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Screentime with Phil and Erika

Күн бұрын

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@JJdaPK
@JJdaPK 5 ай бұрын
Tashi's smile/laugh at the end was because she FINALLY got to see "good f**king tennis." Art finally showed some real passion in his final match with Patrick.
@erikamanzano338
@erikamanzano338 5 ай бұрын
Yes! After rewatching that scene, I was mindblown. Gives the ending so much more meaning with that desire of hers coming full circle.
@IVNHYPRFNK
@IVNHYPRFNK 5 ай бұрын
@@erikamanzano338 The final match parallels with the kissing in the beginning too!
@cutienerdgirl
@cutienerdgirl 5 ай бұрын
If you're upset about the open ending, just know that Luca Guadagnino (the executive director) said all three of the main characters wound up going back to a hotel room after the match. Do with that what you will. 😂
@PhilipManzano
@PhilipManzano 5 ай бұрын
😂😂
@Square-ow7oq
@Square-ow7oq 5 ай бұрын
He is the director, not the writer. And in that interview he and the actors where talking about their guesses about what happened after the film, and there was not a definitive answer, they just gave their opinion. If the director wanted to make that finale, he would have filmed it, but it wasn't his story and the script, and the movie itself has an open ending deliberately. I like that idea, and i agree that could definitely happen, but you make it sound like that ending is the real ending of the film, but it isn't.
@patmcconnell9956
@patmcconnell9956 5 ай бұрын
@@Square-ow7oqIt’s just a silly, satisfying thing for us to envision that that’s the outcome all of us bisexual trouble shippers wanted. Not canonical obviously but it’s harmless fun that we hold onto that idea and manifest it with others.
@Square-ow7oq
@Square-ow7oq 5 ай бұрын
@patmcconnell9956 yeah, thats what i said
@patmcconnell9956
@patmcconnell9956 5 ай бұрын
@@Square-ow7oq Oh I interpreted your comment as dismissing that theory altogether like we’re wrong for manifesting this harmless fantasy so my bad.
@12CANTMATTER
@12CANTMATTER 5 ай бұрын
Zendaya said if you’re thinking “fuck Tashi” at the end then you have to watch the movie again. For Tashi, it’s always about tennis
@PowerDiva
@PowerDiva 5 ай бұрын
I think this is one of those movies you have to watch more than once to fully appreciate every nuance of it. There's just so many layers to it that different people can take away different things from it. I love films like this where it starts a conversation about who is really the bad guy and who is the good guy and what each thing means. You can view this film in so many different contexts and none of them would necessarily be wrong - that's true art right there.
@JJdaPK
@JJdaPK 5 ай бұрын
I'm glad I rewatched it because my perspective totally shifted on 2nd viewing. The first-time I saw it I thought of Tashi as sort of a villain, but on rewatch I was much more sympathetic to her and instead thought Art was the worst of the three as his weasel-like manipulations led to the ending of Patrick and Tashi's relationship, Tashi being in a bad headspace which led to her injury and the division among the three.
@PowerDiva
@PowerDiva 5 ай бұрын
@@JJdaPK that's what I love about it - how many layers there are to each character. I think Tashi and Patrick were a better fit for each other, but he challenged her and she wasn't ready for that. As we later see though, she never could really walk away from him - even after marrying and starting a family with Art. Patrick and Art were called Fire and Ice, but I think Tashi and Patrick were the real Fire and Ice.
