The Working Man's Upscaler: The RetroTINK 2X Pro | CGQ

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

Hard agree on the s-video point. I got s-video cables for my N64 (the best it can do, stock) and it looked so much better. (I still ended up modding it with eTim/Borti's board for the deblur). Also, hard agree on cost of an RGB setup. I started at a higher cost, because I got a Framemeister before the OSSC was a thing, but even knocking $200 off the cost of that, the price of a full RGB set up is massive. Between mods, cables, and a gscartsw, it's well over $500, not including whichever device you choose as your upscaler. For me, it was worth it, but for a lot of folks, the RetroTINK is more than adequate.

[@SophiaNyx]

Looks cool, buddy! :)

[@SameNameDifferentGame]

@@SophiaNyx You're welcome!

[@syncmonism]

It's a shame that there isn't a cheaper alternative to the Retrotink 2X Pro which does more or less the same thing (aside from the Retrotink 2X Classic, which is out of production now). The 2X Pro is still rather expensive for most people. The 2X Mini could make sense for a lot of people, but it's also out of production, and it was still very expensive, especially for a device which is basically a 2X Classic with no component input. A lot of older consoles support RGB/ component output by default, and component cables aren't necessarily THAT expensive.

[@MetalJesusRocks]

Good job on this review. I like seeing your take on this as well...

[@CGQuarterly]

Thanks, man!

[@N64player1996]

Can you fit this to the entire screen and still have it look good? I just am curious to pull the trigger but I don't really like the black bars for the ratio...

[@GettingMyShare]

The sound quality on the outro was so good I had to put my headphones on. Nicely done Chris.

[@silentfanatic]

Really interesting point about hooking a VCR up to this sort of device. Never would've considered that. I can finally watch Bleeders again!

[@lanfan9488]

I've been using the RetroTink primarily for PS2, N64, Saturn, and DVDs, and have been loving it! That smoothing filter combined with an mCable makes DVD only anime releases look amazing, and really does an amazing job of cleaning up the PS2's infamously 480i library.

[@Gaming.Vids1]

Why do you need an mCable in addition to the RetroTink? Do you want smoothing done twice?

[@lanfan9488]

@@Gaming.Vids1 yeah pretty much! I love sharp pixels for 2D content, but PS2 games in particular look pretty incredible filtered up to 1080p. Very painterly, but I think it looks great!

[@syncmonism]

If you have retro consoles from Nintendo, Sony, AND Sega, you're getting great value from the versatility of the Retrotink 2X Classic or 2X Pro. If you only have one of those brands, a RAD2X is probably the best option.

[@stephen1896]

Excellent video. You're clear, detailed, and well produced. I appreciate your videos. Thanks for your efforts!

[@Pytor007]

Saved to "Watch Later" to enjoy with a beer tonight.

[@superdupersubby]

Same

[@jamisonmccurley3462]

So, you're just letting us know that you didn't watch the video. Got it

[@derekfelska5683]

Sweet device! Top Gun is certainly a remote drop movie for me. I appreciated the use of NHL '99 as some of the screen footage tonight!

[@wdy8425]

Nice to see someone do a review on this with diff setups that arnt just video game related. great video

[@BeerBaron23]

Your background lighting in this ep is excellent.

[@CGQuarterly]

Thanks!

[@mileskirsch7675]

very informative review, i like how you touched on video and laserdisc output. Keep up the great work!

[@sgtpeppers3021]

Finally I found a good video covering the 2X Pro. Thank you so much. Great stuff here.

[@subtlewookiee]

Great review as always. No intention of buying one of these things, but always interesting to learn how various pieces of tech work. I liked how you went outside the normal scope here and added a VCR to the chain and also VHS/Laserdisc movies.

[@RayCommend]

I also find S-video to be the biggest quality leap and very affordable compared to an RGB setup. I enjoyed your take on it and it seems that we agree on all the major points and weaknesses.

