Chained Voices (2016) Documentary on Bal Diksha (Jainism)

[@dr.sofiahussain]

This is not impossible to follow a righteous and pious path without renouncing worldly affairs and duties. Humanity lies in full filling our duties and not in withdrawing from it and becoming a monk or nun of any religious affiliation. Every human being has a God-gifted right to live a happy life, well connected with his or her relationships and be duty-bound.

[@fictionkahaani]

So the man who was supporting this, the one with glasses, why didn’t he himself renounce this materialistic world ?

[@thepalebluedot4171]

Those are the run off the mill religion "followers" who don't follow their own religion in toto but are extremely traditional and zealous of their religion. For them their religion is like a group which provides them their daily dose of collective effervescence and social well being but they would tend to run away and escape from anything that they don't like in their religion but would very much subject others to it and would praise, glorify and genuflect towards those who do it. Outright Hypocrites & Opportunists !

[@pnirmal5900]

I felt so sad for the kid at 15:28. He has been stripped of his childhood and that must be criminalised

[@samayasarjain4559]

It is *his hypocrisy* at the peak *!!*

[@sarbajitghosh5244]

I think it's a violation of child rights. Parents who encourage this practice actually take their children to be their property.

[@purtijain8655]

no parents force,it on child i know teenager who have taken diksha, and their parents were not agreed even guru told him that he is too young but he replied love and vairagya have no age

[@paalitace3093]

Respect for your culture but what is life,, is there anyone who have become a god after death,!! If this is true then there are many people who are living simple life style, one thing in sanatan dharma is that Living life with happiness with helping humans and nature as much we can,,, is a successful life! If somebody is there for helpless humans and animals or nature and working for it without leaving their family or becoming sadhu,stay with family is a great thing,, if someone is going to be a sadhu,, ask to the family ! They never miss them? They never feel broken?

[@mananshah7579]

@@paalitace3093 even if the child goes to foreign; there are very few chances for him to come back to his own country. Still for building a courier parents are encouraging.then in future child who becomes great saint will live happy peaceful and crime free life. In future he will be going to preach and encourage good things to society.

[@Noescape424]

​@@mananshah7579 ok so you mean those who are living simple life is criminal and low, sub standard individuals stop giving nonsense justification to unethical practice of your religion. Govt should make child safety policies like western countries.

[@mananshah7579]

@@Noescape424 no child after taking diksha have any problem. They are quite happy with their life then why you have so many problems.

[@damillionmalania]

This is interesting to me as a westerner, because in most western contexts a child is concidered to not only have certain rights but also to have certain responsibilities. One of those responsibilities is to be able to live and function democractically. In order to do that it is generally concidered that a child has to undergo education both in terms of facts and theories, but also a kind of social education in which the child learns to socialize and cooperate with people from different ethnic, class and religious backgrounds. This is what strikes me: if someone from the age of 8 leaves school to fully pursue religion in a context in which everyone or nearly everyone they encounter is of the same background, they will in practice become outcasts living on the fringe of a society they do not understand and to which they do not fully belong. If we say we take democracy and living together in a common society seriously, putting an age limit on the practice of living secluded from the rest of the world makes perfect sense.

[@anant14]

Do you think "Dalai Lama" is an "outcast" or not able to "socialize" with people of different ethnic backgrounds or did not get an "education"...?

[@Kathakathan11]

Well we have Muslims marrying kids at age 8, live segregated life inside homes, Muslim women don’t even read properly. I do have educated Muslim female friends and they have told me how even enter ace door for men and women are separate. In such condition you think the second majority of india considers democracy as important factor? Jains are far better than that. I am not Jain, have very few friends and these girls are allowed to return back to normal life, if they wish.

[@Kathakathan11]

@@anant14 yes. Dalai Lama is perfect example, the CIA favourite Tibetan Buddhist, in that case white people will call it BEAUTIFUL UNIQUE CULTURE

[@dhruvshah2511]

