Challenger ADC Guide to Laning: Basics of Pushing

[@bigblueman12]

Great content, not clickbait and actual information - unlike 90% of League youtubers - keep it up!

[@Caine132]

AJ Brown you mean “keep it taco”

[@takoyari]

This is the most helpful, down to earth guide I've ever found. Real footage, real game play and not a cinematic voice-over.

[@cameronshoesmith3779]

I never thought i'd find a video i need to slow down instead of speed up

[@xNatheeeGamer]

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[@jamesstone7394]

I had been using skillcapped for a long time to get better with minimal results, all of their videos just made me watch footage of pros and telling me what they were doing. While that is a little helpful, I like that you have rules to follow and explain in simple terms. I moved from bronze to silver on skillcapped. I moved from silver to plat with your videos. Keep the educational stuff up!

[@LostMysto]

Gotta love saber man he just makes the best guides on league for adc players I learned so much shit from this guy. Love you bro keep it up

[@codybear5840]

I just barely discovered this. And adc my preferred role, and I've been playing for quite awhile, it's nice to see some of the things I just do now is in here, but there is a lot of other stuff I didn't think about in his guides. So it's gonna help me polish off my adc role for sure.

[@F4ttym4n]

You're my go to for ADC content, love the vids. Keep it up bro!

[@trevor7234]

12:52 min/max here: Siv Q to Trist face after she dodges left of nado. Like the earlier one at east side of turret where he/she can’t dodge.

[@already100degrees]

This is good info. Especially the line drawing which helps me understand my limits when pushing.

[@blackbelt807]

I know I am a bit late but I am currently trying to learn the adc role and you are now my favorite adc main, I learned a lot in this video

[@hollowxdify]

Very useful, gives me more incentive to rank now!

[@Mrocax]

I'm just learning ADC, and I'm really enjoying all of these videos. Thanks for the help!

[@InsertUsernameBrandHere]

Thanks for the vid, even though I knew some of this stuff in the back of my head. Hearing it and your analysis verifies that. Also it helped me realize that I don't pay enough attention to the jungle.

[@rikkiemane1789]

been playing this game for years, and this is stuff i havn't even been thinking about until now, thanks time to hit diamond!

[@JgHaverty]

I absolutely LOVE those small tips like denying creeps when pushing turret lol. I think most of us just tunnel vision into getting that turret. thats just some high level macro play right there lol

[@lysander9957]

Given how dominant highly mobile adc's are, could you do a video on how adc's like Ashe/Kog'Maw/Varus that lack movement abilities can keep up?

[@pedrobarbeira8729]

aa move mechanics and living in dodge city

[@Dlannmir]

@@pedrobarbeira8729 not really, basically it depends on your matchup but if you feel like you can't do nothing you try to keep the minion wave on the middle and punish the other adc when trying to hit minions, if they got hook - all-in support freeze or slow push the waves near your tower, if they hook you, tower is near, same if they try to hit you, ofc you shouldn't let them hard push, with champ like varus, if you got some like naut or thresh should wait unitil he flash hook/flare, and you can follow up after, aa move is good vs melee and basically you try to need to dodge the less possible on teamfights with your position and being respectful of enemyes skills. Knowing this you can survive even with olaf and fizz going for you like i do, survive - punish them and win, use your team as meat shield and your prio is to stay alive and hit the closest target to you.

[@soczek7191]

@@pedrobarbeira8729 dodge city xd

[@yatharthvyas]

Every time I watch your videos, I learn something new! Thanks

[@SeetheWithin]

Damn that tower trick, so awesome! I'll have to try it when I get the chance, very informative clip!

[@bambus414]

Please make adc tier list for low and high elo. Love your content keep it up

[@Bouwer2100]

Plenty of those already, as long as its not trash tier it doesnt matter

[@ShinYamiZakura]

Just play Annie until diamond.

[@seddikelouazzani2755]

Great content bro, i was low plat adc until i saw ur videos im master 100lp now thanks a lot

[@lx-icon]

Hey Saber, thanks for another great video! Something I'm struggling with is wave management when low after a fight. In gold elo fights break out constantly for no reason and my CS generally suffers as a result. I know that pushing into turret is the best thing to do when it's possible, and when it's not possible, set up a slow push back to yourself. But I really struggle with setting up the slow push and timing it properly. A tutorial on this would be amazing!

