Chaos Legion (US) Speedrun (Hard)

[@RedGallardo]

Epic game. It deserves more love world-wide.

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

I've been wanting to ask, watch 1:43:34 Those tall guys can be easily dealt with CC even on hard mode, so why are you always busy jump slashing them? CC keeps launching them, then you can just keep attacking their knocked down bodies to refill soul at the same time I just spam CC everytime I reach that part, they are so easy

[@Deathtome.]

+Meracle Chamlotte I'm noob. :) I don't know. I must try it out. It's really nice to get some strat changes into play. Now I can probably beat the game much faster. 3:01:45 is another guy I have trouble with. Using CC works but costs a lot of soul. This is so interesting. I can improve so much. :D

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

+ウェブイュース検索 Actually, I tested the shield guy on stage 8 today, just jump slash it instead of normal sword combo. The jump slash is damaging enough, much better than sword combo coz you can retreat easier if you're jump slashing, just try it For avoiding the cannon fire, just make sure you do not return to the same place after your jump slash I see your problem is you always return to the same place, the place where you start your attack from Just keep jump slashing from left side of the screen to the right side I can even GZ counter him, I just tried, I get shot and enter the shield guy area from diagonal and 1 hit kill him but I think this is useless for your speedrun

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

Hello, I wanted to point out that 2:03:20, the target Jenon for this mission can be sniped to death right from the start, but don't move too far forward, I just did it. Only 1 spider got 1 hit on me Just move in gun mode so you don’t move too far, snipe the instant you can get to the position When you watch your screen, you won't be able to see that target Jenon but if you use Snipe mode, that target Jenon will show and can be sniped to death

[@Deathtome.]

+Meracle Chamlotte Nice! I will try it out once I get there! So I have completed normal on PC now and I had no issues with the 15 minute restriction on the controller. It seems to work until I close Chaos Legion, which is great. So I am expecting to release 1 or 2 episodes later today. I will do it from another account since I don't want to publish each episode separately. I will create a Playlist (that will be public for you to see on this channel). Just make sure to save it/follow the playlist so I can upload episodes for you. I will work on Stage 1 and maybe Stage 2 if I get good attempts. :) I will be reading all the tips/tricks from this page and try them out for when I run my segmented run. :D

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

+ウェブイュース検索 At 2:08:51 You launched EB and then tried to get up from Lie Down position, you shouldn't do this. You can launch an EB even from Lie Down position, so I usually do another EB right away as soon as I finish the first EB, that way I will remain invincible when the floating mines come. So while in the animation of the first EB, just keep mashing circle to perform another EB right away Arcia is vulnerable when she falls down after finishing the EB animation At the start, I usually do 2 EB when the shell opens. But I see that your snipe mode deals more damage so I guess it's not important haha There are lots of ways to get up from Lie down: 1.Press X 2.Press L1 3.Move forward 4.Move backwards 5.Energy Bullet(oops, this is not a way to get up, I just want to mention that while in Lie down, I can also launch Energy Bullet)

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

About stage 4 I found a route where you won't be detected by the flying spikes until you have to destroy the 4th Jenon Basically, what you do is go to the right, see the Jenon surrounded by lots of lasers, that's the one I'm talking about, find a safe spot which is the top left corner and keep attacking the laser cannon until your soul meter is full, then snipe mode the Jenon For the 2nd and 3rd Jenon, you can snipe safely, absolutely no flying spikes to interrupt you Once you reach the 4th Jenon, this is the hard part. If you can't enter from this side without getting game over, then consider going back all the way to reach it from the other side. You want for the 4 laser cannons to appear, so you can snipe at them and make the Jenon tired. Throughout your process of sniping the 4 laser cannons, the tall guy will have left the Jenon so you can kill the Jenon safely by either going in or snipe mode Since you can do stage 4 really fast, I guess this method doesn't help at all. It's just a safe method for me who absolutely won't bother with killing all the flying spikes

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

I'll watch this after finishing Arcia hard mode that I'm doing at the moment, almost finished with maxing her stats. I've watched this video before on twitch, so this is the old one. It really sucks to have to use Flawed for stage 6 and 7 I wonder if you can do it faster if you replay some stages Are you gonna do Arcia speedrun as well?

