CEO To CONVICT: Elizabeth Holmes Girl Bossed Too Close To The Sun...

[@cruelworldhappymind]

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[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Thanks For the reccomendation

[@Genericyoutubename1]

For someone that loves talking about shady business practices she wouldn't recommend using a service that rips other people's work and puts them in a blender to vomit out a work. Very disappointed with this sell out to ai like it's a good thing.

[@WobblesandBean]

Sooooo....you don't even write your own scripts anymore? "I have a kid now" isn't an excuse. Lots of people have kids and do their jobs just fine.

[@WobblesandBean]

​@@TitaniumTurbine You owe that person an apology, because ALL literary AIs work that way. They scan all known pieces of writing online without the writer's knowledge or consent to feed their algorithm.

[@Genericyoutubename1]

​@@WobblesandBean I really hope that she addresses this, and that was just a line put in due to contract necessities from the add read. If she really does pad out her scripts with AI 😬 It's good to know her pushback against exploitative and shady business practices ends at her own paycheck, and it was nice watching.

[@marymaza2187]

The issue is not that Elizabeth WANTED to deliberately harm the people who bought her product. The issue is that she DIDN'T CARE AT ALL that people got seriously hurt because of her scam.

[@catus-cactus]

I believe she did want to

[@pietrofattorello]

and the only reason she got punished is because she made rich people mad, not because she hurt innocents

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

Yes, I think in some ways this is WORSE because the only thing that mattered to her is HER image. If a few people got harmed on her way to the top, she just didn’t care. Even beyond the patients, she was an abusive gas lighting boss who harmed so many employees on the way to the ‘top’ trying to hide and protect her secrets.

[@BrabbitHabit]

Yeah I actually think she started out wanting to make a difference and believing she could help people, but she couldn’t and wouldn’t accept the limitations of the technology used in her lab that she believed could be manipulated into fulfilling her dream. The technology needed for that is years away from being able to do what she wanted it to do. She seemed to think if she just got enough money and enough support from powerful people and hired the best staff available, she could make it happen. But she was told from day one that it wasn’t possible. And she did that at the expense of a lot of people in Arizona.

[@GreenEyedGoblin]

This is such a great, well made point, kudos. If I may add, I think that extends beyond the collapse of the company. Even the situation with her kids. If she did have them to try and avoid jail, somehow, she has now put them in the situation of losing their mother for potentially 11 years. She likely hasn't done this with a shred of malice towards the kids, but she doesn't, can't care about what she has set them up for down the line.

[@nystria_]

It's kinda fucked up that she was found guilty and punished for defrauding investors, but not for harming the patients who were fooled by Theranos.

[@islesofshoals3551]

Judge Davila didn't allow very much of the patient testimony in which I don't understand. So....the jury was in the dark about much of it. Sunny was convicted on those charges though. It must have been presented differently in his trial.

[@ronniemead805]

I am sure they wished they could pin everything on the brown man and let their little blue eyed princess go free.

[@WobblesandBean]

Are you surprised? No one cares if us normal people get hurt or killed. But mess with the 1%, and the courts will have your head.

[@billmozart7288]

Yeah, let's be clear, she's being punished for defrauding her rich investors. Not hurting people

[@CruelestChris]

​@Isles of Shoals Probably because it wasn't possible to directly tie that testimony to the case. Like, imagine if a prosecutor could call everyone who doesn't like you to testify if you're convicted of speeding, that's what laws like that are supposed to protect defendants against. The ones she got convicted of are the easy ones to prove because there _were_ documents with inappropriate company logos, there were minutes of meetings where she lied, etc. Remember, Sunny is COO, he's closer to the actual workings of the company, so it's easier to tie him to them.

[@tessmiller7943]

It makes me furious when i think about how long shes avoided her prison sentence, AND that she wasn’t convicted for defrauding and endangering patients. This woman infuriates me to no end

[@unpeuconfusee]

i really hope there is some scope for some of the patients endangered/harmed by her to bring their own suits. having recently been in hospital for suspected sepsis and having had huge amounts of blood drawn every day, the idea that any single one of those tests could have been done fraudulently is petrifying. i can't imagine how the people who know their health was actually endangered by theranos feel, especially if it caused them to have conditions missed.

[@carmendelcastillo7724]

Right! Gotta look out for the rich but screw the poor. F them all

[@WobblesandBean]

Right? She's a narcissist and a sociopath, she doesn't care about anyone's lives but her own. She got pregnant not once, but TWICE, to postpone her sentencing.

[@debrawehrly6900]

She was delusional

[@rigelb9025]

Yes, but what's missing from your statement is the fact that this woman is a *product* of ''that'' industry, whereby she was only charged with duping investors.

[@lassoroot]

It's insane that she only got in legal trouble for defrauding already extremely rich people but it's apparently okay to practically experiment with the average citizen's health, really shows what this country's about

[@chunk2689]

Well, the US does have a history of that....😬

[@adriennemeyer3408]

Oh if she had only defrauded average people she'd no doubt have only gotten a laughable slap on the wrist legally. However since she not only defrauded but also publicly humiliated so many rich and influential businessmen there's no way she was going to escape some form of accountability. It's the same reason why Bernie Madoff got jail but so many others get slaps on the wrist while gleefully escaping financial ruin via their golden parachutes.

[@Jeff50-q5d]

As far as the financial investors are concerned the smaller investors would be hurt the most and I would be less concerned about the super rich who may have lost because they will still be rich. Concerning the patients who received defective tests and were hurt and possibly could have died. It would seem to me Liz could have charged with involuntary manslaughter at the least. Liz in my opinion is a socialpath. Getting pregnant and having a child at the time of the trial. Say that things at Theranos were ok she would have gotten an abortion because it would interfere with her goal to fame and fortune.

[@bonchbonch]

It's fascinating that she's often described as hypnotic and persuasive. To me, she immediately comes off like a contrived persona in her public appearances.

[@GhoulishTeatime]

i think its pretty privlidge. look at her; blonde hair, blue eyes, nice figure.shes like a barbie. and alot of the people she prayed on were men sooo

[@chriswick7987]

Oh definitively. That voice is totally fake.

[@hellodarknesss.myoldfriend]

maybe that's the gift of hindsight? we can say that now, but these tactics she used, her expressions and her voice and her language, probably are effective.

[@bonchbonch]

@@hellodarknesss.myoldfriend It's certainly possible, but her voice and persona in public appearances come off as so forced to me that I can't believe anyone was convinced by her. I can tell she's faking the way she presents herself.

[@BunnieOfDestruction]

@@bonchbonchThis! Her voice is that odd hollow, almost echo like quality that people have when they sing from their throat. It sounds forced

[@alliu6562]

People go to jail for longer for having a bag of weed. She deserves at least this much jail time. Her child will have access to excellent childcare because her husband is loaded, with a rich family, it’s not like she’s a single mom with nobody to care for her kid. People like her ruin the lives of everybody she touches. She ruined what’s left of her family’s reputation (bc Enron was a huge scam too), she ruined the lives of countless people who received faulty tests, she ruined the lives of everyday employees in her company, especially those who worked long term because they’ll be out of work and likely have trouble finding new work due to being forced to either associate with Theranos or leave a gap in their work history. And now, she’s ruined the future of her own children.

