻

[@asnawiizuan2005]

@@enck27 i just check it and he still in og

[@aldrinmercado3475]

Now he can flame all players all day

[@bmbm1]

For someone who can't possibly comprehend the decisions these teams make at the literal highest possible level, I love having someone who is at that level explaining every decision

[@scottbeale1825]

For sure. There are just so many different variables that I can't remotely wrap my head around drafting beyond straight counter picking. It's such an interesting part of the sport but it takes a really good analysis to give decent insight on what's going on.

[@noriqbal2082]

A panel featuring TI winners: Aui, Ceb and n0tails. God damn you'll never see smtg like this again

[@slahser]

That's not really that hard to do again. Ceb and Notail being participants in the same TI and just got eliminated a day ago and now becoming a draft panel is something else tho.

[@edgaral]

Yes we will, what are you on lmfao

[@AbsolutelyNerdy]

n0tails? More like p0nytails

[@dinh_khai_]

the more ti, the more ti winners. the odd you see this again is actually getting bigger

[@eivenevie]

theres gonna be lot of boomer players guning to became talent onward

[@johnpabelloren741]

They are still picking but NoTail is thinking how to force fights, how to catch people, what to do during fights, does the heroes have a good cohesion in terms of skills. I mean as a player I think about that, like how many stuns do you need to look out, do you build bkb etc, but he is just 10 steps ahead. They do prove themselves as TI 2 time champs.

[@justrob1453]

The dota brain power on this panel was insane, 3 TI winners. love it.

[@canttall]

10:08 is where they start predicting.

[@jewii3824]

was looking for this. Thanks

[@gilbertojrmanay5983]

you're a hero mate

[@KayAmenTV]

Thanks!

[@hanibasim7598]

Thanks

[@timothyjaydyning3247]

ceb and notail handles the strategy, jerax ana and topson handles the tactics. perfect group

[@oatswithmilk]

As much as OG are cocky, its incredibly humbling to see them speak well of others as well. Saying how TS has blossomed and that being beautiful, to paying respects to how incredible Yatoro’s PA and NTS’ Tinker is, they are truly fans of Dota just like anyone of us and that’s awesome

[@greggreyes6869]

they are casters in this. but if there are in the booth across psg you will hear them talking shit about this tinker and they can easily kill it. but that is not arrogance. you need to psych yourself up if you are going against tough opponents. when your carry is talking shit how easy the game is (TT's "ez game") the rest of the team will get confidence boost and its a hell of a weapon unless the momentum turns

[@ML-sv5ez]

You never hear OG talk shit to the other teams. They always say good things. Only reason why they shit on the other team between themselves is just to boost morale and keep the energy of the team. Also their wheelchats and stickers are just elements of fun for them. Even Nigma found it funny.

[@lechampion214]

@@ML-sv5ez exactly they're doing it to boost morale remember i think at TI8 when Sumnos picked Kunkka and they said it's bad pick and they're gonna win (ended up getting stomped by him) at the true sight when they showed somnus pick they all said, oh that pick fucked us we all felt phased by it (even tho they didn't show it)

[@eroshan]

They are not cocky. They just know that the mental aspect of the game is the biggest difference when all players at the peak. Both keeping you team happy and the other team mentally down. And that knowldge OG uses as a tool.

[@gsmarchand]

When an opponent picks a strong hero against them that OG knows is a game winning pick do want them to say as the draft is going on "well I guess it's over. GG. Next game." If you mean cocky in public like on Twitter or whatever that's fine but cocky in game is all about team morale. I agree that top players make the best analysts. Pieliedie was good last year in the draft analysis.

[@BrianDPhan]

If we pay attention, the game went largely as they predicted. From the draft, to how each hero gonna play out, to what are their core items, and to how the pace of the game goes (pushing tower, push team fight). OMG, what is going on inside these pro players' brains?

[@Junskiezxc]

They are pro players for a reason.

[@Zanderreid571]

You do realise these pro players have been playing against each other for years and years, they know what every player's hero pool and play style are not forgetting the preparation they go through in a tournament like TI so it's not that much of a surprise, it's not like some random team joined TI and it's their first time, LGD has dominated, it would be pretty stupid for a team not to be prepared

[@TaronKav]

The analysis Ceb made during the finals draft were on another level. Perfection though, are Notail's braids.