[@Deathtome.]

+Meracle Chamlotte This is actually the new run that I did recently (2 weeks ago I think). So here I actually never used Flawed in Stage 6 & 7. Strangely enough I did my usual Double Raid menu before Stage 6. I was just improvising since I am playing without notes. Weird. I think a 5M Exp Gem would be enough to get Double Raid Lv 4 from Lv 1. So that means I don't really need Flawed's Double Raid ability until the last boss. :) Will save me a lot of time actually. However, I played very poorly on Stage 7. So many mistakes when I look back at the run. I definetly need to improve this soon. As for Arcia runs, I don't think it's interesting enough for me to do. She's just all the same without any real strategies involved. It feels so easy with instant double jump and ranged shots. Maybe one day, who knows. ;) Fun Fact: This run was faster than my old PB by 1 second.

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

2:01:47 I wanted to point out that you don't need to double jump for getting to this high platform Hold the jump button "longer" in Strike mode, it is enough :)

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

I discovered something new, probably not new to you If you break a crest and go to the previous/next screen, your crest will be restored to the unbroken state

[@SiegFlockhart]

+Meracle Chamlotte I actually didn't know about that, but it sounds like it costs time. So that would only be worth in the PC version if I am close to the enterance. ;-) BTW, here is the channel where I upload the Chaos Legion content if you haven't already found the videos. So this is where I will be putting all the Chaos Legion content (it's my sub-account for Chaos Legion only). ;-)

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

+Sieg Flockhart Because of this mechanic, you always have both legions to summon on bossfight that requires you to go to a new screen So no need to waste soul recovery item if your legion breaks right before going to boss screen

[@Deathtome.]

+Meracle Chamlotte thanks! I will test it out by breaking one of my legions before a boss stage to see if it works. Sound really nice if that's the case! :D

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

+ウェブイュース検索 Works for both legions if both crests are broken as well

[@SelflessResurrection]

I'm currently on hard mode and by the life of me I could not get through the beginning of Stage 4. I thought those metal jets were infinite but it's nice to know that they're not.

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

I just tested Guilt's assist on Siela's fight, it's kinda perfect for that fight, Guilt assist always knocks down the golems, and can also be used to get you into a safe position coz it makes Sieg dash forward when you are killing the gunners Also don't use CC to kill the gunners, you're TOTALLY VULNERABLE if you do that, just add Guilt assist In my opinion level up Guilt's assist, the main usefulness of Guilt for this fight is the assist, you'll be relying a lot on it to kill the gunners, don't use CC to kill the gunners, it's bad To avoid Siela's whip, she will ALWAYS say something first, remember her words then you will know when to avoid it by double jumping etc I don't know about you, but I have mastered the jump slash counter for Victor on final stage so that helps a lot to speed up the fight. I only go for 2 jump slash counter every time, not 3 Azrail always follows the same pattern every single time, the laser always precedes the shockwave and it will always go in that direction, first they go in that direction, then that direction, then that direction so it's easy to dodge them once you memorize the pattern I can't play on PS2 properly coz the controllers are not in perfect condition anymore

[@Deathtome.]

