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Charles Manson: America's Most Infamous Cult Leader

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The Casual Criminalist

The Casual Criminalist

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@TheCasualCriminalist
@TheCasualCriminalist 3 жыл бұрын
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@Raventooth
@Raventooth 3 жыл бұрын
You must also consider that Manson may have been an MK-Ultra experiment during his early days of prison. So this, if true, would have given him the groundwork for brainwash.
@wesbeuning1733
@wesbeuning1733 3 жыл бұрын
I would pay to watch Simon react to Tarantino's "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood..."
@theOneOnlyTed
@theOneOnlyTed 3 жыл бұрын
Remember to keep variety. Some mass murders, a cult, a heist, and then something spectacular, like that girl who remembered her kidnappers dentist. I worry about you sometimes.
@Maven0666
@Maven0666 3 жыл бұрын
I’m really looking forward to this. I love your opinions!
@Raventooth
@Raventooth 3 жыл бұрын
@@theOneOnlyTed like a variety hour! I always knew Simon reminded me of a game show host on here.
@imorca1994
@imorca1994 3 жыл бұрын
Simon: I'm not interested in manipulating masses of people. Also Simon: Creates an EMPIRE of podcasts and youtube channels.... Hmmmm.... I blame the beard.
@Maven0666
@Maven0666 3 жыл бұрын
I blame the sarcastic English humour.
@thejudgmentalcat
@thejudgmentalcat 3 жыл бұрын
I blame the early hairloss
@bannankev
@bannankev 3 жыл бұрын
The beard even has its own oils… 👀
@babscabs1987
@babscabs1987 3 жыл бұрын
Does he work in a FACTory?
@deviantoutcast
@deviantoutcast 3 жыл бұрын
​@@bannankev The beard even has its own cult. It started as a small, local, participant driven self-help group for facial hair, but soon it went on to increasingly more conspiracy theory focused and polarizing narratives. From there it just escalated, and became radicalized and enamored with its own, self promotional message; No more invitations of the Backside Crevice Follicles Motivational Speakers to do guest appearances on the No Brush 4 You Awareness Night. No. From then onwards, everything centered around pomade discipline, mandatory think stroking, and late night RMT(s)T - Re-educational Moustache Twirling (smugness) Training - oftentimes going on until early morning when started all over again. As all outside contact was cut off and clean shaven, things soon came to the head. Though the Beard still - to this day - denies any and all culpability, outside watch groups, defectors and whistleblowers has all along recognized, and reported on, the Beard as the sole perpetrator and willful instigator in the gruesome - and tragic - murder of The Hair. [N.B. Current sightings by trusted sources reports on the Beard to be flourishing, freely roaming the lower areas of the Whistler Visage. --E.d.]
@Charley.Farley
@Charley.Farley 2 жыл бұрын
I *LOVE* Jen’s sense of humour thrown in with her editing. She’s awesome.
@TischTosh
@TischTosh 2 жыл бұрын
Was this Jen? This one is REALLY well done!
@RavingKats
@RavingKats Жыл бұрын
@@Amlaeuxrai apologies, I wasn't awake enough and misread the comment
@tootsieluv4777
@tootsieluv4777 2 жыл бұрын
Three social taboos not to be spoken outside your closest circle of friends and family: 1. Politics 2. Religion 3. Finances This was taught to me at a young age and I will always remember the lesson.
@jerseydevil1
@jerseydevil1 Жыл бұрын
I’ll remember this in the future lol we talk about all these things. Never goes bad despite several disagreements. Lol even at the big family cook outs we literally argue about it but leave hugging eachother
@swbigfan1
@swbigfan1 Жыл бұрын
I've always subscribed to a similar theory, except I swap finances for abortion in position #3. Having come from and still being in a lower income area, everyone know now one has much money so there's no big restriction on taking about it. Though to be honest I consider it merely a general guideline in most of life, and only when at work does it's become an absolute law.
@birdrat2656
@birdrat2656 10 ай бұрын
Bruh the first thing people ask about you is what you do for work which already tells them how much you make, these days people walk around with political messages and flags on their shirts, cars and homes, and your religion is pretty guessable based on how you present yourself.