[@xFSNSaber]

general rule of thumb, slow push until you can hard shove everything into their tower

[@colalover4524]

I know this video is somewhat older but my god. This is a video worthy of 10m subs easily. Helping me out, thanks!

[@BattlewarPenguin]

Saber is such an evil mastermind using that final trick

[@adrianwalle5031]

Super good videos man, as a plat adc main I find this very helpful. Keep it up! Having my sub for this :)

[@JuMpSHotZz471]

I love your vids, i loved to play adc but when assasin getted meta I had no idea how to play adc. You helped me rly out.

[@user-ym8ui3wu6c]

Best youtuber yt. You helped me so much no one else is like you

[@LinuxerMC]

thanks for the guides man, i really appreciate them :)

[@jonasjj1612]

Great Job, dude. Cheers from Brazil!

[@AlluckyTV]

Question, why don't you auto the caster minions before the melee minions if your goal is to push fast?

[@9league120]

i love you dude keep doing this

[@Skadooshbag]

Was playing Ez last night with a Veigar up against Miss F and Jarvin. Holy hell the amount of pressure was ridiculous. I couldn't safely step up to CS or trade because getting jumped on and destroyed. It was a bad game.

[@merlin7873]

I heckin love you, so informative

[@jussinimi1461]

This'll help me a lot, thanks :)

[@drbadn3ws]

Hey great video! Question: Do you measure the strength of a jungler early on by the amount of cc they have or by something else? Like I thought of khazix as a pretty strong early jungle usually. -Aldey

[@kingnahiem4715]

I would say Khazix can punish solo enemies early, sure. But his power doesn't start at all until 3 and that's just the minimum. K6 usually needs an item and first evolution before he's a true threat and he needs to farm in order to get there so that takes a lot of his early pressure away. Compared to some other JGs like Lee Sin, Elise, Zac who hit 2 or 3 and are constantly ready to hop on laners or objectives whenever possible. Not that K6 is weak, his power is just centric to a different point in the game.

[@vencelfoldi8236]

khazix is a strong early jungler but not because of his ganking power. solo lanes are ok but its really hard to gank bot as a khazix without a decent engage from the support. we have 2 types of "strong early" junglers: those who can invade and kill the enemy jungler very easily in 1v1 like khazix or nidalee and those who can gank even without any engage from the laner like leesin or elise. if we are talking about pushing then only the second type is considered as "strong early jungler".

[@kingnahiem4715]

@@vencelfoldi8236 Naturally, strength should be measured by consistency. Catching enemy jg is not as frequent as being involved in lane, as Saber puts it in another video, "you can determine how good something is if it works most of the time." Khazix is not going to get a free 1v1 most of the time. Maybe some of it maybe even a good amount in some people's opinion but the lanes will be involved in more occasions than his solo 1v1 with enemy jg. So in that case, overall his early game is limited because he only has enemy jg 1v1 pressure. Compared to Lee or elise who can also kill enemy jg early but can also gank. Because overall they are strong early.

[@xFSNSaber]

usually cc, mad damage, or anywhere in between; ie elise, xin, lee

[@kingnahiem4715]

As a support, what should I do to help my ADC when this is happening to us rather than being used to our advantage? I've had situations where the enemy is zoning and pushing effectively, and it scared my ADC off the lane basically. Even if I made a good catch they would be too afraid to follow up, often resulting in early game snowballing into a deep hole. Should I leave this kind of ADC on their own?

[@Alkaliter]

As a adc i have the same question. Sometimes the enemy bot lane has more poke or just straight up damage that getting cs for items is almost impossible without being forced to back.

[@Killerfrikis97]

Man your videos are so informativa and useful to me, and im d2 lol, keep it up!!

