Pay the Fine or Fight this Injustice?

Chael Sonnen talks about a recent traffic stop in West Linn, OR on this episode of Beyond the Fight
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[@aflippingg4340]

How nice of chael to let the officer go

[@Jbad99]

I remember the rage

[@dmcgarry07]

he didn’t get close

[@TheeJosephSantos]

Hahahaha.

[@scottbentley2825]

You win my friend! I fell out my chair laughing!

[@JakeTruthSnake]

This is just as confusing as tapping in a MMA fight. You're only supposed to lose the round... lol

[@theWayoftheHero]

I love when Chael aggressively corners us into becoming his support group

[@truthhasnoagenda3785]

Yea fight it. You said you don't back down from a fight. Why start with this one. There's no curb. He lied. Period

[@marklarz4399]

You can't let injustice get close

[@Nicholas-HTX]

Lmao

[@TheeJosephSantos]

Hahahaha!

[@mattjackson2795]

Hahaha

[@jasoncorey]

I just Google mapped West Linn Oregon McDonald's so I could open up street view and follow along with Chael's story 💪

[@born2win50]

Just done the same after seeing this 😂

[@booqrdoit9138]

Did the same thing. That is a BS place to put an "Only Turn Right" sign. As Chael said, you can tell that intersection is made to be a four way but I bet some jag from the city wanted to put that sign there for whatever reason

[@SMac86]

​@@booqrdoit9138Dont enough people die going to McDonald's every day? Maybe they are just trying to extend lives here.

[@MrPhilipRoberts]

I couldn’t find it. I’m on the corner of 8th and 10th but no right only

[@meiken417]

Hilarious. Chaels story time the best

[@joshuataylor7582]

Pay it or fight it… either way you make it go away and WIN. Undefeated, undisputed.

[@ZWhiskey]

That sign will end up on the studio wall 😂

[@FazzzyV]

“Lethal Sign”

[@littlezero6399]

Everyone has a bad day, the cop forgot Chael pays taxes and owns the road. Forgive the officer and go after the root of the problem. The street sign people.

[@highjenks3d]

You always fight the injustice

[@brandonhartley7462]

Paused the video 2 minutes in to say I'm so glad the road rage video has a sequel!!! It may be one of the best videos Chael's ever done! Ok...let's continue...

[@jessevelasquez3847]

Chael did you just take a fake sip of that drink? 😂😂😂

[@jasoncorey]

Ace Of Base saw the sign as well. Sorry I had to correct you Chael please don't hate me.

[@Rubster760]

Cop might use Bad Guy Inc sign against you Chael. Replace it with Good Guy Inc if you decide to fight it 😁👍

[@derekstevens3119]

These are by far the best type of chael videos

[@herogibson]

I get the feeling his day to day life is a lot like a seinfeld or curb your enthusiasm episode.

[@yamizanduel]

Chael for Police Chief 2024

[@shadow_realm47]

Chael keeps breaking the law in the lawless West Linn.

[@21hatwell]

Chael P Sonnen never walks away from a fight!!!

[@codycox2465]

Poor cop gonna have a heart attack watching this 😂 God bless Chael enjoy the weekend with fam!

[@Insert.Name.Here.]

Call Scotty Schefflers lawyer asap!!

[@jesusthroughmary]

If the curb wasn't hit, you must acquit

[@bolverkvolsung6142]

I lived on grapevine road in West linn. The police there are hyper policing. Especially near the jiffy lube and chevron, close to the on ramp to 205. I know exactly where this is. There's no reasonable way to navigate with only a right turn. It's a huge waste of time.

[@meiken417]

Story time with uncle Chael is the best

[@bespinboi7523]

But where does Kevin Lee fit into the picture?

[@Kut_throat]

Have you ever had an original thought in your godforsaken life?

[@blackslav1497]

@@Kut_throat This is what the comment section is about.

[@wesorcutt3402]

Kevin Lee was the cop

[@MurphyUFC]

This is the content we are looking for

[@rcaseyc]

Stupid that they changed a 4 way stop into a right turn only. Chael, you're absolutely right! If I was the owner of the McDonald's or the gas station, I would be pissed! Directing traffic away from my business. The "right turn only" makes no sense. If they're going to change from a 4 way stop for "safety and traffic" purposes, then they should've put in one of those "roundabouts" that are popping up everywhere. Then traffic isn't forced away from the businesses. As far as your ticket, you have a valid argument. But I don't think it will work "because he's seeing the back of the sign." His argument and the court's argument will be that that's the officer's "beat" and he drives it all day long. He knows the speed limits, signs, etc. of his assigned area. Good luck though!! Judge should dismiss it just for the simple fact that you're Chael P!!!

