Chaos Magic with Dean Radin and Peter J. Carroll - ConnectIONS Live

[@Michiko759]

Trust me when I say if these viewers are already weird enough to click on this topic, they’ll happily watch 4 hours of people talking about 😂 thank you for this, soo interesting !!!

[@LiberLotus]

Wonderful. So few recordings of Peter speaking. It was a treat to hear him laugh. Thank you, Peter, for that interview, and thank you all for setting it up.

[@roloduarte3100]

I love Dean, he's the best at explaining this topic.

[@tomegadrakon]

My dearest Arcanorium College mentor and my favorite science communicator and researcher in conversation, thank you IONS.

[@tman2953]

Kudos to Dean for securing an interview with the elusive Peter J. Carroll. I’m honored to have heard it.

[@t3d_trav3l3r]

Since consciousness is fundamental to the state of our world, and the whole world is becoming more conscious of it, our global society should restructure itself to support a healthy individual and collective consciousness. Would we still have disease, war, and poverty if our state of consciousness was prioritized over material gain and surface appearances?

[@OoSpellheartOo]

I love what you said ... ❤ The organized crime that runs the world right now is "chaos magic". The divisions and labels they have created for us keep us from uniting. We are in need of love and compassion for all .. we waste so much precious energy on hate...which is what the world needs less of. People think we need an edict from the .gov ... We are in charge..eff them. ❤

[@ericschatz5492]

Beautifully worded, I can't help but think that those who have gained the awareness to postulate such queries, know the answer to what you have written. It gives me hope to read this type commentary. And the greatest is love...

[@tman2953]

To answer the question at the end of your statement: an emphatic NO. If we truly realized the singular consciousness and cultivated it - I don’t believe those things would exist. To even get civilization to reach a point of realization would be daunting in itself - eradicating the destructive aspects of our society would be a byproduct of such a realization. The seeds were sown with great minds such as Dee, Blavatsky, Crowley, Spare, Hall, Carroll, Flowers - the list goes on. We are now seeing the benefits of this sowing. We are the lotus seed making its way through the seemingly infinite mud. We will blossom. Sooner, rather than later. We owe a great debt to modern Magicians and Occultists. Peter J Carroll is at the top of that list in my book. May his years be filled with ecstasy.

[@HapuiLand]

wish the episode hadn’t been cut down, would love to hear the rest of the conversation.

[@Maya_Ruinz]

Great presentation! It’s always a pleasure to hear from the man himself.

[@Zacchus]

Can we get the full interview unedited please? 😀 🧙‍♂️

[@prasannadhoj]

Thank you , love it. Dean and Peter on Chaos Magic

[@eeayquetting5963]

Such an incredible conversation to listen to. Thank you so much

[@tuanfro]

Blessed to hear this conversation :) Art and magic are, or at least can be woven. Particularly in unconscious or dada style of practice; Sigils emerge from the tangle of shapes, dark light, also the interplay between the different depths of fields often bring the multi dimensional unexpectedly into focus, particularly when viewed in a different lights/contexts than "intended".

[@OoSpellheartOo]

Magic is real ... ✨️ . A child's eyes see magic in all things ... joy is a form of magic . Logic has a way of destroying magic . Logic cares only for fact , not for possibilities. Do not let circumstances steal your joy !

[@ericschatz5492]

Please, no. Logic will never destroy. Mask, cloud, muddle perhaps. Never destroy, don't give away the power. And the greatest is love...

[@DendriticFractals]

Got sad when Dean said the interview was over an hour in when on this video it had only been going like 15-20 mins which means the interview was edited. Anyone else wish they could bear the whole thing? Carroll seems like a lovely man. Good energy

[@eeayquetting5963]

This video is a 50 minute video, so it's nearly an hour. I'm not sure if you just maybe need a refresh or something

[@DendriticFractals]

@@eeayquetting5963 yes the video is but at the point of the interview that was said it was only like 20 minutes in

[@Marsik152]

Yes, where I can see the whole interview? Should I buy subscription for this?

