CHAOS VS CTHULU MYTHOS | Warhammer Versus Lovecraft

Today on Warhammer VS we shall be pitting immense deities of destruction against each-other.
Hal (‪@TheAmberKing‬) shall be championing Lovecraft's malevolent monsters whilst Eli (‪@DeadliftsForTheDarkGods‬) shall espouse the might of the Chaos Gods!
Who will win in this debate between such supernatural denizens of horror?
#lovecraft #chaos40k #warhammer40k #warhammer #warhammer40k #40k
EDITED BY: Hal ( @TheAmberKing )
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[@OljeiKhan]

Imagine being a navigator and you see Nyarlahotep and Tzeentch dueling within the warpstorm you're trying to sail through, calling each other ripoffs and engaging in thousands of "stoner bro" discussions about the nature of Intellectual Properties and being free from the shackles of time so what even IS ripping off so you just say "understandable" and go in the opposite direction

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Lovecraftian deities are public domain.

[@OljeiKhan]

@@JoshuaKevinPerry weak hit, the joke survives. Try again initiate.

[@tomasposkaitis7749]

😊😊😊😊

[@ziadhulhok]

​@@OljeiKhanLovecraftian horror has a bigger cosmology. A single arch dreamer absolutely destroy the comp Warhammer 40k lil bro

[@GrimDarkHalfOff]

As someone who has done multiple videos on the Cthulhu Mythos I heavily sympathize with the Lovecraft name problem.

[@jor8255]

Love the content my guy!

[@TheCerebralMirage]

Hard to even debate between them. If the elder seals fail, Azathoth wakes up and reality is obliterated vs 4 Chaos gods birthed from the emotions of mortals. When it comes to power over reality, the lovecraftian gods ARE reality and the Chaos gods are creations of reality

[@Hyperlooper]

That really goes to the heart of what existential horror is. Well said.

[@ShadowFox178]

Azathoth isn't that powerful. It is sealed by Yog-Sathoth.

[@garygordle5146]

@@ShadowFox178damn right

[@ShadowFox178]

@@garygordle5146 It's also referred to the universe of Yog-Sathoth. Azathoth is a god of annihilation that exists buried down several infinities below what Yog-Sathoth exists in. You can visit its domain in the dreaming if you get high enough and follow the right paths. Not that it's recommended.

[@sev1120]

​@@ShadowFox178 the universe is also said to be nothing more than Azathoth's dream

[@Ratman36]

Horned rat is best-best of all gods. Eat-devour both yes-yes

[@ulty1472]

Based based and rat-pilled.

[@vitorzelao]

As a guy who's read both lores a bunch the lovecrafitian gods are just miles above in power.

[@haroldsandahl6408]

I hate the Chaos gods because they're not chaotic. We don't see their followers doing what we would see as good. Heck, we don't really see anything beyond a simplified version of their emotions. You know what I want to see? I want to see a world where a greater demon from each of the gods works together to run a world filled with mortals. Where the bloodthirster trains the armies, a Great Unclean One is all about the environment, a Lord of Change runs the politics, and a Keeper of Secrets is in charge of the economy. Or have Nurgle invade a world after a virus bombing and turn it into another death planet. A bloodthirster running a fortress world. A keeper of secrets having their own spy network and a Lord of change working in a manufactorum. Chaos is presented as the great enemy, but that's boring. Chaos should always be working towards goals that we mortals don't always understand. We should have demonic planets that are amazing places to live just as we have demonic planets that are horrible to live. Chaos works best when it contradicts itself. Have the chaos warriors and chaos mortals be the great enemy. Have the rest of the warp be like kids playing with toys. There is logic there, but it doesn't always make sense to us.

[@christopherbravo1813]

unfortunately the way that Daemons work leaves very few opportunities for stuff like what you described occur outside of the Warp.

[@nagual1992]

Lovecraft missed argument: When it comes to followers and powers, it’s MUCH better to follow the Lovecraft gods. With the chaos gods, you pay a price for power. With the Lovecraft deities, it’s usually someone else paying the price. You don’t become a deep one, you sleep with a deep one and that’s your progeny’s problem. Usually the price that comes with following the is the curse of knowledge. The mind breaking reality sets in and you’re confronted with things you can’t really understand. You could become a dribbling lunatic, or be fine, it’s all on you. It’s your personal failure.