[@lawrencelopez9839]

what's sad is she wasn't brought to justice because she hurt and endangered innocent everyday people but because she defrauded the rich elite

[@imbuffysummers]

While I agree with you for the most part I can’t help but struggle to find myself in the camp of arguing for a person’s sentence to be increased in order to match in equivalency to the sentences of people who unjustly received more time than they deserved particularly because the prison system is so irreparably backwards and corrupt and needs a major overhaul in order to work functionally and effectively but almost especially when there are so many other even worse criminals running around in the same elite circle she was once on track of which to become a member

[@danysanerd2383]

I grew up with a grossly narcissistic mother, & when I heard this woman had TWO children right before going to PRISON that she didn't stop and think for even a moment about the poor quality of life that she's created for these babies! Definitely created lives for all selfish reasons. If I didn't think she was a selfish, sick fuk before, her having kids absolutely confirmed it all for me.

[@WobblesandBean]

She drove one of her employees to commit Unalive, and she didn't even care. This woman is a monster, and I'm disgusted at her husband for thinking so highly of her. Just goes to show that people who come from old money will always be awful.

[@BollywoodBonanzaB]

Enron was her dad. Which makes me think she got this 'Trample Everyone To Be First' attitude from THAT apple tree.

[@hjt5894]

I simply do not understand getting convicted to 11 years in prison and voluntarily starting a family, knowing you will be leaving your children. Edit: this is hyperbole. Logically, yes it's obvious she thought this would get her a lighter sentence or is a sociopath/psychopath, so you can stop replying the same basic comment 100 times 😂. That doesn't mean I UNDERSTAND the thought process of creating literal human beings on the off chance it might mean you don't have to take responsibility for your own behaviour.

[@hjt5894]

@Jack I don't know any mothering program in existence that allows you to be there unrestricted for your children whenever they need you. Cushty jail or not.

[@starwolf99]

Ironic that her attempts to succeed in a male-dominated field failed, resulting in her adhering to motherhood to escape jail time. (She got pregnant while on trial?) "I can't go to jail, I have a baby, Your Honor!"

[@Aashka_The_Mystic]

Narcissists do this a lot at trials to try and get sympathy. It never works, but they think it will.

[@GreenEyedGoblin]

A commenter above made a great point, that Elizabeth probably doesn't want to hurt people, but also, doesn't care that she does. I feel like that...perfectly captures why she had kids. She had them to avoid jail. She probably doesn't have any malicious feelings towards them, I imagine loves them dearly...but she doesn't care that by having them to try and game the system, she's forced them to live without their mother for the most vital years of their development.

[@pete6705]

@Jack She could see them once a week on weekends for 30 minutes. But If she's going to Texas they'll be well over 1000 miles away. I don't think her boyfriend is going to fly or drive them over there that often. From what I understand it's not really a pleasant experience to bring kids into prisons either

[@katherinealvarez9216]

I have been ...let's say focused on this case since seeing that documentary. All I can say is this: she pushed out a product that was going to put people's lives in danger because she wanted to be Steve Jobs. And now she's trying to buy herself a redemption arc.

[@cruelworldhappymind]

Agreed 💯

[@PungiFungi]

Not redemption, that would mean she gave to admit to her crimes, but more of a vindication. See, I told you I was innocent!

[@katherinealvarez9216]

@@PungiFungi that is more accurate. Thank you.

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

She must have known at some point though that her house of cards was going to come tumbling down. That's the bit I don't understand as far as her personality goes.

[@rigelb9025]

@@It-is-me...Melsie I think when you're already that deep into running a major scam, it must be hard to look back the other way.

[@sahie]

“People can’t trust women in leadership roles because of Elizabeth Holmes.” Because they’ll happily ignore the literal thousands of men in leadership roles who have defrauded for millions and some of them even for billions. Her dad even WORKED at Enron… 😫

[@Celisar1]

Don’t bother with people who say such a misogynistic nonsense.

[@newnana9070]

Con artist isn’t a gender calling. It’s transsexual!!!! Sadie stop showing your ignorant or is it cultural with you??

[@itemushmush]

yes but she was a rarity in the Silicon Valley / CEO space because she is a woman. People will judge her and women based on her conduct. Men don't have this

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

Mush, STUPID, misogynist losers will judge women for this. And we don't care about their opinion. So it's irrelevant. But thanks for playing. :-)

[@NPC-30]

@@itemushmush Don't be stupid, Stupid.

[@tonydevos]

She embodied girl boss/girl power but when the law came calling to look for responsibility, she pointed to the guy, said it was all his fault, I was just the helpless little girl. A scammer to the end. That guy Evans is one of kind

[@elliotoliver8679]

Sleeping with Balwani is enought to turn anyones stomach, how desprate can you get?

[@legalfictionnaturalfact3969]

... She blamed someone else just like men do! Just like Adam in the Bible!

[@StrawbunnySystem]

Honestly one of the sickest things that we can 100% verify she knew about is deciding to have kids knowing she was going to have to abandon them for the majority of their childhoods. The most selfish move I have ever witnessed.

[@catharinavonk]

Can we be so sure though? I mean yeah she had the kids obviously, but I’m not so sure she thought she would actually go to jail. At the very least, displaying her pregnancy while on trial would only help her gain sympathy, because who sentences a young mother to be??? I know it’s a sick and distorted way of thinking, but this has been argued to be the case. ‘Liz’, or whatever the fuck she wants to be called nowadays, wouldn’t EVER admit that of course. But she did it fucking TWICE. Like wtf??? She birthed two children while in literal court, at pivotal moments. It just blows my mind how someone could do that to NOT TO MENTION HER OWN BLOOD. Those babies were doomed from the start, such a shame. I hate Elizabeth.

[@bohkhuj9247]

She only had those kids to try and get sympathy from the jury.

[@catherinegearhart2102]

Elizabeth Holmes being locked up during (at least) her children’s early lives, is the best gift she could give them. I hope they are being raised by someone who has a soul.

[@jamesrobbins1243]

I'm just now learning today that she went ahead and had a second child. Unbelievable!

[@englishsteel-nz6im]

She's a narcissistic sociopath loon who was never told no in her entire life.... completely expected.

[@jamiebabie]

Steve Jobs also dropped out of college. I am convinced her entire personality is a character. Not only was she copying his style but his career path. She wanted to be another impressive drop out “too good” and “too ambitious” for college

[@MissCaraMint]

Yeah that makes sense actually.

[@JustDeichan]

But she forget that he dropped out cause of money issues and medicine is diffrent from computers.

[@jamiebabie]

@@JustDeichan she’s literally admitted that she was greatly inspired by Steve Jobs

[@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195]

she probably believed she is that. if their parents raised her talking about a “legacy” and she was a straight As student, she very likely had the perfectionism to be seen as gifted and got the illusion of grandeur

[@aaronbasham6554]

Am I the only person who doesn't like Steve jobs and thinks he's a really bad example to follow? Like, he was a psychopath lier whose only solo design was the Apple 3 and that fired the man who designed their most successful product live on stage at it's announcement

[@DanielleStarry]

When psych professionals talk about psychopaths who aren’t violent and don’t murder, Elizabeth is a prime example of that type of individual.

[@semplybalanced3210]

Well technically she’s very violent, just not physically.

[@traceyj2765]

@Semply Balanced…HUH?

[@faithgoga3983]

​@@semplybalanced3210I agree, she could have caused many deaths

[@rigelb9025]

@@semplybalanced3210 Well if she's violent, it would be physically (albeit perhaps 'indirectly'), because she did collect people's blood for nefarious - or ill-informed reasons, at best.

[@definitelynotskynet]

For real. I think we just need to use better words. Not violent, but absolutely HARMFUL.

