Chapo Trap House - JFK Movie Review

[@gaulicwarlord]

“Inherently distrustful of the intelligence community but still voted for Bill Clinton” is the one of the most perfect descriptions of my parents I have ever heard lmao

[@AMANAPLANACANALPANTS]

who else would they “vote” for

[@David-wc5zl]

And you think this means what? Clinton is the son of a single mother from a small town in Arkansas. While Bush *ran the CIA*. Holy moly, fake commies are so naive.

[@shinjinobrave]

1:14:40 Chapo lathe of heaven strikes again, damn

[@function0077]

Yes, this discussion, immediately made me think of what went down at Trump's rally in PA.

[@unclegumbald989]

😱

[@odmcclintic]

Absolutely love this movie for the unintentional camp masterpiece that it is. Infinitely quotable. Every. Single. Actor. Is acting through the roof. John Candy smokes a cigarette with crab cakes in his mouth! Need I say more!

[@yam83]

B8

[@sifunmon]

Ya dig dadio?

[@strangebrew1231]

The way he says big enchilada is bliss

[@richardrallo6605]

God fucking bless John Candy!

[@matthedlund502]

Very entertaining up until the courtroom sequences.

[@lachlanmclennan2188]

I listen to this every 7 months

[@patrickflanagan3762]

I thought it was hilarious in THE IRISHMAN when Joe Pesci's Russell Bufalino is giving directions to Frank Sheeran during his gun delivery to David Ferrie, and he makes fun of Ferrie's appearance.

[@DoggyHateFire]

It hit uncomfortably close to home when Matt was talking about drawing a conspiracy chart in his notebook at school

[@sugar_walls]

hahaha when oliver stone wass on chapo, menaker completely agreed with him that the jfk administration was the hope & change administration

[@joebo1041]

Yeah I think Will's opinion on the JFK assassination has evolved since they recorded this.

[@sugar_walls]

@@joebo1041 which one came first

[@joebo1041]

@@sugar_walls pretty sure this is from a few years ago and the Oliver Stone interview was several months ago.

[@thomasowens3135]

Oh so they’re just internet characters with opinions that change with the company in the room. Huh, never would have imagined such a thing…

[@shinjinobrave]

I didn't listen to that episode, but aren't they just friendly guys in real life who don't want to be antagonistic to guests?

[@PR0MAN01]

I love the theory that the CIA weren't intentionally trying to kill Kennedy, just spook him with an attempt on his life to get him in their corner on everything they wanted to do. But it was ruined when LHO hit the greatest headshot of all time and split Kennedys wig. The plan fucked up by LHO being the coolest fucking guy ever.

[@Johnconno]

And Gay.

[@karltonkinley3745]

my last 4 days at the office i’ve been graced with an acid marxist upload at midday #blessed

[@marcusmalone]

Similar age, and I also saw this in the cinema as a kid and actually thought I wouldn't live thru the night cos the gov would round up everyone who'd witnessed 'the truth' before shutting the film down 😳🤐

[@pantsedjuniorhayseed4816]

srsly, have you never heard of a "limited hangout"?? like the govt would just let some grave truth like that just be broadcast to the public like that. get a clue dude!!!!! goddamn Americans are so CRINGE

[@ChewyThomson]

C64 rules

[@marcusmalone]

@@ChewyThomson hehe totes!

[@CartersRemasters]

Felix is on fire on this episode, his jokes about the bigger and smaller drunks was great!

[@Instramark]

I am a 67 year old serious JFK researcher, these guys make me laugh and willing to take another look at that great film.

[@ryans756]

Oh you are? A serious researcher? Then you know that Oswald was the lone shooter and no conspiracy is necessary in order to explain what happened that day. Right?

[@wolfwilliams]

Exactly, but wait for the conspiracy clowns to come calling...

[@HonestObserver]

Dang it’s a good movie but I wouldn’t spend over fifty years to research it

[@mc5967]

​@@ryans756you're insane if you think that

[@honestabe411]

@@ryans756did you read the deathbed confession of one of the secret service agents regarding where the magic bullet came from? It was in the NYT

[@AffectionateBrain-yf4sq]

MK Ultra doctor Jolly West being assigned to Jack Ruby in jail is crazy. Ruby "went crazy" before dying of cancer.