[@randomheraldofnurgle1284]

It's ironic, because Azathoth represents Chaos much better than the Chaos Gods.

[@theoneandonlyquasarsaurus]

Gork and Mork stomp both Chaos and Lovecraft no contest because they’ll just paint themselves purple and sneak up on everyone

[@riokollivier]

Cuz wez Orkz are da bestest!

[@noobatgames3321]

​@@riokolliviergork and Mork are to green to be panted purple because green is best

[@ericcloud1023]

Naw Gork would paint himself red and purple to git on o'er 'ere real quick like, but bee sneaky whilez doin it, Whereas mork would paint 'imself purple & red to sneakily run up on them. As any git would agree, if'n they ain't lookin' for a Krumping!!!

[@SamueL-td7fb]

not before Gork paints his fists yellow while Mork as a distraction

[@warlordjr.jr.]

Lovecraft Outer Gods are not like 40k "Gods", they are on an entirely separate fundamental scale compared to Chaos or anything from Warhammer. Azathoth can't be defeated, a full on transcendental God, not a big emo cancer or fungus in the sea of souls, it's all of those things and everything else all at once. You wake up Azathoth, everything that isn't Azathoth ceases to exist.

[@anlize3422]

Craaap... that's gonna be a hard one for the warhammer side. I mean... you can just name drop Azathoth/Yog-Sothoth and the discussion spirals out of control. I'm hyped to see how this will unfold.

[@Pridefallen975]

I'm also hyped to see this but Lovecraft would be winning I'd always be on their side

[@SamueL-td7fb]

next week on Lorecrimes: Pancreasnowork debates Pancreasnowork over who the best ruler in the WH universe truly is, Roboute Guilliman or Karl Franz

[@riokollivier]

Eli: *Breaths* Hal: FIRST TO THE SLAUGHTER!

[@gahngis8158]

The true Villian of the lovecraftian universe is not Azathoth.. it was infact the Air conditioner this whole time.

[@scribeslendy595]

Lovecraft lore challenge: try not to mention that one cat (impossible)

[@DiscoKevin69420]

Ceasing to exist because some bloke woke up is a lot less scary than an eternity in nurgle's jar or slaanesh's toybox

[@kingzseventh7017]

Pretty sure living in an infinite reality that gets worse each time you survive it is worse for infinity (Lovecraft mythos)

[@christopherbravo1813]

I will say before going into this, just because Lovecraft's pantheons never caused as great of calamities as the Chaos Gods doesn't mean they are incapable of doing so. they are simply so far above literally everything else that they literally DO NOT CARE enough to do so.

[@rexmelgoza4703]

Yes sir, the lovecraftian entities have the abilities to end powers, but whether or not they care to end their rein is a different story.

[@jiahuilai608]

I'm team Lovecraft!

[@chucklytell]

cant wait for the Nyarlathotep hype lol, best Lovecraftian deity no contest

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

Nyarlathotep is unique fir being a truly malicious entity, the other gods of the mythos are indifferent and uncaring, perhaps even unaware, of humanity. Nyarlathotep goes through effort to mess with us specifically just for fun.

[@ulty1472]

@@RipOffProductionsLLCfr bro just hates to hate the eithers are just “vibin”

[@swedichboy1000]

Being an avid Lovecraft fan, i see no way in hell how the Chaos gods could triumph here. In a sense, The Outer gods are as far beyond the Chaos Gods as they are beyond humans. Even Nyarlathotep refered to the earthly gods as "mild", that tells me everything.

[@TheAccursedHunter01]

I have a suggestion for a future episode: Samus Aran from Metroid vs the demon entity Samus from the Horus Heresy. 40K demons are the kinds of things Samus would go after and a demon sharing Samus Aran's name just won't do.

[@akumaking1]

Who thinks Unicron would totally dominate the Warhammer Chaos Gods?

