Is Modern Disney "better" than Old Disney?

Newer Disney movies get praise for doing things different from the older films. What does that imply exactly?
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[@nightgallows3483]

I feel like the "strong female lead" is overrated. I want dynamic characters. They don't have to be strong for me to like them.

[@404usernotfound_]

NightGallows That's what "strong female lead" means though. It doesn't mean they have be physically strong, just that they have well-developed arcs and character. A housewife can be a perfectly fine strong female lead, if written right. It's not your fault if you didn't know that though, it's companies and producers and writers who just don't get it. They think a strong character = literal strength. I.E. warriors or criminals (Those are the only examples I can think of, sorry 😂) It's actually a pretty upsetting misconception, if I'm honest. The idea that a (female) character can only be considered strong if they're "not reliant on any sort of man" or "uninterested in romance" or whatever, is completely ridiculous and needs to be destroyed. Sorry, I just wanted to say that XD

[@hannahlynn8028]

Totally agree!

[@NobodyC13]

For example, Izumi "Teacher" Curtis from Fullmetal Alchemist: alchemist, runs a butcher shop with her husband, and proudly calls herself a housewife to strangers. Yet is one of the few alchemists that can perform alchemy without a circle, can catapult monsters ten times her size, and practically raised the two lead characters as well as strike fear into them.

[@oooh19]

Yea but it's important to hear you don't need a man (or woman for that matter) to be happy or complete.

[@julijakeit]

Cinderella, Snowwhite, Ariel, Tiana, Pocahontas, Belle are all strong females. Strong female does not necessarily means strong in a masculine way. Feminine strength includes perseverance, integrity, kindness, dignity, hopefulness and many more traits. Snowwhite is kind, caring, persevering and positive despite the hardships at the hand of her stepmother who even tried to kill her, Ariel is kind, dignified and hopeful, also curious and stays true to her dreams despite being of different species (is there anyone beside me who thought it was hinted at interracial relationships as positive?) and had to give up everything she had to be part of the world she wanted, Pocahontas is kind, persevering, caring and brave despite her tribe being prejudiced, fearful and hateful (rightfully) of the newcomers, Belle is kind, hopeful, brave, caring and dignified despite losing her freedom and dreams to save her father, Tiana is hard working, kind, hopeful and persevering despite being discriminated, poor and turned into an amphibian! In contrast, the princesses who had strong male characteristics like Merida and Elsa are not memorable on their own.

[@LeeAllanSpades]

I have found that the villains in more recent disney movies are not physical characteristics, but more existential concepts. Zootopia's villain wasn't Ms. Bellweather, it was prejudice and racism. She was just the physical representation of that concept. Frozen had the fear of the unknown, with Elsa's ice powers, and Moana was pretty much an environmental message. Villains are less memorable because they serve as set pieces for the bigger picture.

[@BestiaIustitia]

Laura Rodemich I agree with you ... except for frozen because Elsa is shave baked song,dress and somehow a character. She literally does nothing rational for NO reason. No do not just run to your room run to the mountains build an ice palace and sing a song. Also she just kinda controls her powers when she needs to so uh

[@askatuproductions]

Zootopia didn't need a physical representation of prejudice though, the message was pretty clear since the beginning. And both Judy's and Nick's past revolves around it.

[@SaraSong-mw3zm]

INTO THE UNKNOWN (i am so sorry i had to do it)

[@miimiiandco]

@@BestiaIustitia Well, she was told to hide her powers and stay away from Anna. She hasn't seen anyone since their parents' death. Add on that the coronation (still needing to hide her powers), Anna getting into a mess with Hans, and the public demonizing her, it'd make sense that she'd run away from the world - running from fear, rather than confronting it. She wants to ensure no harm to come to anyone, and not being near anyone is a good way at accomplishing this. Sure, her actions weren't rational, but I find that they're justifiable from the perspective of Elsa. As the Rock Trolls said: "people make bad choices when they're mad or scared or stressed."

[@learn2draw716]

I think villains are too simplistic anyway.

[@marijkecuffe5488]

Not to mention Cinderella's dress was originally her mother's. This alone makes the dress ripping scene so much more than the collection blasting scene.

[@ginauccelatore3002]

true! it might be the only thing she had from her mother

[@MrGabeanator]

true

[@MrGabeanator]

@Just a Maybe you almost never do

[@immstarry7175]

Yeah because really...that stuff that Ariel had was temporary not permanent Cinderella’s mother’s dress was permanent because you can’t remake your dead mother’s dress because it’s technically not her dress anymore

[@MrGabeanator]

@@immstarry7175 true

[@AurelUrban]

I love the old Disney movies. They were very atmospheric and imaginative. And while the princesses didnt have that much spotlight, they werent as inactive and naive as people like to remember. Snow White was actually a great role model, she was kind and compassionate and caring, despite growing up hated and shunned. The Evil Queen literally tried to kill her and she had to run away into the woods to save herself, yet people blame her for hiding with the dwarves and not being heroic. She felt like an actual human being when she broke down and cried after running into the woods. The story wasnt about defeating evil or standing up to your abusors, it was about finding new happiness in life, staying positive even when you have nothing left, and creating your own home and family. Also she didnt just run away with a guy she just met. Her and the Prince were already in love at the beginning of the movie, the "kiss of true love" was more like a reunion than a first meeting. Sleeping Beauty is a bit different case. It was similar to Alladin, just not fully embracing it. The whole story was more about the three fairies and Prince Eric than anyone else. Aurora didnt do much, because she wasnt actually the protagonist. Even in the original story of Sleeping Beauty, the prince is the protagonist, and we learn about the tragic past of the castle covered in wild roses through him. The characters that actually learn a lesson and change, are the three fairies. And this isnt anything bad. The movie isnt exactly making any strong moral point or being progressive, but its still telling a great story very well, with memorable style and visuals. You couldnt possibly mistaken any frame from Sleeping Beauty for any other movie, thats how unique its style is. And Cinderella is a strong female character and a far better role model than most of the renessaince era princesses, even modern era ones. Sure, the ideals of its time are present in the movie, but anyone who says Cinderella is a passive character that does nothing to earn her happiness, simply didnt pay enough attention to the movie. A lot of people praise Cinderella II for making Cinderella herself more active in her own story. But the thing is, Cinderella was already plenty active and well rounded in the original movie. In the sequel, there was simply more action overall. The story changed from "dealing with emotional trauma and abusive household while trying to grasp the one chance to break free" to a "plain action movie about getting through ridiculous dangerous scenarios to get to a guy". Im not saying these movies are perfect, but there is definetely more to them than people nowdays give them credit for, if you just look more closely, see them for what they truly are and stop comparing them to todays standards of princess movies.

[@KopaXTani]

Marína Urbanová To be honest, Snow White kind of grew on me after not being a fan of hers simply because I initially grew up with the Renaissance princesses. The reason being as I’ve grown older, and seen other interpretations of her as in Once Upon a Time and Snow White and the Huntsman, I realized her innocent personality is kinda cute and not necessarily a bad thing with her age and initial upbringing. Even if Merida is the same age as she is. She is still my least favorite Disney Princess however, and only because she still rhymes in anything she’s featured in that’s not necessarily rated G, or in some cases E.

[@JaelinBezel]

I dunno, I still think Maid Marion and Tigerlilly (if Pocahontas qualifies...) are still pretty flat and passive.

[@jostockton.]

ALL OF THIS. The Walt era critics don't appear to have ever seen the old movies because their arguments never make sense and are usually outright sexist or victim blaming (Cinderella "took" abuse, she sat around waiting for a man, Snow was stupid and a doormat, etc). I would also argue Aurora is a good role model. She teaches kids you can respect your guardians even if you don't agree with or understand their rules they give you, to have dignity and not let sorrow keep you from doing what's right (ie finding out your life is a lie, your parents didn't actually abandon you, the one person you had a serious emotional non familial connection with you can never see again, you have to marry a stranger and rule a country... That would be tough!).

[@kieranstark7213]

See that, people?! That's what's wrong with today's generation! We are forced to believe that the Disney Princesses that came before Princess Belle are the best Disney Princesses (instead of Moana, Mulan, Tiana and even Belle) are not inactive, naive nor one-dimensional. CellSpex was right to be critical towards Frozen. And its main characters are really two-dimensional. On a personality quiz that some jackass made, I chose (after testing that quiz) that I was frozen to death for disliking Frozen. Sure, Frozen is not extremely bad, hell, it's even a meh movie, but it's still not passable with the cliches and anti-feminism which it endorses having. Disney Princesses that came before the 90s FTL! The Seven Dwarves, Maleficent and Ursula the Sea Witch FTW, speaking of pre-90s Disney Princess movies. Do NOT disrespectfually disagree with us on that.

[@nspcrazy1122]

Cody Hines Tiger Lily is from Peter Pan.

[@stephenbrown4698]

There is also the time period to take into account for the differences between older and newer Disney movies. The older movies (from about 1930-1970) took place during a VERY tragic era. The 30’s has the Great Depression, the 40’s had World War II, the 50’s-60’s had the Cold War, and the 70’s-ish had the beginnings of the Vietnam War. America in particular was going through some tough times, so movies (particularly animated ones) were seen as escapist experiences. They didn’t need to reflect reality, they needed to be cheerful and make people happy to get them through some tough times. There is certainly tragedy these days (9/11, Persian Gulf War, etc), but there’s significantly less than there used to be. Therefore, movies can be more down to earth and have the characters behave like real people (tying into the humanization of villains, even). Even ignoring things like stereotypes being used, the time period had a huge impact on the tone of these movies.