[@Nolant.]

Ruby was always crazy even before he killed Oswald.

[@corymcpherson1235]

We’re through the looking glass here people!

[@tommyhowsthepeeping]

what if isntead of jfk it was gay f gay and the movie was the same nothing changed because of all the gay maifia

[@sleepful1917]

so fuckin true

[@Loe_Jist]

Hell yeah dude

[@aLime404]

Nick Mullen burner account spotted

[@achmeineye]

Omg xfiles theme

[@ryandavidtrapasso]

I also love men, fellow gay

[@rileyrobertson7067]

A once-great filmmaker at the *absolute* height of his powers, critically showered and commercially gold-dusted, using his undeniable skill to conduct a remarkable cast/crew in the production of a film that BEGS the viewer to at the very least *question* our government. I agree with the Chapo (And general assessment) that on a pure filmic level this is an undisputeable masterpiece. Somehow near three hours flow by as a frankly fucking batshit premise unfurls. A great watch and even a wonderful spark for the right & curious young mind to go on in their own research afterwards, but just as likely to condemn a wrong-headed paranoid to a lifetime of red string. Also to stop jerking off the academic part of my brain, JFK was no fucking "King" and were it not for his assassination would be either forgotten or perhaps even mocked

[@pietzsche]

James Ellroy's American Tabloid is masterful at presenting Kennedy, another historical fiction about the assassination, even better than JFK if anything (from an artistic pov) "Jack the Haircut"

[@eduardosuarez2414]

American Tabloid and The Cold Six Thousand are masterpieces that need to be made into miniseries, ASAP. You can almost imagine them in the same style as JFK with that soundtrack.

[@pietzsche]

@@eduardosuarez2414 There's a third part now too, Blood's a Rover, well worth a read, although most of the early characters are gone. Iirc Bruce Willis was the last person to have the rights, but he wanted to play Pete, so I'm kinda glad that didn't happen

[@eduardosuarez2414]

@@pietzsche I know but I don't think it matches up to the first two. His last one, Perfidia, was kind of a disappointing fan service where he tries to cram in every character from all the other LA stories. I've read pretty much all Ellroy but there's something about the underworld trilogy that just slaps. EDIT: I just realised he released another one since then so I'll have to go read that!

[@pietzsche]

@@eduardosuarez2414 I agreed with it not matching up on the first read, but second time around I had a mu higher opinion of it. I might read more Ellroy, but I don't think it'll hit those highs again really

[@Waltertull1889]

Been listening since 2018 and I still can’t believe how many movie episodes there are. Keep ‘em comin👍🏽

[@yuothineyesasian]

How did you guys get through this without talking about John Candy as Dean Andrews? Best performance in the whole film.

[@ryans756]

Well if you'd listened up until 1:20:47 you would have heard exactly that.

[@jmacdon4]

You got the right ta ta but the wrong ho ho

[@richardrallo6605]

I liked your comment for your statement then took it back for your question.

[@tothefinlandstation]

Be curious to hear them revisit this movie, or explain how and why their thinking about the Kennedy assassination has changed.

[@IndieGinge]

Their relationship with Michael S. Judge may be part of it. His Death is Just Around the Corner podcast is an erduite JFK truther voice, and I know that Matt has adopted some of Judge's ideas (namely that the Cold War was in fact, WW3 and that was just kept out of the imperial core)

[@tracepuckett619]

This clip got me to read libra. Now I'm making a fertilizer bomb inside an undisclosed compound.

[@tracywhite8244]

I would have been your friend at 13….I also watched the movie over and over in junior high (graduated in 96). Love this analysis!

[@ryans756]

It's the only film I hate that I've watched numerous times and will watch again :)

[@josephcarver5860]

This movie is the closest we will get to an American Tabloid adaptation, and that is beng generous.

[@pietzsche]

Bruce Willis tried to make it, and wanted to play Pete. Thank god it didn't happen.