[@ryancronwell6368]

Yes

[@ryancronwell6368]

Yes

[@ryancronwell6368]

Yes

[@RetroRadianceLight]

Oh yeah, not even a contest

[@whositsnamewhatsitsname3269]

God I would love to see Unicron in the Warhammer universe

[@demo0831]

oh thaank god deadlifts still alive

[@heboric6136]

🎉

[@jamesmckenna4460]

​@@heboric6136how'd ya get that khornate emoji? :0

[@natet9071]

Suddenly I really want to hear Colin do love craft lore

[@Suhawk07]

I think it could be interesting if like what Eli did today each candidate was able to choose how to allocate their time

[@alcotismo]

I love comparing these gods. Even though their followers have similar aesthetics, they themselves act totally differently (apart from maybe Nyarlathotep and Tzneetch) with one actively seeking human worship to exist, and the other that could accidentally dream wrong and wipe out our planet

[@eichler721]

In terms of power and feats the Lovecraft gods take it no question. However for interest Tzeentch is the single most interesting and the most Lovecraftian of the Chaos ones with more depth to his followers and lore wise.

[@vermas4654]

I love how during the salt round Nurgle wasn't even mentioned despite being the perfect rebuttal to the insult of "Lovecraft gods ugly"

[@vktrlndwll95]

The warp embraced Pancreas at the end.

[@galileofrank5779]

Lovecraft won! Also these debates need better framing; what criteria are we using to judge each side exactly??

[@lachlanmacrae1779]

But Khorne has a sword that cuts planets in half and hunts god sized beasts for fun.

[@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285]

Upper tier lovecraftian entities can simply create whole galaxies with a stray thought.

[@lachlanmacrae1779]

@@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285 yeah... but big sword.

[@riokollivier]

@@lachlanmacrae1779Cthulhu could fart and drown Khorne in a storm of galactic laser swords.

[@dukedevlan5457]

​@riokollivier yeah but REALLY BIG SWORD

[@ulty1472]

@@lachlanmacrae1779big sword will be a little sword in the eyes of Nyarlethetop.

[@luangomes2431]

I love how either side point out the side effects of eachother worship when the other didn't

[@Cpint]

Sorry Eli, Hal had this in the bag before you guys even started.

[@TheLordofMetroids]

One change I'd like to see to this format, the contestants can come in with one question to ask the other person, and before the final round, they can ask ine other question come up with in response to arguments.

[@darrianweathington1923]

Man, For Eli being a khorn berserker, he sure was acting like a slaanesh keeper of secrets after he got married......... Anyway I think Lovecraft stuff is pretty alright, as long as you separate Lovecraft himself... oof

[@christopherolson1564]

The movie glory caught that Lovecraft vibe almost perfect

[@Knight1029]

I like the Chaos gods more not because they are better but because I get more dread from the Old gods than them. I have never felt more scared or uneasy than with Lovecraft's stories. The Chaos gods are just metal and I can get behind that.

[@gabriel8227378]

Lovecraft too OP

[@djangofett4879]

the emperor would wipe his azz with lovecraftian entities. theyre chump change compared to the threat of chaos. Lovecraft's world is tame compared to 40k.

[@pablo1006pr]

​@@djangofett4879not really

[@sinfulnitwit7647]

@@djangofett4879 No?

[@ryojimata3708]

The thing about the chaos gods being contradictions. They can represent two sides of the same coin.

[@thechodeofhammurabi]

Slaanesh targeting elves makes it the least evil chaos God.

[@pablo1006pr]

I like the argument of "if they are so powerful why haven't they taken ober the universe?" Because the universe is already theirs

[@Nobody-zl3kk]

None, Kirby eats all of 'em.

[@paulsmart4672]

I'm prepared to be convinced of either side, here. Very excited to hear these arguments.

[@JTruong3rd]

Imagine being a daemon lord and you find yourself getting clapped by an interdimensional rat. Anyway fun thing Cthulu is like lower middle in the scale with a huge gap before reaching the next in power called shub.

[@Jenksz]

Winner goes up against Blair Witch Mythos

[@goatmeal8130]

Huge dub for the lovecraft world for not having elves

[@dclangst]

I submit that chaos gods are Lovecraftian gods. They’re just other aspects or avatars. Hell Big E is probably Nyarlarthotep having a laugh playing with humanity.

[@dinodude6992]

The silent king of 40k vs the pale king from hollow knight could be an idea Or a god emperor vs the pale king (again from hollow knight) in how terrible of a father they are instead of a direct vs

[@voomvoom4522]

Would that even be remotely fair considering that hollow knight characters are all bugs?