[@OriginalPuro]

He might just be the smartest dota player, in my humble opinion. Not only is he the most-winning coach, he's a two-time (in a row) TI winner and one of the absolute best analysts.

[@rjortilano4967]

@@OriginalPuro 4x major winner as couch, 2x Ti champion, it should be obvious that he is one of the best drafter ever but it still surprises me how on point he was in this analysis

[@junalberca361]

I watched this part, I was so shocked on how they predicted this so accurately. They also predicted it like a one sided game. Mind blowing

[@sdeniadaha6989]

This draft was used to us like 3 years ago 😂 if there's pa . There's tinker.

[@KaelzO]

@@sdeniadaha6989 bruh back dota 1 brah. Hahahaa. Still remember my finals on dota1 cup, tinker wips pa es prophet ggwp

[@trazyx4522]

aui2000 should do this from the start of the TI , good job valve bringing him to host the panel

[@definitelycultured7521]

I love how in live chat there are people are spamming "lmao Ceb and Notail still salty about Team Spirit 2-0 them" while they perfectly predicted what's going to happen

[@xyrildanmanuel783]

me: thinking that there's not much to learn on dota 2 anymore ceb and notail: *speaks* me: i know nothing

[@akngkevin]

nothingtosay : ...

[@Venade_Velvet]

Not only he is very good at analysting, his english also so clear and simple, we can understand it very clear

[@naveedmuja8845]

can you create of video of all Ceb and notail analysis at Ti? Thanks

[@ibnelaiq]

That would be amazing.

[@zenki8854]

I think if they still with ana and jerax they can win ti10 with this two genius a captain and a coach

[@leonbishop7404]

@@zenki8854 they dont have the motivation anymore. they already proved everything they wanted. just accept that they all deserve rest and freedom

[@sdeniadaha6989]

@@leonbishop7404 maybe next year or the year after. We will see the original og

[@BeniHime322]

@@sdeniadaha6989 no chance

[@benjiewoods4865]

I tried so hard to click away from this but the perspective from two ti winners was just SO good

[@sekywreckytv6422]

This just shows why they are our back to back TI champions. They can easily read and out draft their opponent. But, this year is not the year for them. Go get your revenge next TI OG!

[@aldrinmercado3475]

Yeah i mean. Notail was one of the best naga siren users as pos 5. Even sumail can use it as carry.. why did they never use it? So many possibilities but i guess they failed to execute. The io picks for ceb were just meeh.. and its sad saksa cant use io that good wouldve been harder to predict og picks that way.. imagine if original og was playing this patch and they pick tiny io mk. Lol pos 1 2 4 tiny/mk pos 1/3/4 io.

[@kingcobras6636]

no Ana, no jerAx, ez games for opponents. topson kinda meh but jells well with Ana

[@aldrinmercado3475]

@@kingcobras6636 yeah the more chaotic the game is the better for ana. For some reason ana heroes are the winning condition for og. I dont get the same feeling with sumail. I dunno of its because of his hero choice, or that because of the patches no single hero is just too op everyone has a counter hero or item

[@kingcobras6636]

@@aldrinmercado3475 sumail i think isnt happy with being pos 1, he really shines being a mid laner. that's why no synergy whatsoever among them , no will to win

[@aldrinmercado3475]

@@kingcobras6636 yeah sumail likes to compete and playing mid is most of the time 1 on 1 is where he excels. Sometimes he does play a bit too aggressive which costs them the match. I dont know how og can create another ti winning team but lets just wait and see

[@DaneyliciousTV]

BigBarbieNotail! Love you man. Ceb and Notail's knowledge is unquestionable.

[@miseo6961]

who said twin tails are for "barbie/girls"? vikings 3x more muscular than you ever will be used to have them as hairstyles. just love the hair man, people like you always have something to say something about other people.

[@33shin33]

Game 5, one of the most proud moments of my life, when I saw magnus on the draft I predicted Ember Spirit and Yatoro's Terrorblade, it's their main weapon. I was so happy they won afterwords I came back to dota right away. But who cares right? peace for you reading this.

[@Lord_Sunqu]

Poggers, my friend. Poggers.

[@mastress]

God bless you sir

[@Apakorn-bn5wk]

Dayum, that insight is invaluable. Makong the picking phase enjoyable!

[@741blizz]

EL PROFESSOR CEB: THIS IS WHERE PLAN TINKER COMES IN.