+Meracle Chamlotte I really would need Guilt's strength on Delacroix and Siela. I probably didn't use him much at all in this video, I don't remember. For assist, I think it would be much worse, but I haven't tried. Since you are unable to move for 1.5-2 seconds after pressing triangle (sure you are immune for like 1 second, and the golem have time to charge his rush attack and hit you once the invulnerablility is gone). This is just speculations since I haven't tried it myself. ;) If you get 2 jump slash counters every time, then you are probably doing what I am doing (not in this video). I get 2 hits too, and a lot of extra damage with Guilt. Siela's whip attack is very easy to dodge as long as I move, so I always make sure to move while she charges it up. Azrail as well is easy as hell. As far as I know I am killing him pretty much as fast as I can. The fight is much faster in the japanese version though. I will probably do a segmented run too (I won't go for the best possible outcome). I would guess I can get around 2:45-3:00. I haven't tried to anger the shield guy on Stage 12 yet. I hope it's as good as I heard in the comment earlier. :) I will probably continue during the weekend. I am a bit busy at the moment so I cannot test anything right now. :( i wonder what differences there are between PC and PS2 version. I do have the PC version, but it's quite glitchy with the graphics (squares/blocks instead of actual ground graphics). I have to see if the X360 controller works with the analog. That was the reason I was so discouraged to run PC version of the game. I bet the loading times and graphics are much faster/better. Would probably end up as a faster speedrun overall. Perhaps, if there are no other differences than speed/graphics, I could do a PC Hard Segmented Speedrun. That would actually be a cool thing and easier for me to record as well. I will just have to beat Normal quick (unless I cheat to unlock hard).

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

+ウェブイュース検索 If you want to play on PC, use this pinnaclegameprofiler.com/pc-controller-support/alpha-gamepad-joystick/xbox-360-ps3-psx-etc/chaos-legion And watch this for how to get it to work pinnaclegameprofiler.com/forum/showthread.php?29444-VIDEO-Basic-Profile-Creation There is a multi-hit glitch on PC, you'll mostly see it when you're fighting Volvor. You'll break the shell so much faster and deal so much damage

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

1.Why not summon Malice for the boss of stage 7 and 10? 2.Use CC(Blasphemy assist) for countering Victor's shockwave on stage 11, I think I can get 3 counters for every shockwave if I do it really fast Note: don't try this on the final stage Victor coz CC deals little damage to him on final stage

[@Deathtome.]

+Meracle Chamlotte I just saw the Malice strategy for Stage 7 & 10. Holy smoke, Malice is OP! This will save so much time in both this and the Japanese speedrun. :O Finally sub 1:35 in JP version. Hmm, I haven't practiced him well enough. If it saves a lot of time I am going to investigate a bit. I always wanted to practice the section when he charges up his shockwave. Without double-raid I don't really have a backup strategy to escape in Stage 11. I will try it and see what happens.

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

+ウェブイュース検索 It's easier to counter the shockwave when he does it in the middle of the arena As soon as you see him go to the middle of the arena for the shockwave, get ready to spam CC on him

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

+ウェブイュース検索 Don't get hit so much against the shield guy, he almost never moves but deals a lot of damage if you get hit on hard mode. I think you need to practice the shield guy as well Thanks for showing the best time to use snipe mode on difficult missions, I'm gonna remember them, so helpful :)

[@DavidSmith-bl8ox]

25:43 is hilarious lol 😆

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

1:20:35 This mission is hell without Blasphemy. I bring Guilt and Malice

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

+Meracle Chamlotte I figured out the easy method, get behind the Jenon and lasers, keep spamming downward slashes, the rollers will be hit as well and you'll be safe coz the rollers have a really hard time reaching you

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

I found a much easier method for that blue shield guy on stage 12, you always bring Hatred for that stage, right? What you need to do is break his shield with Blasphemy first then Hatred assist on the spinning attack he does. This will make him mad and move forward, guaranteed :D Use Bad Karma(Hatred assist) as many times as you like, he will always get mad and move forward again

[@Deathtome.]

+Meracle Chamlotte wow! nice discovery! I do always bring him in for Stage 12. So that would be amazing. I am currently testing everything out. However the 3-attack thing on Delacroix is not as reliable as I would hope. I tried it out for an hour last night. I can get 2 hits (1 when he gathers in a place and the second one I do from the air after he have done his shockwave). I could do that even without double jump, but it's much riskier. I also noticed he swings a bit and delays his attacks if I use Guilt before his first shockwave charge. It won't make much of a difference, but for the Japanese version I might (hopefully) be able to kill him before his red beam. I really didn't save as much time on Stage 7 using Malice as I would hope. I may still use that strategy because of how quick I can kill the boss of that stage. I am still a bit torn about that decision. Getting through the first 4 stages is quite hard, but once I get through that with a time close to my PB I will continue and smoke my WR time by 30 minutes. Siela is still troublesome. I don't know if there is a secret trick during her 2nd minions + crazy mode at the same time. She basically does her beam attack while I have to fight the enemies (8 shooters and 1 golem). I just have to pray that I won't get hit by anything so I accidentally get hit by the red beam that instantly kills me. :/ The problem with all videos I have seen is that Sieg is either overpowered or his legions are overleveled (compared to my speedrun). I hope I am able to get a nice time soon. If only I did a segmented run... oh man, that would be so easy! :)