All jain monks are given very good and detailed education not only of Jain religion but also of all major religions of world. They are taught languages (In India almost all monks and nun are taught English by default), they are taught law and justice, then interested monks are taught about politics awareness, civics, legal systems and so many more things we cannot even imagine. Its a image made that as they have renounced worldly things they know nothing. They stay perfectly between the society. Most monks are found mega cities of India like Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Delhi, Indore. So no where they are disconnected. Infact the core of Jainism is to stay happy without possession. Being happy is the the the most important thing. Western media and many people who do not know jainism tries to just make sensational headlines. The ultimate goal of any Jain is Moksh. Moksh means salvation. For your kind information the defination of moksh is as follows. A state where there is extreme and maximum happiness and that happiness is permenant. Meaning the happiness does not reduce at all. And its the maximum happiness one can find anywhere in the universe. Its for this goal all Jain's practise what they practise. Not just this, monks and nuns are the most ecofriendly people in whole world. If you read about that in detail or come to India and see their lifestyle you will be shocked and so happy that nothing else in this world can even reach near to them in terms of eco friendliness. Then why to stop a child from becoming the happiest and the most ecofriendly being. Is it bad? If child agrees and parents agrees no one else shoudl have any issues. And if some one pressurises a child then it is anywhich ways not allowed as per the scriptures. And some exceptions will always be there where a parent forces a child or the guru forces a child. But we cannot ban the system because some handful of illeterate people in a community.

[@thepalebluedot4171]

Really ? What about the brainwashing done on kids in fanatic christian groups ?

[@backyardintheforestoo2955]

*** I don not mean to offend anybody with this comment. It's just a thought I had. So, if you get offended easily during discussions regarding religion, or do not like questioning religion, then I suggest you do not read further. Thank you.***** I have a question for people who really believe that kids should be allowed to make decisions about religion at such a young age. Would you be on board if your child asked you to attain Diksha at a young age? Would you still be on board if your child said he wanted to practice some other religion, and not the one his parents, i.e., you and your spouse, practice? The man at 14:16 mark talks about the right to practice a religion of your choice. So, would he still defend this fundamental right if, for example, a kid, around 9 or 10 years old, told his parents that he was going to practice some other religion. Would the child still be allowed to practice his fundamental rights then? It's just a question that I have, and in no capacity do I mean to offend any person of any religious background. If you still, somehow, find it offensive, then I apologise for it as that was not my intention.

[@AK-bo7yq]

pin this

[@NitinVerma-oy7ti]

Wow

[@Indian-er6li]

KZbin videos glorifying diksha may misguide young minds to take up this life in Josh without knowing the consequences of the tough life ahead..sad... someone pls save young lives

[@drlucyiris8181]

Yes See I have seen many such videos of youngsters taking diksha ...mostly all of them are from well settled families... I personally feel that they've the potential resources to do something In life and if they don't want moh maya then fine don't use the money for themselves but they can use this money TO HELP PEOPLE... provide food to those who don't get to eat and help those kids study whose parents cannot pay for their education etc like that My father says the biggest way to pray is to HELP PEOPLE in any small or big way possible... because God can't be everywhere and good people are getting lesser n lesser everyday

[@Indian-er6li]

@@drlucyiris8181 completely agree

[@omgomg6602]

How many have stayed in it once the pathway was chosen ? We need statistical data and a monitored approach to ensure the health and safety of minors is not compromised!

[@kirannikam4695]

2% comes back to normal life after accepting diksha. I have heard it in some similar video. Also I have heard it, returning to normal is not considered as an offense, but I don't know the truth.

[@rupalramteke5346]

that kusum girl @ 15:31 was the speaking as a trained parrot , she was too young to be there, wasn't a teen even, she might not aware of her own body pleasures , not aware of travel and ambition , no college or proper school , being a monk is way of life not a way in which life should live. she is talking about society and bad things in it even she didn't know what things are bad... wtf

[@aisb06]

Yesss!?! Ratooo ratoo bc😂

[@durgeshnandinpanda2999]

Usssko rata kar baitha diye hain

[@rupalramteke5346]

Buddhist monk are good better than , they are allowed to go to school , allowed to become a normal person again if want, allowed to make a career if want, becoming a monk should be a conscious choice and not remaining a monk should be too.

