The Book of Daniel: When Prophecy Fails

The Book of Daniel is the source of some of the Old Testament’s most lasting prophetic visions: A statue with a head made of gold, breast and arms made of silver, belly and thighs of bronze, legs of iron, and feet of iron mixed with clay that is toppled by a stone cut without hands. A vision of successive beasts that appear from the sea. The vision of one like a “son of man” appearing in the clouds. The book’s protagonist Daniel, a Jewish noble living in exile at the royal court at Babylon in the 6th century bce, interprets the visions to predict the future. These predictions are uncannily accurate up until the year 167 bce, when they suddenly become wildly inaccurate. As scholars have now show, this is because the text was not written by Daniel or anyone who knew him, but by an apocalyptic prophet writing between 167 and 164 bce, whose accurate “predictions” recount events of the past and whose proved a complete failure at predicting the actual future. John Hamer of Toronto Centre Place will look at the Book of Daniel as a textbook example of what happens in religion when prophecy fails.
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[@notrueflagshere198]

The Assad time will soon look like paradise.

[@fastballflakes5385]

Another great Hamercopia of Knowledge tonight. The content of the lecture was excellent. Thank you once again to John and everyone at Centre Place for bringing these to us. Can't wait for the next one.

[@dougwulf6684]

Thanks!

[@adamchapman6530]

John, thank you again for this great talk. I do want to point out though two things that are not clear to people who read the Bible in translation: 1. Ezekiel mentions Dan-El and not Daniel. Dan-El was a famous legendary canaanite king known for his wisdom. The translator didn't know him anymore, so he wrote Daniel. 2. In Daniel it says Bar Anash and not Ben Adam, meaning son of Enosh. Enosh also is synonymous with man, but there's possibly a reason for this choice.

[@johnfoster6412]

I came here to say this. Specifically, Dan-el was a king of Ugarit. Many scholars believe that Ezekiel's quote was misread by scribes as Daniel, and this was put in Jesus' mouth, so He was not saying that Daniel was a wise judge.

[@vintage-red-carpetmasonic-38]

@@johnfoster6412 the naughty tribe of dan .

[@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095]

Your talks really are absolutely first class. Thank you, and long may you continue. {:o:O:}

[@adamchapman6530]

Another small thing: bel and baal are etimologically connected. Both mean "lord". In Hebrew, baal means lord too, but it gradually evolved to mean "husband", so the Jewish god is Adonay which means my lord. In all these religions, the main god's name was too sacred to be pronounced. Bel is actually Marduch, baal is hadad and adonay is yahweh.

[@TheStobb50]

What are the things I get confusing about the coming Messiah \ saviour, there was 2 of them Cyrus, the great and later, Jesus or the Jewish Messiah

[@erikhouston]

Trying to discuss faith, religion, and spirituality can be vary difficult sometimes, especially when dealing with young minds. I watch these videos with my 11 y.o niece as a nice way to introduce her to this beautiful faith. Christianity at its root I think is redemption through God’s grace. God values the heart the loves and cares for others as much as he desires love and devotion. Thank you, god bless

[@GhostScout42]

if you want to teach your child about christianity, watching youtube videos from Mormons probably isnt the best way to do it. these guys are jaded because thier religion is theologically bankrupt, and whatever last church they were associated with told em to get lost

[@Facerip]

@@GhostScout42I feel like this is unfair. This lecturer has proven time and again that he remains impartial and objective to his highest ability, and open with any biases he might have. There is very little of his theology involved in these lectures, and i’ve watched almost all of them.

[@GhostScout42]

@@Facerip My only point is when i want to learn about Christianity, i see a Christian. i agree he does his best

[@Facerip]

@@GhostScout42 I disagree, I would see a scholar instead. And John is a scholar.

[@merthsoft]

@@GhostScout42 Christians are often wrong about the technicalities and historical context of their religion, because those aren't a requirement of the faith. If I want to understand the technicalities and historical context, I will go to a scholar. If I want to know that individual Christian's specific beliefs (often heretical), I'll ask a Christian. Of course, someone can be both, and many Christians can give the scholarly answers, but being Christian isn't a requirement of understanding the history of the faith.

[@dr.goodtrouble6389]

I wonder if the erroneous lecture title is actually an act of protest? I mean why hasn’t the error been corrected? On the other hand, I bet the erroneous title attracted hella tragic to the website….

[@merthsoft]

I think they just made the mistake of using last week's thumbnail when they uploaded and just haven't fixed it yet. I doubt it's calculated.

[@vintage-red-carpetmasonic-38]

BA'AL the Tsar .

[@vintage-red-carpetmasonic-38]

OK-- SO POST NICEA THEY REHASHED DANIEL INTO THE REVELATION OF JOHN-- *even tho Jesus said there is no more* .

[@Stadtpark90]

1:24:30 😂

[@andrewsuryali8540]

Er, the thumbnail says Christian Zionism for me.

[@rayneweber5904]

Yeah that's that's I didn't watch live. I'm like, replay