@aukereyaaa
@aukereyaaa 5 ай бұрын
“rue i would expect this out of cassie but not you” 😂😂😂😂 so true
@iris-xo
@iris-xo 5 ай бұрын
I don't think Tashi actually went to college for other skills.. it was a marketing strategy that many athletes go with. The "humble" approach/beginning before going pro. She said she was planning on going pro before the end of their first year at Stanford, so that was always her and her family's intentions
@mariap2591
@mariap2591 5 ай бұрын
having seen the film 3 times now, the film’s narrative is being heavily driven by Tashi and seen through her lens. the ending itself, especially Tashi’s reaction in the very last shot cements that for me. even the fact that the film ends with her seems to further solidify that idea because in the end, she got everything she ever wanted. the boys finally gave her that "good f*cking tennis" she so badly wanted to watch from day 1. Tashi also got the boys to finally understand how tennis "is an (intimate) relationship” between two people (this is also essentially the entire thesis of the film). art’s and patrick’s performance during the tiebreak very much demonstrated that; therefore, allowing Tashi the ability to live vicariously through them both as though she were on that court playing the game herself. when she stood up and screamed her guttural "come on!!" one final time, it was because she got everything she ever asked for and wanted, including, the high that she used to feel all those years ago when playing tennis herself before the injury ever took place.
@FalWasHere2
@FalWasHere2 5 ай бұрын
after patrick did the sign, IT MOTIVATES ART. They three rely on each other for their own satisfaction. and because of that, Tashi got to finally watch some good fucking tennis. and then, Patrick got to fuck tashi again and get his best friend back. I think that's the major point of the movie.
@namjoonswife3300
@namjoonswife3300 5 ай бұрын
1:16 He is Zendaya's assistant and best friend❤
@PowerDiva
@PowerDiva 5 ай бұрын
Luca asked Zendaya to contact him for this role - he wanted him but knew they were friends and thought she had a better chance of convincing him to take the role. In the end Darnell said - it's Luca Guadagnino, are you kidding? There's no question the answer was going to be yes.
@Easybreezylemonsqueezy928
@Easybreezylemonsqueezy928 5 ай бұрын
Not quite sure why everyone keeps bringing up how Tom Holland feels. They’re actors and this is just another job. Not coming for you guys in any way, just general speculation since it’s a common comment being made. I’ve never heard this discourse surrounding any other acting couple
@PhilipManzano
@PhilipManzano 5 ай бұрын
Interesting! I had no idea people did that with them specifically. That kind of dynamic with any acting couple is actually something we talk about quite a bit even away from the reactions haha. A different level of professionalism, for sure.
@Easybreezylemonsqueezy928
@Easybreezylemonsqueezy928 5 ай бұрын
@@PhilipManzanooh ok that makes sense! Yeah once the trailer for this movie came out a lot of people were even speculating that they broke up because of it
@reynaldolorenzo8409
@reynaldolorenzo8409 5 ай бұрын
I expected this film to be just a sexy love triangle tennis film, so I didn't expect the characters to be interesting, but they were actually complex, and the relationship was very interesting. The directing, cinematography, acting, score, etc, is all great, very good film and I didn't expect it, it's too 3 for me of the year up there with Dune Part 2, and Furiosa. And I like the ambiguity of the ending, not every film needs to have a decisive ending, it's nice to have some original ambiguous ending. Not many channels react to really good films like these and mostly react to overrated franchises and content that will give them a lot of views and likes, so I respect y'all for reacting to these films. I would love to see you guys react to The Holdovers, Poor Things, Anatomy of a Fall, All of Us Strangers, May December, American Fiction, and The Zone of Intrest, and Love Lies Bleeding is another underrated film of the year; it's a A24 film, and it's great.
@PowerDiva
@PowerDiva 5 ай бұрын
All of Us Strangers! Such an underrated film that hardly anyone does reactions too... I instantly will subscribe to anyone who does.
@panashe5268
@panashe5268 5 ай бұрын
I actually think athletes should do a year or two in college. I feel like most people will agree that their best memories come from their college days. It’s a step up in competition from highschool where most people will develop as athletes and young adults. Highschool is designed to prepare you for college, college prepares you for the pros.
@AChickandaDuck
@AChickandaDuck 3 ай бұрын
“I wonder if that makes for an interesting dynamic?” To say the least 😂 Loved your reaction! This is one of my favorites of the year.