[@dankpanda-hl3wn]

Abey mc khudke dindu dharm ka dekh na kitni kamiya hai

[@pariosd3]

It is horribly cruel to take such a huge monastic decision on behalf of a little child whose mental and physical faculties have not yet fully formed. Let the child become an adult and take a decision for his or her own self

[@unhappyGhost07]

Mann 😭😭😭, they are so brain washed, I mean I really feel bad for thier parents, but you can take diksha after 40 or 50 years of your life,I mean they have ruined their family life, am so sorry for their parents, this should be stop, I don't want to hurt anyone but inside I was crying, after watching these videos, I hugged my mom dad , 😭😭 plz don't ruins your parents life, I cried alot when that lady suddenly started to cry and said I feel really bad, for God sake stop this :( am sorry if I hurted anyone,but am so luck that I born in different state 😭 dont ruined you family life , by going life like monk,you think about your self,and what about your parents? What did they have done wrong, pllz don't ruins your parents life, respect for monk but thier is a limit,

[@unhappyGhost07]

@@Evaisgalaxy so sorry , but that what i feel

[@anujasingh8323]

@@Evaisgalaxy make us understand, with scientific knowledge. Jainism is synonymous to Islam . Jainism can never be a part of Hinduism , if this is the logic

[@maxstriker9839]

@@anujasingh8323 what do you wanna understand?

[@yashjain5189]

You can take diksha at the age of 15+ if you want but bal diksha lol 🤣 Even as a jain I'm against it

[@zuhasajid900]

​@@anujasingh8323how is this synoymn to Islam we dont do thos barbaric tradition of diksha our religion doea not says to run away from your family and responsibility by being a monk

[@Jeet_singh8769]

This is really a brave Documentry ❤️

[@guruduttjoshi9319]

Diksha is a very sensitive and controversial topic ,there are lot of conflicts in favor and against. Mahaveer Swami and Gautam Buddha ,in a way took Sanyas /Diksha after attaining adulthood however in Buddhist religion in Tibet , Laddakh etc. we observe very small children sent to monastery. I think Diksha should be a very liberal way to be accepted , at least for children, they should be imbibed in Diksha partially ,allowing him/her to enjoy childhood as and when he matures he can fully be absorbed in Diksha.

[@anujgupta3286]

The whole concept is not for all I guess, suppose all 7-8 billion people want to take Deeksha, tell me the way how the world will survive then? Where they will go for getting food.. Eventually they are dependent on the people who can give them food so that they can survive.. Practicing this for a shorter duration like one year or two seems good.. I mean by that way we can control our feelings and get over ample of worldly things.. But for whole life I don't thing it would work in totality... These are my personal views, I'm not trying to offend any practice or religion here..

[@manishshah2264]

First of all 7-8 billion won’t take diksha. There are only 4-5 million Jains. Diksha should be taken after understanding the world and pains. One only matures at a certain age ( 25+ at least) so these kids or parents have no idea but want to do best for them. Unfortunately most of these parents are only following their own dreams and presence in society. The parents of these kids are not giving up their own lives but living this through their kids unfortunately.

[@rupalramteke5346]

if 3 talak is a leagle issue how bal diksha is not?

[@vasimkagdi9548]

Because its India !!!

[@suttersutter4426]

BOTH are important issues. So is modernization of Hindu Marriage Act which is full of male-friendly loopholes. Literally every single family law in India - Hindu, Jain, Parsi, Christian, Muslim is in need of serious reform.. I am a lawyer

[@tshshk9452]

Than y chairperson didn accepted dikhsha if he says that it should b continued.

[@jerryz6759]

Such double standards when parents who are enjoying life make their children take dikha ....following religion and following a religious path can also be done in a regular life

[@maxstriker9839]

They don't make their child take diksha they choose it themselves and child is first tested they try to live like a monk for a period of time before diksha they can deny at any point

[@jainism_1112]

See neither भोग is permanent nor योग In jainism ,there are 14 gunsthans In these times we are supposed to step only till 7 th gunsthans The 7th gunsthans is the only place for Vairaagis Sadhu sadhviji's gunsthan switches from 6 to 7 n vice versa🙏🙏 Bhagwan preached in jain aagams बधंन क्या है उसे जानो और फिर उसे तोडो

[@payaljain5503]

I want to say u all just go near any Jain monks in your place. See them they r Happy or sad after taking Diksha .

[@payaljain5503]

It's k if they take Diksha after 16. If the parents don't show them the world it's wrong. Mostly bal Diksha happens in dho(2) tithi samuday of Jain.