[@tomdoh345]

At about the 50 minute mark you are reviewing the reasons for the assassination. When this movie was made, most people had no idea how much Israel was mad at JFK for not wanting them to get nukes. We learned about how deep the chasm was on later declassification data dumps. With this in view, the mafia connection is most probably not the Italian one but more likely the Lansky/Montreal/French connection one who Jack Ruby worked for. After all the Mossad/CIA/Lansky drug pipeline wanted the Vietnam war to protect it. Lucien Sarti of the French Connection makes much more sense as the real assassin than any of the others (Sarti was shot to death in early 1970s in gun battle with Mexico City police).

[@superneko99]

yes king

[@coreygolphenee9633]

God damn I hope the Epstein rabbit hole ages like this fine wine

[@jonathandempsey9228]

Especially once you learn the Israel that was created is not the Israel talked about in the Bible.

[@robertthain4330]

That is a compelling avenue of potential investigation that - to the best of my knowledge - no-one has written on in any depth.

[@danzemacabre8899]

Once you dig into the LBJ rabbit hole , it's hard to get out. I thoroughly believe he had a part and I believe that is the one detail that's so damaging they won't release the rest of the files that implicate him and Hoover, the CIA, and the highest ranks of the military to have him removed . If that sounds preposterous so does a leader being murdered on the senate floor being stabbed to death by the members of the senate and that certainly happened.

[@jkujo95]

The dedication to the youth of America at the end is because right before they reference how long it'll take before the relevant documents to be declassified; Though unlikely they'd ever declassify something implicating the CIA in this case. Also, I'm gay

[@nowaht]

I remember how crushed I was discovering this movie wasn't 100% factual

[@Badtown1988]

It’s not even 50% factual.

[@nowaht]

@@Badtown1988 thank you for that.

[@Nolant.]

Not even 15% factual

[@benty4735]

As far back as I can remember i always wanted to be a member of the gay deep state

[@taylorleibel4327]

The park bench matt is wondering about in the scene with X is a real thing lol, it's on the site where the Vietnam memorial is now I think -guy who bikes in DC a lot

[@steelersguy74]

If they decide to go on another conspiracy movie roll, I’d be interested in hearing their take on Shoot the Messenger.

[@caltodd885]

One of my favourite movies, keep up the cracking work guys, be awesome to join you all on a movie review

[@asdfasfasdfful]

Do not forget your fallen king

[@tommyhowsthepeeping]

his name is virgil texas and all he wanted to do was help young women write essays!!!!

[@justcommenting4981]

@@tommyhowsthepeeping nice.

[@Allen55919]

Just rewatched the directors cut a second time and god damn this movie is so good until the trial

[@MarcusStenberg]

1:14:38 So they listened to your podcast i guess. "Check this out, we're gonna shoot his ear off"

[@mickeycharbagz]

I've listened to this a million times. God bless these lads and get well soon Matt!

[@zsoro9300]

Felix doing drunkard phrenology

[@jackjones4248]

17:33 no one called it Camelot at the time, it wasn't until Jackie did an interview a few years later

[@Badtown1988]

No one has ever accused Oliver Stone of being well-read.

[@kxkxkxkx]

The JFK Camelot myth was invented by his wife and friendly journalists in order to cover up the many actual mafia murder and sex secrets of the Kennedy clan ☝️

[@CzolgoszWorkinMan]

exactly none of this trash talk to Stone’s face when they had the chance lmao

[@ElPINGAS9000]

he doesnt know

[@Purkinje90]

@@ElPINGAS9000 know what?

[@leodelgadocaula]

he. doesn't. know.

[@kxkxkxkx]

They're a bunch of cowards 😮surprise!

[@JimmyJames10-k7v]

@@kxkxkxkxhow do u even see him ??

[@nowheredan27]

The killing of JFK being the original sin that created the "new America" makes so much sense that I'm angry I never thought of it before.

[@EdwardAppleby-xk1yq]

america's original sin was slavery/genocide of native americans

[@karsten11553]

"Somebody accidently shot the president in the head" is fairly stupid, even for a conspiracy theory.

[@pluckyduck11y]

Yeah, I'm thinking if they wanted to just send Jack the message that they meant business, couldn't they have just killed his brother first?

[@Eamonshort1]

Love Will but i get a terrible feeling, like an anti-ASMR effect every time he says "rawther"

[@PurushaDesa]

This film feels like you're being attacked by video footage. The editing is so violent, it's like Schoonmaker without her being there. I imagine the pacing is even more relentless in the theatrical cut because I've only seen the longest version.

