Challenging

EMCproductions vs The Duallist, who will win!?
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After Stephen Taylor and I showed off our skills on the Duallist D4 pedal, Eric form ‪@EMCproductions‬ decided he wanted to give it a shot. If ANYONE could figure this pedal out quickly, it would be him! So I hopped onto Drumeo and found 2 beginner double bass exercises. The First, by Ash Pearson, on playing the rhythmic pyramid on your feet (or foot in our case), and the 2nd, by Alex Rudinger, on double bass fills. I thought these 2 lessons covered the basics you would need to know to start playing double bass and was a good challenge for Eric to play
If you haven't heard of the Duallist D4 pedal, it works like a normal bass pedal BUT theres an extra beater that plays on the up-stroke when lifting off the footboard. It DEFINITELY takes some getting used to! From my short time playing on it I don't think we will be replacing out double bass pedals anytime soon...
I Challenged EMCproductions to Play Beginner Double Bass Exercises on the DUALLIST

[@rdavidr]

If this video gets 10,000 likes I'll get a real metal drummer to play the Duallist 😈

[@joeroe2622]

Nice

[@maggot4582]

(sic)

[@guestivity2063]

why not ask 66Samus

[@yetixcoreRVA]

oh yurrr

[@SpookyMcGhee]

@@guestivity2063 bahee

[@EMCproductions]

Well...if you ignore all the parts where I screw up, I'd say this turned out perfectly!

[@connerhannon]

Hahaha yes!

[@gustavocaceres5728]

That’s your One mistake for the month

[@komradenikolai]

Dude, if you check this out, here's TRUE QUAD BASS kzbin.info2Sor-Z7kYIo?feature=share

[@footsoljier6468]

What screw ups?

[@alinpass2246]

Helpful tip with these pedals: do not use manufacturers settings! That left beater must be adjusted, among things. Also found that adjusting where your foot is on the pedal will make different speeds easier

[@SeanD313]

This, 100%! Out-of-the-box the settings need a bunch of tweaking. And when he starts sliding his foot back on the footboard ( at about 2:45 ), things smooth-out quite a bit... for a few seconds, anyway!

[@komradenikolai]

Facts. I use 2 in a Quad Bass setup and I had to adjust from factory settings to get good sound. Here's a video for an example kzbin.info2Sor-Z7kYIo?feature=share

[@RedDogMamaHD]

It's great to see collab videos with you and Eric! Keep 'em coming! Good thing you live relatively close together!

[@connerhannon]

Yuh huh!! Nuh uh? Yuh huh!!!

[@nelldogcf]

@66Samus should be the final boss for this pedal

[@CyberneticHusky]

Props to the dualists sales team they make it look so easy and natural

[@anthonymartin5662]

Yea...I agree. I play drums myself amd this pedal looks like it onky has one speed to be effective but even then..not what u would use or want to play effective "double bass" at interrupted intervals and such. My opinion is...garbage 🗑

[@_-_Michael_-_]

Well I think sales of this will finaly go to zero now and they could finaly design and start selling something useful after all those years.

[@tristancary]

Nothing is more frustrating then watching Dualist videos.

[@rdavidr]

imagine PLAYING it haha

[@tristancary]

Please no.

[@MattButzen]

You and EMC are a really entertaining combination

[@BirthquakeRecords]

*I have an idea on how to dramatically improve this pedal!!* I’d love to see you test this modification idea out An analogy first: Have you ever ridden a bike with toe cages in the pedals? It’s scary at first because your feet are kinda strapped to the pedals - but once you get used to it (and get used to quickly taking your foot out of the pedal just in case you need to catch yourself during a fall or whatever) you realize it’s a wayyyy more efficient and faster and better-controlled way of riding a bike. Because you’re not relying entirely on the downward force from your legs applied to the pedals - you can LIFT the pedals with your toes now - meaning you can make use of a whole new set of muscles, redistribute the strain around your body, and have power and control with both legs at all times. I feel like a drummer’s kick pedal which has functionality on the upstroke should have a toe strap or clip or basket or something which gives you the ability to physically and intentionally lift the pedal instead of relying on the springs. I feel like this would let you control the timing and attack and all the other little nuances that the dualist is normally bad at reproducing. You should try adding a little adjustable Velcro strap to the toe of this pedal! Or something like that? Maybe try looking up various bike pedal clips/baskets/cages for inspiration? Or hell, you can probably buy a bike pedal toe accessory and literally attach it to this drum pedal! That could be cool too, and maybe even the most functional and adjustable way to go. I’d watch the shit out of that video.