[@sharmandocar4550]

Exploiting kids…this exercise should be banned..horrible and inhuman

[@lokashankar2602]

Flip side ..which child likes to go to school...all kids cry with so much fear..yet parents push them..thinking that it make them happy in future...job ...money...wife ..etc.but we all know it's a huge illusion

[@dankpanda-hl3wn]

Exactly

[@Jp-js1ft]

What nonsense dharma lifestyle....when u have not allowed a child to live his childhood freely...explore, play...I condemn such tradition I like the tradition of Hinduism where u live a grihastashram till he is old enough his kids have grown his responsibilities r over...then ho ahead & take Santa's or diksha...it is as per ur wisdom by then a person is wise to take decision.... A child or the the grown up shd not be brainwashed by elders & the religious head to take diksha... The government shd do something to ban this tradition completely

[@yashduggad9966]

Very sad to see that you have deleted my original detailed comment , even though it was not having even a pinch of offensiveness, just because it was gaining likes. It was just accidentally that today I opened this video and when I remembered that I have commented on this and just out of curiosity wanted to know the response so I searched for my original comment But I was shocked to see that you deleted that. How could one just remove someone views just to give his view only. Re posting my comment so that viewers could have a complete analysis and then they should decide. Also, from now I will regularly check it.

[@athensmajnoo3661]

You tube is famous for deleting comments left right and centre these days.

[@rushabfuria9154]

I am with uu after 16 they give diksha

[@payaljain5503]

With out training no monk give Diksha on spot. Even child can be mature at small age , their r many acharya bhawan who have taken Diksha at small age.

[@princesskunji]

This is the ridiculous argument people give for child marriage also. That's why there is so much exploitation in the world. It's parents' job to protect their child. Not to just leave them to fend for themselves

[@princesskunji]

Oh God! I feel so sad for that kid. She has no idea what she is saying. 🙄 Its fine if the kid wants to tske deeksha but the psychologist is right...a lot of parents are doing this now only because its a matter of pride for them. The child has no idea. Its your job to direct them to live a full and fulfilling life.

[@payaljain5503]

No guru or parents force child to take Diksha . They take on their own wish. We even can't take a mobile from are own kid in today's world how can a child can take Diksha on force. My Jainism it self a miracle. If u think their are not happy after taking Diksha visit to near any Jain monks stay for a day or week. Then think about it.

[@sonialilly5688]

Please stop calling children mentally retarted ! It is children with additional needs.....

[@sneharawat1735]

This uncle interpreting constitutional rights of a child is just shocking. I mean is this what they teach everyone, is this the kind of knowledge they have!!!. Isn’t there a basic factor based on common sense which makes a kid a kid!! Justifying things to brainwash ppl is just super sad. A kid who is incapable of understanding his right or wrong should not be allowed to take Diksha. This Should totally be included in law because all they are able to understand is numbers mentioned in law then be it. Give them a number and make it a strict one..

[@jyotipatel5191]

You are totally right, that acharya guy he is just using the law in a way to just prove his point right, inke according toh jaise taise tod-marod ke inke points prove ho vo hi important hain. He is not understanding that the intelligence age according to IPC is just to differentiate whats wrong and whats right. But a child who hasn't even started studying properly, hasn't seen the world yet how can he decide that what he seeks is actually the spiritual happiness or the wordly one?

[@Maldoror1972]

The decision to become a monk or nun should be made with a fully developed mind for yourself and by yourself. No one should decide this for you. Jai Jinendra and greetings to all followers of the Jain Dharma from Germany.

[@vinothshivaraj4318]

What's normal for one is quite the opposite for others. It's a conflict of beliefs/world views..

[@payaljain5503]

Even a child can understand the life of the monk, he can understand he should stay away from the family, luxurious life. And Jain monk don't give Diksha directly they take exams, they give them training for 2-3yrs they show them this life

[@jyotivaid6922]

I can't even to think to do such things with my kids. I am single mother of two kids and make every possible effort to make them smile

[@yashduggad9966]

hey ankhit please mention to which side you said

[@ankithjain714]

you are true

[@payaljain5503]

And mostly Jain monks give Diksha after 16 . And they give right knowledge, right path .they take care more then r parents , all r sins which we can't say to r parents but we can say to the monk's. They r really closer to us then the parents. Guarantee you will be relax when u see any Jain monk's.they have solutions of r any problems. Only the main aim for a Jain monk is to have peace in whole world, they try to save all the living beings, even micro organisms. They r really great their take care of the world 🌍.

[@samchopra8842]

I think it should be illegal for anyone to take this decision below the age of 18

[@ramt6102]

When you people advocate free sex among 18-19 year olds based on one's will and wishes, This practice of diksha is atleast honourable . While your free sex creates sex addicts diksha on the other hand creates peaceful people.