[@edszewczyk]

You guys do know that Jim Garrison did not personally try that case in court, don’t you? He had his assistant DA’s try it. Nothing like the dramatic final argument ever happened.

[@JohnJohnson-pq4qz]

yes and no, for example Garrison's explanation of the magic bullet with the chart, happened in his TV rebuttal. and things like that, all kinds of sources were compressed into the final climatic court scene for dramatic effect but nothing was 'made up'. The most important part of the trail is often over looked which was a public showing of the Z film, that was a very big deal at the time.

[@comedylover623]

@@JohnJohnson-pq4qz The "fact" that Garrison gave a dramatic closing statement to the jury was entirely made up. It never happened. The various arguments presented in the movie have been made at various times but not in any way as presented in the movie. It's 100% dishonest.

[@valk5045]

Wow, now I know where the Majority Report introduction comes from

[@berdyderg900]

Forgot that show exists, still unwatchable lib garbage without Michael I assume?

[@valk5045]

@@berdyderg900 You assume.

[@berdyderg900]

@@valk5045 don't get offended, I used to actually be a big fan. Just when Michael passed and there was no one to push back on the girl who's name I'm forgetting it was unwatchable (the one with 2 DNC parents, you know who I mean for sure)

[@ndf3]

@@berdyderg900 correct

[@valk5045]

@@berdyderg900 You used to be a big fan, and then you went to where you are now. Wherever that is.

[@whentheleveebreaks4732]

David Fairy. Get it?

[@jbholmes99]

Ferrie

[@whentheleveebreaks4732]

You didn’t get it.

[@rosaluxemburg1670]

I Had No Idea Ben Garrison had a movie made about him.

[@garcalej]

You know, it’s only just occurred to me, but Oswald is just basically Ignatius Reilly from Toole’s Confederacy of Dunces, except he lost a bunch of weight and switched from being a trad cath to a wannabe revolutionary.

[@sesfilmsllc]

Back and to the left.

[@adamazzalino5247]

"Father-leader," I'm dead lol

[@millhousemillard2140]

Chapo believes the magic bullet theory 😂😂😂

[@damianalejandro6959]

They changed their mind about this

[@MichaelSotoCE]

Did they? When?

[@mc5967]

​@@MichaelSotoCE pretty extensively as of the last few years

[@MichaelSotoCE]

what do you mean?@@mc5967

[@justoneofmany]

Oliver Stone was a man on a mission, driven when he made this. Begging the question; what was he doing with Savages?

[@thewkovacs316]

mission bought and paid for by russian intel

[@justoneofmany]

@@thewkovacs316 lol. receipts?

[@kxkxkxkx]

Oliver Stone been pushing KGB propaganda for decades... See his fawning interviews with Castro and Putin for the clearest examples 🚩

[@monsignorerasmus.6441]

X was based on General L Fletcher Proudy. He went the path of Bo Gritz

[@Badtown1988]

The shitty thing about all this is that Stone is such a good filmmaker, he probably could have made an equally exciting film with the actual facts if he actually took the time to.

[@Davidbld]

Then check out Stone's documentary JFK: Through the Looking Glass (2021) which explores what we know now since the Stone film was released in the 90s. It makes a much more thoughtful and convincing case for conspiracy.

[@Badtown1988]

@@Davidbld Lol, he chose to just ignore evidence when he made JFK, why would I trust his take now?

[@MichaelSotoCE]

I mean there's a pretty good ratio of fact to bs even compared to other historical dramas

[@inurokuwarz]

This came on my autoplay while I was sleeping an it influenced my dream to be about a gay cabal rigging an election.

[@wyattthewallaby7018]

1:13:22 this would make for such a good comedy someone needs to get on this

[@WheresMyInhaler]

One of the best Chapo episodes, let alone best movie episode.

[@twistedoperator4422]

It seems Chapo is taking down this channel. Only 19 videos missing from the playlist.

[@Martinroadsguy]

Lol, my ex-gf worked on this movie too.