[@21stcenturysquid]

One thing the chaos gods have over the mythos is that they can't be defeated even if you destroy reality, while the Cthulhu mythos gods are reality and exist within it. The chaos gods devoured an entire IP and themselves and just reformed and said lol let's do it again

[@pheonixshaman]

Warhammer Chaos gods desire you to know their existence. The knowledge that Lovecraftian gods exist rends the sanity in twain of those who understand they exist. Defeating the Chaos gods in Warhammer is a possibility, whereas the Lovecraftian gods succeeding in an inevitability. Lovecraftian gods are on another level, which, in a way, makes them less dynamic in a setting. You can defeat the forces of Nurgle/Slaanesh/Tzneech/Khorne/the Horned Rat and even the gods themselves, thus there is hope, however small, in a long term brighter future.

[@kilgoretrout7389]

Hal won the debate but, Eli won our hearts. Eli reminds me of butters from south park

[@meadhall4812]

Yog is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. The hell kinda fight are they expecting?

[@sherbo3818]

Warhammer vs the lovecraftian verse . its like pairing prime mike tyson with the highest quality roids vs Stephen hawing with several mental disabilitys

[@djangofett4879]

Lovecraft universe is like heaven compared to any 40k hive planet. now imagine that hive planet has become tainted by chaos, the comparison becomes even more silly. lovecraft is creepy, sure but warhammer 40k is full of horror that is unimaginable in scale. and thats just the chaos, not to mention the tyranids and genstealers.

[@sherbo3818]

@@djangofett4879 I believe that lovecrafts style of writing is more of implied horror its the fear of the unknown that's why the books never go out of there way to show us everything 40k is the exact opposite of that everything is out there u get more details from the 40k books and In 40k at least u can fight back the forces of chaos In love craft unless ur a dreamer that has a good amount of plot armor u are giga boned

[@meadhall4812]

@@djangofett4879 lovecrafts horrors are the unimaginable ones, 40ks are a lot more tame by comparison, there's a lovecraftian god that if you gaze upon you will become an immortal corpse in a constant state of ultimate terror. That being said I agree with you that lovecrafts universe would be a better place to live in since the gods literally do not care if you exist or not and the only way bad stuff does happen is by the cults people willingly form around them and cause trouble, but a god is rarely directly involved with the trouble.

[@nathanthompson5970]

Video idea chaos vs oblivion

[@Random-World-Eater]

HAY!! Those innocent people COULD have survived if there was a better target to slaughter!!!

[@droopybg]

I can't believe old man handerson was never brought up as an Argument against the lovecraftian gods😅😂

[@heiroftheredeemer2828]

Yeah, some good time Lorecrimes.

[@guyincognito1406]

Whoever wins, there will surely be tons of nerds arguing in the comments.

[@riokollivier]

Slaanesh has fallen, Eli has advocated for moderation.

[@Chapter-Master-Kosh]

Love-craft wins 100%. When you just need to wake up to win the fight it’s game over lol

[@ziadhulhok]

Stop the BS lol. Azathoth never dream the reality lol

[@loganthousandsonssorcerer3206]

I speak my opinion, I prefer the chaos gods for I find the inability to fight back boring, I simply don’t care for over arching elder gods who can distroy you by blinking, I prefer the possibility of fighting back, despite how powerful the chaos gods are in there respective setting you can fight back against all odds and have a slim chance of victory, from my eyes the works of H.P lovecraft instil a sence of nihilism within me, there are beings of ultimate power and all is futile, while in warhammer you can make the choice to stand up and fight without it being pointless, you can choose your destiny to stand against the gods in warhammer witch I prefer hevaly, it may just be my opinions but still.

[@yari4046]

team lovecraft, cant beat the original

[@MrTao-iy2nf]

The term honor meant in the old days prosperity of being loyal to your lord in the feudal Japan. So maybe this system is like that but this baby cranked up to eleven

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

I mean... the Dreamlands are warp in horse steroids... there are things in dreamlands that would make Chaos gods afraid. Funny thing...all rules of physics in all realities and dimensions exists in Cuthulhu Mythos are the result of the DRUMS AND FLUTES PLAYED TO AZATOTH SO IT CAN CONTINUE TO SLEEP. Cuthulhu does NOT sleep in his city. His real self is quite awake and in the Void the thing that got hit by the boat was an avater CREATED FROM THE VOID. And Cuthulhu is a small fry compared to ACTUAL Ultimate Gods.