[@nattila7713]

cheap rgb still much better than the best svideo... I dont get this whole price reasoning when an rgb cable is 5 usd fro ebay to any console...

[@CGQuarterly]

A cheap unshielded RGB cable almost always has buzzy audio. You get what you pay for.

[@RayCommend]

@@CGQuarterly Buzzy audio and there are plenty of consoles & computers that top out at composite or S-video.

[@nattila7713]

@@CGQuarterly yes that is an issue sometimes. definitely not always or I was lucky with most of my cables. or with my crt. or both. and my ps1 2 3, megadrive 1 2 32x, saturn, dreamcast, super famicom, snes, wii, xbox, x360 all have rgb out, most with cheap cables.

[@TopSpot123]

I agree while heartedly on your assessment of S-video. Component is a step up, but that step is much smaller than the step from composite to S-video.

[@pokepress]

TopSpot123 component and RGB generally have better chroma resolution, but it’s not necessarily that noticeable on low-res content.

[@airtec87]

@@pokepress So where do I get component snes cables.

[@pokepress]

@@airtec87 HD Retrovision makes a set. It's sold at places like Castlemania Games.

[@chrisrobinson82]

I have no need for the retrotink and I enjoyed this for the information. Great presentation style also.

[@domls1317]

Really good job on this review. Most people just show comparisons but dont give a lot of input. I like how you were talking about all the games you were showing

[@dinofirechief40]

Quality video. Your detail is just about right and that s-video had me feeling nostalgic for a change.

[@eraserewind3603]

Was waiting so long for a device like this for my PS1 & PS2 games. Scanlines was the main thing that made me buy it and ease of use. Without them, the PS1/PS2 games just don't look right to me.

[@MarthSR]

I think it should rather be called a line-doubler, as scaling has this sort of bad stigma associated with a scaler's processing. This implies perceptible input lag, whereas line-doubling is widely known as a zero-lag inducing solution. Scaling typically uses buffering, which most of the time is the main source of input lag from this sort of device. The RT2X(P) has no framebuffer, which is definitely a plus.

[@Izquierda]

A framebuffer is not necessarily bad, it can be a plus for instance to avoid video drop outs when the source changes resolution. Ideally we want something with a framebuffer that can be turned on and off to suit the needs of each case. The OSSC Pro is planned to have this.

[@TechWithSean]

* no ADDITIONAL lag. HDTVs inherently have more lag than a CRT and you can never make one feel as snappy. It’s the display tech itself not the latency of the signal

[@GameplayandTalk]

Great video! I learned multiple things, including that I need to play SSX. That game looks fun as hell. Thanks!

[@neccros007]

I'm jealous of your candy cab in the background! :D

[@fozzythemexican]

It is cool seeing what you can hook up together, lol. Great review.

[@craggercragger8989]

Really enjoyed this one, dude.

[@jaredt2590]

Nobody talks about using this for vhs. That is a big reason to get this.

[@nik12100]

Mainly getting this (multiformat version) because my HDTV does not have component in. Looks like I will be quite pleased. Great overview man!

[@fireresq7]

Man, I was just researching upscalers for the Snes I just bought! Glad to see another great video Chris!!! I do miss your live feed nights!!!! Hope you're doing well bud!!!

[@jimbailey3998]

Thank you for taking the time to do this video. Old-School gamer from the 80's and my Atari 800 which is still running strong. Have played the game of buying cheaper upscalers on Amazon and not happy with the results or being forced into 16:9 mode with no choice for 4:3. Looking forward for getting one of these for my Atari 800 and maybe one for my Wii Home Brew.

[@malikon6953]

the deeper I go down these rabbit holes the more I think it would be easier to just get an old CRT tv.

[@craigluft7453]

I have an old 720p flatscreen tv that I replaced the power board for twice because it has an s-video input for my Dreamcast. the 2x pro costs as much as the replacement board for the tv so I think I know what I'm doing next time this tv dies. also seeing Red Wings vs Flyers brings me back to 1995

[@0nly1truth]

Nice upload, great nostalgia thanx.