[@sergiotorres1069]

😂😂😂 nothing of any usefulness would’ve come out of hearing it u need to be practicing magic not listening to academic lectures of the nonsensical

[@sergiotorres1069]

😂😂😂 nothing of any usefulness would’ve come out of hearing it u need to be practicing magic not listening to academic lectures of the nonsensical

[@StephenCooteNZ]

"Beginners Luck" was mentioned. At the beginning of my exploration into these things I had some wonderful experiences which convinced me this kind of thing is absolutely real. But lately I haven't enjoyed the same success rate. I don't think it is 'luck'.... more like a honeymoon effect maybe. Interesting presentation thank you. Best wishes from New Zealand.

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

What a beautiful lady. I'm reading The Secret Doctrine by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky I'm on Volume 3 currently. She has a vitally important message for all of us: Never use the occult for selfish reasons. Always use the occult for altruistic reasons. I am sure that she also included the protection of our loved ones and our own bodies and minds in this. It is extremely important to Never test on animals.

[@alexh6809]

Yucky, I'll stick to my animal sacrifices thanks. EDIT: Trolling.

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

@@alexh6809 Animal sacrifices are Yucky af. I see your first comment wasn't mean enough so you had to edit it and make the comment much meaner and violent.

[@alexh6809]

@@nickidaisydandelion4044 maybe you're right. Dear god what have i done. mr fluffles.. no..

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

@@alexh6809 I find it very sad and pathetic to make fun of cruelty.

[@pamelafarmer3426]

​@@alexh6809 Don't you understand that you're attracting cruelty to yourself?

[@porfiriocantu1661]

The Science behind Chaos Magic objectively is the key to success, Once again, the key carries at time an ethical and moral issue. Not the act as given by current mainstream magicians or witches, but as a scientist. Though it can be fun to practice chaos magic, one must aware of the magical properties that produce the magic itself. One thinks will over reality, and the other can be at two places at the same time. Different spaces same time. Keys to open these Sigil are seals that have to be broken. Crowley was correct. The Sigil exist in the mind and in the subconscious.

[@porfiriocantu1661]

If you study Sigil magic, but carry an objective scientific eye which has no modern ego....you will begin to see actual science behind it. It's a soup of wisdom that has not been given category. One wonders, I know; yet I still wonder at the new discoveries.

[@MorganBedwell]

Thanks for posting

[@rodbakergodnrod7771]

Magnificent interview….

[@originalcableguy]

energy never ceases but transforms, other dimensions exists, there you have a gateway

[@nonsensicalnonsense4260]

Have you guys studied the phenomenon of Tai chi masters who can toss people several feet with what looks like the force.? Serious question 😊

[@extemporaneous4545]

Video link? Or are you talking about the scenes from Chinese kung fu movies?

[@minimal3734]

The people flying around are their students. It doesn't work with normal people.

[@JardineKarate1]

Explained by bio mechanics and skilful use of leverage.

[@krishead2410]

They have studied Tummo Breathing techniques whose monks can dry a wet cloth on their skin in freezing conditions by elevating their body temp at will.

[@jimmymorrison8314]

It's mostly nonsense. A roll played by "actors" to give notiriety to fake, egotistical "masters". There's plenty of information on YT about it, it's quite amusing to see them try to fight actual trained fighters.

[@L4M4CH1N4]

@Institute of Noetic Sciences ; Dead Radin, Billy Carson and Peter Carroll are my current Manifestations. Who knew two of them'd end up together in an interview.

[@spectralvalkyrie]

Im really curious if "intent" is needed to collapse a wave function from an interference pattern into a particle

[@pchemist]

No, it's just interaction with a bath state (macroscopic object). It's also not changing from one thing to another. 'Wave' and 'particle' are just conceptual models, neither of which capture the full nature of a quantum object, but we can choose a model that works for particular situations.

[@CarloFromaggio]

Thanks Dean.

[@ChadKovac]

You could add "emergent" phenomena in science as well. That's essentially raw unguided science chaos magic.

[@krishead2410]

Curious on Dr. RADIN'S assessment of the late Dr. Jacobo Grinberg's work or thoughts on his untimely mysterious disappearance.

[@elysium212521]

I think Dr. Jacobo Grinberg's was one of the first scientists to study consciousness and psi fenomena but most of his studies mysteriously disappeared. Actually Dr. Grinberg was fascinated by it because he experienced the psi capacities to heal of a famous shaman woman. It's a very interesting correlation indeed!

[@mikejurney9102]

Thanks for the interesting discussion. I'm not sure it is will or intent that affects change in the world. Perhaps it is more faith and certainty of belief. For at least belief is a measure of uncertainty which is connected with the physical concept of entropy. Perhaps sufficient faith lowers the overall entropy around you which may cause things to happen.