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

+ウェブイュース検索 Then do a segmented run, I wanna see how fast you can beat the game For hard mode, the furthest I have ever got without replaying stages are stage 10 clear. This time I'm going to start a new game again, it's not gonna be speedrun though, I'll be taking my time playing safely trying to beat the game without replaying stages I'm just curious about the difficulty of your hard mode speedrun, I've never tried it before, I only ever got as far as stage 10 clear. Usually I always farm those stat-ups

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

+ウェブイュース検索 Well, for stage 7 and 10 boss, I only use Malice for breaking the shell much faster, for damaging it, I use jump slash and CC

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

+Meracle Chamlotte Did you know that golems and invisible spiders are the best soul generator 1.For golem, keep attacking but never use the finisher, lock-on always stuns him. So when you try to approach him, lock-on, he will get stunned, slash slash slash lock-on, slash slash slash lock-on, the golem takes minimal damage so you can do this forever, I usually stop when my soul meter is full 2.For invisible spider, I just lock-on and attack him from the back, you see that he keeps trying to attack with his front legs, but you're behind him so the spider will never be able to hit you. Yes, you are completely safe throughout the process, I just lock-on hold R1 and keep attacking him. Hold R1 so you don't have to reposition so much. I usually stop when my soul meter is full That's why I always try to keep 1 golem/ 1 invisible spider for last for refilling soul meter to full For a lot of enemies, lock-on stuns them, so try it sometimes. It may save your life I think only large enemies/bosses who won't be stunned by lock-on, example tall guys, axe zombies, shield guy Lock-on actually increases the damage you deal as well, but you must hit the enemy fast after the lock-on or you won't get the damage buff, it also only lasts a few hits, so throw the lock-on again to buff your damage again. The damage buff probably only works for Sieg

[@observer___]

What is the difference from the Japanese version?

[@Deathtome.]

New armor type on heavy enemies (Fortified), Upgrades cost a lot more (2.5x more), and the enemies hit harder. :'(

[@wheelman1324]

Why does the U.S. version take longer?

[@Deathtome.]

Outskirts of Infinity It is so much more difficult... also I farm in Stage 5 due to how difficult the game is. Farming LIFE gems to extend my HP BAR. Also I probably played pretty bad. :) Only did this twice so far. US is too difficult so it is not fun trying much. Will do more runs someday on US. :)

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

Just wanted to say I'm waiting for a new hard mode speedrun

[@Deathtome.]

+Meracle Chamlotte I don't know how long it would be until I am done with a speedrun. I want the next run to be below 3:30 and also complete the whole segmented Chaos Legion run on PC before I upload anything. I don't know how long it's going to take, but I will do my best to be done before 2016. ;-) I am extremely busy so I only have time during weekends. My plan was to end my work but got extended for 6 more months. :(

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

+ウェブイュース検索 Btw I wanted to point out that when you want to use items, you often open the stage map and zoom in instead

[@Deathtome.]