[@FffXdhgf]

You can actually argue that the Great Old ones are just beings from the void who have intelligence and is trying to influence their power outside of the chaos

[@Pridefallen975]

Lovecraftian Gods slaughters Chaos don't stand a chance

[@brotheralaric7177]

lovecraftian gods would easikly side with the Tyranids or maybe some really weird entity .

[@MEmoosetrax]

If you summon Azathoth he nukes a radius of several miles for pestering him

[@trajanfidelis1532]

Nyarlathotep vs. Tzeentch when?

[@paulsmart4672]

Hal just made better arguments. I think Eli missed a step here, though. Sure, the Lovecraftian Gods are in an absolute sense, more powerful than the Chaos Gods. The Chaos gods are a big deal in the milky way galaxy, but try to wrap your head around the scope of the observable universe. Superclusters and cosmic supervoids and stuff. Try to apply the Hubble or James Webb deep images to the portion of the sky they cover, and then consider that the observable universe may be an infintesimal fraction of the true universe, and the notion that Azathoth can just turn the whole thing off with a stray thought. *Will* do so, inevitably, and will attribute no significance to having done so. BUUUUT... so what? What does that mean in practical terms? What does that actually mean to you? It's one of those million things so far beyond your control that you don't need to bother to think about it. The chaos gods though? They are embodiment of things like the desire for pleasure, for accomplishment, of anger, of the fear of death and pain, of the desire for things to be some way other than the way they are. As more limited embodiments of very human emotions and concepts, the Chaos Gods can *not* be ignored. These are notions and feelings which a human can not escape.

[@daviddzyubanyuk4147]

Can you do Star Wars clones versus guardsman

[@silveriper3X]

The cthulu mythos has go exert there will to have worshipers, the chaos gods are an intrinsic part of the galaxy.

[@darkway-the-devourer]

just wanna point out that for people who dont know azathoths dreams dont make reality azathoth is just the strongest strength wise the actually one who is the strongest is yog'sothoth as they are everything ever

[@TheSchultinator]

As a narrative device, I don't see the sheer detachment of the Cthulu Mythos as a positive. With the gods being so old and powerful, they really don't do anything in the stories, whereas the Chaos gods are always a threat, and often an incredibly insidious and manipulative one. The Chaos gods can turn you into the very thing you sought to destroy without you realizing; anything positive can be twisted into damnation.

[@Honyi1]

With the Lovecraft gods, it's best to see them as forces of nature, Cthulhu isn't a villain, narratively speaking he's the hurricane, you do your best to hunker down and survive him as he passes. but theirs just something realatable with that fear of the unknown, that we have no concept of how powerful and terrifying these things truly are and how small we are compared to them. the idea that our minds are so weak and fragile that simply looking at them would send us into a spiral of insanity.

[@juliadwiggins-jo3fo]

All the chaos gods have to be contradictory that's part of chaos and also think about it.... If you have someone who would never make blood flow how could you get them too? Through certain principles like honor..... Its all just tactics to them to use.

[@teobratuteodor1728]

Its said in Lovecraftian lore to the gods like Cthulhu are not even full sentient same like animals, not sleeping just not sentient, at least not all of them.

[@ziadhulhok]

What?

[@batshit36]

I’m CATHOOOOOOOOOLING

[@garygordle5146]

i haven’t watched the video yet, but Yog Sothoth is quite literally the setting

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

PLEASE make The Culture vs 40k video. PLEASEEE

[@cultist1762]

I'm a Warhammer Fan but the arguments in favor for the Chaos gods over the Lovecraftian Gods just weren't strong. If you're merely appealing to Warhammer fans it might work but if you're trying to convince people who don't know much about the setting the argument is a loss.

[@LucaUmbriel]

Her cancelable name is why I stick to something far more appropriate: Shubby Mommy I never said it was more socially appropriate

[@dylanscheck7359]

Cuthulu mythos wins.

[@Bronasaxon]

Hail the King in Yellow!

[@belakor931]

Sergeant major Avery Johnson solos both the warp gods and the cthulu mythos

[@illusorydog4534]

Lovecraft’s cat solos 40k

[@kiran5964]

Abaddon vs Archaon when?