[@stephenbrown4698]

Katie Lewis Thanks

[@MrBluejack45]

The 70s were the closing of the Vietnam War era.

[@michellegonzales5271]

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[@michellegonzales5271]

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[@swanpride]

In the context of their time period, a lot of those older Disney movies are actually fairly progressive. Even Song of the South. We shouldn't forget that when the movie was released, "Mommy" from Gone of the Wind was along the line of how African Americans were portrayed on the big screen. Having a movie in with a black title character from a major studio was actually a pretty big deal back then.

[@brentparker7359]

I gotta disagree about Ariel's stuff being "just stuff." It's very symbolic to Ariel. It represents her connection to the human world, which she perceives as being more free than the ocean ruled by her father. When Triton destroys it, to her, it essentially means that she can never be free of her father's control.

[@sori_osori_]

"Just because certain cliches are get subverted or mocked, doesn't mean that those cliches are inherently bad" cough cough *Cinemansins* cough cough

[@frankromano8510]

Thank you

[@FanOfAnimation]

I feel like with the Disney villains, I feel the last great ones were Dr. Facilier, Mother Gothel and debatably King Candy.

[@delsucksatgames4926]

FanOfAnimation I'd put King Candy above Mother Gothel personally. Don't get me wrong. She was a good villain for the movie, but she was kind of dull to watch. King Candy was just so much more fun to watch.

[@seacliff217]

King Candy was the only 'Twist Villian' that I can actually say I liked, mostly because he had good moments before the twist. I can't say that for Frozen, Zootopia, or Moana.

[@em.the.awful.waffle]

What about Tamatoa?

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Moana actually was the first Disney film in a long time where a villain wasn’t even in it. Yes, that twist with the giant volcano rock lady proves it so it actually did shake things up.

[@toocoldtobother7271]

FanOfAnimation preach!

[@whatdoyousuppose]

Can I play Devil’s Advocate about the Ariel scene for a minute? I think Triton destroying Ariel’s grotto is so devastating to her because it’s not about the stuff. It was never about the stuff. She’s “the girl who has everything”, she doesn’t need any more stuff. Yes she just sang a whole song about how she “wants more”, but the “more” is not a tangible item but actually getting to live life as a human. Before ever meeting a human or falling in love with one, might I add! Everyone always forgets that Part of Your World is not about Eric! He’s not even in the picture yet! This has been a lifelong dream of Ariel’s. She places more value on the human world than her own, and her stuff represents that. When her father destroys her grotto, I mean not only is it YEARS of human stuff she’s sacrificed life and limb to collect (remember the shark chase? she risks her life for a dinglehopper!), but moreso it’s that he outright rejects her ideas about humans. Her falling in love with a human was the straw that broke the camel’s back, the ultimate betrayal to him, but to her it was one step closer to self-actualizing the dream she’s always had of living in a world she feels she truly belongs in. This goes beyond reprimanding, it’s almost like he disowns her (though you can see an ounce of regret on his face as he leaves, which she doesn’t see because she’s sobbing). That’s what’s most devastating, that’s what she’s really sad about. Her dreams are shattered. She’s at the lowest of her lows. A perfect opportunity for a villain who knows her plight to take advantage of her and grant her wish (with some minor stipulations, which she can overlook because of what just happened to her, plus the manipulation). Ariel truly deserves better. She gets way too much flack imho. The girl is an anthropologist, heavily invested in scouting and researching a culture she’s not even allowed to participate in, but one she knows is truly good. Yes she isn’t perfect. But if she were, she wouldn’t be so compelling. She doesn’t have to be perfect to be valid. I think all of the Disney Princesses, old & new & in between, have something to be admired within each one of them. It’s not worth it to bash one to praise another, to me it’s apples and oranges. You can have personal preferences, but you can’t deny the facts of the character to confirm your own biases. That’s all I wanted to say, really liked the vid in general :)

[@feedfancier]

"Are newer Disney movies better than older movies?" Short answer: No. Long answer:NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

[@zonx87]

Nice Escapist reference.

[@jakeystarsuper]

I like the new movies

[@practicingwitch4277]

JakeyStar 2017 I see why but older ones are more nostalgic and just magical and they give you a feeling that makes you feel more like a child now I love the new movies but I will always like the older movies and that is only my opinion

[@matheus5230]

JakeyStar 2017 I like also, what doesn't make them better than Walt-Era movies

[@orcadeeastudios]

XD Yes!

[@KiwiNinjaBlast]

To add to the comparison of the Little Mermaid and Cinderella scenes: also keep in mind that the dress was something left behind to her by her DECEASED MOTHER. They basically destroyed her most important keepsake of the only good time in her life.

[@adde9506]

I think it's strange to harsh on Aroura for not being a 'strong female lead.' She doesn't even know there's a conflict. She's just having a Tuesday until they tell her she's a princess and whisk her off to the castle. Where she's promptly hypnotized and dropped into a coma. At what point did she have the chance to be 'strong' or any reason to do so? Sure, she could have run away when her guardians told her she couldn't see the boy they didn't know was Phillip, but it's actually normal for her to have flopped on the bed crying first. She didn't have time to get defiant against the guardians she'd never before had reason to defy. And she's probably been dreaming about having other people in her life for her entire life; she's been denied one in favor of many and that has to be a strong lure for her. Yes, the movie happens to her, but it's not a deficit to her character that it does. Not to mention: AROURA IS NOT THE PROTAGONIST. She's a secondary character, entitling her to have less development. She seems like the protagonist because of the Disney Princess marketing strategy that she was shoehorned into, and the tiny cast of the movie. The Fairies are the joint protagonists, and their pretty awesome.

[@ShyGuyXXL]

How harmful are characters like the crows from Dumbo really? Sure, they are caricatures, but they aren't unlikable. In fact, I straight-up love 'em! I love how they talk, I love how they sing, I love how they dance, I love how fun-loving and carefree they are, I love that they're not just there to make fun of Dumbo, they actually help him after they have a change of heart. They're the ones who actually get Dumbo to fly. Now, I didn't live in the 40s, so I have no idea how real black folks talked or acted back then but if the crows are anything to go by, then I would've loved to hang out with people like them back in the day. I guess what I'm trying to say is not every stereotype is a negative stereotype. If they had JUST been assholes and nothing else, then I could understand the outrage, but like this? Not really.

[@stephenbrown4698]

ShyGuyXXL While I also find the crows enjoyable characters, stereotypes make assumptions on how a person behaves based solely on a label, like race, sex, religion, etc. Even if the label isn’t directly harmful (like the cheerful attitude of the crows or Asians being good at math), it indirectly builds expectations that some people of that label can’t achieve. I had an Chinese friend who was terrible at math. His math skills were below average and because of that, he had to deal with people thinking he was good at math solely because he was Chinese. Again, as enjoyable as I find the crows (they’re probably the most likable characters in Dumbo), stereotyping in of itself can be very dangerous, even if the stereotype isn’t something immediately negative.

[@odinoco]

I didn't even know they were supposed to "represent black people" until the internet told me

[@ShyGuyXXL]

+Stephen Brown Of course, assuming something about someone because of a stereotype is dumb. But not everyone thinks that way. I know that stereotypes are just stereotypes and so do most people. But some people are just ignorant. But I don't know if we should never use stereotypes (regardless of what they are) because of that. I mean, if someone is ignorant enough to believe all asians are good at math, I think that will be the least of their problems. I've never met a reasonable person who assumed a stereotype was true about someone they didn't know. But the thing is, thinking a stereotype MAY be true is a different matter. Stereotypes don't come out of nowhere. The stereotype that asians are good at math exists because they are good at it *on average.* At least compared to other parts of the world. So acknowledging that this stereotype is more likely than not going to be accurate is not the same as thinking it's accurate every single time. I know what it's like to be the butt of the joke, when it comes to stereotypes. I'm a fat guy, and I'm not a fan of fat guy stereotypes either, but... ...I still think they should have a place. They should be allowed to exist in our media. Some may be in bad taste, some may be all in good fun, but that should be up to the writers. We can say we like it or don't like it, but we shouldn't go like "This shouldn't even exist!" Instead, I think we should encourage characters that break away from the stereotypes who can exist alongside the stereotypes. We shouldn't create a media world where no stereotypes are ever true, instead we should create one where sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. Just like in real life. After all, the people you mentioned who assumed your friend was good at math, now that they've met an asian who isn't good at it, they may think twice next time they meet another asian. I don't like that almost every fat guy on TV or in videogames is either stupid, gross, lazy, or all three, but instead of removing them, we should create and celebrate characters who are fat and smart, dilligent, pleasant, or all three. ^^ Positive fat characters in general. For example, one of my favourite videogame characters growing up was Wario, since he wasn't just a stereotype. He was a badass treasure hunter who got shit done with pure force. Sadly, in recent years he has become more and more of a stereotype, to the point where he's even known for farting a lot, even though that was never meant to be part of his character. -_- So this bothers me not because another stereotype was born, but rather because a stereotype subversion was lost. U_U But I digress.

[@ShyGuyXXL]

+Charlie Odinoco There's nothing that indicates it besides their voices. So if you're watching a dub from a different country then you would never know.

[@stephenbrown4698]

ShyGuyXXL Of course there’s a time and place for stereotypes to be used. As harmful as they can be, there certainly are times where they can be used. But they’re very difficult to use effectively since for the most part, they’re used quite lazily.

[@1EvilDoctor]

I recently watched Bambi, and the thing that really struck me was how little dialogue there was in the film. It was almost all visuals and music.

