Cessna Citation Operations - Deice and Anti-ice Procedures

[@VASAviation]

Awesome video as always. Gotta give Kudos to those de-icing guys being out there in the cold working for us. Round of aplause and all my appreciation

[@citationpro]

True story! Those guys deal with some tough conditions on the line! Thanks for watching.

[@fivestringslinger]

When I was working on the line (and running that exact truck!) we had a transient pilot who insisted on being pushed into a heated hangar to de-ice his aircraft. This despite our warnings at the risk of pulling it back out while it was still snowing. The airplane got cleared of ice. But sure enough, when we pulled it back out by the time they were ready to go, snow was hitting the warm wing, melting and quickly refreezing into ice so he ended up needing the deice truck anyway. Hate to say we told ya so, but we told ya so! Good and informative video. Still haven't got a chance to introduce myself since I don't even know exactly who you are even though I've probably seen you a dozen times.

[@citationpro]

I've heard other pilots advocate for putting a clean airplane into a cold hangar to cold soak it and prevent ice from sticking when pulled out. I can see how that might work, but I don't know how much it would cost to intentionally lose all the heat out of a heated hangar, or how long it would take either. Pilots come up with all kinds of odd ideas. The surefire approach is to either deice or stick it in a hangar until the weather clears. We'll meet one of these days!

[@johnnyz8423]

Did you have to spray the tailplane?

[@citationpro]

Yes, we did to be safe. The airplane was pulled from a warm hangar out into the blizzard. We started engines and got moving as quickly as we could, but some of the snow was melting on the warm airframe and refreezing, so we opted to deice. Due to the extremely cold temps, we knew the Type I would freeze before we could get to a runway so we opted to apply Type IV as well.

[@johnnyz8423]

@@citationpro thanks for the video. That was great info. Especially the cost.

[@citationpro]

@@johnnyz8423 You're welcome! Most pilots new to this world have no idea what the costs come out to and it's rarely talked about publicly for some reason. Glad you found it helpful.

[@johnnyz8423]

@@citationpro I’m coming to the US in 5 weeks to fly an XL full time and my cold weather real world experience is limited so the video helps a lot. Glad I’ll be starting the job when the weather is warming up!

[@citationpro]

@@johnnyz8423 Have no fear, deicing is not rocket science and most pilots only do it a handful of times per year. Know where to look up procedures in the AFM (Cold Weather Operations in the Normal Procedures section and Ground Deicing in the Advisory Information section at the very back of the AFM) and talk to the ground personnel about their procedures before starting. You'll be fine. Welcome to flying in the US!

[@romanmandeleil]

Great video, I think in the 560xl series, there is no manual ground idle switch.

[@johnnyz8423]

I don’t think there is either but it’s an ops manual requirement to spool up to 60%N2 for 15 sec every 4 minutes to shed ice if in icing conditions on the ground.

[@citationpro]

That is correct, there is no Ground Idle switch in the Excel / XLS.

[@konradoferreiradornelas1044]

Do you have that entire condensed checklist for the Citation II 550 that you show in some videos that you could make available for download? I would like to use it in the simulator at home!

[@citationpro]

Unfortunately my company prohibits releasing internal documents to outsiders. They're fine with having a short clip in a video, but sending an exact full copy might be too much.