[@Crihs95]

Great content as always, i'd like to make a request, could you do something like this but for situations where it's harder to judge if it's better to stay and push or to just leave the wave and base, like those awkward wave situations where you just got a gank but you're oom and you can't make the wave crash into them, stuff like that

[@xFSNSaber]

you just straight base if they can kill you while you're trying to push the wave in

[@yungguellopez4883]

Yeah very good man! I’m tying to be the best adc. LETS GOOOOO. Tryna get like you

[@rishabhjain6529]

Thanks, this is really useful. I had a few questions though, what would you do when it's not so safe? Like in this video you didn't have vision of Kha at all he could have ganked at any time when you were poking under tower and then even with spell shield and flash there's a chance you die, right? What if you're playing someone who is not permanently safe then you can't shove the whole time which kind of defeats the point of the strategy since then you can't deny the enemy as hard.

[@xFSNSaber]

Well for your first point, the reason why we're pushing without vision of kha is because even if he comes out from behind in worst case scenerio it's impossible for us to die. Without that premise, we can't push. If you can't just yolo push lanes in another game due to match or jungle or whatever, then it's fine to freeze/slow push/play safe in general

[@Definch]

TY

[@Nakytzu]

I like this guide a lot. However, I don't know when I should be pushing them in and pressuring them under tower while they last hit, or freeze the wave towards my side and deny like that. How do I know when to do what?

[@Jeremy-lh3lg]

Support main here, still useful knowledge

[@kjelesnianski5214]

@xFSN Saber. Great Video! My own question (and slight video content request) is how to counter this game play? How do you break this cycle if your the Tristana in this game OR against a heavy poke bottom lane (e.g., vs a sivir with brand). Thanks again for all ur great videos!

[@MrTim297]

Great guide, thank you!

[@VuPhamOffiziell]

Hi Saber, I have big troubles against poke lanes. I always end up having less hp than my opponents and then I have to go back first loosing a lots of cs although i am trying to freeze or even let them push to me, so that I can farm in a safer position than them. It always ends up in any of these cases: 1. I am against poke lane and my supporter doesn't peel for me and we both loose trades and I end up with less hp than my opponents and have to back first while they are pushing their minions under my tower so I loose CS and simultaneously have to back - so double-loose situation for me. What can I do against that? 2. I am against a hook-supporter like Thresh, Pyke, Nautilus, Blitzcrank or whatever and the opponent adc is not substantial in this use case - only the opponent supporter is zoning me so hard that I can't farm and my supporter too (my supporter literally never does anything to protect me or give me advantages to win trades - i feel like always 1v2 on bot lane). How can I prevent the enemy supporter from zoning me? Thanks and kind regards.

[@Shadrag]

so what is the idea of wanting to push in general depending on matchup? do you in general don't want to push against poke lanes because they can try to poke you while pushing so you are easier to gank. or do you always want to push against catch lanes if you have counterplay to their important abilities. are there some basic ideas of 'i can push' regarding the matchup?

[@xFSNSaber]

In general, push against poke lanes, push against trade lanes, calculate before you push against all-in and catch lanes

[@Shadrag]

thanks. of course that doesnt mean that i mindlessly try to push every game but i feel like i have a general idea now on how to play the laning phase. ^^

[@totylkobizon903]

Really thank you for all your helpful videos

[@valueds]

Best vid, keep making more ADC Tips!

[@nutsak309]

are there some tricks to sidestepping skillshots you could make a video on or it's just walking as random as possible and nothing more to that? I know it probably would be hard to explain that because its pretty intuition based

[@xFSNSaber]

I can make a video, you basically jebait them into thinking they can hit you and dodge at the last second

[@nutsak309]

@@xFSNSaber Thanks man, can't wait to see the vid!

[@kubini97]

Hello there. At first I'd like to say, that your videos are great and i have learned a lot from them. But in my case most od that advices are working on every match-up but not in "vs Lucian" and "vs Draven" and the problem is that on soloq im playing like 7 out of 10 against them (im always trying to ban one od them but still second one is open). I would love if you make a video how to deal against them mostly when you are playing some scaling ad(Jinx sivir trist Twitch etc.)

[@ashryverxS]

Great video Saber, thanks

[@jjgavilano]

Good video! I just have a question. I tend to get paired with supports who will want to shove lane when i'm trying to freeze, if i ping them or tell them they get upset. I feel like most support players in high gold are very impatient in lane phase and just want to shove and fight. How do I deal with this?