[@AnimatedAntic]

You know, I think that most of Disney's movies are great both old and new. There's only 12 out of the 56 movies that I would want to skip.

[@nathan8569]

What would those 12 movies be?

[@BestiaIustitia]

Here’s my 12 12.frozen 11.frozen 10.frozen 9.frozen 8.frozen 7.frozen 6.frozen 5.frozen 4.frozen 3.frozen 2.frozen Aaand nuber one Frozen Can you tell I don’t like frozen

[@jclkaytwo]

@@BestiaIustitia yet chicken little gets a pass?

[@sillygoosetaur]

@@BestiaIustitia I love frozen It’s just been over saturated as fuck

[@goodvillain1015]

The problem I have with the modern Disney movies is that they're insistent on acknowledging and subverting Disney cliches like Frozen's "You can't marry a man you just met" and Moana's "You wear a dress and you have an animal sidekick." They're basically saying, "We know those cliches and we're not gonna use them." Show, don't tell. Just because you acknowledge the cliches, doesn't mean you're not undoing it nor are you being special about it. Look at Mulan (not including sequels), it didn't have to tell us Mulan is not gonna marry Shang in the dialogue, they showed us. And I find it ironic to those that complain about force romances demand a girlfriend for Elsa because lesbians; you're literally demanding a force romance only in lesbian form, how is that better?

[@BellaTheDollie]

Exactly! Disney is so eager to slam the critics and scream "SEE WE'RE TELLING YOU THAT NOTHING LIKE WE WERE BEFORE!". The delivery of the trope subversion is very on the nose.

[@SomeRandomDude000000]

seems like disneys in a bind. They're ashamed of making princess movies but those are their biggest money maker.

[@thisaccountisembarrassingi4429]

Oh, but begging for Elsa to get a girlfriend is better because now that it's an LGBT+ couple, it's ~PROGRESSIVE~! Never mind the fact that, hypothetically speaking, the girlfriend would not be interesting, or the romance would be forced and contrived, or it has the potential to lead to a painful subplot with derails Elsa's character. Making these cliches involve LGBT+ characters automatically fixes them because representation, don'tcha know?!

[@starrsmith3810]

In some ways yes but Snow White and Cinderella are some strong female characters. Physically? No. But mentally yes. They went through some shit, got through it, and stayed true to themselves People want a strong female character but they fail to realize making them interesting is just as important Me personally I don’t care if it’s old or new, just give me a good movie

[@Liam_Mellon]

The scene in the Little Mermaid affected me more as a kid, the scene in Cinderella affects me more as an adult.

[@williamcrowe2576]

It wasn't just ethnic stereotypes in the old Disney movies that came under fire. There were also alcohol, drug, and tobacco references. Underage drinking and smoking were big taboos, especially in the Pleasure Island scene from Pinocchio. I mean, that wasn't exactly sasperilla they were drinking. That was most likely Four Loco.

[@Shalalacls]

This is... a great video. Great talking points, and it's nice to see a female youtuber defending the old Disney way. Frankly, I feel the same. When I was little (very little) my favorite movie was Sleeping Beauty. I loved the music, I loved the drawings, and it was pretty funny. I'd watch it on repeat for days. But it didn't make me into some 50s girl who only thinks about having a man to rescue her. In 1998 Mulan came out, and THAT became my favorite movie. It had the same things Sleeping Beauty had (compelling music, funny lines, fantastic animation) plus the badass female protagonist. That made the difference, and at 6 years old I was able to tell (not in those terms, more like a "girl uses sword and shoots rockets me like" kind of way). So yes, the key is differentiating. Children are not as stupid as modern parents make them to be.

[@spencerpetunia8268]

Sleeping Beauty used to be MY favorite Disney movie for the same reasons you described! I just love that art style and the Tchaikovsky-based music! Mulan's also one of my favorite Disney films, though I haven't watched it in years. A bit more recently I gave Sleeping Beauty a watch and it's definitely held up for me.

[@memicoot]

Good point about the fairies - they are really likeable, engaging older female characters which, as you said, is really rare if you're not a villain. Which is just so messed up. I also agree that not every movie needs to have a romantic aspect... plenty of life stories happen everyday that don't involve any romance. It's also weird to push that message on young children so forcefully.

[@grimslyclan9466]

I learned more from the old disney movies than the ones of today. I think the political drama has also weighed things down heavily. I'm not a strong person (mentally or physically) so seeing a strong female lead doesn't automatically make me relate to her. I wanted to be a princess when I was little, and there are still little girls that want to be princesses, but now they kinda cast that aside. Old disney taught me there are evils of the world, some more obvious than others. They taught me to be kind and follow my dreams, but also that everything happens for a reason. Sure plot twist villains bring out that there can be a villain behind every smile, but having it repeated gets boring and not everyone is going to pretend to be your friend at first. People will be mean because of jealousy, greed, or just to be overall mean. I'd love to see a disney movie where they have the main antagonist as a plot twist villain, but still has a villain that is mean....just to be mean. Like those old disney films that I miss so much. (Also, yest this is late.)

[@BREAD-nc7pp]

**sees title** **gets ready to defend Mulan with my life**

[@slashermaster28]

2:45- The irony is that 'When You Wish Upon a Star' always meant that. I guess it was too subtle for parents to pick up on. As much as I love The Princess and the Frog, I admit I'm not a fan of how many times they hammer that 'hard work is good' lesson into your skull during the first half.

[@LowellLucasJr.]

Are new better than old? No. Can new be appreciated like classics? Yes. Could old return? I hope.

[@soartely8490]

THANK YOU for summing up everything I think about this topic ! I love you !!

[@jemrules1154]

I just rewatched this video and realized that nearly every modern CG Disney or Pixar film has had a twist villain. Even Coco (Which is still a very good film) has the twist villain in Ernesto. Disney and Pixar REALLY need to take a break from this cliché, as its getting old fast.

[@ravenwolf2220]

When I was younger, I watched sleeping beauty a ridiculous amount, not because I liked Aurora (I could barely remember her name) but because the fairies and Maleficent were the best.

[@ray-rayrambles3263]

I'm early so imma make a joke O h w a i t i m n o t f u n n y

[@QuincySeagull]

Ravenheart17 AJ for that to work you have to put 2 spaces between each word or else it just looks like “ohwaitimnotfunny”

[@jkseraphim4]

it's okay. I am not funny too. but I can be unintentionally funny.

[@bagelsaredonutswithoutambi7113]

Whoever keeps liking these types of comments, stop

[@mevrouwasshat4041]

Ray-Ray Rambles damn right you aren't

[@Sammyyaam]

This is the first time I've seen someone talk about the "plot twist" villains in the newer Disney movies. Thank you! I hope we get a classic Disney villain someday in the future. Someone everyone can cosplay, sing the songs of, and add to the main Disney Villains lineup.

[@ForeverFortyOnee]

It's proven that the old Disney stand the test of time. Most of the classics are more than 30, 50 or 80 years old but are still appreciated up to this day. There's just a refined quality to it that has so much rewatch value.

[@SaraSong-mw3zm]

Even though I know this isnt a twist villian video but I just really want to say on how King Candy had a good one and that him actually being Turbo made sence. So they keep on using the phrase dont go turbo and use it as like a constant phrase and having Turbo hijacking a racing game does makes sence and with his past experince of the racing game he put out he was able to get a grip on sugar rush without crashing it. And to be honest it does make sence on how Vanellope reversed him back into his turbo state. So because of his actions he turned Vanellope into a glitch so for when she gets excited in some form or just on command she glitches. So when her and King Candy are both holding the metal rod she gets upset and there fourth excited and messes up the code he made for himself because that just kinda shows that she was suppose to be in the game plus she always saying (its in my code) I was just wanting to say this goodbye! :D AND HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY

[@perrobang8925]

I think what i miss the most were the more epic disney villain songs in my opinion. So of course they would have to take those away to hide the reveal of the villian in later movies. That i understand. But I guess if I want to watch those, I would look at every other live film that have actors. The best thing about animation was you could do anything you wanted so having something grandiose was very spectacular to see especially with villains. Like yeah we knew they were the villians but that's why we loved them so much. I didn't like playing the game that much on guessing who the villain was throughout the entire movie. (except a couple on occasion such as Wreck-it-Ralph).That's just my opinion.

[@briannalee1998]

Disney’s reinsurance in the 90’s is my favorite Disney era. Not just because I grew up with them, it because they each had protagonists with big personalities, great villains, great stories, and fantastic animation! The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, Hunchback of Norte Dame, Hercules, and Mulan are my favorite Disney movies for sure. Cinderella is from the original era of Disney, not my favorite due to the under developed characters, but Cinderella is also one of my favorites. This sweet girl overcame domestic abuse for Gods sake!

[@TheFirstHurrah]

I just feel the need to argue your dismissal of the Triton-ruining-Ariel's-stuff-scene in The Little Mermaid. Yes, Cinderella's scene was emotional because the dress was her mother's and represented her one chance of escaping her life, but Ariel's stuff was where her strongest interests lied and represented her dreams and years (?) of work finding, collecting, and organizing those items. And she had to do so alone, secretly, because her ideas about the human world weren't shared by anybody else. Triton destroying them confirmed to her that there was truly nobody in Atlantica that understood her or her ideas or who was going to even bother to try (her own father wouldn't!). It's why I get so mad at people who say Ariel is a bad role model because 'she gave up her whole life for a guy.' *No,* Ariel didn't accept Ursula's help because of Eric. Ariel was *already* interested in the human world before Eric, and she had no plans to go to Ursula after him. She accepted Ursula's 'help' (reluctantly, actually) only after what Triton did made her realize there was nothing left for her in Atlantica and maybe she'd find in the human world a place where she'd belong. Removing Eric from the story would change the plot but not much concerning Ariel's decisions. Also, I personally find that scene very emotional because growing up, I'd regularly have things that I loved thrown out without my knowledge by my grandparents because they decided I was 'too old for them' or 'didn't need/have room for them anymore.' So I don't deny I'm projecting a bit but it wasn't just 'stuff' to me and it wasn't just 'stuff' to Ariel either. And Cinderella's scene doesn't make me sad; it actually makes me a bit angry at her for just standing there and allowing them to do that to her.