[@petra4385]

Alright I am writing this on friday and as per tradition (is it a tradition yet?) of my trying to see who can beat the shit out of who in your debate videos I will try and compare the Chaos Gods to the Cthulhu mythos. If I wanted to do a cop out I’d just compare the 4 gods together against Yog Sothoth but that’s boring. I will go into detail as to the cosmological shit…. It will be painful as this is comparing outerversal realms to outerversal realms here and I’m pretty sure if I could give a truly detailed explanation I’d join one of the pantheons or become a gator or I’ll suffer a fate worse than whatever the fuck happened to Collin’s beta cells. There’ll be a TL;DR at the end too. First off a big misconception I have to clear off. Azathoth is not dreaming everything up, this isn’t fucking skyrim, there’s no real interpretation where he does either as Yog Sothoth is meant to be the entire mythos and is stated to be above Azathoth on many of occasion. So sadly the Cthulhu mythos does not get the trophy of world’s most ridiculous cosmology by having an outer-outerversal entity Now there’s 2 ABSOLUTELY outerversal realms in 40k/AoS/Fantasy and in the Lovecraftian mythos. The Warp and the Void, which is inconvenient for me, is where both pantheons reside. The problem with scaling higher scale outerversal characters like the gods of both pantheons is that technically we can’t actually comprehend or even understand an actual difference in strength if such a thing exists. So we have to argue dumb shit or compare their weaker forms in reality or their followers’ strength. For the cancerous stuff, the warp is technically manipulatable by non warp entities which COULD be argued to make it in some part like lower on the outerversal scale but then you realize that the things that can influence or damage them are beings connected to the warp via their souls like living beings or the endless minions or creations of the C’tan which have made outerversal tier tech that is outerversal with STUPIDLY shittier power sources (the breath of the gods nearly wiped out the concept of the galaxy from reality in every universe within the 40k timeline while only running on a C’tan shard). OR by a humanity that was described by an AI as “on the brink of ascension” (vortex weaponry somehow doesn't allow for daemons to enter the material realm despite making a warp rift and it then FUCKING CLOSES IT BY FORCE without any apparent blackstone involved) ascension only being used in the context of the C’tan, becoming a C’tan tier entity, the Old ones and becoming a warp god…. So that becomes moot as fuck once looked into detail. So now we’re left to deal with the avatars of the gods or entities they possess OR their champions and it’s all downhill for all but 2 of the entities in the Lovecraftian mythos. There’s 2 things that would count as avatars for 40k, Malice/Malal being summoned by his chaos warband which I THINK blew up a planet, I have a distinct memory of that but couldn’t find the source OR the greater daemons… I’ll be doing the greater daemons since there’s significantly more scaling for them, I’ll also talk about the more juiced up followers… by that I mean Abbadon and Archeon because they’re the closest thing we have to a collective avatar of all the gods combined Right, the legit straight up physical manifestations of the stronger Lovecraft gods have to wait a good while before they can go ahead and blow up a planet. Greater daemons are seemingly built different if compared to the Lovecraftian dudes. As they’re at the very least comparable to the primarchs who are probably maybe kinda FUCKING DWARF STAR TO STAR LEVEL. This is because of 2 assholes in 40k scaling, Ferrus Manus and Eldrad Ulthran. Eldrad is compared the pre fall Eldar by a phoenix lord calling his power “not seen since the fall” said pre fall Eldar being said to ahem “Quench and forge stars” with the old elf fighting Fulgrim and losing when he was WAY younger AND Ferrus probably killed a C’tan shard with a transcendent C’tan shard of the deceiver of around 4-5 C’tan shards (the weakest C’tan like physically mind you) ahem “whipped 6 planets” in “The Infinite and the Divine” which kinda implies just fucking blowing them up in