cEDH Deck Rundown #3: Urza UPS & PolyTyrant

A quick introduction to the cEDH decks for Urza, Lord High Artificer.
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*Primers / Decklists* - *Collab PolyTyrant Primer:* www.moxfield.com/decks/kes83-onUU6X_H-RyM8HPw - *UPS Primer:* www.moxfield.com/decks/UCZpPdZhHESE1BgFVge3OA - *All recommended Urza Lists:* www.moxfield.com/bookmarks/Yvdg1-cedh-urza - *Discord:* discord.gg/s3XKA6pSgm

[@PlayingWithPowerMTG]

Another fun wincon is bouncing and recasting urza over and over and creating a ton of */* constructs that are huge. After your opponents hands and permanents are stripped, pass the turn and swing with a massive army of robots.

[@catman08724]

This is a real playingwithpowermtg moment

[@EisenherzMTG]

Love this. Perfect for people getting into Urza.

[@SlayerSnow]

Oh a new video

[@nickwheeler6496]

I really like this series as it gives a good sense of what previous decks have worked so that new brews have a baseline

[@LaboratoryManiacs]

Thanks! The goal is also to give people a intro to a deck so that they can get a good grasp of its general play pattern and construction without having to read a primer or spend a while playing it.

[@akselhansen304]

Can't wait for a video on kess then I might be slightly less than absolutely garbage :)))))))

[@fearmetv9821]

Love you.

[@kkkrisada]

Great Urza rundown, thanks! Would love to see a non-combo cEDH deck tech, a lot of my mates say cEDH is all infinite mana/Thassa Oracle. Something like Winona/Yuriko/Yissan 😁

[@LaboratoryManiacs]

We'll get there, next up is Najeela, scripts written, it will be out next week.

[@DamitsSmiget]

As an Urza player. I feel Timetwister loops take to long. I am not trying to sit there and loop to win. Once I have infitnite mana I normally Capsize with buyback everything then cast Jace, Weilder of Mysteries and win. I am not saying it is wrong but I just feel like this is a faster way to go. Great video! I love watching Deck Techs on Urza to see if I can learn anything new.

[@kirdiekirdie]

I play poly tyrant because my gilded drake is in another deck and I don't have to buy another hullbreacher. Also polymorph is a fun card that can finally come out of my binder after 20 years. However I rarely play the deck because I don't want to bore people with long turns.

[@areijizen1790]

Wouldn’t Timetwister be unable to return the exiled card by Urza as it only says graveyard on timetwister?

[@lukecifer4978]

I'd rather play Urza with a few infinite mana combos to exile my whole deck then cast Thassa's Oracle and win on the spot than eat away with the Construct token

[@lukefreed6004]

What is this remix called? The outro music.

[@Jayd3z]

nice video man! whats the difference between timetwister and echo of eons? Does the combo with timetwister work with echo of eons as well?

[@LaboratoryManiacs]

For both you narset's reversal the card to keep the loop going. Echo just costs more if you cast it outside of the loop.

[@ssimpson3288]

As someone who is saving up for a tTimetwister and a Grim Monolith would Urza be playable without those or no?

[@LaboratoryManiacs]

100% check out the discord and they can help you with inline replacements. for twister, Echo of Eons is the usual replacement, with Days Undoing be the secondary. For Grim Monolith, I'm not 100% sure, but they will be able to help you there.

[@ssimpson3288]

@@LaboratoryManiacs Will do, thanks!

[@AndreasRChaos]

Can't we also win with Jace, wielder of mysteries? and we can also have a nexus of fate, take infinite turns and swing with that tyrant and urza for lethal

[@LaboratoryManiacs]

The goal is to have the highest quality cards in the deck. Both of those are not great in several scenarios. And are only there for the winning combo, why have them in the deck if they are not needed?

[@AndreasRChaos]

@@LaboratoryManiacs agreed, i guess i should mention that these cards are only maybe an option when we can't afford those expensive blue wheel spells.

[@alexcadwish]

Do you have examples of other winconless decks?

[@LaboratoryManiacs]

Any deck with "Timetwister Loops" as a wincon is a winconless deck. This can include a very alrge number of decks. The 'evolution' deck family usually is included here. www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/comments/fy4m4h/the_evolution_project/ Prior to consultation, most Tasigur builds were winconless. Using Tasigur to recast spells as many times as they want. Gitrog almost always has a winconless win as the main plan.

