Celestion Redback vs NEW V30 - Nolly edition. SE1:EP2

[@ZillaCabs]

Design your next cab at www.zillacabs.com What are your thoughts on the Redback? Let us know below! AB Answer in.... 5 4 3 2 1 . . . . A = V30 and B = Redback

[@jotunbjorn]

I really like it. Almost bought one for my 1x12" but went for the Jensen Raptor 100 as it was cheaper and less abrasive sounding based on demos.

[@LouieTM]

I put a Redback in my Marshall JVM215 (50W 1x12" combo) and I sold all my other valve combos.

[@K707OR30]

This was my guess. Redback sounds so much better.

[@nunninkav]

A = V30 is a scooped sound, which is why people end up using it with a 6l6 amp, even more scoop and bass, but then they need a tube screamer or Metal Zone to re-boost the mids for lead tracks. B = the red series which always seem to win the high gain "shoot outs" becasue they have a sick midrange that really brings the guitar to the front of the mix and therefore is the "lead guitarist" choice. If I am playing clean and dirty I would want a cream back, they can get fizzy with high gain so if I am all high gain lead I would use reds.

[@grungeman2745]

I liked B better in this comparison. However the v30 sounds good and can be found for cheap used due to their popularity. Ive gotten a couple made in UK v30s in used amps without them even being listed as having the speaker replaced.

[@LeonTodd]

Fantastic video, loving this series so far!

[@ZillaCabs]

Thanks mate. We should collaborate on something.

[@LouieTM]

That 4k spike is so well balanced with the low end in the Redback, once you EQ it out the speaker loses its soul.

[@MarkCoffin]

I have a Marshall 1960AV that I love. I did an X pattern with two Redbacks and the stock Marshall branded V30's and it's massive.

[@ZillaCabs]

Yeah that would be a good mix for sure.

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

The Redback is really underrated! Loved the video! It's really well structured/edited! Great job!

[@ZillaCabs]

Thanks mate.

[@nunninkav]

the red series always win the high gain lead shootouts, always.

[@ryanpullin]

Redback sounds sick! Even after the 4k notch, I’m enjoying it more than the V30 in these demos.

[@ZillaCabs]

Speakers are very personal/subjective, that's why I don't like saying there are bad speakers, maybe speakers in the wrong place or with the wrong person. Glad you are liking the redback, it's a really useful speaker.

[@miked5487]

I remember hearing a 4x12 version of the redback.. oh my god was it meaty sounding..

[@toastythecod9745]

I met this guy who had a matamp 4x12 cab loaded with redbacks when I was doing sound for a festival. It sounded colossal. Easily one of the best sounding cabs I've heard.

[@studioruangsvara]

Nolly is all over of youtube 🔥

[@Professional.Bro.777]

And yet it's never enough

[@studioruangsvara]

@@Professional.Bro.777 haha. He is great. He’s more reflecting my kind of style in music, tech nerd and production wise

[@hiyeja]

Great series, keep it going ! Nolly is such a Gem :) It’s funny, when you switch speakers my first reaction is uh that sounds weird. But after a short period of adjusting the redback sounds really cool. If I listen to it on its own, without the V30 as reference i love it ! Rawk on, greetings from Germany Philipp

[@ZillaCabs]

Thanks mate, it's always nice to hear kind words like that. Speakers are a strange thing to listen to sometimes, I find my mood determines how much I like a speaker too, and they are very context heavy. Thanks again for watching.

[@Phil.Goodwin]

I really like the Redback, it doesn't seem to have anything weird going on in the mids like a lot of speakers. It can sound pretty dark sometimes so I think it makes a great option to mix with other speakers in a 2x12 or 4x12. Ballsy too.

[@needsLITHIUM]

Redbacks are my new favorite speaker. Mic it with an e609, e906, or B906 on the cap/cone boundary and a vocal mic or end address instrument mic on the middle of the cone, off axis, in a rough approximation of the Fredman technique. It partially cancels that 4 kHz harshness, while retaining enough to give it some bite. I like it with 5150 III/Iconic EL34, high gain Marshalloids, Orange, and Laney amps.

[@GolecLuka]

Love the Redback!

[@ZillaCabs]

It is a cool speaker for sure.

[@oRizho]

These videos are fantastic! I hope you guys got Nolly to talk about a ton of Celestion speakers, even the lesser used like the V-Type and Classic Lead or something :)

[@ZillaCabs]

Thanks mate, that's really kind of you. We did 18 speakers I think... got a treat for you with the Classic Lead, that was super interesting. We didn't get round to the Vtype unfortuantely.

[@NINEWALKING]

V type is a hidden gem for amplifiers that are top heavy and spiked. It’s voiced to sound vintage like but with less top end. It has that typical Celestion middle range I like. It mixes good with a bit scooped speakers and most of the heavy magnet speakers.