[@reginayfavors]

The greatest warning sign is when you are unwilling to become a student of what you want to master later. She should have stayed in college, learned about the field, studied it, accepted expertise and wisdom from medical experts, ran Theranos as a research-based and exploratory-based organization, and just published results. The whole one-drop notion could have served as an hypothesis with research questions, results, and conclusions. That would have been the business. Great video lesson. New subscriber.

[@SadiesE]

Very well said💯...AGREED👏🏼 Smh 😔

[@etc115]

How the jury didn't get her on defrauding patients is beyond me.

[@julianwalls1077]

$ and a smart very expensive legal team

[@pretorious700]

The prosecution was either inept, or bought off.

[@newhorizon4066]

Jury is the weakest link in the American justice system. Defense always look at them with eagle eye. In some case (Rittenhouse) they even brought in a juror-"whisperer."

[@CheerupA1]

Because money is the only thing that matters in the US and the patients were not directly paying her company money :(

[@Tommykey07]

Because it was the hardest charge to prove. Listen to the final episode of John Carreyrou's podcast Bad Blood. He discusses the verdict and belies the jury was rather thoughtful in the exercise of their duties.

[@katherinemilsho3804]

As someone who works in a Quality Control lab for a pharmaceutical company I was heavyly invested in this story. Blows my mind the bad chemistry that went on for so long.

[@manic_girl]

Right? And this is BLOOD we’re talking about. Mind blowing.

[@page8301]

Not really anything new, just look at Muskrat and the terrible physics that go on for a decade or terrible AI. Hyperloop and self driving cars were and still are nothing but empty promises from an even emptier headed grifter.

[@jamesw7098]

My wife is a QA director for a biotech company, and she actually brought this story to my attention and I became totally interested. The sheer amount of oversight is astounding. However, despite the grift lasting way longer than it should’ve there will always be scientific evidence that points to the truth, and there will always be the Tyler Schultz’s and Erika Cheung’s of the world that can’t and won’t be suppressed.

[@rahbeeuh]

Pharmaceutical company? Chemistry? Fantastic wordplay 🎉😊

[@vieiradosreismariadelurdes9105]

​@@rahbeeuh kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXjYiIBpo9Gqh9k

[@pewpewenthusiast1607]

As a new mom myself, I can't stand the fact that she's using her kids as a get out jail free card. It infuriates me. I'm biased, I know, I understand that more people have potentially been harmed due to wrong or late test results, but kids? Get them a therapist fast and manage that trauma. Edit: 2 black turtle necks

[@JackDenn]

You have a right to be biased though. Unfortunately, vulnerable people went to them trying to get help, but children had nothing to do with any of this, yet they are the ones who will suffer from having an absent mother. It's irresponsible, selfish, and disgusting, especially because she deliberately got pregnant knowing she would be facing jail time.

[@Blake1720]

She’s ridiculous to think that would work. Most women in prison are mothers and that judge sentences mothers every single day. Reports said she was shocked the judge actually sentenced her! Shows she still is delusional and thinks she’s so special.

[@jamesc5751]

​@Jackie I'm inclined to believe not having a Holmes and her nasty family involved in the upbringing will probably be better for the kids. Imagine being raised by a P.O.S. scammer whom herself was raised by a P.O.S. scammer and a P.O.S. washington lobbyist.

[@jamesc5751]

Actually, it's probably better for society as a whole.

[@rahbeeuh]

​@@JackDennshe didn't believe she'd ever get any time. Her privilege and arrogance prevented her from facing the real possibility of a prison sentence especially after becoming a mother.

[@PurplePlease09]

I truly believe she only had her children to get out of prison time or postpone it. She's smart enough to know someone would pity her and those poor kids.

[@PungiFungi]

It is more like she was trying to punish compassionate people by giving them a guilty conscience for sending her to prison: I may be going to prison, but YOU will have to live with the fact that two young children are deprived of their mother because of YOU. I hope you can sleep at night."

[@jamesrobbins1243]

The internet is vicious. Those kids are definitely going to know that people think they were conceived just for their crooked mother to try to avoid prison.

[@blahxblahxblah100]

She’s obviously not smart enough to know that this tactic wouldn’t work

[@elaineagvent5513]

I agree

[@denisechauvin1965]

Agree

[@randomtology]

I think what always gets me about this case is the sheer amount of class privilege it reeks of. People started investing in her purely because she came from a family with prestige. Then the court system treated her kiddy gloves. And now everyone is like THINK OF THE CHILDREN when let's face it, thousands of female prisoners are separated from their kids and no one ever batted an eye. Like yeah guys, pretty sure you only care because she's a rich pretty white lady, c'mon.

[@elliotoliver8679]

George Shulz made a total ass of himself fawning over EHolmes, even to the point of preferring her over his own grandson. I thought people like him were supposed to be smart

[@sproductionsinc]

@@elliotoliver8679 Rich doesn't equal smart. He also dislikes unions.

[@lordfreerealestate8302]

Yep. Like many others who present themselves as "self-made" billionaires (Kardashians, Elon Musk, Bezos, Trump, etc) they are actually the product of generational wealth.

[@elongatedmusk2537]

I'm in my final year of studying psychology and criminology and I've got some insight into Elizabeth's case. There's a phenomenon with high status fraudsters where they know what they're doing is wrong, but they believe that the ends will justify the means, and therefore, they believe their lies to actually be true. Elizabeth knew she was being deceitful, but she believed so much in her vision and she believed that if she could finally reach her goal, she would be helping millions of people and the deceit would have all been worth it. The guilt of lying had to be 'cancelled out' somewhere and so Elizabeth used the prospect of changing the face of medicine and blood testing for the good of mankind to justify her actions

[@elliotoliver8679]

She was a disgrace of a boss, firing people all over the place is no way to run any business, even if the concept had legs she had no chance of achieving anything with a revolving door of staff

[@sproductionsinc]

@@elliotoliver8679 She was someone whose ego was so big that she believed she could do life changing things without any of the hard work.

[@MSTiekims9952]

I’m a medical technologist - fancy speak for the person running the instruments and bearing the responsibility for the results those instruments produce. This whole debacle blows my, and my co-workers’s minds. There is no possible way a machine like this can exist right now. There is a difference between serum, plasma, and what you get from a finger prick. Incubation times and temperatures, diluents, and anti-coagulants are all different for different tests. Elizabeth thought she could engineer science to make it fit what she wanted it to do. Clinical science doesn’t work like that. She just couldn’t bring herself to admit she was wrong and could not do it.

[@SabinStargem]

While I do not think the ambition of Theranos could ever work, something similar to IBM's workplace suite might have. Back in the 70's or thereabouts, IBM made a series of machines that were meant to talk together and cooperate for workplace tasks - the printer, computer, monitor, fax machine, and so on were all were all compatible and didn't occupy more than several filing cabinets worth of space. They were popular because they "just worked". A set of medical devices that could automate most of the analysis process, physically passing the sample(s) between each other, sharing results, and sending that information to relevant experts might be possible.

[@MSTiekims9952]

@@SabinStargem That already does exist to a certain extent. Our chemistry department has the “line” which centrifuges the sample, splits it between two instruments with different technologies, then stamps the sample shut with foil for storage in the line refrigerator. It automatically purges older samples after a certain amount of time. But chemistry isn’t the only department in a lab. Coagulation, Hematology, and serology all have different sample requirements, different collection prep, etc. Trying to stuff it all into a tiny footprint isn’t going to work, unless you want to go back to a lot of manual testing. This would be due to the limited capacities small instrumentation have.