[@WNY1996]

For clarification: if the ticket was specifically for jumping a curb, then you can definitely fight it and win. However, if your argument is the officer “didn’t see the sign” so he can’t issue you for it, you’re going to lose

[@BadGuyInc]

Why? I’m not disagreeing with you by the way I’m asking why. If the claim is that, I ignored a visible lawful posted sign it would seem that the officer would have to be able to testify that there was a visible lawful posted sign. From his vantage point, that simply would not be possible. Ticket is based on assumption An assumption by definition creates reasonable doubt.

[@ardnfast]

Yes, I agree. I'd like to know what the actual citation was for 🤔

[@ardnfast]

@BadGuyInc I'm taking it that the officer didn't get a photograph of the area including the sign, so the evidence would be in doubt, even though you saw it (the sign) prior to deciding what you're gonna do. A decent prosecutor would ask, what did you see? Was there any graffiti? Was it legible? Did you understand what the sign indicated... Good luck 👍

[@briangardner8140]

If you would like to waste hours of your life in court and lose then yeah fight it. Sounds like you got a failure to obey x sign or whatever they call it there. Curb or him mentioning a curb wouldnt matter on that. Maybe if you got reckless driving it might play into it. Id let it go and take your lump on that one.

[@WNY1996]

@@BadGuyInc no problem, I’m assuming the officer patrols the area and knows the area he works in. If that’s the case, the officer already knew the sign was there. So you get where I’m going with this? So even though he technically “didn’t see the sign” at that moment. He already knew it was there from past experience

[@tilsker7561]

God Bless the councillors of West Linn that decided to install this road sign.

[@bourbonick]

sounds like a ticker trap. they just added the sign to give out tickets

[@andrewsindustries7722]

But where does Tony Ferguson fit into all of this?

[@RS-xq6je]

He's going to kick that sign post down

[@muchneededdoseofreality]

I'm pretty sure this won"t help at all but let's give it a shot. A curb by definition is a stone or concrete edging to a street or path. So the curb is where the concrete that was used to pave the street ends and a different topping like dirt or rocks begin. Just because that particular portion isn't beveled or raised doesn"t mean there isn't a curb there or that you can"t jump it. Now Chael I know what you're thinking. "How can my car Jump? When i was a child I used to jump rope & My car didn't leave the ground or jump anything." No shit captain literal, next time use the process of elimination when reading a definition. So if there is no "Raised" portion of the curb then you would eliminate that part and move to the edge of the street part. Jump implies you overstepped your boundary Jump= to move suddenly or involuntarily : start. I now know why you miscalculate everything inappropriately. Oops I don't want to confuse you... since you're probably thinking hmmmm.. Mrs Calculate? Well there's no female calculator, problems or numbers here. Ok so how do I say this "I now know why you missed that spinning backfist in the 2nd Anderson fight!"

[@polymetalalloy]

I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes.

[@bchristopher2270]

Someone needs to film a documentary about this 4-way stop.

[@joshuachurchwell7323]

Damn Chael you will definitely win this in court and you might even have a case to sue the officer and the city for loss of your valuable time. I mean 10min on KZbin makes you money, 10min on ESPN, of Fox Sports, 10min in the Octagon, etc. Figure up the most valuable 10min of your life and say That's how much they owe you for the traffic stop alone, then say, how much longer you going to keep me here at court? Cause that's gonna determine how much I'll be charging the court system. You can pull it off Chael, Cause your the Man!! Show them they don't mess with the Great Chael P Sonnen!!

[@BigNickAllDay]

Uncle Chaels ability to captivate an audience here is astounding. With that being said "Choose your battles wisely" and never lose the ability to simplify something. its truly precious.

[@billyarsenault1970]

Bro cannot even let a traffic incident go 😂😂

[@Jeffdugy]

6:24 the quickest sips in west Lynn.

[@jiito808]

Slow week huh?

[@kevinolley]

These are the best chael videos. I highly recommend the "get in the hole" story if you have not seen

[@m.ianraymer9880]

The bad guy doesn’t pay traffic fines. You’re the gangster of West Lynn, Chael P Sonnen! let’s go!

[@freedomissue7824]

Chael the type of guy to beat up 5 stop signs at one time

[@TheRealRobertFlowers]

“I know he’s watching this” 10-8 round for Chael

[@GALVASTIEN]

The cops gonna say he seen the sign 5 mins before. The only argument you have is if the cop imagined that there was a curb there then maybe he imagined your violation. Sounds like he was staking out the old 4 way stop intersection with the new sign. He knew he'd be writing tickets all day, thats why he was there. Sounds like he could have gave you a break and a warning but I'm sure he was there just to write tickets. Your screwed because if you bring up the imaginary curb your just gonna piss the cop off and then he'll be looking for your car for the next 6 months. You might think he's cool but he's kinda not. He could have been kinder. Pay it, let him have the win and just go on your merry way.