[@richardbrawn1019]

The Redback sounds soo good!

[@ZillaCabs]

It's a cool speaker. Thanks for watching.

[@Professional.Bro.777]

Here fo the riffs!

[@ZillaCabs]

Nolly's got riffs!

[@alrecks619]

by itself, the Redback is an absolute beast for something like Stoner Rock, Sludge and Doom Metal, whereas the V30 definitely complements the treble rolloff.

[@nunninkav]

exactly, if you are the Rythm guitarist for chug metal, this has too much mids and will bury everything else in the mix. if you play lead high gain, the red backs are better.

[@dazfarrell]

Sounds superb in the band mix. Top speaker.

[@-LSTR-]

Im gonna pair these up in a 4x12 with two V30's on top and two Redbacks in the bottom row. What I like about the Redbacks is thats it takes a while before they start distorting. They can handle pretty much anything you throw at them

[@siongunn4002]

Oh man! I've been using the Zilla Fatbaby Redback IR for basically everything since I got the GGD plugin. I ended up finding a Marshall JVM 1x12 combo with one of these in it and it just crushes everything I throw at it.

[@ZillaCabs]

Thanks mate, glad you're liking the cab pack.

[@nunninkav]

I LOVE the red series for high gain leads, it is so front of the mix and aggressive, while not abrasive. I like the 4k spike it makes it sound angrier, if you want to notch it just use the V30 which is a scooped mids speaker. if I have a 1 x12 and I play all high gain leads, this would be my speaker. If I was more diverse I would use a creamback as they sound gorgeous clean.

[@MetalheadOv666]

I have a redback and creamback 75 in a custom 212 I built and best combo I’ve had. Better than the v30/creamback 65 and a few other speakers and combos I’ve had

[@ZillaCabs]

That is a really cool mix for sure, nice and clean too.

[@UseTheSupeRsonic]

Zilla’s back!

[@ZillaCabs]

Thanks mate.

[@TheHkwe]

Redbacks forever. Have them in 4 of my cabs. 2x 212s and 2x 112s

[@ZillaCabs]

It's a great speaker for sure.

[@smalltownjon]

Are you using 8ohm or 16ohm version?

[@ZillaCabs]

@@smalltownjon 8ohms here.

[@journeymanbryan154]

👍🔥🔥 sounds like a good speaker

[@ZillaCabs]

Thanks for watching mate.

[@Fl4ppers]

To my ears this would work well for a Pantera tone. I was listening to demos of this about a year ago on the celestion site and the cleans were quite nice.

[@ZillaCabs]

Good shout.

[@Mr.Pink1996]

I'd love to know his thoughts on the Weber Gray Wolf

[@ZillaCabs]

I've been meaning to get some Weber stuff in, they are a cool speaker. Maybe we'll get one in the mix next time.

[@jacobbockover1628]

Pre reveal I like the A especially with a band

[@xsonicassassinx]

i'd like to hear a 16 ohm redback to see if it clears up some of the muddier mids. as well as comparing it to a k100 in this same way

[@CraigFlowersMusic]

I've never been a fan but don't dislike them. Just that roloff. I have a spair of vintage SRO 12s that do that as well, and just want to recone them with a smaller dustcap but then the value would plummet. Good voice but a touch blanketty. Might match great with a marshall though.

[@ZillaCabs]

I know what you mean but don't totally discount them, I think most people eventually find a place for them... eventually... sounds like you're looking at it the right way. Too many people just say a piece of gear is crap but its generally just not in the right place. Everyone here has a different view on the redback. Thanks for watching mate.

[@CraigFlowersMusic]

@@ZillaCabs Well masking never occurred to me. It’s possible that 4khz spike is simply masking highs that are there after all, plus it’s possible it really opens up with some juice. I’ve never heard more than 20 watts into one.

[@coobanez777]

Really enjoy how this speaker sounds. Does anybody have any Redback IR recommendations?

[@gigifara9312]

i really like this series

[@markolivares6943]

Red back sounds killer. I wonder how it will pair with a greenback??

[@russelw.6288]

Bandmix sounds geeat. Would’ve been great if the v30 would be shown in bandmix also

[@ZillaCabs]

We did toy with the idea, I think we'll probably do a special video on those.

[@russelw.6288]

@@ZillaCabs sick man. Keep up the good work!

[@bulletrider8893]

I am planning to buy two cabs to make full stack. Bottom cab is all h75 creamback loaded and top cab is all redback loaded. What do you think?

[@ZillaCabs]

Sounds good, what kind of stuff do you play and what models? Have you thought about specs? Anything I can do to help, just give us a shout.

[@bulletrider8893]

@@ZillaCabs I play heavy stuff. And what do you mean what model?? Y Do you mean your cab model?? If so, I am considering oversized cab.

