Oko Outcome - Vintage | Channel LSV

[@codetaku]

Always nice to see the old turn 2 brainstorm scoop. Classic play that you'll almost only see in vintage :P

[@anonofyesterday4650]

At this rate Vintage will turn into Canadian Highlander without the whole point system in a couple years.

[@tristanyokom1542]

Smaller decks too

[@joshualo8226]

Rajdeep Tokhi I agree.

[@TheCalculoso]

It's kind of hard to tell by this video, but I'm pretty sure the opponent at 16:40 is both intelligent and EXTREMELY humble.

[@yansa361]

lol

[@sobman]

Hah. How was it playing against lsv?

[@nottoday9098]

@@sobman It was likely the greatest day of his life

[@tonyontilt3522]

I love getting to watch you play these decks. I also appreciate the informative commentary. Thanks LSV👍

[@dvlce_music]

Normally gameplay videos of uncut/ unedited games is super boring for me but this is awesome! Super informative and fun to watch.

[@sicebae4988]

i love vintage, so fun to play and watch

[@anonymously_yours]

nice black friday ad lmao

[@bryantan4228]

Deck’s real name is “Paradoxical Okome”

[@DarkRattlehead]

Ah, Outcome... probably too strong in Vintage, boring to play against, but feels so satisfying when the chain starts!

[@saphired02]

Like every other combo deck.

[@DarkRattlehead]

@@saphired02Sure but what I mean is it has a chance to fizzle and it can take a long time to win, unlike vault/key or something like that. It's not the worst in that category, I'll give you that (second sunrise can go to hell)

[@r2dezki]

Merry christmas to you too, LSV!

[@1420ify]

I love a good paradoxical outcome deck!

[@dnewt003]

Why not bring in Tormod's Crypt out of the board in match 1?

[@jameswhitcomb4773]

No tormod's against the vengevine deck? 🤔

[@headwrinkle9896]

Managorger Hydra in Vintage... What a world we live in

[@lordbattlefield]

I wonder which Outcome deck is better - with Mentor and Lavinia, or with Oko and Mana Gorger.

[@adawoo5494]

Often lsv seems to completely ignore the Tormod's crypts in his sideboard in a lot of matches. In the bazaar/survival matchup there were two instances where it was better than ravenous trap which he did side in on the draw (when going off, and in the third match where he remarked "ravenous trap does nothing here" (in preventing a vengevine)). Why even play the card if you don't even consider it in this matchup, especially when it's arguably better than another card you did play from the board?

[@adawoo5494]

I have two theories: one, lsv has a focus that "crypt is only anti-dredge" and missed it (after all, he never once mentioned it that match); two, lsv hates tormod's crypt but he is somehow being forced to play it and so he is pretending it doesn't exist for practice.

[@chemset475]

lsv + PO = thing of beauty

[@jtdrawoh4595]

Watching Vintage reminds me of Yu-Gi-Oh in terms of gameplay

[@jordanrutledge7943]

Heartbreaker to end it, but also a great match to watch

[@quintoncrewell8351]

Would playing mentor and citadel be outrageous in this deck in the current meta?

[@nicholaslangrock8293]

no treasure cruise in the deck?

[@sagridlocked2963]

This deck is almost enough to get me to buy into MODO vintage.

[@tyboar1926]

Idk when they added original art to the power 9, and also how badly I needed that. It looks WAYYYY better now.

[@edson.miranda92]

1:00:47 can someone explain why 6 cards were exiled?

[@princequincy5421]

Serum Powder yeeted their hand to the abyss in exchange for a free mulligan. Looks like they mulliganed into one.

[@jeffreypenkoff6178]

Outcome is a fair deck LOL I fucking love vintage

[@rd30000]

Man, I used to love opening managorger Hydra in origins draft

[@TheTURBO1112352]

Here Bc of Branon Sandersons updates

[@aldoarellanohernandez8265]

Another counterspell!!!!! arrgggg!!!!! -LSV

[@deskgo]

at 36 min if you turn one of the non opal moxen it also turns off opal

[@christopherlundgren1700]

Man, remember when Quirion Dryad used to be a thing?

[@RaibDarkin]

Yeah, I remember my friend winning a Black Lotus tournament with that deck.

[@goldcobraarima9819]

Can you explaine to me?

[@christopherlundgren1700]

There was a Vintage archetype of years past that this video reminded me of. Instead of Outcome it used Gush as a draw engine, and instead of cards like Managorger Hydra or Monastery Mentor you had Quirion Dryad. Pretty sure that was the deck that Steven Menendian won the Vintage Championship with. It just strikes me as kind of funny because of how much weaker the Dryad is compared to the cards available now, even though this feels like it has the spirit of that old deck.

[@LostprophetPL]

1080p doesn't even look 720p for me. Would love to be able to watch this in 4K or 1440p.

[@nicolasryal6666]

Man that position game 1 when you mentioned using hurkyls first it wouldve let you beat force if they didnt force the hurkyls because you wouldve been at 10 mana which is enough for outcome snap outcome

[@goldcobraarima9819]

Do you still play survival or only this turbo vine?

[@KnowArt]

what a lovely ridiculous format

[@zzafrica87]

great vid 10/10!

[@themris]

This may be a stupid question: is Vintage the most luck heavy competitive format? The powerlevel seems so nuts, that it seems being on the draw/having the right opening hand determines the winner instantly.