[@Nonameforyoudangit]

​@MSTieKim S Your perspective is really helpful - and completely backed up by a scientist or two that provided commentary in (I think) the HBO documentary on the subject. The scientists in the doc noted that the laws of physics were absolutely going to work against such a small sample working in the theranos appliance.

[@hollystiener16]

She was told she was wrong from the beginning too.

[@AlexOrozco-Social-Pariah]

Isn't a specific amount of blood needed for it to be a scalable and therefore trustworthy result? I know nothing of this but at least by mathematical principle I'm guessing you can't really evaluate quantities of X in blood without a representative sample.

[@kaylag.5807]

There's an interview somewhere with the whistleblower grandson of one of Theranos investors. He spoke about how his parents, who were well off, had to refinance their home to help pay for legal fees and protect him from the harassment at Theranos. He was repeatedly threatened and the amount of money they had to destroy his life was insane. He said that many of the employees didn't have that kind of power or money but he did so he exposed Theranos. His grandfather thought he was an idiot, but his parents supported him. And when it all came crashing down, he was right. That interview reminded me that Elizabeth was never an underdog "just" because she was a woman. You take just one look at her family and upbringing and it's clear that she was never an underdog. She came from an old money family. She went to school overseas and even went to an Ivy League school. She was never underprivileged like she wanted so many people to believe.

[@Nonameforyoudangit]

Tyler Schultz. His parents weren't that well-off: they were high school teachers.

[@mintyhobbit]

Hey! Random thing to note here, but I was a TV reporter in Bryan, TX the last couple of years, and that news screenshot you took is footage I captured driving and walking around the outside of the prison fence when we first covered that story! It’s so cool to see this many people out of our small city notice it! 😊

[@sos-pl8pf]

I love that for you!

[@scottbuck1572]

Why are courtroom drawing so nice? The colors, the style; I feel like whoever does these really enjoys it

[@beeflykitty7293]

Thank you for making this video! I was a pharmacy technician at Walgreens when they partnered with Theranos and it was such a horrible experience! We had mandatory training to be basically phlebotomist when they had a team that were certified phlebotomists. They would literally would watch us with out helping us. They did not offer NO RAISES!! A lot of doctors HATED theranos! Customers service from theranos would “lose” results patients would be so damn mad. Labcorp and Sandra quest were just shaking their head. A lot of doctors were “paid” to use their services. Walgreens lost ALOT certified pharmacy techs due to this. And I was one of them. ** also I’m from Arizona and once doctors started getting suspicious about the results they would come in order random or all test wait for the result and then go to labcorp and Sanora Quest to compare results.😮 then call us to yell and I would have to give them the Theranos customer service number.

[@TheElf_Online]

I’m firmly of the belief that sharing information across specialties is incredibly important in medicine, and working together for a more holistic look at patient care is needed (holistic in the sense of looking at the whole, not as in the pseudoscience based “alternative medicine” way), but when it comes down to the actual work, it should always be done by the trained specialists. There’s a reason that most medical jobs require as much education as they do to even enter the field, I wouldn’t trust a pharmacy tech to do my blood tests in the same way I wouldn’t trust a phlebotomist to dispense my medication. It’s just not what they’re trained to do.

[@GhoulishTeatime]

xD NO RAISES!!!!!

[@lindseystein9676]

A recent article about her is so fascinating. She’s reinvented herself as Liz, a sweet stay at home mother, & completely had the journalist fooled in their time together for the interview. In the article, it talks about how the journalist was told by colleagues “she’s fooled you!” and talks about some of her manipulation tactics. If her scam didn’t make it to consumers/patients, it wouldn’t have been so bad. Her “testing” affected a lot of people and gave them wildly inaccurate results. I really feel for the person who was possibly going through a miscarriage and was given inaccurate results regarding pregnancy hormones, which is key to know if you’re experiencing a miscarriage or if your pregnancy is going as it should. It really bothers me Elizabeth Holmes wasn’t convicted on those charges, it was just the fraud of scamming extremely wealthy people of their $.

[@PungiFungi]

All the charges brought against her were for financially defrauding both the investors and patients, nothing about medical battery or medical fraud. It would appear medical fraud will require another trial.

[@monolyza_]

Whats scary is that people quickly forget and these clowns are immediately rewriting history. Its scary af

[@MsEverAfterings]

I hate that magazines and respected news giants are giving people like Holmes and Bankman-fried airtime to whitewash themselves. What a load of bs

[@sapphirecamui6447]

Well, who has the money? the pregnant woman or the extremely wealthy people? And do the latter care about the former?

[@PrometheanRising]

I have to wonder if Holmes reinvention holds up to actual scrutiny any better than the Theranos house of cards. I do find it interesting that collectively the medical testing devices professionals don't seem to have ever believed her hype and claims, but somehow no one was asking for their opinion.

[@sadiekayx]

We know EXACTLY how she was able to do this. But IMO, I don’t think enough people actually UNDERSTAND that she probably isn’t the master manipulator she’s been made out to be. Neglectful? Yes. Fraudulent? Def. Delusional? Probably. But captivating the attention of rich old men and milking them as cash cows does not make her a charismatic super genius manipulator. Especially considering the position she was literally born into. EH had built-in status, money, and connections. Her proximity to (ridiculously empty headed) men in power is what convinced other men she was the “real deal.” Tbh, I think investors should also face repercussions for poor due diligence.

[@MissCaraMint]

Yeah she was served these connections on a silver salver. All she had to do was take advantage of them. Still a certain level of charisma was probably needed to do that.

[@AmyB369]

I agree to invest lots of money in something that has not been verified is definitely an error on the part of the investor

[@Julianaao2601]

Agree! Responsibly investing should be a thing.

[@PungiFungi]

Let's not forget that everybody was eager to jump on the bandwagon that she was a WOMAN in a traditional male dominated field. All these men she seduced and manipulated were more than eager to earn a little bit on their Social Justice score.

[@rampion1228]

Absolutely, especially in the medical field they had a duty of care to ensure they weren't investing in something that could harm or defraud patience seeking medical treatment. These are the same kinds of people who protect their investments at the expense of the consumer/patient. I have no doubt that if it had been financially profitable for them to keep the scam going they would have done so.

[@nerdee89]

I’m Singaporean, trust me when I say we all mainly speak English here. The fact that she claims she got an internship just because she can speak mandarin is laughable, especially in the sector she’s in.

[@lillyanderson753]

I was 11 when Theranos was exposed. I'm about to turn 19. Just to give you an idea of how long she avoided consequences...

[@beaulieuonnp593]

Wow yes

[@petrhorak3268]

I remember reading a story about testing drop of blood and that is the future. I thought what a BS and that was when I was just a teenager lol.

[@tonichan89]

She is so creepy. 😰 She constantly widens her eyes, but worse... she doesn't b l i n k It freaks me out! BLINK, WOMAN! Prove to me you're not an android!

[@lennymwale411]

Right,so scary!

[@itemushmush]

i think holmes is really attractive tbh

[@WhoAmEye_WhoAreEwe]

@@itemushmush yeah but she's got a pretty shitty personality........and as Jules said, ".... Personality goes a long way...."