@b4tman_and_Rob1n
@b4tman_and_Rob1n 4 ай бұрын
i was gonna say politics, religion and bodily fluids/ functions lol. My mum is a nurse and brings stuff up at the dinner table that you REALLY do not need to hear whilst trying to eat
@droomzy
@droomzy 3 ай бұрын
@@b4tman_and_Rob1nyeah I imagine it places a damper on your meal if someone mentions a bedpan or something similar ☠️
@yareyaredaze4575
@yareyaredaze4575 3 жыл бұрын
To keep with the theme of cult leaders, you should definitely cover Jim Jones. Very interesting in how he was able to manipulate hundreds of people into abandoning their loved ones and going into another country.
@wingerding
@wingerding 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like some people might like this these days.
@breannacamarillo
@breannacamarillo Жыл бұрын
He manipulated people to leave their loved ones...oh and also to MURDER their own children and spouses and then kill themselves so yeah, I'd say he was pretty influential.
@debbylou5729
@debbylou5729 11 ай бұрын
They had already abandoned their families. That was the point. The cult WAS the family
@grimcatmysteries8841
@grimcatmysteries8841 7 ай бұрын
Personally I think that Joel olstein guy is definitely a cult leader. He just gives me the creeps. My mom and I argued about until I pointed out how he lives in a mansion but you never hear a word about him actually helping people. Thank God she stopped listening to him. ....well me watching a bunch of documentaries on cult may have helped...
@insanityskies48
@insanityskies48 3 жыл бұрын
I misheard him when he said Manson's mom sold him. I heard "she sold him for a *picture* of beer" and though wow that must be a really good picture to sell your kid for it, I wanna see it. And then several minutes later, realized he said *pitcher* of beer, and haven't felt that dumb in a WHILE 😳
@dlarsh
@dlarsh 3 жыл бұрын
I feel slightly better knowing I wasn't the only one to mishear that line
@dancecommando
@dancecommando 3 жыл бұрын
I heard that too, sort of reframes the whole scenario doesn't it
@thelazygamingpanda3973
@thelazygamingpanda3973 4 ай бұрын
That must be some good beer
@florabolter7321
@florabolter7321 3 жыл бұрын
Surely “the most dangerous cult leader” would be Jim Jones ? Or Thug Behram ? Or in a different vein Shoko Asahara or the Heaven’s gate duo ? Would like to see your take on these guys (in the Criminalist podcast).
@davecannabis
@davecannabis 3 жыл бұрын
i would put Trump as most dangerous cult leader, he almost stole a whole country for his cult
@studentdrake
@studentdrake 3 жыл бұрын
@@davecannabis bs
@herrschmidt5477
@herrschmidt5477 3 жыл бұрын
Asahara isn't really murican. But jeah i always wonder why people make such a big thing out of that little manchild. He is just a really wacky weirdo and happened to stumble over 5 1/2 even dumber weirdos who followed his bs.
@Azulakayes
@Azulakayes 3 жыл бұрын
Jim Jones takes the crown
@jessicah4462
@jessicah4462 3 жыл бұрын
@@davecannabis You feel better now? Did you move Trump around in your head without bumping into anything? What am I saying, of course not! Has to be something to bump. It’s alright, dear he’s all settled again. Carry on.
@zacharyschram9855
@zacharyschram9855 3 жыл бұрын
My grandmother was once contacted by one of the attorneys involved in the Manson family trial due to the fact that she shared the name of one of the women, she apparently talked with him before realizing he was thinking about a completely different (crazy) woman. I loved this episode and and the time of writing this am only 37 mins in, but I hope to see that there is at least a mention of the potential involvement between Manson and the CIA because it’s pretty interesting. I’ve been listing to the show for a while now and really enjoy it, keep up the good work!
@dougontheotherchannel3078
@dougontheotherchannel3078 3 жыл бұрын
a "space cadet" is someone who is "out to lunch", ditsy, or "out of their mind". My dad uses the term - usually to describe a naïve young person who doesn't have a grip on the real world and makes silly mistakes
@Blueberryyymuffin
@Blueberryyymuffin 7 ай бұрын
Ahh, so me
@grimcatmysteries8841
@grimcatmysteries8841 7 ай бұрын
Oh.....so that's what Shaggy meant in Scooby-Doo....I thought it meant a brown noser
@teacherteachingyou
@teacherteachingyou 3 жыл бұрын
I have never so faithfully waited for a podcast every week. Havent missed a single one. Absolutely fantastic work everyone!!
@caseynone6094
@caseynone6094 3 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t have said it better!