[@justonemori]

I just ordered mine. I completely forgot about using a VCR as a composite converter. I'm so going to do that with my new Coleco. Gotta play Flappy Bird on an OLED!

[@alanlinnell6817]

I'm a big scanlines fan, I'll be picking up the pro. I would like to use it with my Saturn collection.

[@suluturnip]

The Top Gun video game end credits theme... nice.

[@WhatsOnMyShelf]

Have you tried using a 32X with the Pro? The regular tink did not support that properly (I got confirmation from the creator himself). The regular tink goes back and forth between normal and offset colors. It usually happens when the screen changes such as entering a level. I must specify that I mean connecting a 32X via composite, not those RetroRGB cables.

[@sor3999]

8:29 that's all I wanted to hear. I play on original hardware to experience as I did as I kid. Just nowadays it's hard to justify space for an old aging CRT TV. If I wanted pixel perfect there is always emulated solutions official or otherwise.

[@TechWithSean]

10:27, idk, I think a real CRT looks way better for classic gaming than a modern HDTV no matter how many dongles and add-ons you plug into it. Plays with less lag too

[@zachary_attackery]

Did the picture quality on the Laserdisc improve from just plugging it straight into the TV with the composite cable, or is this just a means to connect the Laserdisc player to an HDTV with no composite inputs?

[@koobert]

I'm curious, is there a ton of input lag from the StarTech? Is it possible to play via your computer monitor or would I need to split it and record while also playing on a separate TV? I had a Hauppaugge capture box and the delay was awful.

[@CGQuarterly]

There is definitely some lag. I can play in the capture window well-enough, but I wouldn't do it unless it was because I was recording footage.

[@koobert]

@@CGQuarterly Awesome! That definitely helps, I'll pick one up next month.

[@msd5808]

Why don't TVs just be made to accept 240p signals properly?

[@Aragorn7884]

What was the chip tune song at the end credits?

[@CGQuarterly]

Top Gun theme song from the NES game.

[@DCourtwreck]

No direct captures from the RetroTink? The tv screen recording doesn't give a great sense of image quality, it looks I would get similar quality skipping the upscaler and just going straight composite or s-vid to the tv. I know you want to show how it looks on the screen, but then at least show us some side by side with the consoles hooked up without the scaler.

[@CGQuarterly]

There are direct captures in the video.

[@amirjubran1845]

Interesting product. Can't bring myself to drop that kinda cheddar for it though. After shipping this works out to 200 CAD for us north of the border. Going to keep waiting for complete mister kits to become common (and reasonably priced) and go for that instead.

[@narunetto]

I think that if you had a more upscale VCR with a Time Base Corrector in it, even with bad tapes you won't get the same drop outs as you do with the lower-end ones. A lot of the JVC S-VHS ones near the end of VHS' life span had this feature in them and it improves quality a lot.

[@CGQuarterly]

Sure, but most people don't own upscale VCRs.

[@narunetto]

@@CGQuarterly oh for sure, just kinda letting that info out there for anyone looking into it more!

[@CGQuarterly]

Oh yeah, cool. Yeah if someone is really in to watching VHS, then it would be worth springing for something like that.

[@narunetto]

@@CGQuarterly I archive VHS recordings of TV shows with commercials and stuff and I'm considering getting one just for that reason, since I already have an OSSC and cables, it has really good quality for the price.

[@jboy8735]

I wanna get the retotink 2x pro my question is should I get the retro vision cables with it or the s video cables you get from retrotink ?

[@camilo05191]

Get the hd retrovision cables that work with your console and connect those to the Retrotink . Even Retrotink recommends that

[@perrymason9942]

Is there any reason that Mike Chi couldn't release a RetroTink 3x or 4x? I.e., something that just line triples or quadruples? Many HDTV's don't upscale 480p all that nicely, which leaves only the OSSC. But Mike's products are easier to use and you don't mess with timings and other obscure parameters that seem mostly obtuse to me. What technical hurdles would there be?