[@andrewonce6772]

giving Tiny to LGD in game 5 is 200IQ move from Spirit, they know they have a can to crush it. 👌

[@zinpin2210]

IMO it's do or die for both team not IQ or confident

[@parimalchaudhari3618]

Yes.... Indeed. It was trap. And PSG.LGD trapped 😂

[@gustav3222]

u could said same thing if lgd managed to man handled that magnus 1st pick

[@abdullah0277]

This is why i like the analyst from Pro player the more knew the game plan.

[@drizzy6302]

Notail fine hair, Cutetail, Twintail

[@farihalubaba0810]

2tail

[@jicomaravillas6548]

@@farihalubaba0810 next would be Ponotail

[@farihalubaba0810]

@@jicomaravillas6548 monotail

[@Jamslijamsl]

A tail for every TI he won

[@Lex02615]

These 2 will definitely be good casters giving insights in game. When they retire they should be staple in every TI just like what they are doing to insania.

[@lostenan2092]

Why is Chloe Grace Moretz in dota?

[@ghynkhaelbanlawi7711]

Notail is a real viking..

[@benndarayta9156]

I feel like every TI after TI8 and TI9, Chinese teams have so much pressure just becuz they are the from strongest region and many expect them to win...feel bad for LGD always comes short

[@that1guy17]

Yea sadge there's always that one obstacle in the final stretch that chinese teams just succumb to

[@haziq12ish]

Their fault. Its the same with what happen to navi and cis region. Took 7 years before a cis region play again in the final.

[@lalalala-cs3tn]

@@haziq12ish ever since they did wings dirty, they never won TI. at least 2 former wing's players almost bring them TI again if they didnt risk for the tiny lycan combo lol.

[@provi1085]

​@@lalalala-cs3tn what do you mean "risk for" when they haven't lost with that combo yet

[@syamimyusof4276]

"can they pick meepo' all over again dude this guy knows his things.

[@CanisterA.D]

We all know that OG do research their possible strongest opponent which is PSG LGD thats why they know their drafts.

[@redpill7623]

Notail to Ponytail, GREAT DUO

[@ThomasTheConqueror]

I'm just happy that Silent finally won TI

[@rhodnill5906]

In the whole TI10 tournament, There is always a Magnus. Sh*t

[@_egghead]

Better than alchemist all game

[@bren8012]

It's so OP. Fuck that Horn Toss. They should nerf it. Instead of shard, change it to agha.

[@rhodnill5906]

@@bren8012 Every team fighting to get Magnus in the drafts. tsk³

[@user-oz3oe6px8j]

@@bren8012 it is for sure getting nerf

[@mochachino56]

@@bren8012 its worse, alche + magnus will become meta

[@gelzgrant13]

All pro players good at predicting. If you watch true sight, you’ll know. They can even make the opponent pick which hero if they want lol. Its amazing

[@MrBagginsDoes]

wow. notail got two tails!

[@volleteprof3274]

if you imagine 69 face tattoo in notail face you can't unsee it anymore xD

[@edwinooi9166]

No longer N0tail, he is now Twintail

[@meifungliew1637]

Big Barbie Twintail

[@sangaygembo3796]

@@meifungliew1637 lol

[@Jamslijamsl]

Notail got a tail for every TI he won ;)

[@ned8916]

Insania. i really like him when analyzing the game

[@KarkySphere]

everybody saying in twitch that lgd gave up on this match because they have no stun or crowd control and they gave mag to collapse again. the result is a total massacre and big W for LGD. and this is why we have analyst on the desk

[@yeahno2291]

OG is really a scary team to be honest this TI is just not for them, Jerax and Ana is a big loss for them.

[@erickdemertria3899]

Dude they lost against a team who kill every team in front of them

[@yeahno2291]

@@erickdemertria3899 secret just played really well. They really out played all teams. But i bet if ana and jerax are still playing it would be different.

[@jhinzx]

@@yeahno2291 that's definitely a different story but let's stop the "if"s and face reality.

[@yeahno2291]

@@jhinzx lol. Thats what im saying in my main comment 🤣 its not for them. Lol

[@redpill7623]

Tspirit is actually great, they dont make mistakes. OG needs time because they change their roster.

[@totallyathome]

the Team Spirit Logo looks so freaking cool... i see a dragon OR a sickle that aims straight at the Dragons neck...