[@rupalramteke5346]

at lest child should complete 12th standard at lest 16 to 17 age should be completed.

[@payaljain5503]

My Jainism have all the subject in it. Jainism knowledge is the right knowledge. It has maths, geography of the whole world and beyond the world, karma philosophy, Jain biology (jeev vichar), Jain history many moral full storys etc. Before scientist my Jainism has told about micro organisms in water, root vegetables,aloe Vera etc. And school education does not give such moral ethics like Jainism. Children waste their time with wrong education or just their simply biheart some poems etc that only came use till their exam not to their Life.

[@aisb06]

😂😂😂😂u delusional sister

[@kalashetty6794]

When ru taking Diksha???

[@jainism_1112]

सूत्रकृतांग सूत्र का वर्णन बुज्झिज्जत्ति तिउट्टिज्जा, बंधणं परिजाणिया

[@Nafisa.radhanpurwala]

Jain logo ke muni sadi nahi karte hai.. To phir uski population kese badi?... Sab log esi diksh laene lage jain me to.. After 10 yrars jain darm rahega nahi

[@mubarakpasha1542]

What an illogical thinking u have ,🙄

[@ThatHealedSoul]

Jain muni diksha lene k baad married life ya social life nahi jeete. Alag-2 family k log hote hain. Rahi baat diksha lene ki to itna easy nahi h diksha k baad ki life. Google kar lo pata chal jaega!

[@payaljain5503]

Actually Jain Muni are back bone of r religion.with out monk r community can not be. Their r roll models for us.

[@payaljain5503]

U all r not that mature to understand the Jain religion . so don't think or say any thing about Jain monk . First understand this religion deeply.

[@shabdasharma1841]

Ye sb kya ho ra hai....so depressing to see... Small children doing this...they have a whole life to explore this whole world

[@payaljain5503]

The life of the Jain monk is more peaceful and they enjoy in their own World 🌎. I pray to God I want to take birth again and again in Jain religion only

[@ahuman9682]

This jain guru is right there no age for vairagya sorry for spelling if I made a mistake in this hindi word

[@jignesh_joshi]

वैराग्य khud se aana chahiye. Na ki brain wash hone k baad. 8 saal k bache ko pehle duniya dekhne to do. Sansar kya hai, kesa hai, kya hota hai kya nahi. 8 saal me kya hi dekha hoga. 30 k baad bhi chize unexplored hota hai. Tab tak agar he feels then samaj sakte hai. Not this age.

[@PravinKamble-j3l]

Without knowing Jainism please don’t judge Diksha ceremony Jains are highly literate to understand whats is good for their children

[@drgulati642]

totally false representation in jainism 13 year old kid takes diksha by his own wish parents never force any child to take diksha or not which parents want their child to leave them non sense video maker they take diksha by their own wish and before taking diksha they know what they are doing maharasaheb make sure to check him or her that they are eligible to take diksha or not till 2 years before diksha no parents force them to take diksha

[@yashduggad9966]

hey rahul , i saw your research . and would like add my views over this topic. as far as children rights is considerd you must stay with jain saints how they keep the bal muni ,such caring, love n with responsiblity. even if they are though on them they are just like the parents. to stop them from going to wrong path. And even before giving deeksha they testify wheter the child is suitable to observe the muni life. ALTHOUGH ITS NOT RIGHT TO FORCE A CHILD FOR TAKING DEEKSHA BUT YOU DONT WORRY IN NON OF THE JAIN SECTS NONE OF THE MONK GIVE DEEKSHA IF THAT PERSON IS INTERNALLY DONT WANT.HE IS TOLD EVERTHING THAT AFTER DEEKSHA WHAT HE HAS TO DO , WHAT HE CAN NOT DO AND ALL THAT. AND TO WHAT MR. SHAH SAID THAT TIRTHANKAR 'S ALSO TAKE DEEKSHA AFTER CERTAIN AGE ,EVEN LORD MAHAVEERA HAS GIVEN DEEKSHA TO BAL MUNI AIMUTTA MUNI AT THE AGE OF SIX. AND IF YOU THINK THAT IN THIER YOUNG AGE THEY WILL WISH TO COME TO MATERIALISTIC WORLD ,WELL I PERSONALLY KNOWN MANY SAINTS WHO HAVE TAKEN DEEKSHA IN THEIR CHILDHOOD AND ARE REALLY HAPPY TO TAKE THIS PATH AND ALSO INSPIRES OTHER FOR IT. THATS WHAT I WANT TO PUT. AND REALLY ADMIRE YOUR WORK , WHICH HAS CONSIDER ALL SORTS OF VIEW , BUT WOULD REQUEST YOU TO STAY SOME TIME WITH ANY LEAREND SAINT AND GET THE ESSENCE OF THEIR LIFE.

