ChampTalk: Trail Braking

[@maximilliancunningham6091]

Nick, I've been trail breaking, and practicing. TODAY July 8th, it really paid off, into a semi blind corner, and a near stationary traffic jam. 😊 Yam R1 rider, with 30 yrs sports riding experience. ❤

[@jdelv86]

One of Nicks best 10 minutes of instruction right there. Packs a lot in there. You owe it to yourself to take something at YCRS and get the full story.

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

Thanks!

[@crankerson]

This is the best explanation of why you should trail brake.

[@David..]

Learned to trail brake a week after getting my endorsement after doing a ton of practice in the parking lot on emergency braking to get rid of the innate response of snatching the brakes in unexpected scenarios. Coming from a road cycling and racing background it was a bit easier since countersteering, body positioning, looking through corners, and being gradual with brakes and body positioning on two wheels was already drilled into me. I recall my first ride in the real twisties and being amazed that anyone would be so reckless as to ride these technical roads without trail braking, surely you could do it but seems way riskier betting that you nailed the entry speed with a narrow margin vs having complete control going through corners. Looking forward to doing Champs School in 2023.

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

We would love to have you.

[@ismailraja8734]

❤ Tyre pressure is very important for Good braking

[@OffGridMadMan]

I don't know how they'd do it but trail braking should be covered and taught before you get your road license. It gives you so much more control however you ride on the street 👍👍👍

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

#truth

[@ItsSaiyan]

Facts

[@jeffuryca]

I remember watching Nick ride at Willow back in the day on a 250 when I used to race WSMC events.. Trust me. The dude is lightning fast.

[@zacharygaza4647]

Fantastic explanation on trail braking. I also like that it's concise and to the point.

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

Thanks for watching!

[@a124as]

Makes so much sense! Quick and concise. Thank you

[@Krosis_]

So concise it takes 3 minutes to start talking about trail breaking

[@bowzerdude5646]

Just got the sport riding techniques book it's great! 🙂

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

Thank you for showing interest in advancing your riding. We hope to see you at the school some day. Stay tuned for more ChampTalk.

[@ssaUid5562]

What is trial cluch

[@mad2xraven]

I have a question. Always confused by this especially riding on the street. Do you completely close the throttle when trail braking or have some throttle and trail brake at the same time?

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

We never use the brakes to slow the motorcycle and the throttle at the same time. The throttle is completely closed.

[@mad2xraven]

@@Ridelikeachampionycrs thanks

[@beepbop6697]

My bike's ECU (and likely every new bike that has to conform to modern emission standards) has a fuel deceleration cutoff "feature": meaning that the fuel injectors are shut off completely when decelerating with closed throttle (engine is effectively off with zero fuel flow). Getting back on the throttle mid-corner has a very noticeable delay/jerkiness as the engine is refired after being off. There are ECU reflash services available for my ECU that will disable the decel fuel cut "feature", but all those reflash services say that they are for track use only and are not street legal. Given all this: is a tiny bit of throttle ok while trail braking, just for the sole purpose to avoid the decel fuel cutoff? Would be interested to hear y'all's thoughts on that!

[@alixvandurand]

@@beepbop6697 Put a Power Commander on it. Go into the fuel map, for 0% throttle in all RPM range put any number between 5-10. Personally, I put 10 above 8000rpm so the engine decel isn't quite so intense, seems to work quite well for me. This is on a CBR600RR

[@demzunoplayer]

Super explanation.

[@mnnic4292]

Clearly explained, thanks

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

Thanks!

[@Americanpatriot68]

Awesome instruction. Thank you.

[@DrewOnTwo304]

I'm still a new rider, my boss (who has been riding sport bikes all his life) tells me trail breaking should be done only with the rear break. All the info I can find on it says it should be the front break. To me the science in why the front break is better makes more sense.

[@Roy_Godiksen]

He (your boss) is not talking about trail breaking. That's to position/point the bike into the corner. You can see the MotoGP guys do that too (to an extreme level). However this is not at all the same thing.