[@Hindicakes]

ceb and notail convo makes me want to rewatch game 3

[@karlapux5450]

i remember this Aui predicted the tinker pick and ceb notail they explain why tinker is so fit to pick against spirit, I love how they analyzed it they deserve TI13 spot for analyst.

[@Rawbeanfortyone]

i can listen to Ceb all day. Very informative

[@dm5541]

ty for the video

[@balunchass]

Make a compilation of their analysis

[@nathanquinzi4831]

Notail looks like hvitserk from vikings 😆

[@arrowrain]

Ceeeeeeb he gets the tinker call

[@Blekkkkkkkkk]

I forgot ceb was a panelist back then. He has that skill

[@scarrface2848]

Dude look ti5 and u will see ceb as a game analyst before he coach first og

[@redmindstv6499]

Ceb and notail good mind

[@ptw8266]

They totally thought they would made it to the finals so they did all the homework on LGD but now they made it to the finals’ panellist desk instead

[@waelepips3751]

5 Aegis in 1 panel.

[@shenzyuii4025]

@Scroll Of Success 5 actually aui win 1 notail and ceb 2

[@jmas081391]

More like 5 TI rings. The Aegis, in-game, lore wise and as a trophy is one and only. Did you see any TI champs bring home 5 Aegis in a single TI event? XD

[@konbusoupstock8379]

@@jmas081391 actually they each own official replicas of the aegis as shown in the their documentary...

[@jmas081391]

@@konbusoupstock8379 you just said it, REPLICAS. So 3 Aegis in 1 panel.

[@khaitunssaujar3955]

Yeah.. wow

[@bloodstainedmir]

There were 5 TI wins at this draft panel of 3 people. This is likely the winningest draft panel you're ever likely to see.

[@braderyoutube1983]

who si another 2?

[@gerardmanaloto6381]

@@braderyoutube1983 2 on notail and ceb so 4 and 1 on aui

[@averysim7709]

Now 6

[@claudeoliver9437]

Bruh, that predict is insane

[@UzuiMIR4]

topson too may retire too cause he said on a interview before ti that ti10 might be his last and he wanted to be caster or analyst when he retire in pro scene and spend more time with his family

[@fitnessmaster87]

ceb even predicts the use of euls scepter to counter skewer

[@FirstnameLastname-bi1xw]

10:32

[@dkhepra2842]

tldr heroes

[@paulsimanjuntak4417]

Youre my hero bro

[@athapratama55]

They're players too, i think it's not a huge surprise that they can read PSG's draft.

[@JackySupit]

its not about surprising. its just awesome, and nice to see people predict perfectly.

[@athapratama55]

@@JackySupit They should let more players and ex-players to be on that draft panel, it gave people more insight.

[@vanessa24k84]

yea even i predict all Team Spirit hero at game 5

[@kliennfloyd2547]

They beat them ti9

[@gunkindra9154]

@@vanessa24k84 wow, but why u here not there in TI ? go talk like notail and ceb in front of camera not here

[@treehugger3615]

Can't wait for the True Sight.

[@peacelove1058]

theres so many times whwere teams get crush cuz of 1 hero and still dnt ban that hero....

[@deathmarkpejoi]

i also remember rtz predict sniper pick based on draft. how do these guys think man. i want to konw

[@johnnykhayek5932]

Ceb and no tail real dota genius

[@jericbaluyut6058]

I hope ceb be a analyst in majors and TI since he retired from pro scene

[@mandymany125]

respect to AUI tho he didn't butt in that much and let ceb and notail talk

[@lanzealot3429]

Ceb is just like The Professor

[@deepakraj8310]

OG boys reamin the only 2 time TI back to back winner

[@serdrey3257]

SO THIS IS WHAT HAPPENING WITHIN THE TEAMS DURING THE DRAFT SESSION.. INDEED DOTA2 NEEDS CRITICAL THINKING NOT JUST PLAYING SKILLS

[@pjpjpj5524]

Lol. After the Sven ban. I already knew that TB will wreck tiny lycan pick

[@dragonbane44]

Aui, Ceb and Big Mommy Pigtails

[@chillinchillin8444]

Should players who didnt qualify for a lan tournament, they should invite like ceb, notail or insania to commentate or do a draft analysis cos they know the game more than than the other analysts cos they really know whats going on inside the players' head in a certain situation. Ceb, notail and insania really predicted how the game was going to go

[@eighteenten]

PA was even forced to go BKB + Refresher just to survive. Called it perfectly.