[@rodneysnextchapter615]

Sounds like you have your own invention, erase this message and make that money.

[@BirthquakeRecords]

@@rodneysnextchapter615 I’ve got a lot better ideas than this one, the world can have this one for free 😄

[@gregwonhoff7161]

I loved this episode. Thanks for sharing it.

[@DimitriFantini]

I'm actually impressed, the pedal did more than I thought it would!

[@Chicagosmisfit]

i always wanted this pedal!! then i seen how it ACTUALLY worked!😅. I ended up learning the heel toe technique which became my bread and butter!

[@lettysharp578]

Great video as always!

[@user-ur4kv1yh7q]

Thank you for your help. I'll do my best!😀

[@jeffsumpman9813]

This should be called an exercise in futility. Great job, better you than me.

[@noahhamilton1738]

you should do a video where you take a ton of the drums in your arsenal and build a monster drum kit

[@OCNorton]

LOL that was awesome and looks like a struggle for sure. I am in the Fredricksburg area and would love to come visit sometime to check out your studio and learn from you.

[@shiznatz1]

Since there doesn't seem to be any power behind the second pedal, maybe this would work better on an electronic kick or a trigger?

[@offtherecord681]

I wonder can the people behind the Dualist actually play the pedal itself🤔

[@explosavemaster7524]

i never thought of using th crash of doom as a ride this works so much better than it does as a crash tho i recon

[@antoniosanches]

I think you should increase the spring tension, it could make it more responsive on high speeds and give more control on slow speeds, all the time it feels like he is fighting against the pedal. Would be nice to know how it works on higher tension, I really would like to try these 😎

[@shadow105720]

Seems like the tension is pretty high already. The beaters are responding pretty quickly to the foot, just that there's one going the opposite way. The slowness of the second beater seems to be from trying to catch the first beater on the way back.

[@abdi9437]

@@shadow105720 the tension isn't high at all, look at the spring, it's loose

[@rdavidr]

keep in mind that there are springs on each side that work together. So while it definitely can be tighter, its still pretttty tight.

[@pana_fresco266]

Hey david I think I have the solution for this pedal. The main problem I see with the duallist is that you only have control on the "up strokes" (when in order to move the beater you have to move your feet upward) if you go faster. If you had some sort of grip that kept your feet attached to the pedal, I suppose it would be really helpful at slower speeds at least. I suggest you to try some bike pedal straps (the belcro ones). Hope it works! Greetings from Argentina!

[@hoochrocks]

You know you have to get two dualist pedals now, and play them on two bass drums.

[@Bluem00n7]

Be great to get the guys who make this to do a collab vid

[@TheStudioDrummer]

ha producer David is like "12/8 - now, with more more feeling!!"

[@Facundoviscarra34]

Morgan Agren PLEASE give us a masterclass!!

[@just4thevids]

Notice when your toe is lower on the peddle . Your action is smoother . Maybe torque the left beater spring ?

[@rdavidr]

There seems to be a different sweet spot depending on the tempo. I messed with the tension and all and it was still difficult to play.

[@pnsmexico]

i wonder what JoJo Mayer will think of this pedal

[@jaybeyer9980]

You guys need to take this comedy show on the road! 😀As for me I'll stick to a double pedal 😀

[@ToomanyFrancis]

It seems to me like you need to adjust the upstroke beater forward so that it has a more powerful and defined stroke.

[@nickcarter4006]

This is like what an alien would think double kick should sound like

[@brandonfeeley514]

We now need a switch pedals. Go from this to a regular double and see how well they play regular compared to this

[@Non-TypicalDrummer]

Usually love your videos, but watching that pedal being "played" is making my anxiety go up!

[@RickStolz]

Next time Alex Rudinger playing Whitechapel or Chris Adler playing Lamb of God. 😆

[@diegogallardo8604]

The 32nd notes sounded like the corvette muffler at the beginning of Van Halen’s Hot For Teacher… LOL

[@RedDogMamaHD]

Or like a Harley Shovelhead!