[@MarxistLasagnaist420]

This is definitely the worst chapo take. There’s a difference between JFK & his administration. I understand that the movie is a bit of a hagiography on the man but I think it’s pretty clear that Kennedy was beginning to have a change of heart about things. Especially after getting stabbed in the back over Bay Of Pigs and that leading him to realize how gung ho his generals were to go full nuclear on Cuba and Vietnam and his growing relationship with Mary Meyer, her being openly anti-war and pro-LSD. (Which she said she convinced Kennedy to take with her) As for the assassination thing I understand not wanting to put too much stock in the Garrison Trial and Shaw & Ferry but I think Stone is correct in the broad strokes. It’s not a conspiracy to say intelligence & military will outsource wet work to organized crime and militant groups. That’s a common MO overseas.

[@ryans756]

And yet it's still a hell of a leap to go from THAT to "We're going to outsource the assassination of the President". Has anyone done THAT "overseas"?

[@MarxistLasagnaist420]

@@ryans756 what? Yes that’s exactly what they do. It’s usually not card carrying CIA agents who pull the trigger.

[@ryans756]

@@MarxistLasagnaist420 Dude, c'mon. We're grownups.

[@MarxistLasagnaist420]

@@ryans756 you think Oswald was a lone wolf?

[@ryans756]

@@MarxistLasagnaist420 Wolf? No. A lone nut. A detailed examination of Oswald's life leads me to believe that no outside influences were necessary for the planning or the crime itself. I can go into some detail if you like. Wolf is the wrong term because it suggests he was something more than he was, a rogue, a dude, a badass, when in fact he was quite an unfortunate loser. (So am I! So I don't hold that against him.) But in all honesty, while I'm 100% certain he was the only shooter on the day, I'm only about 95% sure there was no conspiracy. It is possible that he was urged to do what he did, by whoever, but no reliable evidence of it. The narrative of a lone nut trying for many years to find a home, to be important, and failing, and taking it out on JFK, is perfectly sufficient.

[@dukewillum]

Great movie. But the facts are in Legacy of Secrecy (Waldron, Hartmann).

[@hoggers7572]

Kevin Bacon bought Footloose Bad Boy Vibes

[@rorylynch1203]

Did anyone have the constitution to stomach that James Franco show long enough to find out if it has any good stuff on the assassination?

[@MichaelSotoCE]

I think it's more of a dramatic romance

[@unclegumbald989]

When are they gonna review “Nixon” it’s so good 😫

[@Operation_Lukey]

I really wanna see both of the Oliver Stone JFK films

[@Paul-ly5ht]

Story aside the first film is just god tier cinematography. So many different styles and film stocks were used, in switches from muted colors to black and white to deep color 35mm. Just that alone along with John Williams’ brilliant score makes it a must watch.

[@a.champagne6238]

Read the book "False Witness" by Patricia Lambert for the real story of the Clay Shaw trial.

[@nickbooze9766]

Worst Chapo take. Might as well have been a Pod Save America episode.

[@GrimReader]

I don't think the Jons would say fucked in the ass or goof about the homosexual underground plotting against presidents

[@GodPlaysNintendo]

Such an amazing cast, and they all had force an awful nawlans accent

[@otanky296]

Dog? Gay.

[@niccage6375]

Oliver stone might be the only famous larouche follower lol

[@drdrai7479]

1:14:35 holy shit Will called the Trump assassination attempt

[@jfrsnjhnsn]

Did Chapo ever review the Nixon movie by Stone?

[@sifunmon]

Don’t think so, they definitely should

[@mrblobby7864]

I think the movie has good bits and amazing performances but the story is way too convoluted and over long. Imo Nixon is a far better Oliver Stone movie about this era of American politics.

[@edszewczyk]

With the return of Trump we may experience the extreme rightwing version of Oliver Stone paranoia.

[@DunkmeisterFresh]

Dramatic shift in tone.

[@matttriano]

Great fucking movie

[@theREALChadsexinton]

The best take on the JFK assassination came from Chomsky. When asked about it, he basically said “who cares. JFK sucked.”

[@roundabout468]

Stupidest take possible

[@sifunmon]

How is that the best take ?