[@matthewchewning3822]

@@itemushmush stop simping

[@itemushmush]

@@matthewchewning3822 no

[@PungiFungi]

The hate that Elizabeth Holmes is getting from the public is well earned. She gleefully and vindictively went after whistleblowers, hiring detectives to follow them and harassed them, she especially tried to destroy Tyler Shultz's life via her attack dog lawyers. She treated her employees like crap, driving one, Ian Gibbons, to suicide, and later in her testimony during her trial, claimed that he, a man who can longer refute her, told her that her fake machines worked. She was eager to take all the credit when she was believed and quickly blame others when she was exposed. She played the victim during her trial, constantly showing up to court holding hands with her parents or Bill Evans to play the poor little girl unfairly being attacked, and then claiming sexual abuse to avoid paying the piper, a slap in the face of real SA victims. She timed her first pregnancy to fall on the month of the start of her trial, delaying it, and so she can also show up to court with the baby and a diaper bag to emphasized that being a mother, the jury should acquit her. Nearly worked, as one juror actually asked to be excused. She timed her second pregnancy so she can plead the belly and be fully showing when she was being sentenced. In my opinion, the justice system treat women and their children the way it does because it will discourage them from using their reproductive system as a get out of jail card, which Holmes tried to do. Holmes to this day and to the end, have shown no remorse and have taken no responsibility to the lives she had affected, including small time investors who lost their money to her lie, and the people whose lives were turned upside down because they thought they had a life threatening condition. People may not hate her because most of her victims were big time investors who could afford the loss, but because of her constant egregious attitude and behavior.

[@angelicMisha]

"Plead the belly" is now how I'm gonna describe women who try to use pregnancy/motherhood as an excuse when they're trying to avoid well-deserved jail time.

[@jackalope07]

​@@angelicMisha It's an actual English common law term from the 16th century, where a pregnant criminal's death sentence could be stayed until they gave birth

[@Blake1720]

It’s crazy someone wanted to marry her during all of this. That’s so much stress on a marriage.

[@ronniemead805]

@@Blake1720 Her powers of persuasion is off the charts. She is going to be in so much agony wondering what the young, handsome millionaire, Billy boy is up to.

[@lornarettig3215]

⁠@@Blake1720 It’s crazy that anyone wanted to marry (and breed with) this pompous dullard at all, in my opinion 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@13realmusic]

I'm convinced she only had those kids to 1) avoid jail time and 2) lockdown that fiancé knowing his parent's didn't approve of her.

[@lornarettig3215]

100% agree with the first one; can’t see the handsome young billionaire baby-daddy waiting over a decade for this dull egomaniac.

[@tullyDT]

While I feel sorry for her kids, I have to ask did she care that other people's children may have been left growing up without mothers or fathers because of her fraud?

[@cookiemocher388]

That's a stretch, she probably just thought she wasn't gonna be in jail

[@charlesferdinand422]

The dad worked at Enron, the mom worked at Congress and she worked in healthcare. That's the devil's trifecta right there.

[@ChuckDsChic]

Can you imagine if Elizabeth went on Shark Tank? Mark Cuban "I'm out" and Kevin would call her a scammer...🤣😂

[@jessicasa211]

If you think her idea of a finger prick technology was far fetch you have to remember that her original start-up idea was a wearable patch that does all the diagnosis and cures you in real-time and not the Edison. That idea came after the fact that the patch was so far-fetch she gave up on it after spending years of doing researching and she even patent it. The patch was supposed to have built-in wifi and Bluetooth so it can communicate with doctors so will know what medicine to insert into your skin. Think about that. A wearable patch that has all the medicine put into it and has Bluetooth and wifi and also a large enough battery to sustain and provide power all day long. This was in 2003 now. That was the original product that she wants to put out in the market, not the Edison.

[@newnana9070]

Girlfriend was a visionary but didn’t want to put in the real work to get there. You only have failure and cons when the money becomes your focus and greed takes over your brain!

[@Ultradude604]

So easy to create! Just hire people to do it! 🤣

[@eerielconstantine5051]

I too can invent a machine that runs on magic 😂

[@annamallen90]

😂😂😂🤦‍♀️

[@anbuookami13]

I'm so glad you brought up the voice thing 😂 Also to add in. Being a ceo or high ranking person in the corporate world does not mean you're more intelligent than those who may work for you

[@bararobberbaron859]

Great example is Elon Musk and Space X. He's not a dumb man by any means, but he's got actual rocket scientists working for him, plus the whole design and testing team, mission control etc. I could believe at least 40% of his staff at Space X are smarter than he is. The R&D department at Tesla falls under the same logic.

[@billmozart7288]

​@Bara Robber Baron Elon's not smart. He's just too rich to ever face consequences for being wrong about anything, and always has been. Emerald mine apartheid money will do that

[@lornarettig3215]

She has finally admitted that the obviously stupid fake voice was fake. Which is strange, given that not only she but her whole family swore up and down that it wasn’t. 🤷🏼‍♀️ She now pretends she was ‘playing a character’, presumably from the Alex Jones school of taking responsibility for your behaviour 😏

[@rahbeeuh]

​@@lornarettig3215really? I gotta look that up bc, like you said they all were pretty adamant about that being her real voice

[@annamolly9446]

a smart CEO would intentionally hire people SMARTER than them, bc CEO or not, no one can do EVERY skill/job.

[@1dg4fk_lilly24]

Her idea was almost innovative- but was doomed from the start. If she really wanted her company to take off and make millions, she should’ve worked with biochemical engineers and biochemical scientists and analysts, who would’ve advised her about the best possible ways to execute her vision. But I guess she stopped caring about results once the money came in. As someone who works in a biochemical lab, the idea of doing every single blood test on just a few drops of blood is unattainable, and would most likely render inaccurate results.

[@emilyslicer2843]

Seriously, I’ve never even worked with blood Ive worked primarily with RNA, and with my bachelors I know that it is simply not possible to use that tiny amount for anything besides molecular bullshit, and even then I don’t like that sample size

[@rinanomainichi]

"Having just the vision's no solution, everything depends on execution" (c). I think she was too obsessed with her vision. All these beautiful selling points: one drop of blood, one stylish box... She easily could make a working product but she didn't want it to be realistically imperfect. She was selling concepts and esthetics, not science. Should have called her company Estheranos.

[@PungiFungi]

@@rinanomainichi an idea is just an idea. A lot of people had the idea of a flying machine but most people attribute its invention to the Wright Brothers, and justifiably so.

[@darksidegryphon5393]

Mom of the year award goes to:

[@Km10092]

I remember feeling just super disappointed when I heard about this case because if she had been honest and if the product had worked (or even a similar product that used a little more blood), it really would’ve meant a lot to millions of people. Early detection of disease is so important and with blood testing being so expensive in the current market (even with health insurance a lot of the time), it would’ve really made a difference for people to be able to get tests at a more affordable price. Instead of seeing the patients as actual people, she saw them as a marketing tool. She pretended to care about them in order to cultivate her image and boost her profile.

[@stumpyjoe3507]

I’m 99% sure her favorite quotes and her ignoring the people who said it was impossible comes from her beliefs in the law of attraction. I watched “the secret” and some of her favorite quotes were also in that video/book. Of the many practices and techniques they use is believing it’s happened before it happened. They don’t know how their dream will manifest but if they act like it has already happened and live their lives like it’s already happened, it will eventually manifest on its own. The law of attraction is something I’ve heard lots of entrepreneurs preach about to new entrepreneurs.

[@aquasnek5487]

It's such a cult.

[@stumpyjoe3507]

@@aquasnek5487 Facts! And you can’t have a productive realistic conversation with those who live that way because even though you’re sincerely wondering how they’ll achieve or conquer their sometimes unrealistic goals, they give very “dreamy” optimistic vague answers like “I don’t know how but the universe will make it happen for me!”