[@ericktorres6084]

David I am trying to turn my floor tom into a floating floor tom what should I do

[@stevenstarnes5261]

So rdavidr when we hang out guess i should bring my own double pedal. ?

[@GillBoldberg]

The Lars pedal returns!

[@imacashew.]

I think you have to burry the beater so you get the most rebound when lifting your foot

[@michaelkelly1251]

I'm liking having my question answered really quick. Because if I am right mostly all you can do is rolls. trick double beats are out! It looks logical and is but anything off the path of that. Do a drummer a favor and like this video...LOL

[@thedude7726]

I got one of these when they first came out and hated it and never played it. I sold it a few years ago

[@RArecordingsRickValcon]

would a weight on the left beater work?

[@lastditch727]

Wil Calhoun used these pedals pretty regularly.

[@SeanD313]

And did some really cool things with it!

[@AndrewDeer1]

oh wow this is the first time me realizing you are actually two different people

[@JYL_DRUM_LAB]

2:04 I was looking at SpongeBob's face and laughed here without realizing it.

[@imkingofmymind1]

First time I saw one of these in action. Yeah, I'll just try to get better with using a 2 foot pedal..

[@austinwhited9301]

Would love to see a colab with drum beats online!

[@stickyfingaz1502]

That double kick chopper beat watch ye should have a double bass the angle of the left foot will dislocated.... I had that happen on the 1st napalm death world tour in 1990....

[@dogwater5097]

Anyone know the ride cymbal their using?

[@drumdude68]

Awesome

[@furiousgeorge4533]

They should have a strap on the foot board to be able to control the second stroke since in David’s video he said something about not being able to control the up stroke

[@kzarnold3678]

Good times

[@Limbo_Pimp]

David you need to play a pdp kit then a sonor kit

[@isihernandez9752]

Regarding this thing of "one-footed double pedals", I think a Sonor one is more interesting. The second beater was actioned with a heel plate while the main beater is controlled with the main foot board, so you can control what you play exactly like a conventional pedal except that heel-toe technique means literally heel-toe (there's some video by there of a guy using two of those with two bass drums and it's.... well, fast. I never tried one of those, but they are Sonor Giant Steps, wich it's their top line pedals, so I guess quality shouldn't be a concern. However they don't make it any more... go figure why... 🤔🤣. (If Rdavidr could ever put their hands... or feet, on one of those, it would be interesting). By the way, those things are cool as a curiosity/experiment, but I still prefer the good old conventional double pedals/bass drums.

[@stickyfingaz1502]

My father is Louise r'guyle from van hailen.... when I was in dippers dude drum master of infentent....

[@TheMilford]

You need to get Samus to try it.

[@Skateboardisart]

quad triple bass petal?

[@stickyfingaz1502]

Ya was wondering how I was changing the tone of my floor bass drum it was with the double kick.... applying presser to create tension on the skin that will change the tone I have it down to a fine science I am a mathiation.... p.s this is Scott raynor from blink 182 the man that taught Travis Barker to do that there.... I was also the drummer in napalm death back in the I.e when the band 2as only 2 people back in 1989....

[@rdavidr]

When can we expect an Onyx/ Napalm Death collab?

[@BADD400]

I saw where there is 4 beaters on one pedal

[@Trevonsmusic]

Adjust the beater so you can get more power

[@bigberd3680]

Notification gang

[@keepthemetalflowing]

I'm not saying this pedal doesn't have its uses, and certainly, for someone like me who loves extreme metal, I could see the value in it. The issue is this: with a single pedal or a double pedal, each pedal is still an individual mechanism. Truly the only thing that holds you back from being a one-footed John Bonham or a two-footed George Kollias is your foot/feet themselves. The pedals will respond. With this pedal, you have, at least from what I'm seeing here and in other videos, no control over that second beater, unless you disable it. You lose the ability to do quick doubles, or triplets with one foot cause you immediately have that second beater come into play. I know there are metal drummers who have used these and I've seen older videos of guys in metal ripping it up. These things are a mechanism only. I think, and maybe I'm wrong, but it'd be easier to learn double kick using a double pedal or two single pedals that way you maintain some control. And yes, before anyone in the comments goes ballistic on me: I know you can slide the pedal over to disable the second beater but who has time for that if you're in the middle of a show or, even worse a recording session. I think metal drummers who have developed their foot speed and chops wouldn't need something like this. And for players in other genres, like rock or fusion, you might get it to work just fine but you must learn how to operate the mechanism, which is a whole new set of skills. Rather than working on your footwork, singly or doubly, which to me is always more important.