@matsaidso
@matsaidso 5 ай бұрын
I absolutely loved this movie , I’ve seen 3 times already - okk so Erika is saying zendaya’s name right lol
@brayancrescencio7952
@brayancrescencio7952 5 ай бұрын
Their acceptance of sexualizing Zendaya vs their Homophobia really is a good tell seeing acc Challengers reactions
@melodrama6107
@melodrama6107 5 ай бұрын
the ending is perfect in every way if it drag on it would contradict the whole movie
@cutienerdgirl
@cutienerdgirl 5 ай бұрын
Patrick is the least toxic person in this film. He was honest, and he saw through the rest of their facades. *The only thing Patrick ever did wrong was sleeping with Tashi while she was with Art, and I think it's 100% fine because Art is a SNAKE!* 🐍😆
@panashe5268
@panashe5268 5 ай бұрын
I hate when people have this logic. Just because you know you’re a bad person doesn’t mean you’re better than others. If that’s the case than Jeffrey Dahmer is better than a lot of people.
@cutienerdgirl
@cutienerdgirl 5 ай бұрын
@@panashe5268 Patrick wasn't a bad person. He was literally the most honest and kindest person in the film, whereas everyone else verbally degraded him, hit him, and lied to him.
@yourvalentine3726
@yourvalentine3726 5 ай бұрын
We were a bad person they all are. No one is worse than the other they used each other for as much as they needed to. Patrick isn't the most honest, he spoke up when he could use it for his opportunity and he was also very much an active participant in each relationship falling apart. They all work well together because they all motive each other in different ways and need each other for different but equal reasons. ​@cutienerdgirl
@patmcconnell9956
@patmcconnell9956 5 ай бұрын
@@cutienerdgirl “kindest person in the film” please the guy left his DATE mid conversation to flirt with his ex like bffr. + that egotistical lack of modesty with him thinking he could claim the tournament prize money in advance before it even started….explain to me how that’s kind and not at all icky or toxic. Patrick’s a selfish narcissist….He’s just honest about it. But I refuse to believe that if these characters were IRL, that you’d genuinely support or find Patrick to be the kindest, least toxic. I need yall Art haters to realize that his ONE toxic act was try to break up their own toxic relationship at the AGE OF 19. Patrick was in his THIRTIES, and willfully being this homeless, home-wrecking mess (and you can blame that on Art ruining their friendship and pushing him away from him and Tashi if you want but it’d be delusional to think he isn’t accountable at all for any of his actions). Art was the only actual adult out of the 3 that wanted to be a loving parent and husband while Patrick was just an immature horndog the whole movie. I can’t take any of these kinds of pro-Patrick, anti-Art takes at face value because of how unserious and out of touch with reality the Patrick vs. Art comparison really is.
@cutienerdgirl
@cutienerdgirl 5 ай бұрын
​​@@patmcconnell9956That was a first date. You cannot compare stopping to talk to someone in the middle of a first date with a stranger to *SABOTAGING AND ABANDONING YOUR BEST FRIEND!* What did Patrick really do to Art and Tashi to receive their wrath? You can say he slept with Tashi while she was with Art, but that was after Art tried to sow seeds of doubt in Patrick and Tashi's relationship and completely stopped talking to him to get with Tashi. Also, it takes two to tango. Tashi bares most, if not all, the responsibility for the affair. Art needs to take some of his anger out on his wife for her infidelity and threatening to leave him if he quits tennis. Secondly, Art being 19 years old when he betrayed his best friend doesn't absolve him of anything, especially since he's still acting like he did nothing wrong 13 years later. Third, it isn't toxic to live in your car for 13 years instead of running back to your parents. Art being supposedly being a "loving father" to Lily (we never even see them interact in the movie) doesn't make him better than Patrick because he's a horndog. People without kids aren't any less respectable than people with kids. Lastly, Patrick didn't deserve to be slapped, spit on, and told he "has a better shot putting a gun to his mouth" instead of succeeding in tennis. In summary, Patrick sleeping with Tashi while she was taken is better than Tashi verbally degrading & threatening her husband and Art sabotaging the relationship of his best friend.