[@ians_parks]

It seems to be a limitation of the chipset used.

[@EXITMUSIC2011]

I bought this and the scart version too. Shipped from US 🇺🇸

[@mattjcwig]

Anyone know how this would be for a PAL Gamecube with the component cables? Because the device makes the NTSC Gamecube's 480i into 480p whereas the PAL Gamecube is 567i so would it downscale? Or just make it 576p?

[@johneygd]

Am curious about the combi filter because it supposedly should get rid off phase shifted colors and checkerbords in those colors from composite video, i do not expect magic from a $89 or a $129 device.but i do expect magic from faroudja wich are specially designed with enhacing composite video to RGB in mind, but then am talking about ab $3500 device,haha.

[@thunter992]

Thank you so much for this

[@samfrito]

Its good to have this device and now not have the stigma of how "bad" something will look if i connect it to a modern flat screen. Makes me wish this became a built-in norm for HD TV, but for the cost of Mike Chis device we get a lot of bang. First thing I want to test out when I get mine is my PSP Go. I've done component cable on an older Sharp Aquos set and it looked fine, but the smoothing looks a little too fuzzy on PS1 games. We are so lucky to have afforadble options.

[@ians_parks]

Make sure you set your psp to "interlaced" in the output settings otherwise you wont get an image.

[@Rotoid]

Is there a delay when the resolution changes in some ps1 games if use this device? I mean the in-game change between 240p/480i in games like Chrono cross, castlevania etc.

[@CGQuarterly]

Yeah there will be a short signal drop, but nothing like a Framemeister, which is a several seconds signal drop. If you're looking to mostly play a console that has a lot of 480i content, I would wait just a little bit, because I think RetroTink is coming out with another product that might better suit your needs.

[@CGQuarterly]

Here you go. It was just released today! www.retrotink.com/post/introducing-the-retrotink-2x-pro-multi-format

[@Progearspec]

Sounds good for a budget scaler.As an alternative i guess it's good if you don't have the money for a framemeister or ossc.

[@evileyeball]

I bought this recently, and mine did not come with the micro usb cable which is OK because I had a boatload of those kicking around. I promptly added it to my setup as follows NES | SNES | N64 | Gamecube | Wii | PS2 > Composite Switchbox > Retrotink > HDMI Switch box > Television I quickly learned that my old unpowered composite switch box needs an upgrade as it is almost 20 years old and is starting to fail on input 1 wherre I had the NES connected and it does not currently like to produce sound on that input with the NES plugged into it (I tested the NES direct to tink and the sound was fine). I will upgrade that as soon as I can When I do I plan to look for one that also supports S video so I could run S-video out for Svideo capible consoles. Since only one of Composite / Component on the tink can be used at once I swapped my Wii Component cables to my secondary wii setup and I also swapped out my unmodified NES-101 (Toploader) for my childhood NES-001 placing the top loader in my "Only works with CRT's setup" which is for use with Zapper, Power Glove and R.O.B. Titles. The nice thing I discovered was switching my TV to 4:3 for retro tink the TV automatically went back to 16:9 when presented with such a signal on one of the other inputs of the HDMI switch box such as my Nintendo Switch and went back to 4:3 when the tink input was selected. I will have to change manually in the settings when playing Wii games as it doesn't seem to interpret this change in the same way. so Once i get a newer updated Composite Switch box I should have a much better setup but I want to wait a little bit on that while I research which is a good one to get.

[@Sweetaccord]

So this won't do anything for a Wii that is already outputting 480i/480p?

[@CGQuarterly]

It would act as an HDMI adapter, but that's it.

[@pcm2fchris]

Awesome, awesome content.