[@THECAPTAINCAKEZ]

I’d say what you should consider here is the accessibility of this pedal. Amputees and stroke victims with limited to no control of one side of the body may be barred from jamming with the music they love due to being physically limited. This pedal can act as a tool to grant accessibility into metal for the disabled. As an able bodied drummer this pedal seems like a gimmick to me, but I can imagine the value it provides to certain groups.

[@keepthemetalflowing]

@@THECAPTAINCAKEZ I agree, but I could not think of every possible reason for someone to own one of them. And yes, you're right: someone who has had an autopsy of some sort or a stroke or whatever could use a pedal like this to great advantage. My point was for those of us who play with all for limbs in tact. But your point is a good and well noted, thank you.

[@yetixcoreRVA]

good morning to everything but the dualist.

[@pearlguy6351]

I think the pedal has its limitations as far as how fast you can play definitely looks a lot more difficult than it looks

[@shaneadler]

Would love to learn this pedal ♥️ if you could send me😬

[@Erakko-]

All the more reason to use the actual double pedals.

[@willumcarc.3820]

I think if you strap it to your foot you might be able to get more power

[@jglasernyc]

With a double bass drum pedal or double bass drums, I don't understand the reason for this pedal.

[@justinnaramor6050]

Sorry if my reply does get rather long. But have you not thought about the fact that the dualist pedal, or anything else like it, actually leaves your other foot free to control the hi-hat pedal, for example? This is why the entire concept of "double pedals" is, actually, rather flawed... they completely take away this type of control by design. This is actually why I've really disliked the idea of double bass drum pedals ever since I heard of it. Or, what if you have a foot-operated tambourine or shaker or something like that? You could use that while playing a dual-beater bass drum pedal, while still using the snare drum and tom-toms and cymbals and so on. Point is, you're not occupying literally both of your feet in the task of double bass drumming parts... one of your feet is completely free to do whatever else you want it to do. Taking this a step further, this same concept could be amazing for anyone who performs as a one-man band. Say you have a drum kit which is entirely operated by foot pedals. This frees up both your hands for playing piano, for example (I play piano, so I'm looking at it from that perspective). If the pedal for the bass drum were to control 2 independent beaters, that would still free up your other foot for the snare drum or cymbals or anything else. Going even further, this idea could be applied to the entire drum kit; 2 strikers for every piece of the kit. That opens up the ability to play double strokes on the bass drum and snare drum at the same time, for instance.

[@LeakyJAZZ]

here's an idea. strap the toe to the pedal. that way you can lift up with force.

[@BigJackGameplays]

I can't stop imagining a teenager in the early 2000s getting one of these, try to play it, fail miserably, and think he sucks, and maybe even giving up on drums.

[@dabush33]

You just can't hide your affection to that product, don't you?

[@adrianc7055]

noice

[@stickyfingaz1502]

I am the fasted percussionist in the word dude....

[@sogent56]

Practice fellas

[@ajmpatriot4899]

I think this pedal is meant to be used just like the heal-toe pedal method, which doesn’t produce fast double bass. It’s a heal-toe pedal only. Try it that way

[@reubenk7331]

Wow, playing the scrambled ekit seems like it was a lot easier than this.

[@James-wf8nu]

This seems pretty cool - while you can play 2 consecutive notes in a row with toe-heel on a regular pedal, I was never able to get more than 2 notes in a row. That being said, this pedal sounds kinda weak

[@stevenraparelli3396]

I messed around on a dualist many years ago in a drum shop and determined it was crap! No short cuts for shredding, just practice.