[@MS-mr4zm]

I made my wife watch this & she just said “this is exactly why I hate you sometimes”😂😂😂😂

[@RS-xq6je]

I've done the same but she doesn't mind his voice in the background compared to some of the other channels (she hates accents 😂) she did say Chael looks like Jeffrey Dahmer tho 😂

[@citizencrumb2075]

Only an undefeated man would make him testify that he couldn’t see the sign. Brilliance.

[@thewalkingjuju]

The sign says "Must Turn Right" indicating that no left turn is permitted. It didn't say "Right Turn Only" which could still be confused with no left turn being permitted. The sign also didn't say "Do Not Go Straight Must Turn Right", so how could you know that the sign implied that going straight isn't permitted?! Also, if there isn't a sign saying "ONE WAY EXIT ONLY" on the other side, then you have a much better chance of getting the citation dropped! Take pictures of the sign and the intersection to show the court irrefutable evidence of why you claim there is no curb to jump! #NotGuilty

[@Hogibaer]

Would the technicality of the officer not having been able to see the sign have changed if he went back together with you right after the violation to take a shared look at the sign (i.e. to prove that he was right in his assumption)? Difference to the hearsay-story would be that the "cause" for the violation was still in effect. Reg to "jump the curb" it would be interesting if a traffic officer is allowed to use the expression in the broad slang sense of "making a (non-specific) mistake while driving". Anyhow, all the best!

[@seanrichter3730]

I know that part very well, just like the stop in Gladstone and Oregon City. The West Linn officer will bring up at 4 way the " right of way" law- which either way determines the rules of the road.

[@tadgodsey]

Chael never backs down from a fight. That dude called you by name. Make the walk.

[@Chacason]

When he said there was no curb but there was a something, I lost it

[@PatricksPoetry]

you should run for the city office to get the sign changed. get the sign taken down legally.

[@Ekryth1]

The Officer tapped.

[@OverproofMMA]

Did he drive straight through a roundabout?

[@brodythebrain]

Chael asks cops for their license and registration "I know you were a cop yesterday but I don't know if you got fired since then"

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

Chael should make a video showing this 4way stop. sign and no curb.

[@WesternCivil]

I think Chael is right about this one, the sign should be in field of view for the officer to interpret the sign posted.

[@DanBCooper]

You can't fight City Hall.....but MY Uncle Chael CAN !!!

[@shadow_realm47]

you still kicking IT! I knew you were alive!

[@bradslemp3076]

Is there not a specific sign with a arrow going fwd and a arrow right to indicate directions allowed?

[@justingreen4450]

Chaellator still out here cleaning up the mean streets of West Linn.

[@Ignitionite]

The office saw the sign, and it opened up his life. He is happy now living without you. Oh-oh-oh-oh-ohhowo.

[@robertevans5205]

I never forget these stories chael when the goat speaks you listen

[@lathamroman4599]

Chael, you are undefeated. You have never lost a round. If you fight this in court, there's no doubt what's the outcome will be!😂

[@Jimbojones3030]

Uncle Chael fighting Anderson Silva to have money to hire an attorney for this lol

[@sicotic2897]

Chael. You are the BOSS of West Linn. Nobody can tell you what you can or can not do in there. Do act accordingly. They are worms, you are the man in there!

[@BBKing1977]

Chael saw the sign, and it opened up his eyes, he saw the sign.

[@danieldexter3550]

I think a warning and education about what the sign means would've been more appropriate! Unless you have a record of disregard for traffic laws. Fight the ticket, but ask for clarification on the sign and definition of a "curb". That's a case worth making

[@LowBlow_Nickal]

You got heel hooked by Craig Jones inside 2 minutes

[@LittleBigHorns]

He added the curb just to be the winner..

[@mmamath1817]

These types of videos are my favorite Chael videos!

[@christophersiddall7270]

I hope uncle chael doesn’t order the officers termination.

[@brewster7723]

Don’t fight it, Chael. As a LE officer for over 20 years. He knew the sign was there, or he wouldn’t have stopped you. If it is in fact the money, the judge will charge you the citation, plus court costs. Just pay it and turn right.

[@dannyzuko7182]

The sign says all traffic must make a right. So I jumped out the truck and yelled at the officer, Hey! What gives you the right.

[@TrappyJenkins]

Chael is getting bill clinton levels of philosophy of what words actually mean

[@jondiaz3329]

I can only say if it was me I'd just pay it. Courts are generally not in the habit of taking the side of the citizenry vs any member of the judicial system or law enforcement. You really just need to ask the question "who has better facts?" A judge's job is to interpret the law according to the facts. If you don't have good facts you don't have a shot in court no matter how right you might be objectively. If you're not disputing any facts and the officer was legally right to issue the ticket there's no case imo.