[@DomDomPop]

Man I love these guys. I’ve long thought that the next step is to marry the scientific and esoteric worlds, much as physics seeks to marry the classical and the quantum. That’s the kind of breaking of barriers that could lead to the next big leap in human society. I would say, though, that an understanding of the interconnectedness of things doesn’t necessarily have to lead to better behavior. The Bhagavad Gita, for example, asserts right at the beginning that because nothing can truly be destroyed, going to war against your friends and family is no big deal. There are so many conclusions, true or false or otherwise, that people can come to upon realizing that there is connection between all things. The self-haters can learn to hate it all. The nihilist can realize that the totality of existence doesn’t matter. It’s a little idealistic to assume that it’s an automatic coming together of people while excluding the possibility of “great, now I control everyone and everything” reactions that, at least in my opinion, might be far more common than we’d like to assume. I can definitely concur with the idea of imagination leading to an interest in the esoteric, though. I was one of those kids who was always told I had a “very active imagination” as a result of my shenanigans and my output as far as assignments went, and I came to the same interests of “what if the worlds within my mind could be made real”, and indeed had enough early successes that it continued into adulthood. I’m sure encouragement of that could be a great way to drive interest for those with a natural inclination to begin with that just requires nurturing. Could it be said that those with a natural talent or inclination might gravitate towards it regardless of encouragement? That might be the case.

[@dionnejohnston.1785]

❤❤❤ Love from N.E England UK ❤❤❤

[@nickgangadis8679]

Great minds cross paths

[@jidun9478]

Please, remember the first rebel for chaos magic requires at least a nod toward Austin Osman Spare on how to make sigils and cast them as well. Pete gave the modernized and BELIEVEable science to prove it which was monumental for obvious reasons.

[@LGR8]

Amazing

[@Stephenoid]

The nascent field of quantum biology may be the best path to understanding consciousness. Quantum tunneling of electrons and protons in cells has been demonstrated. Photosynthesis likely utilizes the uncertainty principle. Birds use quantum magnetic spin. Advanced consciousness in animals and human consciousness may be a matter of degree of neuronal transduction of the quantum vacuum energy, for example.

[@stevencasteel]

Mr. Caroll's accent is similar to web animator Weebls.

[@JardineKarate1]

My wife is a teacher in the UK and creative writing (imagination) is taught in schools.

[@JimmyBolton-d7f]

I was an athlete all through school but do yall remember Rudolph Steiner saying sports wasn't good for spiritual development. I can't remember what he said about that but I have my own ideas why. Anyway...

[@morganb6035]

please interview Frater U. D.

[@rodbakergodnrod7771]

THOUGHT CONSEQUENCE

[@prospero6337]

🔥HEY Dean Radin, Long time fan, REAL MAGIK and such…. Liber Kaos….Yum. You should talk to a Lady Dr. Leanne Whitney. ✅🌙🌸

[@ww9519]

It would be more informative if Mr. Carroll's statements were more to the point about what he has managed to accomplish in his field.

[@RockerfellerRothchild1776]

Magick is the manipulation of sounds and images to cause change in consciousness ..... Thats all it ever was .

[@vladimiroboukhov8395]

That boy pete is sleeping on the job

[@judykomarek4242]

The men look like twin sons from different mothers ❤

[@RodCornholio]

Sweet!

[@adcaptandumvulgus4252]

Why didn't anyone win amazing Randis reward to demonstrate real special abilities. many tried but all were hoaxes but one inconclusive so maybe?

[@davida.rosales6025]

Because it was setup in a way that nobody could ever win. That is, even if you had somebody spitting fireballs out of their ears while levitating without any aid, the rules of the challenge by their own wording would still call it a hoax. The whole challenge was a stunt and one more attempt at simply silencing people who know the truth of these phenomena.

[@jidun9478]

Yeah the sealed test tube of moistened paper towels and seeds beat the challenge as it added mass into the sealed test tube.

[@captiveamerica1776]

Check out Khurt Khave's DOOMSLINGER book. It explains the nature of reality and how science and religion/magick/woowoo are actually the same thing just from differing viewpoints throughout history - with scientific citations.