[@flowseeker2097]

How can i get a coaching? Im seriously interested. your videos are so clear and imformative. And i feel like a coaching from you could benefit me alot!

[@xFSNSaber]

pm me on discord, info's in the description box!

[@shyguy5880]

so would strong early game junglers you cant push against be ones which have some sort of cc pre 6 or just anyone who does alot of early game damage

[@xFSNSaber]

yes

[@blakebennett1844]

Just subbed love your videos they are so helpful

[@MapleJokerRofl]

This also requires a decent support . Ive been in this situation with a garbage support and trying to counter it by yourself is pretty shit . All you can do is farm under tourret .

[@Kris_Hagen]

Nice video! I'm a top lane main, but still useful :) Love the little paypal popup at the end :D

[@rogamr9612]

hi good video i wanna ask if you have or if you wanna do video about how to play when you got autofill or bad supp bcs i dont how to deal with it

[@xFSNSaber]

if the miss abilities don't try to fight

[@Senski_]

That was very insightful I think I learned a few things

[@benc4853]

Saber! How about strong aa champs like draven? Is it still ok for him to attack on cd?

[@4l3kxtripb51]

lol how i dindt run up to this dude before, subscribed gj bro!!!

[@milkyapple23]

Going straight to your twitch my dood, noice content

[@Auchaser643]

Just did this as cait vs ashe and it was even nastier because the enemy bot was leashing while we didn't need to leash for ours

[@zakarianagbi2970]

Thank you for this content keep it up dude !

[@adityaj66]

That was some fine adc content

[@kraventm]

you play vs metasolary, i love that guy

[@jagovanbeek]

So what do you do when they have a strong early game jungler? Do you just not do this method?

[@michaelyang838]

Hey what about what to do against hard pushing?

[@xFSNSaber]

Farm under tower, look to see if you can trade if your jungler can gank

[@TheFakeMackie]

Thanks Saber.

[@nandinbayarodsuren7517]

Would love a Kalista matchup guide. Seems like everyone ignores her nowadays

[@Uatemydoodle]

64-cs challenger Heimer main? How is that possible?

[@theSato]

He's on his smurf account for the sake of more clearly demonstrating things and how effective they can be at a normal person's elo, so the Heimerdinger isn't Challenger

[@pranowo94]

Then how do you counter it? With that tristana and nautilus?

[@701tang]

You try to hard engage if janna or sivir walk too close of the tower

[@ladislavhusty9466]

Hey Saber, great stuff thx for the video, are you aware of some similar YT channel but jungle focused ? Adc is my second role so I watch you anyway :)

[@WedgiejacksonComms]

Ladislav Hustý I don’t know any specific channels but I watched a lot of LS reviewing higher elo junglers as he focuses a lot on macro and clear, and tried to incorporate those strats into my considerably lower Elo ranked games.

[@bobbycooler]

quick question why take pta on sivir i thought you take lethal tempo bc her q and w procs it through wave

[@xFSNSaber]

just testing things

[@marklester9101]

I cant even time my spell shield on sivir right , i always use it late or block a skill that i did not intend to block. Thats why i dont use her.

[@deletedaccount1170]

for those who know pornstar zilean now I get what people mean when they comment on his perma push strategy calling it "braindead". So he is just doing this except he is playing a lane bully so it's difficult for them to trade back between waves?

[@TheElMalko]

I love your videos! Super informative and actually educational unlike many other LoL youtubers. Keep going!

[@andey1685]

is RTO the otp renekton?

[@HolyMith]

Why is it that not a single LoL youtuber can resist diving into a flurry of jargon at the drop of a hat? I'm here to learn shit, so that really doesn't help.

[@PlayaGuitar]

On your first back, you could have sold your pot and got a refillable. Is that something you should do or is it not worth the gold investment?

[@xFSNSaber]

if you think you need the sustain then go for it

[@VerivusE7]

Whats the insight of the rune page you're running in this video?

[@lennartnitsche2362]

Awesome Video 👍

[@eugenstefanita7308]

If this is published in 2019 how did he make rank borders like diamond for exemple look like many years ago? That s a tutorial i wish to see, i loved the way the old times rank bordes were Nowadays i barely make differences

[@2minixo]

He didn't, the video that he is using is just old af

[@jonathanhughey9673]

Love your videos!