[@AyaanKhan-ce7xe]

Modern Disney movies are just more interesting. I do prefer hand drawn movies to Disney’s 3D movies (excluding Pixar.) I feel like nostalgia clouds people’s judgement when looking at the old movies. My favorite Disney princess movies are probably Princes and the frog, Mulan, and probably Tangled .

[@GhostPlanetFilms]

*I. BLOODY. LOVE YOU!!!* I'M SO HAPPY YOU MADE THIS! {Also, I'm glad to see someone else bringing up the "twist villain" trope Disney started; it was POIFECT for King Candy and Hans, but after Zootopia, I fear this subversion is gonna go down the crapper FAST!}

[@daelen.cclark]

The way I see it: Wreck-it-Ralph is a modern fairy tale in the making. Especially when there’s an understanding of the world having traits just for the sake of it like fairy tales do, with the update of the female character truly finding what she wants in life.

[@pippo17173]

It's good to see that people like you know how the old films works as in this modern day, it's suddenly taboo to talk about this.

[@tofuny8440]

One of the main things I got from this was that the older Disney had more menacing/exaggerated villains and were more "style over substance." The newer Disney focuses more on character development and story, which I also appreciate since those components are really what makes people emotionally connected to a movie. A lot of people say they miss the old Disney simply because of it's nostalgia factor, and it's a trend nowadays to bash on the new generation.

[@ithinkflutterawesome6511]

Also Disney should go back to 2D animation. It’s more visually pleasing and good art ages well, while CGI will be outdated in a few years. And they can definitely afford it.

[@jman2856]

Regarding the villains, perhaps newer Disney is just getting better with the main characters that they don’t need an over the top two dimensional bad guy to carry the movie.

[@optimisms]

I remember when I was a little kid not remembering a lot about the snow white, cinderella, and sleeping beauty movies, but the one thing i never forgot was the scene where they rip off cinderella's dress. even as a little kid that scene cut me to the core, it's awful

[@memeyo42]

1:51 But that's the best part. All those random dance parties and drunk dreams are the funniest and best moments in the movies cuz let's face it people, Random will always, be number 1 in everything. Cuz random is weird and weird is awesomely great and funny.

[@alexthebudgie9071]

I’m gonna say this now. When I become a parent, I am definitely going to show my child/ren almost every Disney film. Modern and old. I grew up with Disney and I love them to this day. Also, I want to see the old Disney film villain style, in CGI.

[@duckydae]

I still stand by the fact that Sleeping Beauty is one of the most artistic films I’ve ever scene.

[@steamboatwill3.367]

indeed it is, but the plot needed more work.

[@nvwest]

Unpopular opinion incoming: I still like Pocahontas and the Natives in Peter Pan. And that song at the credits... We had a Disney cd and zip-a-dee-doo-da was my favourite song on that cd. I hadn’t seen the movie though. Also, this was a great video.

[@LoverOfStuff]

9:37 right here, the Lego Movie 2 ad popped up, and I thought for a second you were gonna talk about it.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

disney needs more competition.

[@-vira-6422]

I was in the little mermaid musical and the songs were so memorable I think part of that world is my favorite Disney song

[@latraviusblanton5946]

Where my 90s babies at

[@kelleyceccato7025]

I realize I'm way late to the party, but thank you for this video; I especially like the point about the impact of the dress-tearing scene in Cinderella; all these years later, it's still a gut-punch. I also appreciate the point about non-Disney Western animation studios really needing to step up their game when it comes to making movies with female central characters. Even three years later, it's STILL true that Disney all but has the female-protagonist market cornered. One of the many reasons I love "Wolfwalkers" so much is that I finally got to see a brilliant animated movie with a female central character -- two of them, in fact! -- that looked and felt like neither anime nor Disney. I crave more movies like it.

[@AlphabetCookie]

The old ones are so much better it makes me sad that they don't do it like that anymore.

[@RM-cn8pw]

They DO. You simply don’t want to acknowledge it.

[@supergirlysofia3054]

Just pause at 1:37 Isn't that the most beautiful image ever? It's so heavenly, and makes it look like they are going to heaven

[@JOEMAMA-te3ru]

Man, Princess and the Frog has always been one of my favorite Disney movies, and I really like the computer animated movies aswell, but I do miss the older style

[@daboi8734]

I like both

[@kev3d]

"Is Modern Disney "better" than Old Disney?" -No

[@phil6748]

As someone who comes from a place where voodoo is normal the villain in the princess and the frog is fucking terrifying

[@gulorful8488]

I forgot King Trident destroyed Ariels thingies. In fact, I don't think I ever remembered that happening outside of people saying it happened. This may be because I haven't watched it in years but it still goes to show how unimportant that scene was in the narrative.

[@tigerseye1002]

I don't know why, But Scar from The Lion King reminds me of Tiger'Star from Warrior Cats

[@eyjagnau2141]

I prefer the non-CGI Disney movies. My favorite Disney movie by far is The Hunchback of Notre Dame.

[@eyjagnau2141]

The 90s had some of the best Disney films.

[@blakebluedragon]

Cinderella 3 was actully really good

[@TheKersey475]

Interestingly enough, the channel "Just Write" did a video titled "How CGI Transformed Animated Storytelling" directly talking about how CGI shifted the focus and direction of animated Disney movies (Disclaimer: For the sake of clarification, when he and I use the words "Conservative" and "Liberal", we're going by literal dictionary definitions (Conservative: Stay the same, Liberal: Change) NOT political). Short Version: Hand-drawn Disney had more "conservative" fairy tale themes about things being restored to their rightful place as it fits in with static backgrounds and reusing animations (For example: Think of how many hand-drawn Disney movies end with the setting getting brighter and returning to the colors in the beginning of the movie?). In contrast, CGI Disney tend to be more "liberal" allegories with the outsider/misfit protagonist changing her/his society for the better as the CGI allows more fluidity, creativity, and movement. Video link; kzbin.info/www/bejne/naa0q4eoZr5-apI

[@myself2noone]

TheKersey475 Liberal doesn't mean change. It means freedom.

[@odinoco]

I'm latino and I have never cared about the whole representation argument, specifically talking about animation before, it was a visual experience, so the characters themselves serve as placeholders for investment, not as tokens, thus their race is is inconsequential. And nowadays, the character is made relatable trough their struggle, not their physical traits, so you care about them because you want to go along with their journey.

[@KossolaxtheForesworn]

would think there is more than enough diversity in some movies already. I mean sci-fi and fantasy movies especially. in sci-fi we have all sort of aliens who are of whatever color, shape and gender or genderless. then there is fantasy where is fairies, werewolfs, hobbits, wizards, all kinda creatures with different cultures and life styles. if anything, in those settings diversity in humans is gonna be more than forced. I dont care if there is other than white people, but I think having human culture be the same across the races in such a diverse setting is better idea than trying to add everything just so all possible made up genders and cultures of the world get represented in a setting where its completely unnecessary.

[@STWear1]

Father of a 4yo girl here. My biggest nitpick with modern Disney movies is that they're so focused on finding ways to implement these "complex and modern day-problem based plot" that they feel overwhelming for children. Most often than not, children won't understand that they should be careful with the supposed prince charming that knocks at their door. Which, is not to say that this is bad, it's quite the opposite. These images being on the back of children's mind while they grow, can certainly help them identify these problems on the real world. But now, the movies seems to have fallen for the "beautiful for children, deep for adults" thematic

[@linkzellda]

I have not problem with romance as long it's done right.

[@farahahmad9239]

Me too!

[@gjones9282]

Ikr

[@spookyho5994]

Same

[@vibing6530]

I agree

[@hoc1992]

Thank You

[@cakecrumb095]

Thank you for stating that Snow White is a kind but stern leader figure. She rarely gets credit for that. Honestly, even Aurora (as underdeveloped as she was) have some modern traits that make her interesting. She was coy and excitable, and you could see she had a strong sense of duty. Cinderella was a fricken champ, dealing with her step-family without going insane. Older Disney movies, especially the princesses don't get enough praise.

[@ginauccelatore3002]

YES !!!!!!! and even little girls (alice, wendy...) get little credit for being so brave

[@carlinalinares6401]

[@JPLEYONKO4]

@Rizzo Grant uhh. Preach

[@glenbe4026]

@@ginauccelatore3002 Yes. Animated Alice was much closer to book Alice than Burton Alice. Book Alice is a strong determined character out to change her circumstances. She is proactive. Burton's Alice is all the cliche"s about modern "strong female characters". We are told she is strong whilst she is one of the most passive characters in the story.

[@phineassss4901]

Elsa is still the best.

[@mullerpotgieter]

Yeah. The old Disney villains were usually over the top, but they were dripping with personality. My personal favorite would be Frolo from Hunchback, who also sings Hellfire (my favorite Disney song). I love how convinced he is of his own purity and justice, but suffers self doubt from his attraction to Esmeralda.