@iamnotpaulavery
@iamnotpaulavery 2 жыл бұрын
They left out a lot, and he used a lot of stuff from Bugliosi's book, which is chock full of inconsistencies and outright lies. Not that I'm defending Manson, but if you're going to do a video on a topic...research it *thoroughly!!!*
@bridgetrodriguez4643
@bridgetrodriguez4643 2 жыл бұрын
@@iamnotpaulavery you are so off
@TheColinkilbride
@TheColinkilbride Жыл бұрын
Read Tom O’Neill’s book Chaos
@jodilewis5593
@jodilewis5593 3 жыл бұрын
Having lived through both the 60s and 70s, and still being around for the current sh*tshow, the 60/70s were a walk in the park. Mostly, I see my generation as a massive failure. Manson was not a representative of us, but he sure knew how to exploit us. I think we had so much potential to change things for the better, but somewhere along the line, we sold out.
@danieledugre1837
@danieledugre1837 3 жыл бұрын
No…I still have a little corner of my being that holds onto her hippie-ness. And I raised an amazing socially conscious child so I don’t feel I’ve failed at all
@herrschmidt5477
@herrschmidt5477 3 жыл бұрын
hum and i think your generation was the closest one near actual worldwide social behaviour we ever had and most likely ever will have. Don't be too sad about the screw up part.
@dangreene3895
@dangreene3895 2 жыл бұрын
I think our generation may have been the worst that our country ever produced , much of the things wrong in our country today had its roots in sixties . As for the sixties itself , its like the book Tale of two cities , it was the best of times , it was the worst of times
@tktalk6900
@tktalk6900 2 жыл бұрын
don't feel bad us young-uns are still doing it
@jessgunn6639
@jessgunn6639 2 жыл бұрын
it`s all part of the swings and round abouts it always swings too far back but it`s coming back around and one of these decades it will hold! thank you for laying out the original blueprints to work and learn from!
@jasonmillett3544
@jasonmillett3544 3 жыл бұрын
You're misunderstanding the "crossing state lines for the intent of prostitution" thing. You can cross state lines to visit a prostitute without violating federal law; what you cannot legally do is bring a woman with you across state lines with the intent to prostitute her. Or bring your wife across state lines, if you're black and she's white, as the boxing legend Jack Johnson learned. The law was deeply racist both in conception and, sometimes, execution, but the idea was to combat human trafficking.
@technicalout9547
@technicalout9547 3 жыл бұрын
The Mann Act, colloquially known as “The White Slavery Act”.
@lauralyjoy6412
@lauralyjoy6412 3 жыл бұрын
No crossing state lines while commiting a crime (transporting women, children...). It allows the use of Federal laws bc it's now breaking the laws of more than one state so it goes to the next (federal) level...
@technicalout9547
@technicalout9547 3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Millett is correct. To violate the Mann Act, one must “take the crime” (here, the prostitute, woman, child) across state lines.
@jayjohns1391
@jayjohns1391 3 жыл бұрын
Simon glosses over alot of details. Thank you for clarifying
@BJones-yw4dd
@BJones-yw4dd 3 жыл бұрын
It's one of the laws that soon-to-be-former congressman Matt Gaetz of FL is being investigated for.
@hectorsmommy1717
@hectorsmommy1717 3 жыл бұрын
@The Casual Criminalist : Simon, what they are referring to with visiting prostitutes across state lines is the Mann Act of 1910. The act made it a felony to engage in "interstate or foreign commerce transport of "any woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution or debauchery, or for any other immoral purpose". It was an early and ineffective attempt at curbing human trafficking. In reality, it was used to jail men when they eloped with a consenting woman. One of the more famous people jailed because of it was the black boxer, Jack Johnson, who married a white woman and took her across state lines. He would be a great subject or Biographics.
@hanselmansell7555
@hanselmansell7555 3 жыл бұрын
👍 thanks
@anyawillowfan
@anyawillowfan 3 жыл бұрын
Although it should be added that in Charles Manson's case it was likely with the intention of prostitution, as the women involved had previously been arrested for prostitution.
@jacktheaviator4938
@jacktheaviator4938 2 жыл бұрын
@@anyawillowfan it was definitely for the purpose of prostitution. He was a known pimp at the time, and had other minor convictions relating to selling sex.
@iamnolegend483
@iamnolegend483 2 жыл бұрын
I violated the Mann Act many a times when I took my girlfriend across state lines to go to the beach and have carnal relations. Ah, good times, good times.