a near instant. Which is funnily enough not quite planetary level but DWARF STAR LEVEL as planetary is turning a world into an asteroid field while dwarf star level is more just eviscerating planet or blowing them up super fast which in my personal opinion would include “whipping them” into the past tense. Mind you this would be younger Ferrus, without his power armor or weapons so… yeah. Is think this dwarf star level stuff is applicable to Ferrus since a singular shard would do the same but to 1 planet instead of 6. A smol thing though. Being on dwarf star level doesn’t mean you can blow up a dwarf star now. It’s more a judgment of the energy behind a punch so think of the strikes like bullets, a bullet with insane kinetic energy hit a building the bullet doesn't spontaneously combust it just goes through the building. The C’tan shards can choose to have the same kinetic energy in a bomb so to speak Being comparable to that makes Greater Daemons significantly more powerful than what Lovecraftian gods’ avatars are shown to take a fucking while to get to in strength. Now for Abbadon and Archeon. Abbadon is in a similar situation to the greater daemons but just straight up fighting an older version of Eldrad and contending with the man in melee not casting spells but still. Archeon is a bit… himself. He (depending on interpretation of the end times) might’ve had the day job of blowing up universes as his day job before AoS and after Warhammer fantasy which would make the case for the Lovecraftian gods even worse since their avatars aren’t known for doing that by themselves. To add to this a very middling god in the pantheon known as Cthulhu had his avatar be momentarily stopped by a regular ass big fucking boat… so yeah. There are 2 entities that this doesn’t handicap known as Azathoth and Yog Sothoth. Azathoth is currently sleeping and every entity beneath him AKA everyone that isn’t Yog Sothoth has to actively keep it asleep as they’re seemingly worried of it waking up. Scared even. So it’s very likely it’s considerably more powerful than any of the entities which to me sounds like he’d be able to dunk on at least ONE of the gods… then there’s Yog Sothoth who is the entire fucking setting of the Cthulhu mythos which would include THE VOID aka basically the equivalent of the warp. Mind you the 4 have taken over most of the warp from what we can tell but the fact that ye olde entities like individual Aeldari gods and the C’tan during their peaks and probably some old dark age of tech human super weapons would dunk on the 4 collectively (we know this since Khaine after losing ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS FOLLOWERS in 40k was able to contend with individual chaos gods which would mean that peak Khaine worshiped by countless Duodecillions of Elves would be above all 4 together). The only thing that might contend is like Tzeentch when he was at his peak in 40k before he got shattered and Slaanesh right after their birth but I’d rather not get into that and I’ll just say it’s likely those 2 versions of Tzeentch and Slaanesh are comparable and would likely lose power quickly because Tzeentch wouldn’t want to win and Slaanesh WOULD DEFINITELY NEED TO FOR THE SETTING TO HAPPEN since it with every Eldar soul in it’s digestion system would be frankly too strong for any individual entity in the setting. With the Slaanesh thing maybe not even being THAT strong since it might’ve wasted lots of the power of the souls via being born as the other 3 were born from a multi million long war in heaven so it might just be harder to make a god via something shorter like 5K years of kinky sex or a singular orgy, so like consistency mattering a lot more than raw power…… or maybe it wasted them to get on a cocaine like high??? So it’s a bit fucking contentious. TL;DR: Yog Sothoth would probably dunk on all 4 combined, Azathoth would dunk on at least one and the rest are kinda fucked. For Yog Sothoth something more interesting would be the super weapons or gods during the peaks of all the species in the setting be it in the war in heaven or during the dark age of tech (since that’s when humanity and the Eldar’s peaks were). Since they're far above the current 4 chaos gods combined.