[@theREALChadsexinton]

@@sifunmon Ask a Vietnamese child that has been deformed by JFK's Agent Orange. Read Latin American history on how he was preparing to invade Brazil after his failure in Cuba. Or read "Dark Side of Camelot" by Seymour Hersh.

[@throwaway7403]

The point isn't was jfk a good guy it's that intelligence agencies killed the head of state and its a good general idea of when the military industrial complex became blatantly the sole force behind our foreign adventures prior to lbj the president atkeast had the public perception of someone who could control the military even though obviously Kennedy wanted to see Castro dead as much as anyone he could still decommission/defund Cia training facilities in an attempt to seem less hawkish, after he got greased every subsequent president has been a complete meat puppet for intelligence agencies and the MIC

[@trentwolfgram9571]

Figures Chomsky would say that. As soon as JFK starts sucking less, as in, drawing down tensions after the missile crisis, firing Allen Dulles, claiming he wants to smash the CIA into a thousand pieces, and making a deal with the Soviets to remove Jupiter missiles in return for the Cuban missile removal, he gets capped. Totally normal and definitely not indicating a security state gone completely rogue.

[@millhousemillard2140]

I will not here slander of fletcher prouty

[@deaddropholiday]

My main problem with the film is that it was built (both narratively and structurally) to legitimize the idea that the Zapruder Film is an accurate representation of what took place that day. Which is problematic because it doesn't corroborate the eye-witness testimony. In the film you see Kennedy's head get blown apart like Robert Patrick's liquid metal Terminator in T2. But the Parkland doctors were ADAMANT there was no such damage aside from a clean hole in the right, rear occipital region. Also, it's worth noting that you never see Kennedy's limo in those crucial seconds when eye-witnesses claim it drove (deliberately?) wide and either came to a complete stop or appeared to do so. Why is the Z-film being a partial or a full fabrication important? Because the speed of the camera was used as the basis for all timings related to shooting. I don't believe for one moment Oswald took a shot (how could he if the Parkland doctors were claiming the shots came from the opposition direction?) - but if you can no longer rely on the event clock (the speed of the Bell & Howell camera) you have no idea about how long the attack took. At the very least I'd say the Z-film has been edited (certainly the cataclysmic head shot is a fabrication) with an unknown number of frames being excised completely. But it could be a fabrication. The tools and technology (an optical printer, primarily) existed and were in use for many many years, as did the skilled people to operate it (I'd be looking at some of those folks over at Lookout Mountain Studios who would later play a role in the effects for George Lucas' Star Wars). And they had the film under wraps for a long, long time.

[@osamabinliner9781]

I guys Oswald did it 🙄

[@MWcrazyhorse]

Jack Rubinstein.

[@glovearm]

So JFK's assassination wasn't a conspiracy? 🤣...FOH!

[@post1113]

I believe Oswald was a lone nut, acting alone, but I still love this movie!

[@bpalpha]

I'm sure you know who John Liggett was, the mortician who disappeared with his family for a while and only returned home once Ruby had shot Oswald. Put in the work before you make a stupid statement like, "i believe Oswald acted alone".

[@JimmyJames10-k7v]

@@bpalphaOswald did it

[@jackzaccardi1896]

These young shots can't say a sentence without saying "like" 10 times.

[@bbegins10]

Maybe the weakest ever Chapo episode. Read JFK and the Unspeakable, and the Devill's Chessboard

[@joebo1041]

This episode is from a few years ago I think. Their opinion on the assassination seems to align more with Oliver Stone if you've heard them talk about it recently.

[@MrGrass97]

Joe Bo Which is a shame because Chapo is way more on the money with this episode.

[@joebo1041]

@@MrGrass97 Well what they get wrong is how much of a left turn JFK really was making and how deliberate and organized the assasination was.

[@EdwardAppleby-xk1yq]

@@joebo1041like JFK wouldve become more left eventually?

[@joebo1041]

@@EdwardAppleby-xk1yq my comment is over 2 years old. How do you know I'm not dead?

[@kxkxkxkx]

Funny how Chapo and the KGB all love the same thing 🗽 what a coincidence!

[@zachflame123]

This movie is super sloppy and clumsily made

[@endthedrugwartoday]

Who knew? You too could get a Russian bride during the Cold War?! Really!?!