[@ZGuy0fSci]

Agreed, along with Scar (to a point) and a few many good others, Who really if you think about it perhaps are not always so in the wrong about everything they believe, but past so much their choice of paths and actions to get their... And So Too Yet how upon that point, *"Shadow Play" MLP Season 7 Thoughts?* ^~^ - and the danger of self-assuming one self as the "Good Guys" who can do no wrong, eh

[@mullerpotgieter]

I think we love Scar because he's so flamboyant

[@aidanad95]

Agreed. The renaissance period had a balance of great character and villain. Shame that after Tangled, every movie afterwards consist of a plot-twist-villains.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

To be fair, the 2010’s have been a great comeback decade for Disney after that miserable time that was the mid 2000’s where they almost gave up hand drawn animated films, were focusing more on teenage junk and making CG a bigger animation deal, it’s nice to know they’re bringing back 2D animation more, not being too much dependent on teenager shows and even mocking their own tropes.

[@thebeavpercabethftw9604]

I thought Shadow Play was a pretty good finale. It's been awhile since we had a new male villain. The Pony of Shadows has a cool design and is basically the MLP version of Venom. I see both parties as being in the wrong. The Pillars should have not jumped the gun and instead of sulking Stygian should have just went back to the castle and explained what he was doing.

[@greenhairedfae]

additionally, Cinderella's dress was a modernized version of her mother's dress, the only remnant of her mother we see

[@IceFireofVoid]

I find modern Disney to be weird with its whole anti-princess thing. Like in Moana for example. The film has a scene insisting that she's not a princess. But she's a political figure who will inherit her land through birth right, something nobody elected her for but that she was born into. Call it by any other name, it's the exact same thing. Instead of pretending that princesses are weak, or that "princess" is a dirty word, they could just make cooler princesses, or not mention princesses at all.

[@arifakyuz7673]

A princess is actually a daughter of a ruler who will be a potential heir to be the next ruler. I know what you said is right, but I think it should have been reworded to make it clearer.

[@IceFireofVoid]

Why did Maui even mention princesses in the first place then? The whole scene was entirely pointless. It was just there to trash talk the idea of a princess, which I think is a weird concept.

[@pipgang8566]

Pm The only way I could see you making this statement is in regards to the word itself. In every culture that has a monarchy that repects some kind of Blood right inheritance (see, almost every culture at some point or another) there have been female heirs to the line, even if they have no rightful claim to the possessions of the family. These are the people we call "princesses" and almost any culture with a monarchy had them. I just dont understand your comment at all.

[@ginauccelatore3002]

nothing wrong with being a princess (or prince), everybody is one! my t shirt from a christian store says "yes I am a princess, my father is the king of kings" and disney princesses (old and new) are so human and lovable because they can make mistakes

[@madnessarcade7447]

IceFire that's just moana tho Ana and Elsa know they are princesses same with Merida

[@casper3105]

I Get Really pissed off that People strip away other character traits from Old and new Disney princesses and just label them "Hopeless damsels" and "Bad Role Models" Just because they get to be with the prince in the end. A Strong Female character is not someone who doesn't up with the prince, Yes the Old Disney princesses weren't the best written but they have far more character than what people depict them. Snow white is very caring and kind. Cinderella is hardworking, Kind and patient. Ariel Is Curious, Adventurous and Free Spirited. Jasmine Doesn't take anyones Shit and is clever. Belle Is smart and doesn't give a shit what other people think and ect. Tell me again How are these Bad Role Models? But in All Honesty the weakest princess has to be Aurora well at least she has a nice singing voice and...the way her hair was animated was pretty....i got nothing.

[@biancaland4951]

They where strong in their own way.

[@toocoldtobother7271]

Bianca LAND preach!

[@KopaXTani]

You hit the nail on the head. THIS is exactly why I had a change of heart about Snow White and Cinderella, (not just her third movie) as I got older and more mature. The one gripe I have with Snow, though a small one mind you, is the fact that she still rhymes in things she’s featured in outside of the movie, that aren’t necessarily rated G or even E (10 and under). No one talks like that constantly irl, unless their doing it to be silly or on accident!

[@chelnahtheegghead]

It's-a-me Sali Sorry, but Aurora is a _fantastic_ role model, and I’ll be darned if anyone tries to tell me otherwise. Even though we don’t get to see a lot of her, we see that she is obedient (still goes to the castle for her arranged marriage even when she’d rather not), kind and respectful to both her “aunts” and the forest animals, as well as dutiful in realizing her responsibilities as a princess. Although she may not be the greatest character ever depicted, she’s still pretty great in my eyes.

[@tereziamarkova2822]

And Aurora isn't even a real protagonist; the fairies are. It's them (the prince fights Maleficent in the climax, but he still needs their help while doing it) and their struggle to protect their adoptive daughter from their nemesis that is the focus of the story; Aurora only has her romance, about which noone really cares that much.

[@maddiewhatever441]

Always loved Mulan, and it isn't because she's a 'strong independent women who doesn't need a man', it's because she's isn't. Mulan didn't go to war to prove herself and to break stereotypes. She didn't dress up as a man and defend China because 'Hey I'm a woman and I need to prove myself'. She did it because she had to. If not, her father surely would have died. Mulan risked her life to save her father, and in setting out to do that she also saved China. Her 'romance' wasn't the main focus, and she actually had guy friends. Which I think is super cool.

[@twokindsofovenfries32]

I personally think the only true feminist modern disney female is Tiana, as it both doesn't shame her for running off with a man, whilst also showing how hard-working and intelligent she is. It also doesn't fall into that awful trope of using an independent female and therefore depriving her of a love interest. Why shouldn't the strong woman have a husband too? Women can be romantic and strong. I get super lost in romance and even fantasies about people I have just met, but I am still smart and have a job. Also Cinderella escaped an abusive household with her kindness intact, Snow White went from a scared child to running a household, Alice in Wonderland stood up for herself and faced her inner fears

[@twokindsofovenfries32]

also I really miss 2d

[@scremmy_draws]

And Rapunzel. Even though she ends up with Eugene in the end, she still is very much an independent woman that can fend for herself!

[@Deathmare235]

Tiana was a traditional Disney princess

[@kylajohnson3576]

i hate that trope too

[@lydia8526]

Mulan literally went to the war and saved the whole China from going to hack but people are mad bcs Shang stayed for dinner like wtf?

[@PaleoSteno]

This is one the best videos I've seen about Disney films in general. Seriously, great job.

[@FreakinSweet1987]

PaleoSteno Take notes. *Buh-dum-tshh*

[@chrisbrasel9049]

Agreed as like your work man.

[@TomTheyy]

I recommend checking out the Tony Goldmark work she referenced at the end.

[@gilbertobenites4215]

PaleoSteno: both My Little Pony and Pokemon have also been through these scenarios and they still influence each other. Brutal Legend on the other hand, is the cult of personality because that game knows how to bring one thing and another together. Even if that game isn't influenced by Disney, Brutal Legend kicks more ass than all Disney films combined. If anything, without question, Brutal Legend is probably my most favorite game of all time and is the best game I ever played.

[@chrisbrasel9049]

Agreed as like mlp more than Pokemon actually.

[@fantasticmadness8935]

I have to say that Mother Gothel was the best 3D animated villain

[@tiffanyillig48]

She scares me. And I was like a teenager and she scares the crud out of me.

[@chrussublah4264]

she is one of the best villains to me. I generally gravitate to "human evil" types of villain, though I love the evil aesthetic some other villains pull off. To me villains like her, Rourke, Frollo and clayton just had much more impact and caused way more fear because they felt like people like them are out there. Some of the other villains are often kind of non-humans and feel that way too. maleficent, ursula and most of the aesthetically evil villains are often actually not human, so it makes them and their behavior fun, but not realistic

[@phoebeclark4718]

*Syndrome has entered the chat*

[@monabohamad2242]

@Mustiboi Salman Lol

[@redpanda6497]

Don't forget Tomatoa, King Candy and Syndrome. Um.. mostly that's it.

[@opheliapurple]

This was shockingly fair and objective, I really appreciate how far you went to respect all Disney decades without taking the easy route and bashing them on political principle alone. I really feel like you did your homework and didn't take any shortcuts just dismissing what's popular to mock without truly examining it.

[@ginauccelatore3002]

yes, you proved it s ok to like them both, not set a war between them like the different periods of star wars and star trek and doctor who and unlike what is often said, each disney film is soooo different from the others, each is a universe of its own

[@Julayla]

I got to be honest: I'm getting tired of the "villain hidden as a good guy" bit long enough. I mean yes, at least Yokai, Hans, and Bellwhether (not Turbo, he was always a jerk) had their reasons when you look at it, but this cliche needs to stop.

[@dudehuhu7803]

Thing is, what made it cliche is because after their revelation of how evil they are, they continue to hammer it down in your face about how evil and heartless they are, like I guess a ticking bomb of personality blew up, if somehow they still kept the villain trying to make sense of their situation amd justify every action they did without any evil undertone, that might be interesting for a while haha

[@KLawrence-mn7gh]

For Bellweather to be the "bad guy" was ok. It is supposed that in crime and investigation stories there must to be a guilty guy, who *must* be hidden among the rest of the characters. It's part of the genre itself

[@rockalinebellosa7907]

They really had no reason to make Hans a villain. They just wanted the surprise effect. The Duke of Wieselton or whatever would've made the perfect villain. Like, it's okay for a female to have more than one love interest too.