[@fishon111]

Chael, with you being such an intelligent and well spoken individual, I totally believe you misinterpreted the sign. It definitely wasn't just you ignoring the sign and doing what you were accustomed to in that particular area because you are from there and it wasn't the law previously. Myself on the other hand, I may have seen the sign and understood what it said while I flipped a finger at the sign and turned right anyway. But I know you would never do that.

[@wml1736]

Only one way to find out- challenge and see what happens- worst case you still have a ticket. Make sure to take pics with you to prove no curb, and sign not visible from Officer's perspective. Good luck😉

[@michaelinsc9724]

Only Chael would think a right turn only sign means you can turn right or go straight. 😂😂😂😂😂 The curb isnt the issue. The sign is.

[@DaBlaccGhost]

Id pay so much money to see chael body camera footage

[@MrPhilipRoberts]

Went on google street maps. Could not find this junction

[@KUCaldog187]

this video needs to be sent to the commission granting Chael his fighters license

[@hydrostatic3g]

My friend who often mispronounce’s names similar to Chael came over for Fury vs Usyk. He doesn’t know much about MMA at all. At some point in the night, he brought up the fact that he likes that guy “Chal” on KZbin. Knowing what I know about Chael and names, I started laughing due to the outright irony of his statement. He couldn’t understand what I was laughing about and I didn’t even try to explain it. “Chal” lmao

[@gimlis77]

I would fill out the check. However, I've known three people that fought traffic tickets. They each won and had to pay nothing.

[@Wooder_Designs]

Cop might say he saw the back side of the sign? The curb thing ultimately wouldn't matter because theyre allowed to lie to you. The sign is the only thing that would matter.

[@muki6261]

First you got honked at and now you got a ticket 😂

[@mmatrainee]

You drive a raptor, curbs are like tic-tacs

[@fredb3143]

-the officer «I Saw the sign it was last night» -Cheal «well it was a long time ago how can you recall having seen a sign as far as last night»

[@jiujitsuislife4256]

Videos like this make me realize that Uncle Chael is the Larry David of mma iykyk

[@sovietspy86]

Please go to court for this one!!! We all want to know what happens!!!!! Please!!!!!!!!!!

[@jeffvinje3438]

So who is going to take the sign down?

[@AustinYoung-z9u]

Was 16 with 4 people riding up front of my truck speeding got pulled over. The cop let me pass on the speeding but gave me a wreckless and said I hit a curb. I didn’t. And the officer that first stopped me with the supposed video of me hitting the curb left when three more officers came. Either way I took that and the no seatbelt tickets and was happy because they didn’t find the weed in the back seat. Paid the ticket cash and my grandparents to this day 15 years later never found out.

[@herogibson]

That officer tapped

[@levipolacek6938]

imma need you to fight this so i get a part three thanks champ

[@astronut1728]

Ooo a sequel

[@gamebredduramax71]

Wait until the court date, then request a new court date, your allowed to do so, 9 times out of ten the cop don’t show and gets dismissed. When you change the date he has to come when you say which may interfere with his schedule or flat out forgets about it

[@bendaves77]

I saw the sign and it opened my eyes, I saw the sign.. life is demanding without understanding..

[@SaintBrickalous]

Driving through west linn later today, will report back if i see the sign or not.

[@andrewbrown8927]

Here is a tip for you. It's got me out of 2 running stop sign tickets. Signs have to be posted at very specific spots by the county. If a sign is 6 inches off from where it should be or there is any thing off with placement. Then it is not a legal sign. I'm sure uncle chael can beat any court case what are we talking about here anyways.

[@Razear]

Chael doesn't even need to show up to traffic court. All he has to do is e-mail this video to the presiding judge.

[@hoot9356]

First thing we need to talk about is whatever is green in front of you reflects off your glasses and is very annoying, please move or get rid of it. Second, absolutely you should fight it and call him out on it. Take a photo from where his point of view and have him tell you what it says as he sees it. Do the same with the intersection and have him point out what curb he was referring to when he said “you jumped a curb”. But first get rid of that green thing in front of you. Thanks

[@notoriousyoutuber]

It’s a crime that I’m this early to a video. With that being said, Conor knocks out Chandler

[@bendaves77]

There's a organizing that is country wide. You contact them and they put you in contact with a great traffic lawyer in your area. You won't save money by doing this but atleast your money will go to someone who is willing to defend your actions rather than a person who is interested in writing you a fine for everything that they don't see legal

[@decafdoctorthunder2189]

Chael’s greatest opponent: Anderson or the 4-Way outside the studio?

[@DonMIFC]

Last time Chael went to a courtroom, 6 people were KOd in a hotel