[@davudfarias]

Hey guys I need help I was about to buy the pro but I did some research found it doesn't work good on ps2 or og xbox and other consoles. I was planning on using this on all consoles from NES-gamecube and ps1, ps2 and some sega consoles. Can you guys inform me about output resolutions and etc, and what my best option would be for this type of product. (Using composite on all consoles, regular hd tv not 4k, also I know composite cable are trash but I read it's useless to use component or rgb since they output so high and retrotink can't handle it)

[@ians_parks]

The retrotink2x doesnt accept 480p video. The majority of the ps2 library is 480i only so not a huge loss. You can still use a ps2 with component cables on a retrotink2x, itll just be either 480i passthrough or 480i bob deinterlaced depending what you have it set to. I wouldn't recommend the retrotink2x for the wii or gamecube. With the wii your options are limited but you could always get a component to hdmi converter that retains a 480p image and doesnt do any scaling which would introduce lag and possible mess with the color and brightness. Normally i wouldnt recommend hyperkin cables as they are often complete garbage but the wii one specifically doesnt require external power and it doesnt scale the image to 720p unlike every other cable of theirs. Its just straight 480p with no weird visual hiccups. For the gamecube id recommend getting a GCvideo device. You'd need to make sure you have a compatible gamecube with the digital out port. As far as which device id recommend the Carby. Its far cheaper then the overpriced Eon GCHD and functionally they are identical since they use the same GCvideo software. The only difference is you dont have dual output on the Carby. As far as component cables hd retrovsion cables pair very well with the retrotink2x, id recommend using those with systems such as the snes, genesis, saturn, ps1 etc.

[@NostalgiaRetrogamer]

Hi! Where do you recommend purchasing a OSSC in 2020? Thnks!

[@CGQuarterly]

I purchased mine directly from VideoGamePerfection.com

[@ians_parks]

You could hold out, they just announced an ossc pro

[@vberg06]

What's the difference between using this upscaler and simply changing the aspect ratio on an HDTV itself? Also, is this a game changer? Doesn't an emulator always display best visuals? (not concerned with dusting off old consoles)

[@ians_parks]

Its less about visuals and more so about compatability with hdtvs and having a lagless solution for your retro consoles. It specifically linedoubles to 480p so 240p consoles are more widely recognized by hdtvs. Your tv's own internal scaler wasnt design with retro consoles in mind so its liable to misinterpret the signal as interlaced while also introducing input lag. Assuming you are pairing good cables with the device the image will look great. Just dont go in expecting 1080p.

[@slavo_mir]

I wonder if it's worth to switch to RetroTink if I'm already using the HDRetroVision component cable (PS2) and Pound HD Link cable (PSone). What does it do to a PSP composite signal? Anyone tried that? Is there a noticeable difference? Edit: your room / basement looks just NICE :)

[@CGQuarterly]

The Tink will take the component signal from your HDRetroVision cable and upscale 480i to 480p, but many HDTV's (including mine) already display 480i signals properly, so it would be useful for the smoothing filter and for times when you're playing 240p games, but otherwise not really needed. I am not familiar with the Pound cable, so I can't comment on that, and I've never tried hooking a PSP up to a TV with a video cable. Should work just fine with the Tink, though.

[@iulianispas8634]

The picture on my retro cosoles look amazing on Rf the new oled samsung tv have a upscaler build in . Did pay over 3k £ for the tv

[@dionr1168]

Does the Pro default to 4:3 without having to change the settings on my TV?

[@CGQuarterly]

It puts out a 480p signal, so your TV will display it at the correct aspect ratio.

[@DomProvenzano]

Wild that you posted this today! I was JUST looking at options to plug in my GameCube into my new TV. Do you recommend using this with a GameCube?