[@martinnimcevic8197]

earned yourself a sub

[@Nazofire411]

what rank is this? my god that tristana was 200 hp leapt into 3 full health champions

[@benjamingordon792]

Rip being able to see who is lagging with the 100% single bars per person

[@zedre7633]

Gungle jank.

[@dantheman9079]

can someone tell me what "auto-attack on cooldown" means please ?

[@dantheman9079]

@@wungus-bongo but cool down means the amount of time before you can use an ability, and auto-attack is separate to that idea? saying auto attack on CD doesn't make any logical sense to me?

[@Tendenciess]

@@dantheman9079 bruh. It's the amount of time before you can auto attack again (a cooldown)

[@dantheman9079]

Txrz I get that but auto attack automatically attacks for you, you have a rate or speed of auto attack, not a cool down surely? As an ex wow player the phrase auto attack on cool down is a paradox

[@MariaAtlazia]

How could Tristana win this lane with this tactic?

[@FitbyWillZ]

Same question, I’ve been In many similar situations as the tris and sivir does this and I always lose

[@liuvickie7447]

Hi well done here! As a d1 ad main would like to know how to know what the differences here between d1 and grandmasters. And can i add you friend? :3

[@xFSNSaber]

not sure what the difference is yet since the rank system is messed up. If we're assuming d1 this season is d3 last season and grandmasters is d1 last season, then the difference is just making everything more consistent

[@faisalgalvez1750]

Didnt even realized that the supp was. actully MetaSolo Edit: The enemy supp/Naut

[@riotgaymes9280]

As an Tristan’s main I feel offended. The game is called kill Janna and w out till you can 1v2

[@lz7345]

10/10 vid

[@Dunsel91]

How did he know that they were auto filled?

[@richnychauvel830]

Tristana grasp awkward but look at him doing caitlyn grasp wooow 🤣🤣

[@akebengtsson1223]

What is the champion he is playing called?

[@gman7378]

Sivir

[@akebengtsson1223]

Thx

[@tanyodachi170]

Still wondering, how much does a coaching cost with you?

[@xFSNSaber]

$30 per hour, pm me on discord

[@pauledwards2052]

Now imagine how much more money you would have denied and how much stronger your push would have been if you didn't afk auto, but instead slow pushed and dove with WW.

[@xFSNSaber]

where in the clip is the opportunity to dive with ww?

[@pauledwards2052]

@@xFSNSaber You are right my mistake. Below are video timers not game timers. At 3:30 the wave is going to bounce off of the tower, and the enemy team is chunked a bit. Instead of pushing the next wave at 4:20 or so, you can secure level 3 with last hits (naut is not even contesting the wave) At 5:05 (or 5:12 because you would secure lvl 3 later by last hitting) you ward the river with a trinket, and then just zone them from the wave with the powerful janna w and the fact naut+spell shield doesn't work. At 5:40 the next wave arrives and now it is pushing towards you. At 6:30 or so the next wave arrives, it is slow pushing towards them At 7:20-7:40 (not sure when exactly because it is too hypothetical) it crashes and WW is botside. Even if WW doesn't want to go for a dive at lvl 4-5, you still deny 3 full waves from trist, and attract a huge amount of jg pressure while your own jg is botside (most of the time you are safe because Kha doesn't have R + trink warded from 5:00 - 6:00) Reset 7:55 - 8:10 come back to a cannon wave pushing towards you and a BF sword in your pocket. Repeat. Yes you got the kill on Naut, but it was because he got frustrated and decided to int. There is no reason that wouldn't happen if they are zoned all the way out of exp range.

[@xFSNSaber]

​@@pauledwards2052 you might want to test out some wave management ideas in game if you think some of these are pushing back. For example, at 3:30 yeah the wave will eventually build towards you but only after like 3 waves. Once it's pushing to us, we can't zone them unless we can 2v3 them and the jungler and it's doubtful we can even do a 2v2 in their wave. At the same time you are giving up opportunities to get plates, river control, and poke opportunities under tower. Try it out in game and let me know if you still think it's better

[@GamesEnjoy]

good job

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