[@ZillaCabs]

@@bulletrider8893 OK cool for heavier stuff you'll be better off with oversized cabs for sure.

[@ZillaCabs]

@@bulletrider8893 oh and I think that's a really nice mix of speakers for heavy stuff too, they cut through nice and have loads of body.

[@bulletrider8893]

@@ZillaCabs Thanks for the reply!! Your speaker demos are very helpful.

[@Fhlkx1]

The Redback has the edge like the v30 but a rounder/warmer sound

[@lovecraftmusic8717]

@ZillaCabs Hello, I'm looking for a vintage sounding metal speaker (think of the 80's)...I had bad luck with v30's + Jcm800 as it was too bright and harsh. Now I'm looking for a darker and smoother tone. What do you think it was used on Barry Goudreau's "Dreams", "Piece of mind" by Iron Maiden or "The skull" by Trouble? Another similar tone would be the on "Never neverland" by Annihilator. Thanks 🙂

[@dylanjastle]

New sub! Awesome content

[@ZillaCabs]

Excellent, thanks mate. Welcome aboard.

[@DarkItachi1]

I´d love to have the 1x12 you build for Mikko from MLsoundlab. But here is an alternativ Cab: Fatbaby Back: 3 Piece Tolex: Light Brown Western Stripes: none Grill: Wicker Pipe: Gold On Body Pipe: none Corners: Gold Metal Top Handle: Black Leather Side Handle: Black Badge: Gold Speakers: Redback Impedance: 8 Ohms Power Rating: 150 Watts Total weight: 20kg Cab Dimensions: 620x470x360mm

[@alexjh3456]

Nice! Are Redback and the new V30 actually mde in UK?

[@josearjona3728]

Redbacks are made in the UK for sure

[@NicDerricott]

I bought a 2x12 openback Ulbrick cab that so.eone had put an ev and a gold in. Sounds nice quiet but loud the with a boost the gold disappeared. Plan is to replace the gold with a redback... ill report back

[@ZillaCabs]

Cool, let us know how you get on.

[@stefanozurich]

Maybe I have hearing damage at 4k, but the redback sounded better to my ears.

[@ZillaCabs]

haha we all have hearing damage, that's actually a really good point. I am looking to do a video on it at some point. Getting our ears tested and building filters so we can hear what the other person hears (or some approximation).

[@andrewbecker3700]

The Celestion Redback would be limited by itself. But mixed with Greenbacks or Creambacks, depending on how easy you want breakup to come in? You could really dial in a cab proper with some experimenting. You'd almost certainly find the perfect balance of frequencies and power handling for any situation. V30's sound honky, hollow, and cheap.

[@NINEWALKING]

To be honest Redback was big surprise for me. I actually like how it sounds especially with little bit less gain than in this video. Sadly I do need it have it at home currently. To be honest that notching in PP makes it sound ordinary. It loses its character. Loses exact thing that makes it different. I think with so many new speakers launches back then I forgot about the Redback. Creamback speakers just took all of the focus.

[@willchug]

Omega VM12-65 please. 😊

[@mbgmail5911]

No

[@LucasLeCompteMusic]

I like red

[@ramilrodriguez8340]

I want to believe B is the red

[@BBfanfun]

sounds like random close mic positionning. so many ways to get "the right sound" out of even the most bland speaker, before pre-amp, eq & compression, find the right mic for the job & take the time to position properly. blend in another as needed (or not). there's no point in guessing which is which; can the performer make it work - yes or no ?

[@thorinbane]

B redback highs are more present.

[@ZillaCabs]

You're right. B is the redback.

[@ayeapprove]

Next up Seventy 80 - A REALLY UNDERRATED ONE!

[@ZillaCabs]

We did a load of speakers but unfortunately not that one. Maybe we'll have to do round two.

[@bruzanhd]

I liked option B better

[@GEX-_-]

Notch the evm12L same as the redback Your welcome

[@stewarttomkinson3356]

A is the red back

[@justsomerandomguyman]

Hate the Redback, personally. It's so dark and muffled sounding.

[@dalejacksonmo]

Not bad...Evm 12L sounded best

[@BBfanfun]

sounds like random close mic positionning. so many ways to get "the right sound" out of even the most bland speaker, before pre-amp, eq & compression, find the right mic for the job & take the time to position properly. blend in another as needed (or not). there's no point in guessing which is which; can the performer make it work - yes or no ?

[@ZillaCabs]

It's definitely not random mic positioning, I am sure there's a better placement for the mics on the Redback but that is subjective and would have introduced more inconsistencies/bias. Nolly owns GGD, he spends half his life micing gear. We talked through the plan of action, all the inconsistencies, biases to try and avoid and went from there. These tests are never 100% fair but there was nothing random here. Plus a lot of people preferred the Redback.