[@CGQuarterly]

I don't have a GameCube, so I couldn't test it. But I would imagine that a GC over s-video would be comparable to the PS2, which looked quite decent. But if you have a GC with the digital out port, you should also consider the "Carby" by insurrection industries. That would give you a better picture from the GameCube on an HDTV, and only costs $75. But again, you must have a compatible Game Cube console. insurrectionindustries.com/product/carby-v2/

[@DomProvenzano]

@@CGQuarterly Awesome, will do. Thank you for the quick reply!

[@ians_parks]

Get a carby adapter for gamecube, this device is better suited for 240i/240p/480i content. Alot of gamecube games support progressive scan. Just make sure you have an early model gamecube

[@epicstacker413]

If your gamecube only has the single av out port on the back, the retrotink with s-video cables should suffice. :)

[@lemonfraid]

I have the original 2X, not the pro, but I have found it extremely useful as a way to reuse all my old AV switch boxes. I have my NES, SNES, N64, and Genesis hooked up to my retrotink through an old AV switcher I found in a box. I don't stream or record anything, but it's a great solution for a lifelong retrogamer that doesn't have a TV that accepts 240p. But really, I like having everything HDMI, and I can use my old AV switch boxes. Is the video quality great? It's good enough. Does it save a whole bunch of money? Yes it does. EDIT: I wrote this comment before about 18:00 when it's explained that this is great for the living room. I could get much better video quality, but do I REALLY need it? Not for the price of RGB cables.

[@ians_parks]

Svideo cables are relatively cheap, the snes and n64 support them and they are a step up from composite. The few av composite switches ive come across usually have an svideo port on them as well. Just dont buy svideo cables with the yellow composite end or one of those mutli system cables. They add a weird checker board effect to the image. Usually they arent properly shielded.

[@lemonfraid]

@@ians_parks I already use S-Video cables when I have them.

[@lloyddobler1650]

Was about to buy the Retro Tink half way through your video until you mention the ossc . I forgot I already have an ossc . Thanks!

[@bbreimm]

I'm a simple man with a simple question, will this thing allow me to play my copy of Bangai-O for Dreamcast on an HDMI display?

[@CGQuarterly]

It sure would.

[@bbreimm]

@@CGQuarterly Thanks for the reply and classy content you legend

[@Qbank007]

Wat is this autodetect ? You don't set a retrothink2x for pal ntsc ? Or do you so wat does pro do auto ?

[@CGQuarterly]

The Pro will automatically detect if the input signal is NTSC or PAL. The regular RetroTink 2X has to be manually set for NTSC or PAL. It's really not a big deal for most people, because you're just going to set it once and not have to worry about it again.

[@Qbank007]

Ok but you have 2 buttons, you can chose input svideo, composiet or component and second button is for filter. Never knew choice between regions and how ?

[@CGQuarterly]

On the original 2X, the input button also cycles between PAL and NTSC.

[@Qbank007]

@@CGQuarterly I did not know that 🙈😲

[@Kranekick1985]

Wow, good review!

[@ViolentDetour]

What if your TV doesn't have a game mode?

[@CGQuarterly]

If your TV doesn't have some kind of low input lag mode, then you're potentially going to have problems regardless of what you hook up. It really just depends on your TV. If you don't have input lag issues playing games other ways (including modern games) then you won't have problems with this device, either.

[@vivisect53]

Then you need at least make sure all the video processing options are turned in the settings like motion smoothing and such.

[@arcadeages3917]

Ooon this episode...

[@door2977]

Honestly that NES signal looks great compared to anything you'll get from a shit upscaler, so I'll take it.

[@ClassicGamingLives]

Yes these work very well

[@dangertube9198]

How does this fare with a PS2?

[@ians_parks]

Works good with component cables. Just know it doesnt support 480p. Not a huge issue considering the majority of ps2 games are 480i only. You can either do 480i passthrough or 480i bob deinterlaced to 480p. This will reduce lag but there will be a noticable flicker. If it bothers you just default back to 480i passthrough.

[@briannorthFW]

Great review....

[@Mujangga]

Were you awarded the Order of the Golden Fleece?