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

Not near as much as it seems. Decisions are vastly important - the perception of card power level itself has the potential to fool one into bad plays. A chain of events (several cards/decisions/interactions in a row) aren't necessarily as obvious to make as 'cast all Power 9 ASAP'. Keep-able hands are also extremely tricky based on what you're up against. Hope that helps.

[@carter9449]

does LSV explain anywhere why grapeshot is better than vault key?

[@TemporallyAnarchaic]

My primary guess is that it just doesn't have a good way to find both, not having black and all. Even if it did run Vault/Key, it would find them by going off exactly the same as it does for Grapeshot. At that point, Grapeshot is 1 card slot vs 2, and isn't susceptible to Mental Misstep and removal. The outs for it are just Flusterstorm and Mindbreak Trap, the latter of which happens to be easily Forced/Pyroblasted. It also has some minor utility in being able to kill little things (importantly Thalia and, with one other spell, Collector Ouphe). I don't play Vintage, but these are my guesses from a deckbuilding perspective.

[@trysephiroth007]

Its an out to Narset or Thalia so you can go off and you can flash it back with snap to win.

[@巨型刺蝟]

He explained it on stream. Basically he thought pure win cons are much worse than win cons that can help you without comboing. Grapeshot can kill disruption such as Narset or even some threat to buy you some time. vault key are basically dead w/o comboing.

[@goldcobraarima9819]

@@巨型刺蝟 and why no tendrills of agony?

[@Sirdarksalot]

first game against third match you should have hurkylls yourself so you could snap outcome

[@christopherarida8677]

I was thinking bolt snap bolt then go for it next turn with more mana

[@unknownfaction926]

Leave it to mtg to make one of the most broken cards in the game and through it force high level players to create weird af artifact creatures with "Food is green" written on them in rules text

[@mr45buster]

Alright, good beats.

[@tonyontilt3522]

Managorger hydra vintage & edh staple👌

[@alonelykouda]

just in time

[@ragnarokice0]

i am thinking to draw a card with top at their turn so you can have 1 more card draw with leno in play... i guess if they counter your top you lose the chance to spin... but well, nice games

[@samliveshere88]

so lsv I have to ask who's the greatest theif in the multiverse now? oko or dack

[@snipebeast]

Dack died on Ravnica so I suppose Oko by default 🤷‍♂️

[@hunngryento]

Oko because sadly Dack is dead.

[@JonaxII]

Funny to see my fave casual EDH beatstick being played in Vintage.

[@danw.1250]

Why is this deck not called PO'd Urza?

[@omologo95]

There's no Urza in it

[@SpitefulAZ]

Lol the only way I see Oko in action is in vintage!

[@movezig5]

You know WotC fucked up when their new chase mythic ends up in Vintage.

[@OfficalFooo]

Def supposed to elk the sapphire

[@seanhutt4621]

100% agree would of also temp shut off opal

[@goldcobraarima9819]

LSV pls play Dredge again! :))

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

Storm Entity just seems like a strict upgrade to Managorger Hydra.

[@adamwillis1810]

Another example of someone misusing the phrase 'strict upgrade'. The two cards are apples and oranges.

[@Kasamori]

It doesn't have trample, therefore it's way worse.

[@EulogyfortheAngels]

Adam Willis. Your response doesn’t actually refute or properly frame what I said. An upgrade is entirely dependent on context - in this case the card works slightly different but *can* and will yield the desired result that caused me to comment in the first place (your opponent dying to a low cost creature that eats spells for cash). I could downgrade ‘strict’ to ‘effective’. Notice how I said ‘seems’. That means everything that comes after is opinion not posited as fact *and* explicitly leaves the door open for response. Given that, your response reeks of ego - might wanna get that checked out.

[@milanmach2379]

Storm Entity is actually a worse Grapeshot rather than a worse Managorger Hydra in terms of play patterns despite their card types. Managorger is a decent t1 play in some matchups, it's a blocker, it allows you to frontload your mana investment which can convert some marginal losses into wins. Grapeshot is better because it doesn't get chumped, Maze'd, killed, it can get Snapcaster'd, and it has utility in killing Thalia, Collector Ouphe, Narset, and any random attacker in case you need to buy yourself a turn. Storm Entity doesn't get Flusterstorm'd but saving that for the Grapeshot is bad play anyways. Edit: Also, 'strict upgrade' could be misinterpreted as 'strictly better' which is a technical term that means two cards being identical except for a point of difference where the upgrade comes into effect. Entity and Hydra have different colors, creature types, and abilities so none is strictly better than the other. Strictly better actually doesn't take context into account which is why Lightning Bolt is strictly better than Shock even though it's worse against Deflecting Palm.

[@vy1585]

Another vintage oko deck (after oko oath of druids) where oko feels like the worst most unnecessary card.

[@alonelykouda]

667 whooo saved you lsv

[@benchad4333]

oko is the most overrated card. Every single game you had oko it was just worse than a cryptic. He was mostly pitched to force.

[@jafari6658]

Missed attach with elk second game

[@Reach_W]

No, the Elk was held back to trade off with a Vengevine. Oppo is the one trying to win through combat damage in that situation. If you attack in that situation and oppo carries out their plan, you traded 4 life for 3 against a beatdown deck. If opponent doesn't, you have to increase Storm count by three somewhere down the line, which isn't hard to do, but you do need to have a life total higher than 0 at that point. There's no situation where attacking with the Elk is correct there.