[@craigcourtney4209]

Andrew using a little bit of rear brake whilst at lean helps pull the bike over a bit more , as the bike slows it naturally pulls the bike over as the speed decreases that makes the turn radius tighter , once you are off the front brake at lean the forks have rebounded back to normal ride height and when you start to use it the front in that scenario it wants to stand the bike up , so to counter that effect you need to add more effort to counter steer to help hold the bike at lean, if you find that the corner is tightening on you a little rear brake works well but practice to get a light touch is needed

[@richbrett7268]

​@craigcourtney4209, nice reply. I agree. I've been playing with these ideas/ styles on my road motorcycle and today on my mountain bike (mtb) its amazing how much we feather both or either brake depending on the corner.. its good to become conscious of the attitude of the bike under different conditions of brake applications.. many years experience on both recreations and still learning and thinking. My search on you tube today was quick steer vs trail braking.😮

[@MrNSXluvr]

Awesome video. Just signed up for October class I’m excited. 👍

[@CanyonChasers]

First! 👍 Awesome video!

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

Thanks man! Big fans of your videos as well. Let's do one together soon. Be great to have Nick on yours.

[@VState60]

@@Ridelikeachampionycrs Fucking. Do. This--^^

[@tremolony4924]

Learnt Trailbraking on my kmart hard tail

[@DebarshiBiswas]

Having been riding for a couple of years now, this is one skill I want to learn. Feel like my skill as a rider is stuck and I can’t get better at riding.

[@SBarbati]

Hey these guys just released an online course. You should definitely have a look on their website.

[@dustinpollard6237]

How many bikes have you ridden? Maybe a different series or style of bike would help? If you have the money grab another bike, or trade in what you have on a dual sport, an older bike without controls, or something you like. Especially if you have something with all of the electronics that have traction control and different modes, be safe but try something that is just you, the throttle, the gears, and the brakes and you will learn more than you can imagine. Stick with it, i have 30 years but off and on, not consecutively and until i started watching youtube motorcycle videos i really didn't know much even though i followed many basic principles of safety and efficiency. This is a treasure trove of information. Good luck!!

[@michass.1895]

What about throttle control when entering corner and leaning bike? I am talking about first half of the corner. Should throttle be completely closed or should it be opened a little bit to make everything smoother? I heard that some of guys enter corners and lean bike with slightly opened throttle and never close it while (trail)braking. It confuses me although.

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

We never use the brakes and throttle at the same time. It sends mixed messages to the motorcycle.

[@michass.1895]

@@Ridelikeachampionycrs thank you!

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

No worries. Subscribe to our channels and come to the school to change your riding life.

[@jsprite123]

@@Ridelikeachampionycrs Hi there, I've seen some videos and read on some motorcycle books about "maintenance throttle" while going into a corner. I'm confused as to how does this relate to trail braking and using either throttle or brake but not both.

[@RideFree317]

@@jsprite123 trail braking is an advanced technique. For normal riding into a corner you would slow or brake for corner then lean in and apply just enough throttle to maintain your speed and lean angle . If you slow during the corner it will tighten your corner radius . They have other videos on their channel that will explain it better.

[@yassim0008]

This made me want to go to the class. Saw the price and I’ll get there one day. I know it will make me better

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

Our ChampStreet program is only $495 at most locations for 1 day class.

[@yassim0008]

Awesome. I saw the 2 day class in Jersey for 2k plus. That price you shared is encouraging

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

Check out the events here labeled #street ridelikeachampion.com/schedule/

[@yassim0008]

@@Ridelikeachampionycrs thank you

[@GDLOTKIDOG]

That was a great lesson. thanks guys

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

Thank you!

[@thomassylvestro9041]

Love your Videos. I ride an R3, which has a ton of engine braking. I am trying to learn trail braking (street only at this time) I just read one of your replies to a question about throttle while trail braking. You said never the two at the same time. With that being said, I should enter a corner trail braking with engine braking at the same time. No throttle until I see the exit and gently roll off the brake and easy on to the throttle. if this is correct please share your thoughts with engine breaking on a R3. Thank you

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

Hi - The although engine braking is a method for slowing down, it's not effective or adjustable. You just have on or off. The brake lever on the other hand is very adjustable and effective. We recommend using the brake lever, even if its only getting pads to rotors, say 1% pressure, over only relying on engine braking. The engine is much better at making the motorcycle go than stop.

[@VState60]

Perfect response from the Champ school-but I’ll just throw it out there-your R3 has nearly no engine braking. Take a liter bike to the red line and roll of in 1st gear and report back. Keep learning & growing!