[@svenk5221]

Wow even though this video was heavily edited Peter still pretty much debunked his whole career with what he said. Telling that he didn’t want to do a real job, that it was much easier and more interesting creating a career based on esoteric, laughing about students that quit after the first session (still paying the whole seminar for sure) and telling that magic is kind of nothing more than hoping for the best and maybe having more luck and confessing that he is very imaginative and made it all up basically. You can tell from the interviewer’s face that he was not happy with what the old P. c Caroll said and interrupted him as often as possible to bring him back on track and laying him stuff in the mouth he wanted him to represent.

[@svenk5221]

I listened to the interview part a second time. I can’t believe they uploaded this. Other KZbinrs decided to read a written interview. Now I know why. I am reading Liber Null because I am actually interested in this but this interview just shows me that this industry is also just a group of wolves and sheep like the Pentecostal cult/ church I grew up in. He laughs about his students and says “it’s not working brilliantly “ and the interviewer tries to correct him and he answers that it’s like lottery and might increase your chances. In his book he claims that his techniques are powerful. That sounds totally different

[@firstlast2762]

I’d argue that too many people knowing this shit is causing the issues in the world today. Occult is no longer Occulted, that is a big fucking problem. Not every new age hipster should be knowing this, let alone practicing it! 🤦‍♂️

[@tman2953]

I think there’s still a pretty substantial filter. They touched on this in the interview. A lot of potential students are turned off because of the effort required. And then of course, there’s TikTok witchery - which is laughable to say the least. The surface level magicians (to put it mildly) are easy to spot. True practitioners are not - they dwell in the esotericism. There’s a lot of grifters, faux magicians, and the like. But there’s plenty of true occultists as well - you just don’t hear about them. Which is intentional.

[@firstlast2762]

@ That is a fair point, the barrier to entry is quite high and requires a substantial amount of intentionality which does weed out the incapable. The instagram, TikTok, Facebook Occultists are the absolute insufferable worst. It’s a collective of schizophrenics.

[@FraterRC]

The biggest private school in the entire world is based on training the Imagination...give Steiner some credit sometime, eh ;)

[@FraterRC]

@ shame to hear of a school like that though I know many of the ones in North America have drastically changed the past decades. I have my own issues with Waldorf but overall it was a blessing. I know I was lucky. Great teachers and classmates.

[@FraterRC]

@ steiners core teaching is spiritual freedom so they treated you very wrongly it sounds like.

[@FraterRC]

@@Joandearc594 Yes I was the poor kid and literally everyone around me was a millionnaire. Tommy Chong's kid and Indian brahmens, you name it. Fortunately i had veteran teachers and class stuff didn't damage us as kids. As adults it was another story and growing up amongst the wealthy led to being robbed a lot by them as I tried to climb up the ladder in life.

[@FraterRC]

@ what?? Really?

[@ChadKovac]

Chaos magic is the origin of all magic. Other words, every magic started as chaos magic.

[@davida.rosales6025]

No.

[@umzaum]

Я так и не понял, этот так называемый маг Питер действительно может производить хотя бы простейшие сверхъестественные явления или он маг только своей болтовнёй на тему магии? На мой взгляд надо приводить примеры своей магии, например, оживление умершего человека или вызывание дождя в засушливый месяц.Дин Радин может предложить самые простые эксперименты для выявления реальных магических способностей, которые настоящие маги могли бы продемонстрировать на видео шоу.

[@wzupppp]

Didnt the CIA research this? The government is well aware of the possibilities

[@davida.rosales6025]

What a painful conversation.

[@svenk5221]

Thank you. I was wondering if other commentators even listened to the interview part. Caroll basically debunks all his books and confesses that he was a fraud doing a living by telling imaginary stuff. It’s hard to believe that he wrote Liber Null after listening to this interview. It’s more than irritating

[@paul1887]

WTH is the deal with Ridly Scotts Raised by Wolves? I don't get it, they just stopped the stupid story and removed it from max? Atheists vs Kristians? Started out ok, but just became nonsensible and then removed. Why? Wish I could produce crap then get paid a ton of money then just scrub the internet of my crimes against humanity. lmao Big dumb Universe anyway.

[@djgrumpygeezer1194]

Yeah! And what about Ishtar?

[@JesseBrown-qf6zp]

”Manifestation” represents the dominant modern magical practice. I highly recommend you arrange an interview with Sammy Ingram.