@hectorsmommy1717
@hectorsmommy1717 2 жыл бұрын
@@iamnolegend483 Only if she was underage (and you weren't).
@eristoneatti6926
@eristoneatti6926 3 жыл бұрын
So thrilled for another new Casual Criminalist episode! Thank you Simon!
@jessicaclakley3691
@jessicaclakley3691 2 жыл бұрын
I’m newer to this channel and have to say, those listening as podcast are missing out! Jen’s additions in the editing are absolutely 🧑‍🍳💋
@nlabonte
@nlabonte 3 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in seeing a video on Tsutomu Miyazaki... And I'll also suggest following it up with the Antwerp diamond heist for the sake of Simon's mental health.
@NikolasH937
@NikolasH937 3 жыл бұрын
I do value our fact boi’s mental health breaks, if only so he can then tackle an ultra violent episode without breaking down.
@ninarenee3956
@ninarenee3956 2 жыл бұрын
My mom and dad went to a Scientology seminar under the guise as something else too. They also were like... Uh... Nope this is fake haha but they hounded my parents for YEARS after. Sending letters and calling.. they don't ever stop lmfao 😆
@Blueberryyymuffin
@Blueberryyymuffin 7 ай бұрын
I thought Scientologists only target the famous and rich?
@tuckman315
@tuckman315 3 жыл бұрын
I really hope you see this another cult I would love to see you cover if you haven’t already is the Aum Shinrikyo they are like the most evil crazy cult in Japanese history and don’t get talked about enough.
@Maven0666
@Maven0666 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! That would be quite educational. I never heard of that one.
@maddii34u
@maddii34u 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, please!!
@tuckman315
@tuckman315 3 жыл бұрын
@CRAM MARC ya they also beheaded a news reporter if I’m not wrong and his family including his kid and spread their body parts across the country.
@rielwhittle846
@rielwhittle846 3 жыл бұрын
Simon did a biographics video on Shoko Asahara a few years ago! But I agree it would be nice to see him cover the cult in more detail on the casual criminalist
@tuckman315
@tuckman315 3 жыл бұрын
@@rielwhittle846 ya I just think this Chanel would be perfect for a more in-depth Analysis like there’s so much to cover including the anime the cult maid
@Killerkay1125
@Killerkay1125 Жыл бұрын
my entire YT feed consists of Simon's Channels and i love it
@Crazy_Sue
@Crazy_Sue 3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE listening to these episodes while working on my art. Though my fiance is starting to get concerned because I can't help but burst out laughing at the commentary bits, and then telling him the whole gory story so far. 😂 My favorite so far was the Australian female Hanibal Lector episode.
@rielwhittle846
@rielwhittle846 3 жыл бұрын
Glad someone else also likes listening while doing art (agree the more intense ones somehow more motivating?) But all are great to draw to haha (the longer the better)
@monicasegovia6176
@monicasegovia6176 2 жыл бұрын
Omg I sometimes think i look crazy cuz I've got my earbuds in looking serious as i work and listen to some gruesome story.. and then I'll randomly burst out laughing for no apparent reason or context 😂
@Polymathically
@Polymathically 2 жыл бұрын
I remember reading somewhere that Manson or one of his followers implicitly threatened a judge by stating the judge's home address in court. And that time Manson actually climbed on top of the defendant table jumped and tried to lunge and stab the judge with a pencil. Imagine if we had trials with criminals as overtly crazy and confrontational as that now.
@ninajefferson4018
@ninajefferson4018 2 жыл бұрын
I don't see how anyone can fall for this. They'd never killed before. But the husband movie maker had killed before. He's sacrificed before. That man didn't want kids, or Sharon Tate had an affair and the kid wasn't her husband's. So husband makes plans to leave country but before he leaves he and he's corrupt cops plot to set up the Manson Family.
@retriever19golden55
@retriever19golden55 Жыл бұрын
I'm reading your comment a year later, late October 2023, and we *do* have a crazy confrontational defendant giving out names and addresses of court personnel and witnesses with bad intent...but I don't think he's physically capable of leaping across a table to attack the judge.