[@ankithjain714]

True said

[@hallydesai2464]

YASH DUGGAD

[@gayathrip8575]

After the age of 25 , people can take their Diksha ,like one bills should be pass to the Government...it's save kids life and they to get educational knowledge before they get dhiksha.

[@shwetamittal5888]

Oh dear lord please stop.this.

[@payaljain5503]

If child is mature and strong he or she can take Diksha after 8yrs old. And with out parents permission Jain guru don't give Diksha

[@Pravinchaudhary01]

Why don't you right in one comments??

[@krunalivasanwala2870]

Do not viral this video as this not the topic of debut of against jain diksha,as nobody has rights to interfere in religious matter, Jainnism taught to how to secur your life n your soul right from childhood as no other religion taught all this so stop critised jain bal diksha

[@moovlast8240]

If children is have matureness is full developed is right otherwise this will be serious issue.

[@NitinVerma-oy7ti]

Atleast someone is standing

[@legciv]

Jainism ❤️.Don't defame.Jains showed the world how to live before times immemorial. Note:I am a Muslim

[@jiwipaurushatwa1911]

No you are not a muslim, you are jain

[@jiwipaurushatwa1911]

You are using fake id

[@legciv]

@@jiwipaurushatwa1911 😂 What am I gonna get by using fake id

[@wasimquasim6350]

Lol😂

[@akritisharma6801]

Mam u r absolutely right

[@Here4nowiam]

Jainism is a bad philosophy stay away from all these things just live

[@PriyaSingh-ho1cv]

Bal diksha should be banned 🚫 Dear government of india please stop this

[@suyashjain4316]

Anti Jain propaganda by these uncles and aunties.

[@patil.tanishkaawsstudent6591]

Vairagi ne Vandan

[@aartichoudhary22]

Khud ye chashme wala normal jeevan jee rha hai...orr baatein dekho.. Hypocrite... Ye khud kyun ni tyaag rha ye materialistic jeevan or diksha le rha ...

[@ksworld1232]

Jabardastise saadhu banate hai dinon tak bhkhe rehte hai. Kaiae hai ye log

[@drgulati642]

logically when i was 9 year old i was totally sure i wanna be doctor i took that decision without any pressure and i am becoming a doctor now if i can take decision at the age of 9 and i still wanna be doctor even after so many years i was aware what i am doing so jain bal munis above 9 years can decide what they wanna be hence proved lhs =rhs

[@ahuman9682]

I am an ex muslim I like jainism

[@drgulati642]

just follow basic principles of jainism and follow steps of mahavir shawami then you are jain follow simple life

[@durgeshnandinpanda2999]

Koiii baaat nahiiin....baaan jaooo sanyas....mera ghar kya area main koi jain samyashi dikhe to khane ko nahiin dooongi....jaooo apna ghar aur khana khaooo....khana milll jata hai to bakwas nikalta hai...

[@dankpanda-hl3wn]

Jain sadhu tumhare jaise neech jaati ke logo se aahar lete bhi nahi hai

[@dankpanda-hl3wn]

Badi badi baate but itna yaad rakho tumhe kutta bhi nai yaad karega

[@durgeshnandinpanda2999]

@@dankpanda-hl3wn tujhko pooch k thodina koi kisiko yaaad rakhta hai...yaaa fir vuul jaaata hai????by the way tuuu bada achha vok Raha hai...lagta hai tuuu v kutttaaaa hai😁😂

[@extemporaneous4545]

If this video wants to purport that child diksha is so bad, how come they couldn't find a single former child monk, now all grown up and left the order, coming out to say how terrible it was? Children who are made to go to school and sit for long hours and have to endure tuition class after tuition class and enrichment class after enrichment class after school are also in a state of slavery. The monk's right on that one. Lots of grown up former child academic slaves like me are willing to say so. I endured such a childhood.