[@sproductionsinc]

@@stumpyjoe3507 And make a vision board lol

[@skelvetron]

her attempts to avoid prison again and again is so ridiculous lmfao it’s insane

[@Sienisota]

It's working. That's what's insane. She destroyed and likely got people killed. But her family is rich and has connections

[@MoonWitch77]

Many many moons ago…..I got sent to Walgreens for some blood work. Because it was “affordable”. So did my life partner. Years later we get a card in the mail about a class action lawsuit against Theranos. We didn’t have to do anything. And a few years later we got our checks in the mail. Mine for 32$, his for like 26$. 😂😂😂 I’ve been following this case for years !!! But took way to long for her to get sentenced ! And she didn’t even get half of what she deserved ! She endangered MILLIONS of citizens lives !!! Like WTAF ?!

[@marymaza2187]

It's ironic how Elizabeth wanted to push the "Girl Boss" image and empower women while literally dressing and speaking like a man.

[@cuckoophendula8211]

As a guy myself, I tried to emulate her fake voice a few times. What's amusing about it was that it was like talking while in a perpetual yawn for me.

[@cosmically4286]

While she’s extremely scummy this is a very harmful view to have towards ppl in general . People can express themselves and their gender however they want, and a woman can both dress and act more masculine and still be proud of her identity as a woman and her accomplishments as such. (Again not saying that Holmes had real accomplishments or anything, I’m widely speaking about ppl as a whole). That kind of comment is kind of the same logic that’s used to harass butch lesbians, women of colour with features that are deemed more « masculine » or anyone deemed out of the norm

[@MissCaraMint]

@Cosmically But she literally did that on purpose. It eas her marketing strategy. Honestly the person you should be bringing this up with is Elizabeth who is manipulating her presentation using those stereotypes you mentioned in order to get whatever effect she desires. She’s actively perpetuating them.

[@cosmically4286]

@@MissCaraMint I don't know how I could have made this clearer than it already is in my comment, but this isn't about Holmes and this original comment IS harmful in itself outside of her situation. While ppl will speculate on whatever or not Holmes was faking it, comments like theses can and will have collateral damages and this kind of logic *is* used against innocent masc women all the time. It essentially tells masc women they're not ""real"" women and don't deserve to be proud of being woman. And if I'm being honest, I don't care whatever or not Holmes was faking being more masculine. It wouldn't have changed her shitty antics and actions, and she would have made things difficult for other women whatevers she acted more masculine or feminine. I think that speculating on gender expression to try to make a point is dumb to begin with. It's the one thing about this situation that's no one's business

[@nineteenfortyeight6762]

@@cosmically4286 we don't have to speculate. She has admitted the voice was put- on. She doesn't talk like that, dress like that, or anything like that anymore. She wasn't expressing herself, she was manipulating people.

[@Tommykey07]

Why did she do it? Because she loved the power and the glamor and she believed that she would always escape accountability. It’s like in cartoons when someone runs off a cliff but continues to defy gravity for a while.

[@joen8529]

But the funniest part of this whole saga… the idea that pricking your fingertip, which you actually USE to pick up and handle things in your life, to the point of bleeding, is somehow any more desirable than a needle in your arm.

[@LynIsALilADHD]

The thing that gets me the most red is how she gave so many people hope. When she and theranos were making news, I was right in the thick of a still unknown (but seemingly resolved now) illness that required pretty regular blood testing. In amounts that meant I always left the doc lightheaded. She made me believe there was maybe an end to that coming..... I know I'm not the one who fell for it.

[@MissCaraMint]

That’s it though. People who are sick and vulnerable are ready to believe this stuff because they are desperate for an answer. It’s one of the most fertile groups for scammers and cult leaders. That’s why we must make protecting this group a priority.

[@joen8529]

I hear you on the lightheaded thing but… I’d much, much rather have a needle in the arm than damage my fingertips I actually have to use every day!

[@MissCaraMint]

​@@joen8529 Perhaps, but remember she also sold this as affordable healthcare for those who couldn’t afford expencive tests. One machine being able to test for everything would mean lower costs and better availability after all. She deliberately took advantage of the poor healthcare system that made people desperate for any solution. Also remember you can prick off to the side of your finger rather than at the very tip or on the pad. I have administered quite a few of these pricks both on myself and others, and honestly you don’t really damage your fingertips unless you overdo the pricking on a single finger rather than spread them out. And you could also theoretically prick alternate sites instead of your fingers. Some newer bloodsugar testing devices allow this. Unfortunately this wholly impossible for what Elizabeth Holmes was proposing. A drop is enough for a bloodsugar test, and so far that’s about it. Maybe one day it will be different, but the tech was certainly not anywhere near ready when Holmes made her company based on this idea. Also at home tests are so easily compromised anyway. Even bloodsugar ones. If you handle something sweet and then forget to wash your hands before taking a test then the result will show way higher sugar levels than is actually present. So immagine a test that tests for everything. Doing even a small thing wrong could compromise one or several test results. You can tell there weren’t actual doctors involved with any of this.

[@andarwarje8127]

You cosplaying her in this video made me so happy 😂

[@kellydonaldson1409]

❤️

[@kiarahenson444]

It's crazy how she did all of that....all the energy she used to be a scammer..she could've actually took the time to build herself up the legit way😂

[@YouTubeTeacherRemote]

I am here in support of you as a person, mother and creator. I found out about channel from a Swoop doc and really like your content, more so the person that you are. Thank you ❤ This case particularly bothers me, as I worked in lab science and cardiac care over 2 decades. So many people were excited for new technology but none of us could see how blood tests could be done with just a few drops of blood from the finger. Yes we were excited because of all the things you mentioned, pain, fear of needles etc. In the medical field after performing venipuncture or phlebotomy aka drawing blood, the first 5 to 10 drops of blood are tissue fluid therefore taking a few more drops before we get to the true blood cells so we were curious how this test would get around that. The amount of people who have had potentially faulty tests results from this makes me feel sick, to boot she got millions for it; A test that most basic level medical professionals KNOW will never work with a few drops of blood and diluting blood samples but she didn't care, she was gonna force it to work regardless who got hurt imo. 47:07 exactly! What does he love about her? The irony of the legacy sad for her child. Failure and coming up short is not a crime??? This was a crime against humanity as people had missed diagnosis and may have even died. Deep pain because she failed them??? What about people who got HURT because of her fake success while she was using patients health as collateral damage in her game of fortune 500. Amazing coverage. Definitely a new fan ❤

[@azraelsoluna110]

What BOGGLES my mind is how terrible people are at detecting authenticity. The moment this woman starts talking my gut gets filled with massive knots. How in the world did she fool as many people as she did? I guess FOMO is the real deal in the investment world...

[@ambernixon8240]

completely unreal that she got as far as she did with this. Just unbelievable

[@DanielleStarry]

The only part that’s wild to me is that it was a woman. It’s usually men, isn’t it?

[@alexmiller7173]

@@DanielleStarry There's several well-known female con-artists: Elizabeth Holmes, Anna Delvey, Melissa Caddick, Charlie Javice, etc.

[@AndiWolfMan077]

How did this lady think we were gonna be so easy fooled by her persona she's putting on when she's literally about to go to jail? Seriously. I don't get it.

[@lassoroot]

Probably because she seems to be surrounded by rich people who do nothing but encourage her...absolutely delusional

[@WobblesandBean]

She's a sociopath, she knows how to put on different fake personas as you or I would a new outfit. Her whole identity right now is an act, just like it was back then.