@serenetiv
@serenetiv 9 ай бұрын
@@retriever19golden55 but we had a defendant leaping over the table and over the judicial bench to attack the judge some weeks ago now. He got his sentence a day later though and some new charges for attacking the judge, clerk and bailiffs on top. (Iirc he choked the judge and hit her on the head.. I think it was the court clerk that came to her rescue fastest after the bailiff missed the defendant by a hair when he supermanned over the bench. And they had to pull him off with like three or four people... He got packaged real tight with around 8? big buff officers for when his sentencing resumed the next day.)
@brittneyschultz7344
@brittneyschultz7344 3 жыл бұрын
While researching the McCoy family tree last year to learn more about my mom's side of family and the famous feud we are connected to I discovered that Charles Manson was also a part of our family tree. His mother was born in Kentucky near land still owned by my family. Not exactly the information I was hoping to find.
@Maven0666
@Maven0666 3 жыл бұрын
It could always be worse.
@lone6718
@lone6718 3 жыл бұрын
@@Maven0666 I say something about a man in his 30’s or 40’s who looks very like Manson and is possibly one of his sons. But he doesn’t want the DNA test to know. Which I would say is a win that he is not his father. So good for him.
@sakurakitsunestar
@sakurakitsunestar 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the my ancestors were freaking insane club * Is herself related to Andrew Jackson the most insane of the US presidents *
@MissBee13
@MissBee13 3 жыл бұрын
😬
@Nesseight
@Nesseight 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, it's not all for loss. One of your descendents might turn out to be "Bones", who is a doctor, not a psychopath. I'll walk myself out now...
@lauranoble3765
@lauranoble3765 3 жыл бұрын
Jen, I just wanted to say thank you for all the hard work you do to bring this show together :)
@ricardohendricks1711
@ricardohendricks1711 3 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Roman Polanski covered on the casual criminalist
@treystiemsma7329
@treystiemsma7329 Жыл бұрын
Knowing how gruesome the crimes were and what they all did makes Once Upon a Time in Hollywood much more satisfying
@jayjablunov4697
@jayjablunov4697 3 жыл бұрын
One interesting bit of further trivia is that the judge who presided over the Manson trial, Charles Older, had been one of the top three high scoring aces with the American Volunteer Group (AVG), also known as the "Flying Tigers", during WWII.
@gnb2011
@gnb2011 3 жыл бұрын
I follow all of your KZbin channels. I've never enjoyed listening to someone discuss such a wide array of topics before. No matter the topic, you make it interesting and keep me coming back. Sometimes, I have to watch more than once to catch it all and it's still interesting on repeat. Well done sir!
@Glorindellen
@Glorindellen 3 жыл бұрын
Simon, Manson later altered the X into a swastika. A space cadet is someone who isn't all there, mentally. And it was the US Supreme Court who overturned the death penalty, it was reinstated by another ruling a few years later. The death penalty still exists in California, though the current governor has put a moratorium on executions. These days it's very rare that anyone gets the death penalty and even rarer for the sentence to be carried out.
@richardtherichard26
@richardtherichard26 2 жыл бұрын
Unless you’re Texas. Since the death penalty was federally reinstated the lone star state has executed 567 people. More than 5x the number of the next highest state, Virginia. Including 9 of 21 total in 2019, and 13/26 total in 2018.
@Glorindellen
@Glorindellen 2 жыл бұрын
@@richardtherichard26 thank heaven someone still takes it seriously.
@kevinhentze1909
@kevinhentze1909 2 жыл бұрын
Jenn, Your edit of Simon's Elon Musk/Steve Jobs Politicians/Cult Leaders digressional-tangent was TOO Funny! Your Best yet....... Thank You.
@jasonritner9662
@jasonritner9662 3 жыл бұрын
Oooh! I've been waiting for this one! My great uncle was known as Blackbeard Charlie and was one of his neighbors and has some stories... he's brought up in some of the books.
@technicalout9547
@technicalout9547 3 жыл бұрын
😳
@nicolavanrhyn1726
@nicolavanrhyn1726 3 жыл бұрын
It was a good show! Simon's tone isn't the neutral, newsreader tone that just talks about these in a matter of fact way. He experiences the story with the listener. Makes a huge difference. It's a more human approach to a violently horrific crime.
@usha9807
@usha9807 3 жыл бұрын
I am not sure what I look forward to the most, the brilliant content or your tangents! Either way love the show.