[@robinjensen3672]

You can't use this crap to judge the Dualist...I like it and I'm sure it will work great if you goes all in to learn it... 😊

[@SeanD313]

Said it on the other vid, and I'll say it again here... this thing is pretty useless for double bass playing, BUT it's really useful for percussionists! Once the settings get sorted (as they're garbage when you first get it) it works REALLY well for playing mounted tambourine, cowbell, blocks, etc, while your hands are doing other things. Being able to do multiple things at once ups your value to a band, and most importantly, KEEPS THE TAMBOURINE/COWBELL OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE SINGER!

[@camthesooner123]

The dualist pedals the “slave” doesn’t strike hard at all,

[@SeanNH94]

That Sallant logo on dude's hoodie looks like a parody of the symbol for Islam ☪️ 😳

[@thatweirdmusician5539]

Imagine if Aron from infant annihilator used a duelist on one bass drum and another duelist on another bass drum. Make his 330 bpm 660🤣

[@jimiufo3634]

Dualist is good..i dont see why..this paddle i can play well..

[@SPINNINGMYWHEELS777]

counter intuitive anyone? 😎

[@RonaldRumRaisin]

Crummy-o

[@Musiknird]

Way too recognisable the first day behind the drums. My brain had it right but the hands and feet didn't.

[@mattnieri1202]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Officialshayne]

Bonham didn't need the Duallist

[@lodougherty]

I don't think anyone knows how to use this pedal well. lol

[@alexoday5224]

secretly exposing the duallist for the over-priced toy it actually is.

[@flapjack413]

I'm just going to say what I think. This pedal is a stupid gimmick. Save your money and buy a double pedal up front, rather than waste your time with this, then have to go buy a double pedal. I get the feeling that it's supposed to be like an easy cheat for single kick players to do double stuff, but it seems like WAY more work to play this well. Not to mention, the left beater seems incapable of hitting hard enough to produce a good transient from the drum. Dumb, just dumb. Sorry. Entertaining video regardless though, David.

[@chriskiefer7493]

Settle down, Beavis! Hahaha jk. It's a dumb pedal.

[@justinnaramor6050]

Anything like this is only "dumb" if it offers no real advantages over the "tried and true" double pedals. Come on, think about this critically before you criticize. The core idea, that is, having two drum beaters controlled by one pedal (and even just the core idea of performing double bass drumming with one foot), is actually worth considering because it has advantages. Anyone who really takes the time to think about this would understand. I rather say that if the dualist pedal is "dumb", it's not the core idea that's "dumb", rather it's how the dualist executes the idea that's "dumb". It can be seen that the dualist literally uses the upstroke of the pedal (that is, when you lift your foot upward) to activate that second beater. I think you can already see how problematic this is especially for those drummers who are already used to conventional pedals, whereby a beater hits the drum only on the downward motion of the foot. It's pretty clear that the drummer in this video was sort of struggling to play the pedal, likely for this very reason; you pretty much have to throw everything you know about playing normal bass drum pedals out the window when using that pedal.

[@dr4d1s]

Why does this guy look like he has never played a drumset before?

[@RedDogMamaHD]

EMCproductions is more from the Marching community. Spent 4 years playing Tenors and other percussion, including drumset with The Commandant's Own, U.S. Marines Drum and Bugle Corps. You should check out his channel. He's currently at 192K subscribers. He's done a few collab videos with rdavidr!

[@dr4d1s]

@@RedDogMamaHD Thanks for the explanation, it makes sense now.

[@ImSueeb]

I miss old rdavidr :/

[@connerhannon]

Shut up

[@krusher74]

99% of these bought have come straight in the cupboard, yep that shit dont work.

[@Rhythmic1]

No thanks!

[@stevolene]

Junk

[@doknox]

Well this pedal sucks! You gotta learn how to play all over again! Lol

[@Rockin_Ross]

Nice idea in theory, worthless in practicality. After 30+ year of playing standard pedals, I’m not about to try and relearn for this thing. Certainly not at that price.🙄

[@SpookyMcGhee]

I tried one of these and honestly I couldn't stand it. I use two kick drums with regular pedals and even some double pedals feel strange to me, but that's not a debate I feel is necessary as it's all personal preference. But this duallist pedal thing, it's just weird and seems like a novelty or a niche thing especially since it seems like the usual techniques we all know and practice don't work with it...

[@ZeBubba]

What a useless piece of junk. Can't come up with one thing this would be useful in. You guys are brave playing this publicly!