[@extemporaneous4545]

@ြ ķ76ထüß Then why is it that of the children raised in cults; children raised by Amish; children raised by non traditional couples (I hope you understand my meaning, because if I write out the words this comment might not post), so many come forward as adults to say that they were wronged during their childhoods, and that something essential was taken away by them, but not children raised as Jain monks? How is it that children of other cults who are openly acknowledged by psychiatrists to have been brain washed can speak up as adults? Has any psychiatrist interviewed child and adult Jain monks and found them to be brain washed, for you to make that claim? Please provide me with the links to those studies.

[@extemporaneous4545]

@ြ ķ76ထüß Btw, your comment didn't post, dude. But my answer did. Check with another account.

[@extemporaneous4545]

@ြ ķ76ထüß Thanks for letting me elaborate on my point.

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@ြ ķ76ထüß Then why do you bother? If it is such a non-issue, why do you bother to post comments on this subject which is obviously so pressing otherwise you wouldn't do it, then you delete your comments. Why? Obviously, it is not just a numbers game. Do you have any data on the numbers of dikshas from ancient times till now? I refer you to the Times of India article of 19/10/2015. // In the 12 month period from 01/08/2014 to 31/07/2015, the Jain community saw the largest count of people taking the vow if diksha. Doctors, lawyers, businessmen and teenagers were among those taking the route to monkhood. Today, the number of monks in the community is a whopping 16,000. In 1986, there were 9,426 monks, and their numbers rose by 836 over the next decade. This, despite the fact that there are about 1,200 deaths among Jain monks each year. // I also refer you to BBC news 08/07/2019. // There used to be hardly 10 to 15 dikshas a year until a few years ago. But last year (i.e. 2018), that number rose to 250 and Dr Joshi says this year is likely to see 400 dikshas. Last month, in a procession of 600 attendees, most under 25, reportedly hundreds expressed a desire to take diksha. Among them was a 12 year old, who wants to take it before he turns 15. // Please do not change the facts to suit your convenience. The total number of Jains is 4.5 million, not the total number of dikshas. So from these, the numbers of dikshas are slowly and steadily climbing, at a comfortable pace. And you seem to have a problem with that, or you wouldn't comment here.

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@ြ ķ76ထüß 2nd comment for today : Jainism has survived since the 9th century B.C.E., according to Western sources, though the Indic sources put that date much much earlier. Many Hindus also agree with the tenets of Jainism, and Hindus have no problem following multiple religions. So Jainism as as ideology will never die out. It will always have new adherents. And that bothers you, otherwise you wouldn't comment here.

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Very very bad. Cruelty, torture, no life it's better to die than to lead this life.

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hey rahul , i saw your research . and would like add my views over this topic. as far as children rights is considerd you must stay with jain saints how they keep the bal muni ,such caring, love n with responsiblity. even if they are though on them they are just like the parents. to stop them from going to wrong path. And even before giving deeksha they testify wheter the child is suitable to observe the muni life. ALTHOUGH ITS NOT RIGHT TO FORCE A CHILD FOR TAKING DEEKSHA BUT YOU DONT WORRY IN NON OF THE JAIN SECTS NONE OF THE MONK GIVE DEEKSHA IF THAT PERSON IS INTERNALLY DONT WANT.HE IS TOLD EVERTHING THAT AFTER DEEKSHA WHAT HE HAS TO DO , WHAT HE CAN NOT DO AND ALL THAT. AND TO WHAT MR. SHAH SAID THAT TIRTHANKAR 'S ALSO TAKE DEEKSHA AFTER CERTAIN AGE ,EVEN LORD MAHAVEERA HAS GIVEN DEEKSHA TO BAL MUNI AIMUTTA MUNI AT THE AGE OF SIX. AND IF YOU THINK THAT IN THIER YOUNG AGE THEY WILL WISH TO COME TO MATERIALISTIC WORLD ,WELL I PERSONALLY KNOWN MANY SAINTS WHO HAVE TAKEN DEEKSHA IN THEIR CHILDHOOD AND ARE REALLY HAPPY TO TAKE THIS PATH AND ALSO INSPIRES OTHER FOR IT. THATS WHAT I WANT TO PUT. AND REALLY ADMIRE YOUR WORK , WHICH HAS CONSIDER ALL SORTS OF VIEW , BUT WOULD REQUEST YOU TO STAY SOME TIME WITH ANY LEAREND SAINT AND GET THE ESSENCE OF THEIR LIFE.