[@Q-Bits8]

Do you recommend going poly-tyrant over UPS? Or run both?

[@LaboratoryManiacs]

It can be meta dependent. If you are in a stax heavy meta, poly-tyrant will be much better positioned than UPS.

[@Q-Bits8]

@@LaboratoryManiacs does the polytyrant version work well without timetwister and time spiral? I don't have these and I think UPS is better without these cards?

[@LaboratoryManiacs]

@@Q-Bits8 When you need Timetwister or Timespiral, you are in a position that you have infinite mana. You can use Midnight Clock in this position. Play the clock, add 12 counters on to it. Respond to the trigger and bounce it to your hand. If it isn't in play when the shuffle resolves, it isn't exiled, but you still get the spiral effect. You can also use Echo of Eons. Echo is a bit better than clock as it can be cast during non-combo turns if it is really needed and then can sit in the Graveyard. The primers that I linked have budget suggestions to help with this as well.

[@animalrules7802]

next video, Derevi ctrl pls.?

[@ottertvmtg6229]

hello cam! how have you been lately?

[@LaboratoryManiacs]

Been doing well. Enjoying being back in content creation!

[@ottertvmtg6229]

@@LaboratoryManiacs well thats good to hear. i love your content!

[@FrogTownexotics29]

Wait. Are you just going in order of the database?

[@LaboratoryManiacs]

I was, but I changed to a different order. Based on the MLC league that is starting. I'm trying to get through all the decks that people drafted.

[@gates7831]

How do you deal with a turn 1 carpet of flowers with this deck?

[@LaboratoryManiacs]

By puckering up and out grinding them.

[@m1gr3nA]

other players will also not like carpet in play as they know you will have to play islands into it so you might get some help. you may be lucky to start with mental misstep as well.

[@EisenherzMTG]

T1 carpet is always a valid target for a mental misstep when you play any mono U deck. carpet and dockside are prob the worst cards for us, because they work around our mana denial.

[@Vonsen]

To avoid the headache of finding a way of closing out the game after infinite mana, would it be worth running an aetherflux reservoir? That would also combo with tyrant if you just have a mana neutral artifact but no mana positive ones.

[@M31415]

It's really not much of a headache once you're familiar with the list. The benefit of a 'winconless' deck is you don't have any cards that are only good during the combo, so you have overall higher card quality

[@LaboratoryManiacs]

Not really. It is a dead card in all the points, except when you are comboing off. Winconless twister loops lets us get past this and raises the overall card quality by a good amount. Tasigur did this for a really long time too, infinite mana into Beast Within + Reality Shift was one of the first winconless strats.

[@Kallistosprom]

Shame time twister is so expensive. I know proxy, but it would be nice.

[@EisenherzMTG]

Use Echo of Eons or Midnight Clock as budget alternative^^

[@swiftdragonrider]

@@EisenherzMTG echo is worse then the 5 mana twister and clock is really bad as a time twister.

[@LaboratoryManiacs]

@@swiftdragonrider Clock works fairly well when you are on the combo turn. It doesn't hit your opponents, but if clock is no longer on the battlefield when the shuffle/draw trigger resolves, then it isn't exiled. It is more mana, for sure, but in the spot of twister loops, you start with the assumption of infinite mana. So we don't really need to be concerned with the 26UUUUUUUUUUUUU + a bounce spell to get us there.

[@swiftdragonrider]

@@LaboratoryManiacs I forgot you get your entire deck before you need to loop making the bounce spell req unimportant.

[@EisenherzMTG]

@@swiftdragonrider These are the go to options we recommend to anyone building budget Urza lists, because both enable twister loops and are more usefull outside of loops than any other option. - Clock is at the very least a rock that taps for U. - Echo is a reusable Twister effect that doesnt exile itself after the first use. Outside of twister loops, both of these are better than Time Reversal, because you can't use TR during the game and then reuse it to loop spells. During twister loops you will alreary have infinite mana, so any twister effect is viable. You can ofc use another out, like Codex Shredder (pretty meh) or Jace (also meh), but I wouldnt recommend any of those. If you dont want to use any teoster loops, there is also always the dual-scepter-loop with Iso+DramRev and Iso+NarRev, which also allows you to loop any instant or sorcery.

[@MindMuscleMagic]

69th like yeeeeaaaaaahhhhh