[@foxymetroid]

@@rockalinebellosa7907 Originally, he wasn't going to be a villain. The ice sister was (forgot her name) because that's how the original story went. Then they made the infamous "Let It Go" song, which changed the context of the story to the point that the ice sister couldn't work as the villain anymore. Rather than change the song, they made Hans the villain.

[@rockalinebellosa7907]

@@foxymetroid Yeah, that's why it makes little to no sense :P

[@krowking123]

I actually think you nailed pretty much on the head. If you take the time period into consideration a lot of the older films hold up pretty well stereotypes aside (heck there are a couple cases where even those were almost positive for the time period tbh, considering the Crows despite their obvious stereotypes were at least good natured and helpful in comparison to the pompous judgmental Elephants and Caucasian’s who spent the whole movie making Dumbo’s life hell for something out of his control due to their judgements attitudes). A lot of the films weren’t going for character studies as much as they used the stories to exploit the animation to its fullest extent. As long as the children understand the context the old movies are harmless and hold up better then the modern films in some aspects such as the artistry of them and such.

[@WildWestSamurai]

I mean, I loved the crows as a kid, too. They're likable and have a catchy song, but they are literal embodiments of lazy, jive-talking black caricatures who wear quite stereotypical clothing. Also, the lead crow's name is JIM. Jim. Crow. Yeah. That was a pun Disney thought was witty enough to make it into the film. Now, the main reasons that kids - white kids, especially - don't see the crows as offensive is because A) white people still largely live in communities where there simply aren't a lot of POC, so the things we like and media we consume wasn't really subjected to peer scrutiny until the Internet connected people in ways our neighborhoods and schools didn't. And B) the stereotypes the crows are apart of aren't really around as much these days. The shuffling, Stepin Fetchit-type characters are practically extinct, having been replaced with newer black stereotypes. Whereas the older stereotypes of the lazy, shuffling Sambo were very common, the newer stereotypes are things like fast-talking black comic relief or the drug-dealing thug. So, as a result, kids today don't recognize these older stereotypes because they're not around us constantly. But black kids tend to recognize them because their parents and grandparents grew up with them. White kids' parents and grandparents didn't see what was wrong with them. That's how a band of jive-talking, lazy birds dressed and designed like black caricatures where the lead crow's name was Jim can be beloved by modern white kids: Ignorance of what they represent. Not ignorance in a pejorative sense, but ignorance in the sense that one simply doesn't know something. You can't know sunlight exists if you were raised in a cave. Once you leave the cave, though, there's no going back. I'll give the filmmakers credit that the crows weren't as racist as they could have been, but they were still racist.

[@krowking123]

WildWestSamurai I didn’t mean to give off that the crows were perfect representations or weren’t racist or anything, they were a victim of their time period, but they were certainly not as bad as a lot of the black characatures were back in those days. Remember the racist stereotype in Bugs Bunny? I could find more I’m sure but given the time period and the awful stuff, by those standards, it was a lot better then other portrayals were at those times. Stuff like the Jim Crow joke are awful and deserve criticism, again this was the 1940s and this stuff was tragically prevalent in our culture. But like I said as long as your kids are told the context before going into the movie and know what the stereotype is and don’t believe it to be the norm I don’t think it will affect any kids of our generation growing up, so in the end it will be harmless. Besides most people don’t remember dumbo anyways, cept for the Pink Elephant scene. It’s like that really awesome line from God, the Devil, and Bob, that talked about passing down a softer punch from generation to generation. The Crows were a softer punch, like the unflattering comic relief portrayals seems during the 90s were a softer punch than the Crows were. Eventually it will die off assuming people take it into consideration and don’t encourage the bad behavior or blow things out of proportion and make things worse than they were.

[@swanpride]

Actually, the lead crow is NEVER named in the movie, not even in the end credit scene. That is supplemental information (it is the name the animators used for the character as a joke because they apparently were in the habit of giving each other similar nicknames, too, being a pretty diverse bunch themselves). Also, isn't the ignorance a good thing? It shows that people have moved past those stereotypes to a point that they don't even recognize them anymore. Because the crows, they aren't racist, racist is the person who looks at them and immediately makes those connections because he has already internalized those stereotypes.

[@alejandromolinac]

Ahhhh the Crows are based on a group of African American performers.... they animators just copied their mannerisms ... why do people whine about this is beyond me!

[@Chilla001]

The old Bugs Bunny cartoon (I'm assuming you mean the one with the black hunter trying to hunt Bugs) was not that bad. The design was by all means racist but the cartoon in terms of comedy was pretty well executed.

[@girlysoap9031]

I wanna see a movie where that *_perfect strong lead woman_* Is actually the villain As in say the film moana, at the last moment she did something to the heart instead of putting it back You know??

[@carolmega2867]

You mean...¿Helga from Atlantis? Idk...

[@asheefaazmialifia3069]

Hmmmm i think you dont get it about the moana part

[@dawnseeker176]

@@carolmega2867 mmm i do love helga she was one badass woman. a "you fuck me over i will fuck you over 10 times harder." kind of girl. we saw what happened when roarke attempted to fuck her over. damn

[@nengyang5664]

Who?

[@NewYoutubeisstupid]

Inside Out

[@mcwyman7928]

I think old Disney and new Disney were going for different things. Old Disney focused on the artistry of the animation and the timeless stories, while newer Disney focuses on complex characters and messages. I think both have their value. I still think Snow White holds up because it's a beautifully animated movie with both genuinely heartwarming and disturbing scenes. Old Disney provides that classic "Disney Magic", cliche as it is, that we all love. New Disney gives a contemporary spin on that. Being born in 1998, I grew up on both classic and Renaissance Disney films, and I liked both kinds, as well as a couple of picks from the dark age (Robin Hood, The Rescuers, and The Sword in The Stone are still hilarious to this day), because they weren't all failures.

[@chrisbrasel9049]

Agreed as for me and if dumbo or Alice in wonderland is playing on tv, I'll turn it on quickly since there great pieces of art and media.

[@TuAmigoElMorrocoy]

New Disney focused on making money. The stories are just safe interpretations of the same formula

[@lauries3961]

I thought I was the only one who still loved Sword in the Stone!

[@madnessarcade7447]

MC Wyman someone gets it I consider new Disney to be anything cg 2010s and up For me classic Disney is anything from Snow White to princess and the frog

[@madnessarcade7447]

Glen Coco wrong and ignorant they just make them for new audiences and that bothers you that you aren't the demo anymore But no they don't do it for the money They are new takes for a new crowd

[@TheLittleTpot]

I really do miss the 90's era villains, but I actually kinda appreciate how Disney tried to make the villains more ambiguous in Moana and Big Hero 6. Then, there's Frozen. Friggin' Hans. Worst. Villain. Ever. Honestly, I wish they had made Elsa the villain. With the way she gets shunned in the first half of the movie it would have been SO easy to make her go all "Treat me like a monster and I'll become a monster". They even had a perfect scene set up for the tragic villain-transition when they stormed her castle! From there, just grab the scene from one of the earlier drafts where she creates an entire army of snowmen and marches on Arendelle, and finish up with some sort of redemption arc where Anna still sacrifices herself for her sister and snaps her out of it! Sorry, I'm ranting. Frozen had so much potential and I'm still salty that it turned into just an 'okay' movie with awesome characters.

[@someonerandom8552]

They were actually going to go that route, which is closer to the source material, until the song Let It Go was born. I feel like perhaps the decision was made a little too late to properly fix in production. Which is why it's so wonky in the final edit of the film.

[@TheLittleTpot]

Yeah, but I feel like Let It Go could have still fit well for a villain, especially if it's about a character being pushed over the edge by external forces. She tried to conceal it, she tried not feeling, it didn't work so let's just let it all out! But noooo! Too inspirational, they said! Too hopeful, they said! And the result is, as you said, a wonky final cut.

[@someonerandom8552]

Oh I totally agree with you. i think it could have been a very interesting and complex (for Disney) character study. A bold iteration about the Snow Queen and her origins. But you know, studio mandates and whatnot. Le sigh. The Hallmark 2 part TV movie version is closer to the source material and frankly a tad more interesting. At least IIRC. That is sad to say the least.

[@TheLittleTpot]

Right? It's such a shame because Disney actually tends to take more risks than other studios, even though they're very small risks. I don't mind them deviating from the source material because, hey, that's what they do! I just wish they would do it in a more interesting way. I never watched the Hallmark version of The Snow Queen myself. I do remember watching an animated version of the fairy tale as a kid that scared the crap of me as a kid but I can't for the life of me remember who made it.

[@someonerandom8552]

Risk taking is what gives Disney the edge, so to speak. I mean it's not going to be huge risks, but risks nonetheless. Haha I watched a live action version of the Snow Queen that scared the crap out of me as a kid and don't remember who made it

[@PlagueBunny]

I miss Disney villains. They really made the movies for me.

[@Very-Uncorrect]

Same and ikr

[@emptyteacup8228]

SAME HERE.

[@scremmy_draws]

The last good Disney villain was Mother Gothel

[@therafmaster5958]

eyubeon I think it’s more of Dr. Facilier

[@pyrokatarina]

@@therafmaster5958 I'd say turbo is the last one

[@CellSpex]

The era of short films was actually because of low budgets during the war. My bad.

[@candicemceady308]

Why do you hate romance so much? Without it no one would be born. Yes some romances don't work out but to deny men and women what they are naturally meant to do with each other just to force something different ( aka boy/girl platonic friendships) is kind of silly.

[@star0apple897]

@@candicemceady308 because not everything needs romance i prefer platonic relationships.