[@lovepink7233]

team spirit looks like they could have cast in trainspotting

[@happybust5d]

BigDaddyPIGTAILS 😂😂😂

[@infernalblade4155]

unrelated but i like notail's hair

[@shamshamlatorre8277]

Y'all know that the 3 of them there is all TI champ right?

[@cakesandpi]

Notail going for the school girl look ay.

[@eljoncriscadavid9972]

the fuck the perfect prediction

[@siibeiisiian]

Could venge be a possible counter other than rubick as well?

[@sfguzmani]

It can work. But it is a double edge risky move. The enemy team will have you together with the skewered hero and it's a 4v2 in exchanged to your team battling Magnus in a 3v1 fight. Or you can just build aghanims for Venge and swap your teammate.

[@phyo.lin19]

Just like arteezy predicting sniper last pick in newbee vs LGD.FY. Sth panel couldn’t predict and was shocked

[@dietherkalaw6994]

I watched how Jerax talks and read drafts too. He as well join as a guest analyst before and God. You know why this guys won it twice.

[@kendob9642]

He's retired and doesn't want to share his gift with the world :(

[@elsasanjaya3937]

They really looks from the future

[@TheGizenn]

Im 4k and even i understood that tinker pick under spec is too much pressure.

[@shazmisapeei5810]

ceb is look like professor in money heist

[@takumifujiwara300]

I'm glad Dota is catching up to League esport inviting pro players into the Panel. Seeing Insania, Ceb and Notail giving their thoughts on drafts and in the game is a breath of fresh air for Dota

[@Sanya2694]

Нихера себе на английских драфтах Ceb и Notail были, вот бы на русскую студию аналитики кто-то из ВП пришел и драфты пообсуждал.

[@MichaelLwin2011]

The guy went from NoTail finetail

[@hregal594]

Notail giving some princess Kenny vibes

[@RhodnnieTV]

it is not bad to be defeated by the ti10 champ team og.

[@Ivan-xg1hx]

but ngl I'm still dumbfounded by how both LGD and OG let TSPIRIT get away with that Magnus and WW and many banning phase lol

[@JayeShorts]

Ego.

[@hpa2361]

Because they had to ban meta heroes too like monkey, io, tiny, etc also collapse's mars is really good so also that ...

[@namanh91ht]

As a king, they try to counter that

[@Saxtrup]

The thing is, that if they don't challenge the opponent, then they won't break them. OG always played a very psychological Dota 2, Ceb is famous for it. True Sight 1 and 2 shows it. He gets inside the head of the drafters, he wants them to think they won because of draft and then crush them. Problem against TS is that their players are extremely versatile. They played many heroes and both TorontoTokyo and Yatoro have huge hero pools to dip into. It is very rare, that we get to see games casted after the event these days (a stable during DOTA-era, where most games where found as replays and dl'ed). But getting such content might give more people an insight into stuff like strategies and game plans.

[@AleksAvramJeff]

Xiao8 underestimated just how much a team will lack the means to starts a fight against Collapse's Magnus. He should have known that it was too much of a big risk to play against that hero that is by all means the more effective version in comparison to how Xiao8 used Batrider in the past.

[@FranzFries12]

could they hav won if they got ana and jerax?

[@MGsmoker]

from notail to ponytail ?

[@ricosc6526]

Aui_2000 is so fit for team OG, especially with sumail 😇

[@josiahareola4924]

12:00 perfect clap

[@linkkut3563]

Ceb even advised magnus to build GG build so they could adapt lgd 's draft but he keep on his style, then TS find it really hard to execute their plan

[@vintypatk2439]

I am sorry i lost it. what exactly did he say?

[@bothethokchom2026]

@@vintypatk2439 instead of going for mekansm and blink, magnus can go for mek, greaves and then solar crest.

[@vintypatk2439]

@@bothethokchom2026 i was thinking blademail is good vs Tinker and BS.

[@masaru4459]

@@vintypatk2439 come on man, you not playing magnus buying bm in TI finals just for reflect tinker and bs damage

[@vintypatk2439]

@@masaru4459 its not just reflecting dmg it is also delaying tinker s blink so maybe you can catch him

[@JoShua-ed9lr]

7ckingmad- is sooo gooood man

[@erichammer8434]

I think I see Ceb and N0tails future....

[@christoperandal1645]

Nice