@IVNHYPRFNK
@IVNHYPRFNK 5 ай бұрын
They all win in the end
@Courttttt-np3vc
@Courttttt-np3vc 11 күн бұрын
In the end, Art got his mojo back, Patrick got his way back into the threesome, and my girl Tasha? She got to see some good fucking tennis. Lol
@PhilipManzano
@PhilipManzano 11 күн бұрын
Haha after rewatching this a couple more times, I must admit, I actually ended up loving this ending.
@ethanradd
@ethanradd 5 ай бұрын
At first I hated Art, by the end he was the only character I liked.
@namjoonswife3300
@namjoonswife3300 5 ай бұрын
YASSSSSSS LETSSSS GOOO🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
@LovedByYou
@LovedByYou 5 ай бұрын
She must’ve really stayed off the internet, because she truly had NO clue what was going on… literally how?!?
@taylormade9748
@taylormade9748 22 күн бұрын
This movie speaks to me
@stanizone2612
@stanizone2612 5 ай бұрын
27:07 i think tashi lost her scholarship after her injury
@jessbailey5178
@jessbailey5178 5 ай бұрын
I feel like you guys were splendid at spotting the roadsigns up ahead regarding plot, really observant and on it. But truly, the outcome of the match doesn't matter really, does it? it's not a film about tennis, tennis is the backdrop for the interplay between these characters, all of whom are as irredeemable and messed up as each other, who need each other desperately. I saw someone describe a love triangle as a shape where all corners need to meet and to me, this achieves that in great fashion. my film of the year. also, Zen-'day'-a. Just before the fans come to shout it at you lol. also, you must not be aware of a certain T Holland simulating gay sex in his show 'the crowded room' - actors gonna act! Great reaction!
@reamdelrey
@reamdelrey 5 ай бұрын
Your reaction to Art and Patrick kissing was a little sus, I really hope you guys are not homophobic, I love you guys. ❤
@PhilipManzano
@PhilipManzano 5 ай бұрын
Can totally see where you’re coming from - but if you watch any of our Euphoria reactions, you’ll see we react basically the same way with any extended sex scenes. Just kinda makes us uncomfortable haha. Call us prudes, I guess 😅
@reamdelrey
@reamdelrey 5 ай бұрын
@@PhilipManzano I love you guys so much, you are my favorite reaction channel, I love your energy and I’m obsessed with Phil’s smile. I totally understand. And happy pride month ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
@KnightEntertainmentNetwork_
@KnightEntertainmentNetwork_ 5 ай бұрын
Yeaaaa I didn’t like that reaction to it either. Made me lose interest in the reaction honestly lol Felt we were a little beyond that at this point lol
@reamdelrey
@reamdelrey 5 ай бұрын
@@KnightEntertainmentNetwork_ my mind was blown away at Art and Patrick’s kissing scene and I actually wanted more of them ❤️‍🔥, and I thought everyone will have the same reaction as me. Lol
@PhilipManzano
@PhilipManzano 5 ай бұрын
So, not coming from a defensive place at all - more of ignorance, really and a place of trying to better understand: What in our reaction to that scene did you find that put you off? I watched it back several times.. and honestly, I don’t get it? It didn’t seem like a strong reaction one way or another. But maybe we gave off something I’m not seeing. Let me know. Always interested in finding ways to be better.
@cutienerdgirl
@cutienerdgirl 5 ай бұрын
I honestly wonder why Art didn't confront Tashi and Patrick when he caught them cheating in Atlanta. 😦
@nataliajimenez1870
@nataliajimenez1870 5 ай бұрын
Because he makes sure "to win the points that matter". He knew if he confronted her she would break their engagement. So he didn't say anything about the cheating but won by marrying her and having a kid with her
@reamdelrey
@reamdelrey 5 ай бұрын
Art is the sneak
@Tez.92
@Tez.92 5 ай бұрын
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