[@NalinKhurb]

@@VState60 What you said is true but it's always subjective when people make such comments, so that's understandable

[@NickKaboom]

Came here from another video, love this view of the ride and explanation! What music track is this plz?!

[@JJ-nm8sh]

Great tip

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

Thanks!

[@sakthivelv1777]

Why is Trail braking not good for beginners? How is it for street riding? Logically I think it will make one safer rider as it will develop good braking habits. Thank you.

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

Yes....trail braking is good for beginners and street riders. 100%.

[@sakthivelv1777]

@@Ridelikeachampionycrs Thank you so much, take care.

[@danevans5937]

@@Ridelikeachampionycrs when trail braking; is the focus mainly on the front brake application or is the rear brake being applied simultaneously, under the same conditions as the front?

[@johannepiper6836]

Because noobies are stupid

[@williammahaffy4642]

@@johannepiper6836 Awesome!! Noobie rider here (have been off bikes for 30yrs for medical school and surgical practice) Still doing vascular surgery but needed some distraction after the past 18 months of unpleasantness. I'm such a dumbass... Thanks for your input.

[@farschadabolfathi]

Thank you

[@nyashnader1]

I thought we’re breaking almost close to the apex?

[@DaveGme]

Great content. New Sub. Bell rung. Thumb smashed.

[@positivelynegative9149]

It took me a long time to understand trail-braking... Because there seems to be so much confusion about it and it's apparently controversial, I thought it must be more complex than my understanding of it. I thought there must be something I wasn't getting. Now, I'm sure it is no more than what I initially thought, which, to me, seems pretty simple. I don't get what the big deal is. Why are people against it? Why do people struggle with it? 🤷‍♂️

[@armandomateus5103]

I think that some people are against it, just because they don't understand how it's correctly done: too many videos about trail braking showing we should be hard on the brakes until the apex like on MotoGP and right after, hard on the throttle... crazy!! And also many riding techniques, which are simple (even if requiring finess), are "sold" as a very complex matter that requires a thesis, so they can ruminate the subject and make many videos about a straight forward thing. The idea is to have a "product" to "sell".

[@positivelynegative9149]

@@armandomateus5103 👍

[@Charlesbjtown]

​@@armandomateus5103 Exactly this. Many of these guys make riding a motorcycle, a matter of nuclear science, with a bunch of complicated formulas for EVERYTHING.

[@paolomendioro1187]

What about on dirtbikes? Why are they saying that trail braking is taboo in dirtbikes? But then again, Jeremy McGrath is a trail braker!

[@mildyproductive9726]

What Kenny wrote in that book makes perfect sense. What people call "trail braking" today doesn't.

[@ArmyBikerVet]

Okay, I have to say this: It seems there is contradictions here. The voice over is saying leave the brake on while going into your tip - because releasing it will make the bike want to go straigh. Yet in the turns when he is hitting the front brake, he is going into his lean, but while in the lean, he releases the brake. My logic says the bike would want to go straight at that point if what he says is true about releasing the brake will make the bike want to go straight. That means you won't be going into the curve right

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

He's never "hitting" the front brake, but he does release the brake while in the corner ... Only after he is happy with his speed and direction!

[@bobby1ten]

I finally understand…

[@jeschuitema]

Please see my comment (James Schuitema) on “CanyonChasers” “part 2” video on specific elements of mixing the throttle and trail braking. I have paid for your online course and have yet to definitely (clearly) answer my question as I posed. Check it out and please advise and in the process illuminate us all on this important question. Thank you Champ School!

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

Whats the question?

[@jimmcmaster6227]

The guy riding didn’t even touch the brake lever in some corners. 🤔🤨🤷🏼‍♂️

[@murraehaynes3182]

👍

[@chi500ridah2]

Honestly guys that quote doesn’t describe trail braking. It more closely describes Simon Crafar & Keith Code’s method. I’m not sure why that isn’t clear?

[@AJpro88]

or get an mt07 and have the engine do all the braking for you lol

[@Ridelikeachampionycrs]

Engine braking is a form of slowing down, but it is unreliable and unadjustable. If you suddenly need more, you can't close the throttle any more than closed. If use the brakes or at least cover the brakes, you have a lot more options.

[@MapesT]

Holy crap no ones cares about the history or your friends in the community just speak of what the video is titled!!!!!!

[@mannyfel8324]

Somebody tell Chip to cover the brakes at all times please lol