+Meracle Chamlotte I'm sorry about not being able to provide enough content, my sire. I am thinking about it, and I have the PC version set up properly and the controller works fine with the link you gave me last month with gamepad profile. I have a lot of issues where the game can randomly crash at any point, so I will have to just run like that I guess unless there is a fix. I am half-way through NORMAL (need to unlock HARD). I guess the only way I can possibly release any Chaos Legion content is to upload each Stage (Hard) PC on a segmented speedrun. I will think about it and hopefully do 1 segment each week. Let's see if next weekend is the first episode. I may not upload any Chaos Legion between 18th december and 31st december. I hope that sounds good, because I don't think I have a lot of time on my hands with 2x Christmas Marathons coming up (FF7-8-9 One-sitting speedruns) once I finally take a vacation. All my current time goes into practicing for the marathon and a possible world record. :) I just wanted you to know I wish I had more time. :)

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

+ウェブイュース検索 I download the PC version from here s3.postimg.org/vmihv2fox/click_here_to_download.jpg The game only ever crashed 1 time for me, and I start the game daily Maybe try that download link in case you download your PC version from another site Btw yes, I wanna see your segmented speedrun for Hard mode Sieg. I'm really interested in seeing the best possible time for a stage :) My only problem now is that pinnacle game profiler that I use for the controller setup keeps turning off every 15 minutes coz I haven't sent them money to get the full version The cracks I see from the internet do not work I guess I should just give up and send them money :/

[@Deathtome.]

+Meracle Chamlotte Mate, I want to let you know you can use Xpadder as well as Pinnacle Game Profiler. It works in the same fashion. Just bind the to your keyboard arrows and leave the settings the same in the game itself (as keyboard). So basically you bind the Keyboard buttons to your controller. Your XBOX 360 controller (if you use one) is fully working as with Pinnacle's software. The pinnacle software is only turning off controller if you play with a WIFI/Internet connection. So turning it off could temporarily disable the Pinnacle's limit if you still want to use it. Even with a registered product key I couldn't get it to bypass the 15 minute restriction, so I tried to setup a profile with Xpadder instead. I watched a tutorial on how to setup an XBOX 360 controller with Xpadder. After that I assigned the buttons according to the keyboard buttons in the game itself. Took me about 10-15 minutes in total I would say. :) I didn't like the Pinnacle software to be honest. It was very annoying!

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

So I got to the final stage without replaying stage(s), the save is 7 hours 40+ minutes That was so crazy, I can't do the final stage coz the Siela fight is bugged, I can't double jump the laser circles, it works fine on PS2. Stage 11 is so hard, 13 is second hardest I relied on curving Blasphemy on the hardest parts of stage 11, and 1 mission of stage 13 coz the golem always moves a lot if I'm too close I can win against Victor and Azrail easily, but the Siela fight is not doable. CC deals so much damage on Azrail fight but you have to get an enemy to be hit at the same time so you can get the multi-hit glitch I tried Hatred assist on stage 12, the assist deals a lot of damage but doesn't put the blue shield guy far enough to make you safe from the cannon even after I've used Hatred assist twice. So after 2 Hatred assist, I use 2 CC and he's dead In case you want to know, here's the precise location of "stat-ups that can only be collected once" s29.postimg.org/3lofpu2ev/sairenji.jpg

[@meraclechamlotte9291]

+Meracle Chamlotte I was wrong about the tall guys on stage 8, they can be knocked down but very rarely if you are playing hard mode. So for me lvl 3 CC for stage 8 is a necessity, I countered the tall guy's charge attack with CC to deal a lot of damage What I view as necessity on hard mode are: 1. lvl 2 guilt enchant for stage 4, it helps a lot to kill the boss 2. 4 guilt members for stage 5 to make the boss fight really fast If you have 3 malice members, the blue cannons guarding the boss will die really fast no matter how many there are 3. lvl 3 CC for stage 8, it makes all the fights easier, most needed for the tall guys and shield guys coz I can't stand the slow fight against the shield guy which takes forever About the shield guy, something funny. Once I break the shield, sometimes he will just keep turning around trying to face me, but he's so slow and because of that I can just keep circling him and he will never be able to face me, I just keep attacking him while he's in that "infinite turning around so slowly" state till he's dead I did it on the shield guy at stage 11, yes the one guarding a gate at the very beginning I'm not doing this speedrun again, once is enough. I'm terrible at sniping with Malice and jump slashing like you always did I only managed to master the jump slash counter for Victor's shockwave and the rollers' roll this year

[@احمد-ع4ز5غ]

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