[@star0apple897]

@@candicemceady308 And how is saying that having boy girl platonic relationships in movies forced?

[@candicemceady308]

It would be cool for a while but soon readers would get sick of it because what if some random guy came into the equation and the main female character fell for him even though she has better chemistry with the main character guy. Her and the random guy would get together just for the sake of being different and that's not always a good thing.

[@oatmealcoloured9950]

Thank you for making that point about Cinderella. I do think people treat her quite unfairly because she was defined as being kind and a bit of a dreamer who wanted an escape. And I also think she is overall more proactive than people give her credit for. She was a heroine of her time and people view her through this cultural lens of "boring!". I remember really liking the movie when I was about 5 because Cinderella was. Realistic? Her stakes were very personal and I thought it was amazing how nice she was despite growing up in an abusive household. Thanks for this insightful video

[@strawberrybunny.2983]

超人 as someone who did grow up in an abusive household and has an abusive mother , quasimodo , ranpunzel and Cinderella do speak to me a lot more. Quasi specially since I remember him having a rather low self esteem and being treated like garbage for being disfigured was awful

[@monabohamad2242]

@Sydney Chuang omg sounds like someone doesn't actually understand or know a single damn thing about CINDERELLA!!

[@BellaTheDollie]

I'm tired of these tropes in modern cgi (mostly "Princess") Disney: -Plucky sassy young female protagonist -Selfish/brutish/vain male protagonist with witty comments optional smirk -Male protagonist probably roped into doing stuff for female protagonist by means of blackmail or a hostage situation etc. -Journey with male hero to find The Thing they/she wants. Must include lots of bickering about each other's values or something. -WE GET IT. PRINCE CHARMING ISN'T REAL. MEN ARE GROSS AND VAIN. -LOOK AT THE PRINCESS DOING NOT PRINCESS THINGS! HOW HILARIOUS/AMAZING/WIERD! -Silent part of the movie where the female leads question their values while alone. -Male protagonist gets hurt in some way relating to protagonist in movie -The part of the movie in which they inevitably separate due to a problem. -The scene where they reunite and the male protagonist gets seriously injured but not really. -SMIRKING I'm not saying these cliches are bad and that every cgi Disney movie falls under them but it wouldn't kill them to shake it up a little, especially since they've been able to do that before with their television plots. I appreciate how Moana actually lets girls be on the receiving end of slapstick humour and not know everything and be willing to fail and learn, Frozen and Zootopia focusing on letting female leads have the strength to admit that they're not perfect and sometimes worsen the problem that they tried to fix and they have the courage to admit they're wrong and try again (Judy and Anna). Big Hero Six introduced other male protagonists who weren't all Smirky Mc Smirkface and full of themselves (Tadashi, Wassabi, Fred). Wreck It Ralph with the relationship between Vanellope and Ralph, Ralph's identity crisis, the romance between Felix and Calhoun showing that your first love may not be your only love and that you can open your heart again and that losing a partner can hurt really bad and affect how you function and see the world, the whole premise of the movie being that you aren't a mistake. But seriously the (princess) movies need protagonists who are diverse in *personality*. Not just spunky, rebellious girls with a dream and sly witty guys who begrudgingly get dragged into helping them.

[@disneylandw]

Still better then ATLANTIS's Kida, whose pretty much a NON entity within her own movie. For a first time watcher you would think HELGA was basically the main female of the story given the weird fact that the film has no idea how wants it's story to be beyond the mindless action!!!!

[@sarah-nt7iw]

Anna Bridgette - ya really hate tangled don't you

[@BellaTheDollie]

You Never Saw Me No, it's actually my favourite cgi Disney Princess movie and I freaking love Rapunzel and Eugene's chemistry. I like all the movies that fall under these cliches, but they get boring over time.

[@em.the.awful.waffle]

It seems to me that the only two Modern Disney movies that have these cliches are Frozen and Tangled.

[@prastarkeepers]

Another Emma! Moana, Zootopia, Princess and the Frog, and Wreck it Ralph all had their fair share of the cliches listed above.

[@nathanc.8795]

Great video! For me, I feel like Disney's "ha-ha look at our past tropes" regime has become tiresome lately. That's why I think the older films hold up better.

[@Haleyangelo]

Agreed! I'm so sick of Disney doing that in their movies!!

[@AlexThe1Menace]

Glad someone else is tired of that thing they've been doing. They're so focused on trying not to be like their old selves that they are beginning to seem less concerned with how the movies themselves will hold up on their own.

[@negavenom]

Even enchanted did it better and it was made back in 2007

[@chickasaw981]

Yeah I wished they'd stop that too. I personally miss the love at first sight, 3 day romances, no one acknowledging their singing/sidekicks. The ones in Frozen and Moana were painful. Disney already did all these in Enchanted. Give it up lol

[@RM-cn8pw]

Phin68 These newer movies hold up just as well, if not better.

[@briancollins1296]

I would argue old-school Disney is more subversive than modern Disney, at least in terms of plot structure and pacing. Something like Bambi simply would not be made today, especially by Disney. The plot is too meandering, there are too many quiet and atmospheric moments, and the film generally has this somber tone that modern Disney just doesn't like. For Disney these days, everything has to follow a strict three-act structure, there has to be a lot of talking and very little in the way of quiet moments, and in-your-face "subversive" statements have to be shoehorned into the story. It's almost like they're ashamed of deviating so far from the norm in the 40s and 50s that they now have to make up for it with ultra-conventional storytelling. Yes, even Zootopia hits all of the same beats as your typical buddy cop story, and I would argue sticking to the book like that hurts the overall product.

[@fanime1]

Brian Collins I think you have an interesting argument, but I disagree with what you said about Zootopia. It's not really fair to say a film isn't as good just because it uses the three act structure. It is used for a reason and that's because it works. The screenwriters clearly did it on purpose to reference buddy cop films, but they still do their own spin on it. It's just a tool, if anything. Otherwise, I agree with everything else you said.

[@briancollins1296]

What I implied with Zootopia is that the film's adherence to convention prevented it from being as good as it could've been, at least for me. The three-act structure works, true, but it can also lead to a story feeling very predictable. I guess Big Hero 6 would be a better example, since that movie feels *very* safe and cookie cutter, the antithesis to what classic Disney was doing.

[@RM-cn8pw]

Brian Collins “Very few quiet moments,” That is a blatant lie.

[@dundee6402]

Brian Collins That's because kids aren't like that anymore, they don't like super long quiet moments, they don't have that patience in a world full of distractions. I'm in the same case, growing up with the Renaissance movies, I always found Bambi to be terminally boring and I still do to some extent. It has great animation and atmospheres, I can admit its merits but I can't hide the fact I just can't enjoy that movie.

[@fanime1]

Johtonian to be fair, the book it was based on was boring to me as a child, but I still enjoyed the movie heavily.

[@kingdedederealnotclickbait3125]

To be completely honest, I think Wreck-it Ralph did a really good job avoiding a lot (not all but a lot) of the cliches of the newer Disney films, presenting to us an interesting, diverse in personality cast. The female characters are allowed to just do their own thing without being after a love interest the whole time or trying to prove themselves. All the characters are fundamentally flawed in some way and it just makes them feel more real idk. As well as not having a main focus on romance, but rather the friendship between Ralph and Vanellope and even the core 4 as a family together. Plus they actually pulled off the twist villain well, having enough exposure to King Candy and knowing something is off about him but not being able to pick what really sells me on the movie. if you think about it Turbo is quite a dark villain for a family movie and most of the scenes towards the end are quite frankly terrifying. heh sorry for going rambling but I *really love Wreck-it Ralph* and I think it sums up all that is good about modern Disney very well

[@cleonumber1]

I never understood the whole "the characters need to represent me" or "I need to relate to the main character" thing. Me , I don't really care if there is no female characters in a film as long as what I am is not being insulted in some way( AKA the whole "you throw/fight/cry like a girl" bullcrap etc). I just like my films to be interesting to watch and not be insulting in any way

[@BestiaIustitia]

Excuse me you just got a call it’s from the if we give a girl a gun/sword/superpowers she is a character and look how progressive we are

[@politebadger5049]

@afootineachworld Right, and I think representation wouldn't really work in the older films anyway because they are set in a very european setting a long time ago where there wouldn't be much diversity. I think it'd be pretty cool if they made newer films (in the same vein as the old movies) about different culture's fairy tales, that way the setting could match the characters.

[@thatmexicanuzer]

Mexican Representation is not something that "concerns" me, but it's certainly nice when they show it, I get a good kick out of it and appreciate that they took time to do some research on my culture. With that being said, I enjoyed The Incredibles far more than I enjoyed Coco (We got it Early in Mexico) because of character development and story. So at the end of the day Diverse representation to me is like Whipped cream on a Milkshake. If you have it is great, but if it's all you have, it's just not a complete dessert (I could've thought of a better analogy)

[@thatmexicanuzer]

I do have to append this here: The lack of any diverse representation does bother me when it's distracting to the world building of the movie/TV Show. Meaning, that if a show takes place in Mexico and there are no Mexican Characters/Actors, it's really distracting, lazy and at some point, insulting

[@destroyerblackdragon]

I thought the analogy was pretty solid. It's similar to my analogy on video game graphics some people say graphics don't matter as long as the game as fun but to me that's like saying you don't care if your cake has frosting on it.

[@MarkyMatey]

Coco still is one of the better pixar movies

[@thatmexicanuzer]

I respectfully disagree

[@chrisbrasel9049]

I can agree somewhat on what you said there but do you like coco by any change?