[@Readingeye]

Sorry Hal, but my vote's gotta go for Chaos. Mostly cause Lovecraft was a coward. "ooo, I don't understand what I'm looking at isn't it so terrifying?" like, HP, dude, I look at stuff that doesn't make sense all the time. We all do. The fear factor wears off quickly. Also, Cthulhu is lame once you get past his design. Dude doesn't actually do anything but sleep.

[@djangofett4879]

yeah the dude keeps saying that the lovecraftian entities don't care about us and are way far away somewhere where we're never going to see them and they're just going about their business completely ignoring us. then he mentions that chaos is completely beholden to its desire to cause suffering to humanity and extinguish us. He is arguing against his own premise. he is very confident about it too 😂. he perfectly summed up why chaos is much more frightening

[@stewartthorpe2533]

I mean, sorry 40k bros, but lovecraft mythos gods... humans only exist on accident and because humans insignificant to them

[@djangofett4879]

Lovecraft entities do not care about us and just ignore us. chaos entities live only to cause a suffering and wipe us out. which is the greater threat?

[@kingleech16]

Lovecraftian gods talk a lot of smack, but go strangely quiet upon hearing a Glaswegian accent demanding garden gnomes…

[@ziadhulhok]

Wtf is that plus Lovecraftian gods don't even talk lol

[@kingleech16]

@@ziadhulhok Old Man Henderson

[@ziadhulhok]

@@kingleech16 oh but that shit ain't even part of Cthulhu mythos in the first place so it's useless.

[@juggawheels420]

reality isnt a dream of a lovecraft deity. wronge mythos

[@ShadowFox178]

Cthulhu isn't a god. He is a prophet of the gods.

[@kingzseventh7017]

Lovecraft universe spites negatvie difficulty. 1 dreamer could destroy warhammer 40k galaxy a Norden could whipe the chaos gods out. Great old ones and elder gods are described as incomprehensible beings with incomprehensible power. They live in the outside which is beyond any reality or form of existence

[@datmedic2857]

10:28 cadia stands :DDDDDd

[@stewartthorpe2533]

Azathoth. There is no contest.

[@doubledeputyd4242]

You forgot about Malal.

[@dukedevlan5457]

Everyone has

[@doubledeputyd4242]

@@dukedevlan5457 So you think

[@jamieenoshima5147]

I WILL BECOME CANON!

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

Kaos cant beat humies Mork n Gork iz az powerzful az they wantz.

[@drow_Lilith9940]

Chaos vs cthulu both weak nagash is right choice

[@LordMiraakedits2142]

Poor Warhammer 😔

[@bigbugabuu]

Chaos gods won

[@FffXdhgf]

Do they transcend forms, symmetry, angularity, dimensions, spatiality, temporality, space, infinite multiverse existing as a atom to the greater multiverse and each of those has a infinite structure and all of this existing as a dream inside the Dreamland which is made out of infinite higher existence?

[@Waaaltz_]

@@FffXdhgf The fact that there are no Omnipotent being in WH40K clearly says how they would get absolutely stomped by Cthulu Mythos.

[@djangofett4879]

the lovecraftian threat does not come anywhere close to the threat posed by chaos. the fact that chaos spawns from humanity's suffering and seeks only to amplify the suffer which spawned them makes them much more terrifying than some distant entity that doesnt even care we exist. the threat from chaos is immediate and tangible. losing your mind is still not as terrifying as being turned into a pile of rotted decay in a matter of seconds or being torn apart like a paper bag by just one of a giant army of blood thirsty demons. what is the world's scariest movie in your opinion? one that really get under your skin and makes you uncomfortable. now imagine a rabid doberman that is attacking you and biting gouges into your flesh. on a conceptual level, the movie is probably scarier but the rabid dog is scarier in a tangible way. would you rather live in lovecraftian universe (just avoid weird little towns for the most part and you'll be ok) or would you rather live on a 40k hive planet which is becoming tainted by chaos? I'd pick lovecraft universe. seems cozy by comparison Lovecraft= ooh, im afraid of the dark 40K = even if we might survive the chaos, the inquisition will still blow up the planet, we are completely f***ed

[@lowlsqwid]

lovecraft = god is real and it hates us 40k = god is real and it needs us. Going insane from interacting with the lovecraft gods is only the tip of the iceberg.

[@Bruce19066]

honestly i just think the lovecraft stuff is boring. The Concept of "They don't need us, they don't care about us" takes all of the interest away. Oh noooo the big tentacel monster always wins and there is nothing no one could ever do against it. its just boring. I love the asthetics yes and the concepts of some of them are very cool but.. why would i be interested in them? Why would i care? They just kill me of anyway. The Chaos Gods at least give a shit, have two sides on there coin and mean something for everything in the universe. Also i don't quite believe that Lovecrafts creations can easily take on the chaos gods, we have seen in fantasy that they conquered the universe and while that one was gone they just continued with others, they are powerhouses which are (how i interpered them) are too powerful for manifesting in real space. To kill them is to kill all of their're concepts which.. just isnt happening. You can kill all humans but all the other races will be around so they continoue to exist. The Lovecraftian gods are laughibly overpowered yes but so are honestly the chaos gods considering what they're chosen have done across all versions of warhammer. The Chaos Gods can't manifest in they're true forms in real space because it would be an auto win for Chaos. But great debate from both sides there.