[@samisass6759]

Call me an A hole but the fact that she has kids shouldn’t be a factor. Her kids have nothing to do with that she did. And I refuse to believe that the timing of having baby’s was a coincidence

[@kidd32888]

There is an A hole in your comment but that is not you. It is the one who uses her children to manipulate ppl

[@spamtownhamilton6200]

You're completely correct, it doesnt make you an ahole to state so. Her having children or not is of absolutely no relevance. That is on her, not the legal system to make things convenient for her. Probably half of prisoners are parents, why should they treat her with any special care at all? We know why, she is from a wealthy well connected family. Wealthy well connected people literally never face meaningful legal consequences, unless the rare case they are "being made an example of". Prison is for the peasantry, and the more of a peasant you are the more the system is against you, whether you are the criminal or not.

[@throwawayaccount4008]

Oh, she absolutely had those babies to stall for time. If anything, that just makes me feel bad for the kids. Imagine finding out the only reason why you exist is because your mum tried to reduce her prison sentence!

[@jloiben12]

Her dad being a VP at Enron is peak irony

[@ellencoleman4604]

While I understand the frustration that she wasn't convicted on every count, I also don't think it's fair to scapegoat her for all convictions when, as you say, no one did their due diligence on the products they were investing or buying into. You can't blame every problem on this one woman, she's part of a wider, failed system, and the investors and Wallgreens should also be held culpable.

[@beverlyny3255]

not even 10 minutes in and Elizabeth’s pseudo deep voice is killing me with cringe and laughter 😭

[@mediocre_auntie143]

It's even more ironic that the dog was named Balto, a dog who took all the credit for the run despite only running the last 55 miles. Oh the irony

[@limbo576]

Awww really?! I use to love the animated Balto movie as a kid 🐺 I guess it's pretty obvious that it's loosely based on a true story, since animals don't talk 😶 Still tho :(

[@mediocre_auntie143]

@@limbo576 Look up the story, Togo was the real hero. He ran over 200 miles of the most dangerous part of the trip.

[@Zoraya4833]

😂😂😅

[@aquasnek5487]

The dog claimed nothing. 😂😂

[@meggy0]

Madison, you're amazing. I've been a sub for ages and was there with the Tyra Banks video and the fallout from a **certainperson**. I'm sure its bittersweet to see whats happening now, hope you're okay and that this validated you and your feelings and experience. Just know we all love you and your content so much!

[@emilyslicer2843]

Hmmm is this perhaps referencing A Pyramid 👀

[@cuckoophendula8211]

Hey there and to anyone else coming across this comment, just a quick note that the channel FPS Diesel just came out with a video about **certainperson**, and there's a segment where he shared an email exchange between himself and Madison about her thoughts and experiences on the matter (with her permission). I think it's about 1/3rd of the way into his video, and it did include a little more about Madison's account during her phone call with **certainperson**. Soon after the segment, he tells us that Madison is currently really busy and is currently on the fence about making a video about it (which I understand may feel a bit weird for her to share on her channel nowadays).

[@TheHarmonygrace]

Wait what happened??

[@always-alicia]

Triangle girl brought me here… unsubscribed from her and just now subbed CWHM!!! Go Madison!!!

[@cuckoophendula8211]

@@always-alicia Welcome aboard! I say this as someone who was once subbed to both channels until that particular incident occurred. Fun story on my end was after the two talked things out and Blair talked about it on her community tab, I commented that I resubbed to Blair saying that I'm happy that things got worked out sooner rather than later. After that, Blair blocked me xD

[@haveaniceday2208]

Really great of you to bring into the conversation the pressures she may have experienced as a child to succeed and continue the family legacy

[@jloiben12]

Holmes: Look at my prestigious board. No company has this much firepower. Sane people: How many of them have medical experience or expertise? Holmes: … Sane people: So the board doesn’t have the knowledge to actually oversee the business?

[@captainhope]

Her behaviour just screams narcissism to me. She didn't want to be wrong because she could never be wrong in her eyes. I think her continuous lies even when she got caught was a desperate attempt by a narcissist trying to control a situation.

[@DanielleStarry]

Psychopathy IMO

[@maxine9321]

she girl bossed directly into the sun

[@larsfinlay7325]

medical science is complicated. better to trust doctors than start up wannabes.

[@SN-qd9qw]

“They were deceived by a Stanford dropout in her early 20s, and that’s kind of on you” regarding the Walton family. My favorite line.

[@shadowdemon2272]

The irony of Elizabeth naming her dog Balto 😂 don't get me wrong, Balto (like from the animated movie/original story) was a wonderful dog who did participate in the Nome medicine delivery, but unlike the narrative they built around him afterword, irl he wasn't a dog/wolf hybrid, he wasn't an outcast (he was owned by one man but used as a sled dog by another man who cared for him deeply), and he only ran a small and relatively safe part of the course, not the whole thing.

[@AcappellaTidbits]

I can NEVER get enough Theranos content and the fact that it's from you I'm ❤❤❤❤

[@cruelworldhappymind]

Thank you so much and omg I feel the same way!!

[@KaraCamilleDelonas]

This whole thing makes me so sad. If theranos actually did work it would've forever changed medicine for the better. I think she got away with it for so long because people so desperately wanted it to be true

[@lealeawalker1820]

Can’t wait to see this Madison!! Can’t believe how much you have grown in your KZbin career. Been with you from approximately 10,000 subscribers. Thank you ❤ Edited to add that I remember your blue kitchen days. 🎉

[@cruelworldhappymind]

Aw thank you so much!! That means the world that you’ve been following my journey for that long! 🥹❤❤

[@bravomommy]

i remember the blue kitchen good times ❤

[@lealeawalker1820]

@@bravomommy “I’m back in my blue kitchen with another crazy video”, 😊

[@cuckoophendula8211]

I love how around 2:15, you can hear that chime sound that's likely a throwback to the blue kitchen days xD

[@BrownCoatCaptn]

Man the blue kitchen days, brings me back. ❤

[@joen8529]

Elizabeth Holmes fake low voice is one of the funniest things to ever happen in history.

[@Remindme69]

The thing that fascinates me with Elizabeth, is her unbreakable denial. You could confront her with videos of her telling countless lies (as they did) and she still STILL will say " I didn't say that " or " I don't remember ". That's incredible.

[@WobblesandBean]

Narcissists gonna narcissist.

[@lornarettig3215]

Same. I know this personality forward and back, but I have never concluded whether they know it’s true but flat-out refuse to admit it - so are being wilfully obnoxious - or do they actually somehow believe their own nonsense??

[@rahbeeuh]

​@@lornarettig3215both things can be true

[@Remindme69]

@@lornarettig3215 that'll be an eternal unanswered question for me... I'm afraid that even if that behaviour is explained to us for decades, we might never be able to wrap our heads around that concept...

[@hollystiener16]

The thing that fascinates me is that her husband fell for her.

[@katxd123]

Girl are we not gonna talk about how her dad was the vice president of ENRON ???? The apple truly doesn't fall far from the tree

[@jaehoyt2834]

Someone from Thernos tried to recruit me back in the day right before I graduated with neuroscience and psychology. I made the decision to pass and work with a spine surgeon because my goal was med school. Wow, I am so happy I made that decision. Love this video.

[@ramenmexico6012]

I’ve seen many videos commenting and analyzing the Theranos case. You are the only one that immediately mentions THE actual issue that made this project non feasible FROM THE BEGINNING: Two drops of blood are simply not enough to run 50 tests. It is biologically impossible. But because none of the board members nor management were physicians, they didn’t get it right away. As you say, it is unbelievable that it took 11 years for someone to look into that.