[@AtarahDerek]

While I do enjoy the focus on platonic friendships (though it doesn't stop me from shipping in certain cases), what I would love to see that we VERY rarely see is a main protagonist whose impetus is protecting his/her established family. The last such hero we got was Pacha (or it might have been Mr. Incredible; I don't remember which came first). Give the hero something to protect. Instead of establishing a romance (or even a friendship that shippers can turn into a romance), give the hero a spouse and children to return home to. Use the old "love conquers all" trope, but use it at its strongest; when it's already established, not when it's still building. Love is like fire. When you have a tiny ember or even a small flame, it can be easily snuffed out by just about anything. Even if it came from a 3,000 degree spark. But a bonfire going strong is hard to suppress. It provides light and wamth, and it draws people to it. That tiny spark that you're struggling to keep alive only frustrates you, and it makes you look like a castaway desperate to survive the night.

[@ALu-nq8rf]

@@aspasp9568 So does Mulan. She literally went to protect her father. Shang was just a bonus cut.

[@ginauccelatore3002]

pacha is underated he s so lovable

[@tavrosnitram1529]

literally Brave why does no one remember that fucken movie

[@thisaccountisembarrassingi4429]

Emperor's New Groove came out in 2000. The Incredibles came out in 2004. So Mr. Incredible was the last hero like that we had, though it might've also been MRS. Incredible with the release of the sequel. Though it really is too bad that we don't see more active parent figures like Pacha in movies.

[@afiamahmood1313]

So, Demon Slayer?

[@GhassanPL]

Honestly, all I could think about during this video was "Man, Wreck-It Ralph was awesome."

[@BellaTheDollie]

Same.

[@TheBranMan100]

I hope you’re hyped for Ralph Breaks the Internet- Wreck-it Ralph 2!

[@lefterisnotorasthelefteris538]

Much better than Lion King(haters gonna hate)!

[@alexandraburton232]

Thank you for pointing the uselessness of the whole "we can't make the films scary for our kids and yet we'll keep showing them the old stuff." It doesn't make sense!

[@BestiaIustitia]

Also nothing can be funny unless it’s super bland and safe and villains have to be all “he will perish..... after I eAt ThIs DoNuT

[@katherinec2759]

"But I saw the old stuff as a kid, so therefore THAT must be okay. It's just the newer stuff that can't be scary."

[@neveroddoreven6597]

Cinderella is, in my honest opinion, a very independent, smart, and creative woman. It really makes people out to be total assholes when their putting the image of a “bad role model” onto a person who was abused, physically and mentally, and who was likely brainwashed as a child to never leave her house. Even with all that, she fights back, gets angry, and is very knowing of how to make her situation bearable. Shut up radical feminists, emphasis on radical, and don’t blame someone of abuse as being a terrible role model, when she is probably more capable than you.

[@wyattandrews712]

For someone who says "stay Shiny animaniacs" and just discussed modern Disney villains, you sure did miss the opportunity to at least mention Tamatoa. Sure his screen time was very limited but his presence harkened back to the bombastic unpredictable villains of the 90s. Something I very much appreciated in this current world of super developed, backstory laden twist villains.

[@violacrb]

And he had that delightful David Bowie-era vibe.

[@fanime1]

Wyatt Andrews I loved him, but maybe she didn't discuss him because he's not the main villain. Still the best part of the film tho.

[@youwhat.]

saintfighteraqua untrue, Tamatoa gave a significant blow to Maui’s self esteem by pointing out his need for love from humans / dependence on his hook (which parallels his need for shiny things) and dragging him while Moana had to the the one that saved him. This becomes a central plot point later.

[@ParietinaeUmbra]

Speaking of "staying Shiny"... He may not be the main villain in Moana, but.. *excessive coughing* TAMATOA is literally one of the most memorable and well developed Disney villains, despite his brief appearance. He feels just like an old, flamboyant Disney villain while at the same time being EXTREMELY unique. (To say the least XD)

[@Billiea32]

ParietinaeUmbra also his musical number is awesome 👌

[@prinxen1733]

*Oh yeah, I feel like they're really getting back to the whole theatrical villain thing- but in a different way. And it's thrilling!

[@ryanatorraptor5223]

He isn’t really considered a villain despite having villainous intentions

[@morganrakes4184]

Well developed? He enters the story, brings up history, tries to kill Moana and Maui, loses, and that’s it. He doesn’t change or grow in anyway. Granted I admit he’s cool, I really liked his character, but he’s not well developed.

[@BestiaIustitia]

Morgan Rakes well he’s like a part of the movie itself not really a permanent character

[@woodfloor111]

I'm loving this video so far, but saying a musical number is just a flashy break from a narrative is.. just not entirely correct. That definition to me fits songs like Olaf's Summer song in Frozen, just a fun little break from the plot to dive into Olaf's naïveté and his motivations. But that movie also has "Do You Want To Build A Snowman" a song that contains an enormous passage of time, the girls growing up, and their parents dying. I think musical numbers are more often than not used to quickly further the plot, especially in Disney movies.

[@michellegonzales5271]

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[@woodfloor111]

What?

[@zachanikwano]

+Pm No, that pub scene is to set the outlaws up as allies to break out Eugene. They were vital to the plot. Without that scene, we have no one to break out Eugene, he gets hung, and Rapunzel is trapped forever. Plus it's a lesson on "don't judge a book by its cover."

[@cannotthinkofausername6379]

One of the reasons I like having a love interest in Disney movies is that, when done right, they create role models for young boys, showing that it is okay to be affectionate and romantic. Typically in films boys are taught to be warriors and brave but rarely are they shown that it is okay to love. Flynn Rider and Kristoff are great examples of this as they fall in love but aren't defined as just love interests, they are still strong and heroic

[@Mr.Goodkat]

Actually it's always the girls being shown strong warriors and brave "role models", male characters are either a villain or a bumbling idiot, the good news is young boys in the audience don't seek their life advise from films, don't think those guys are "role models" and can be just as inspired by the female characters as any girl can and is able to model her strength and bravery without needing to have the same body parts of her at all.

[@cannotthinkofausername6379]

@@Mr.Goodkat In talking about old Disney films, not the currents one like Moana, Brave and Raya, and I don't think that’s necessarily true. If anyone can look at anyone in film and see themselves reflected or find them a role model, then that would means girls can find that with male characters. I just wish Disney hadn't sacrified their strong yet kind and gentle male characters that could have co-existed alongside their female counterparts.

[@Mr.Goodkat]

@@cannotthinkofausername6379 "then that would means girls can find that with male characters." They CAN of course they can, look up Frank Darabont Shawshank redemption and find an interview with him he'll sometimes cite in them about how he still gets fan letters daily about the film and has been getting them for decades by countless people telling him stories about how it changed their life's and made them change their minds about suicide etc, I am sure considering the sheer amount many of these people are female yet it's a male character doing the things so why did him enduring hardship and remaining unbroken inspire them? when he has got different reproductive parts and urinates while standing? it's because he was enduring hardship and remaining unbroken, anyone watching that and is going through something in their own lives can be inspired by that and find a role model in it to overcome their own hardships and they don't need the character to be the same gender as them anymore than they need them to have the same colour of skin, hairstyle or sexual attraction, it's the situation being presented in the movie which they can parallel things in their own life with and that's what's having the effect not any details about the body of the person it's happening too.

[@cannotthinkofausername6379]

@@Mr.Goodkat Jesus that is too long of a paragraph and too deep for a video about Disney...

[@Mr.Goodkat]

@@cannotthinkofausername6379 A video about Disney is just as deserving of "deep" comments as any other vid, especially if it's what people believe in exposing the young to, superficial comments not saying all that much shouldn't be the preference, room for both.

[@sllvn356]

Alice in Wonderland (1951) is probably one of the best Disney films of all time. Seriously, it includes -a female lead who stands up for herself (this was the Disney movie after Cinderella, so it was a pretty big jump) -gorgeous animation -every character is unique -the Queen of Hearts is a perfect balance of scary and likeable - it has the most songs out of any Disney movie (which may sound overwhelming but most of them are less than a minute long) - THE DAMN CAST -child friendly story that adults can enjoy -comedy that holds up -out of all Disney movies that are based on something, I think this is the closest to the book than any other contender.

[@Writermist]

big jump how? Cinderella saved herself with her wits and teamwork with her friends. The prince was just an escape out of her crappy life. He didn't save her. Plus Alice wasn't an abuse victim, so standing up for herself is much easier.

[@arianneschmitt3670]

I never saw alice in wonderland

[@Writermist]

Go watch it. go watch all the Disney movies. :) and dreamworks and Pixar.... WATCH ALL THE ANIMATED MOVIES XD

[@oakpineranch]

alice in wonderland bombed when first released...

[@practicingwitch4277]

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[@RiverSpirit]

I'm surprised you don't have more subscribers. All of your videos are thoughtful and entertaining, and I appreciate the amount of work you've put in. :) As for my thoughts on this, I mostly agree with what you said. "Good" is subjective, and it's tough to compare films from different generations objectively since there are so many factors to consider. I love the cinematic and breathtaking visuals of classic Disney (snow white, bambi, cinderella, fantasia, etc.) Those movies do a great job at presenting an emotional spectacle that is amazing to watch. However, modern disney is SO much better at presenting memorable and lovable characters, and telling compelling stories. Honestly, if I want entertainment, I'll watch modern disney...if I want inspiration, I'll watch classic disney. Not to say I can't get entertainment from classic or inspiration from modern, but I'm sure you get what I'm saying. Both do their own things quite well, and both have flaws. I'm certainly happy that both exist.