[@CGQuarterly]

Sorry, I'm not sure what you're referring to. I did receive your postcard, though. Thanks! How did that come about?

[@Mujangga]

@@CGQuarterly The logo on your shirt is the medallion part of the Order of the Golden Fleece which was an aristocratic decoration given to European monarchs. It refers to the ancient Greek myth of Jason and the Argonauts. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Golden_Fleece I order the postcard on the UK Antarctic Trust website. They have the only post office in Antarctica. They send their mail to the Falkland Islands and then to Britain after which it is distributed to its final destination. I was hoping it would arrive by Christmas but oh well ;)

[@CGQuarterly]

Oh, got it. That would be nice.

[@skyward6878]

How does the NES, Super NES look went put through hdmi?

[@ians_parks]

If you are using hd retrovision cables with the retrotink2x/pro itll look really good. Svideo is also good. Assuming you are using an unmoddified nes with composite cables the image wont look nearly as good but its still better than it would be without it.

[@fireresq7]

Quick Question Chris: If my TV has an S video port on the back would I still need the Retrotink?

[@CGQuarterly]

Not if your TV is displaying it properly. Some TVs are compatible with 240p signals. If it looks good, then you’re good to go.

[@fireresq7]

@@CGQuarterly alrighty! Thanks!

[@ians_parks]

Depends, your tv's scaler could introduce lag or interpret the image as interlaced. The retrotink2x should bypass this and correctly display the image as 480p, considering 480p is more widely recognized by hdtvs.

[@fireresq7]

@@ians_parks Thank Ian...I'll keep that in mind!

[@zuffin1864]

Love this and all, but all this hassle is just too much for me. I think it all still looks ok on a CRT. If the game isn't interlaced, and is in 60 FPS, it is usually ok.

[@mattraymond2935]

got the pro thanks

[@butterburns]

“Pixel Peek” 😝

[@RODSTAR13]

Cool 😎

[@m.mproductions2461]

A yes *_but where is my playstation in 1995?_*

[@CGQuarterly]

Funny you should ask because I've been working on that all day today.

[@willmistretta]

Looks like a decent option if my Framemeister ever dies on me. God forbid.

[@seraph4581]

There'll probably be even better solutions by the time that happens, if it ever does lol

[@DuckAlertBeats]

You are exaggerating when you say you had to pick your jaw up from the floor :)

[@CGQuarterly]

That's true. That was a hyperbolic statement.

[@twoquickcapri]

I find the PS1 startup screen pretentious, but I'm still upset over Sony coming into the market and killing off the other companies like Atari, Sega, SNK, 3do,......NEC,.......... Philips,..................VM Labs.

[@scoutisabelle]

I don't think you think the word "pretentious" means what you think it means.

[@twoquickcapri]

@@scoutisabelle Dictionary - Attempting to impress by affecting greater importance. Yes, This how I see it.

[@NickJayj]

You Americans and your 800 different connection types lol. Here in europe it was just SCART and that was it...

[@SusuperHands]

Summary: "Is OSSC sharper, yes."

[@TheAlphaOmegaX3]

Or mention resolution. Retrotink 480p at best. OSSC 1080p at best. Combine both and have every connection covered.

[@seraph4581]

@@TheAlphaOmegaX3 Retrotink only takes up to 480i. 480p doesn't work It's meant to be a simple solution for people who want to plug their systems as is to HDMI TVs and don't want to bother with RGB. S-video is good enough imo.

[@TheAlphaOmegaX3]

@@seraph4581 Yep. I was saying it can output 480p at best. That's all. I'm thinking of getting me one to hook to my OSSC. I'd like to use NES with composite and N64 with S-Video. Then use OSSC to output (yes line triple) 720p on both.

[@jublington]

Honestly for the minor price difference you may as well just buy an OSSC which can output up to like 5x with no lag, and even has scart and vga inputs.