[@sasamafrass]

I have to give Elizabeth credit for being able to build so much hype and mystic around herself. If anything this proves that rich/ultra wealthy people are not actually any smarter than us regular povos. I am a petite woman that had a naturally high, small voice when I was young. When I worked at a customer service call center I quickly learned to deepen my voice to be taken seriously, especially with men. So dumb that I had to do that 🙄 It took me taking singing lessons for fun to get my natural voice back, lol. Zero turtlenecks 😅

[@Karmadeezy]

It’s like naming a MLM ‘Pyramid Scheme’ or like naming a KZbin Channel ‘Illuminaghti’

[@MissCaraMint]

That’s actually pretty good.

[@lomiles83]

She said "girl bossed a little too close to the sun" 😂😂😂

[@IllyDragonfly]

I mean her dad had his company going bankrupt and putting so many lives in danger... is THIS the legacy she wanted to imitate????

[@MissCaraMint]

Apparently so.

[@devinjanosov]

If you don’t want to be separated from your children, don’t break the law and have kids. As a lawyer, it’s the best advice I can give you.

[@Deenurr]

Speaking in a deeper voice is a pretty smart psychological move, it’s been proven that men are less likely to listen to and respect a higher pitched voice. Margaret Thatcher was actually coached to speak in a lower register so she would be taken more seriously by fellow male politicians

[@JenniferOhh]

Not first dangelo wallace and now you talking about this, STOKED (also why is your editing so on fire always)

[@cruelworldhappymind]

Thank you so much I try my best! And omg as I was working on this I saw he posted a video on her 😂 great minds think alike I guess!! 🤷‍♀️

[@JenniferOhh]

@cruelworldhappymind EXACTLY and they're both bringing so much information that no matter who talks about it it always is so informative ❤️

[@Neicywoods]

Thank you! I always felt like her voice sounded like it hurts. I am just ready for her to go to prison already. I am also annoyed she was not found guilty of defrauding patients.

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

I first heard about your channel during the latest Triangle Lady drama and ever since then I've dropped her and switched to your channel wholesale, listening to you while I work. This is top shelf information and I guess one might say entertainment. Please keep up the good work.

[@applebonker141]

the idea that women on Tiktok ironically or unironically idolize her or make fancams of her make me think the Internet was a mistake 💀

[@toolegittoquit_001]

Well, TikTok is a mistake

[@H.P.93]

She deserves everything she gets and more. She's shown no real remorse and seems more upset about the hit to her reputation and that she got caught, rather than that her lies could have killed people. I feel bad for her kids, because it wouldn't surprise me if her actions impact them in the future. I also hate how, instead of taking responsibility, she played the poor, naive woman who couldn't possibly have done any of this. She acts like because she's a wealthy white woman, she shouldn't have to face consequences for her actions. Also, regarding her being a new mom, she did choose to have children knowing what she was facing and that there was a very, very good chance she'd need to go to prison. One of the kids, i believe, would have been conceived around the time she was found guilty. So, at that point, the separation seems to be on her...

[@medes5597]

Deliberately conceived after being found guilty. According to the insiders, she truly believed that she couldn't possibly be sent to prison with a newborn. She was apparently shocked when the judge sentenced her and denied her attempts to beat prison

[@MissCaraMint]

@Communist Shoplifting I’m not surprised. White collar criminals often face a shocking lack of jail time. It seems to me like she was betting on this being true for her as well. Then getting pregnant to “seal the deal” so to speak. Problem was she that she chose a lot of powerful victims. Rather than just poor people she defrauded the rich as well. So I’m guessing she wasn’t able to rely on those super nice friends in high placed that other white collar criminals have relied on in the past to get out of things.

[@PungiFungi]

@@medes5597 it is obvious that she didn't do her research into how the system handle mothers and pregnant women and their children. Or she thought she was a special case and hence will get special consideration.

[@Timmeh_The_tyrant]

You should look for some of those final 20 employees and interview them about what it was like going to work during those last days.

[@elam3654]

My first reaction to the children issue: "I guess two wasn't enough. She needed to pop out more to get her conviction overturned." XD

[@DiaryOfJane04]

Do I already know this case like the back of my hand? Yes. Am I still gonna watch this entire video? Definitely.

[@vaishnavishirsekar6369]

So true

[@jaimerson-qx9kf]

I'm surprised that there was no mention of that new york times article that interviews Homles and her rebrand to "Liz(zzy) the mom" bc that is Homles's way of saving face.

[@itsyissel]

It's infuriating that she will suffer no repercussions for the harm inflicted on the victims. I wish she'd been convicted on all counts. Also: two black turtle necks, but one is more of a mock neck and short sleeve 🤷‍♀

[@RIPPEDPANTYHOSEGORL]

This channel has very quickly became my favourite, Amazing work Maddison 💜

[@homersimpson6707]

Elizabeth Holmes: the center of a Venn diagram between delusion, narcissism, "can-do attitude", good looks and willful ignorance. This is both the person and the venture-capitalist vultures who feasted on her dream.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your videos girl! And yeah that woman had WAY more ego than sense...

[@cruelworldhappymind]

Thank you so much!! ❤❤

[@alliu6562]

Same and the best part is when she dressed like Holmes for parts of the recording 🤣 when I noticed I was rolling

[@RobG1729]

... and the red lipstick.

[@Aashka_The_Mystic]

I had to get some bloodwork done recently and they had this really cool suction device with a needle in it. You just stick it on your arm and push a button. You don't even feel a thing! I was thinking, Elizabeth Holmes, eat your heart out because someone else has come up with a better solution 😂

[@beawilderment]

Imagine being her kid and growing up to find out 😢

[@whaddyaa]

13:32 the way he shakes his head "no" while saying yes and hesitates when asked if he trusts the test 😅😅

[@Ratciclefan]

Between her and the Juicero guy, and the way Steve Jobs treated his employees, looking up to Steve Jobs should seriously be a red flag

[@lanaesworld6976]

Also, I have to say how awesome it has been to watch you from the almost start of your channel, and being married to someone in the military was what made me have a soft spot for you. Then i realized how smart and eloquently you spoke fornyour age. Then watching you grow in your channel and your little family has made me smile. My husband was in the marines for over a decade and in the end we were in Coronado and have 4 kids now and back in Houston tx. But I'm a little older than you and honestly impressed me on different levels and find myself thinking how I wish I could have been as intelligent as you even at my age haha. Thanknyou for just giving me great videos that consistently are getting better with everything from researching to editors etc.

[@starwolf99]

Also, the market pitch sounds like something out of "Get Smart": "My Edison machine can perform 50 tests with a drop of blood. Would you believe that?" "No." "Would you believe 40 tests?" "No." "How about two tests with a tub of O-positive?"

[@scottehm86]

A great joke for the boomers and gen x crowd 😂

[@crazylatingirl94]

there's nothing admirable about what she did, woman or not. it's not a power move to scam people and have such a disregard for life and health. doesn't matter that she. people's livelihoods were destroyed. she put so many people at risk. I'm sure the people supporting her or celebrating her would be singing a different tune if it was their lives that were personally affected, and it's sad that people can never seem to care about things unless it personally affects them.

[@katla_phc]

At this point, whenever something about Elizabeth Holmes is on the news, since my boyfriend and I are late-20s professionals living in Silicon Valley, I like to turn to him and say with fake disappointment “we are such failures, she has been scamming people for billions for years by the time she was our age.” It’s weirdly comforting.