[@traviscombs6947]

Yeah but his point at the end of the video is, even though the OSSC device itself is in a similar price bracket, the total cost of a setup to get new cables for all of your systems makes that route substantially more expensive. OSSC doesn't do composite or S-Video.

[@RediscoveringRetro]

I suppose it depends on where you live. Here in the UK, scart is basically the norm, we don't use s-video or component that much. Compare that to the US, where, I believe, scart is not that common? I know there's the cost of RGB modding a machine if it doesn't output it as standard, but yeah, I wouldn't go with device because no scart.

[@nattila7713]

@@traviscombs6947 3 usd for svideo cable, 5 usd for rgb cable? or?

[@vivisect53]

Stop pushing the cheap $5 cables, they are a lot of times shitty. And what about systems that top out at composite or s video, or systems that are RF only and use a VCR to do composite. With some those are the best signals you will get, except maybe in a few cases when you need expensive mods. This is a far better option for me since I have about 15 systems an OSSC would be completely useless for. So even if I had an OSSC this is still be a very useful device.

[@do_not_want_to]

Just so everyone knows, for anybody that has purchased any RetroTink products at the beginning of October, RetroTink had recently made significant changes to their store policies. See their site on the wayback machine for October 1st at web.archive.org/web/20200927124412/www.retrotink.com/store-policies for details. The changes include a refusal to take returns on RetroTink Minis, and that returns are now the customers responsibility. Please note the change if you are considering buying their product, and if you bought it on our before October 1st, you can rely on the aforementioned link for proof of what the policies were before the changes.

[@nattila7713]

ossc all the way. even with cheap rgb it looks a lot better. composit and svideo has that colored noise... bad :(

[@wojiaobill]

Too bad we can't still buy CRTs. Although, I guess it's better for the environment that we can't

[@zebunker]

Wrong and wrong.

[@vivisect53]

In my experience modern HD TV's don't last all that long compared to CRTs, so I think that's a wash.

[@darthwisner47]

I had the Retrotink 2X to use with my Sega Saturn through S-video. I wasn't impressed. I sent it back for a refund and bought the RAD2X cable. It's uses the Saturn's RGB output and looks amazing on an HDTV. 😀

[@ians_parks]

The retrotink2x also supports rgb assuming you are using hd retrovision component cables. The rad2x bypasses the need for extra cabling tho.

[@darthwisner47]

@@ians_parks Yeah but those cables are expensive too along with the Retrotink. I'd rather keep it simple with the RAD2X😀

[@ians_parks]

@@darthwisner47 thats perfectly fine. I much prefer the rad2x for its simplicity. I was just making a point that you could get the same exact picture out of a retrotink2x assuming you are using the right cables.

[@drthmonkey42]

I feel like I should buy a 2x non-pro just in protest of scan lines. It's a limitation of the technology, not a feature.

[@furiousfox7712]

Keith Everson Well tbh it might be a limitation but a very beneficial one at that, scan lines help reduce image noises that composite consoles only such as the NES display. I have a crt and play castlevania with in composite, bought a Retrotink2x pro and was very horrified by the look of composite without scan line filters , so I put on scanlines and it is so much better! As for the genesis and snes I don’t use scanline since I got component and same thing for the N64 with s video.

[@boomerps2]

One word, "RetroArch"

[@AlexElectric9001]

The lack of views should be a good indication of how much people are interested in this type of content. Not sure if CGQ cares or not :P

[@CGQuarterly]

I don't care, sorry.

[@duffman18]

This is a great video. I'd love to see more of this more varied type of content

[@jlogg8738]

Yeah I'm sorry I watch this channel for stuff on classic games and classic consoles I don't come to this channel to look how to upscale something to 4K or whatever it is is videos about

[@ians_parks]

Then dont watch the video. Whether you like it or not this still relates to classic consoles.

[@jlogg8738]

@@ians_parks oh trust me I didn't watch the video I fucking unsubscribed also thank you for your recommendation nobody