@ICryRanierBeer
@ICryRanierBeer 3 жыл бұрын
Charismatic people seem a helluva lot more convincing when the people they are talking to are high af on acid, I would imagine. First time I dropped I forgot how to cross the street and got lost in my home town. I can see how the gross brutality was especially jarring at the end of a decade devoted to peace, love, and lsd. RIP to the victims
@novakien2714
@novakien2714 3 жыл бұрын
I loved your Ed Gein episode, so this is bound to be good!
@MrJesse4792
@MrJesse4792 3 жыл бұрын
If you do the David Berkowitz aka "The Son of Sam" case, my mother was court reporter in his Grand Jury appearance. She was also in the Courthouse the day he attempt to escape.
@scifino1
@scifino1 3 жыл бұрын
There's a rule that forbids talking about politics at the dinner table, but in my opinion, only people who aren't mature enough to keep their emotions in check during such discussions should follow that rule.
@BrotherGothel
@BrotherGothel 3 жыл бұрын
So 90% of the world in other words.
@SaltyBeach1038
@SaltyBeach1038 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah… seeing as how lots of folks definitely aren’t mature enough, it’s a good rule.
@SaltyBeach1038
@SaltyBeach1038 3 жыл бұрын
(I’ll also add that people who aren’t mature enough to keep their emotions is check certainly don’t KNOW they aren’t mature enough… so they won’t abstain 😉)
@RLEzra
@RLEzra 3 жыл бұрын
Preach!
@lone6718
@lone6718 3 жыл бұрын
@@SaltyBeach1038 we also have to add religion, many positions regarding ethics (abortion), money……we could keep going really.🤔
@Cecilpedia
@Cecilpedia Жыл бұрын
My mom lived near Hollywood for about a year when she was nineteen. She worked as an assistant for the producer of a soap opera and cared for her kids. The house she lived in was across the street from where Sharon Tate was killed.
@vulcanfeline
@vulcanfeline 7 ай бұрын
wait... i thought sharon was captured and later succumbed to stockholm syndrome, which was such a new idea that she was convicted of several murders herself. have i got the name mixed up? the gaps in my memory after having a stroke are rather weird
@pokeydot1975
@pokeydot1975 3 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for my next dose of ADHD rambling!!! It keeps me really engaged as someone who has it...🤣 Thank you Simon!!!
@Kari.F.
@Kari.F. 3 жыл бұрын
I have ADD. (ADHD without the hyper and impulsive bit, for those who don't know.) Simon is so thoroughly entertaining that I rarely zone out when I watch his videos, and especially The Casual Criminalist. He should cold read everything! 😁👍
@Maven0666
@Maven0666 3 жыл бұрын
Me too ADHD here as well 😂
@andreagriffiths3512
@andreagriffiths3512 2 жыл бұрын
ASD and I appreciate the rambling and asides very much 💕
@Blueberryyymuffin
@Blueberryyymuffin 7 ай бұрын
I’m ADHD with medication that no longer works very well. So… ADHD with a little bit of the edge taken off lol
@K0h4ku42
@K0h4ku42 3 жыл бұрын
OMG Jen! editing was epic, per the usual, plus plus
@ImCarolB
@ImCarolB 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the 60s were not the flower-power love-in it's often thought to be. Assassinations, extremely violent and destructive riots, rampant harmful drug use. A loooong, miserable war which only ended for us, as when the US withdrew, Vietnamese and Cambodians went through years of death, starvation, prison, and for the lucky, refugee camps. I had a friend whose husband had an organizational role on the occupation of Alcatraz. I knew Gary Hinman's parents; sad, quiet pair. But we had the Beatles. It's never been better than that.
@gingaddict
@gingaddict Жыл бұрын
Your talk of people not wanting to talk about religion and politics reminds me of one of my favourite peanuts quotes - There are three things I have learned never to discuss with people...religion, politics and the Great Pumpkin!🤣
@eveparman
@eveparman 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, now I'm surprised 😶 I thought this subject would never come. But I'm happy because it's nice to hear this from the point of view of Simons extremely talented writers 👍
@anarchyneverdies3567
@anarchyneverdies3567 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I missed this one months ago and was going to listen to it to go to sleep, but Jen’s editing keeps cracking me up, so I guess I’m just watching it then not playing another episode so I can sleep (thanks a lot Jen 😂)
@curtislindsey1736
@curtislindsey1736 3 жыл бұрын
Where's Callum??? I love the new writers but I need an update!
@technicalout9547
@technicalout9547 3 жыл бұрын
Same!!
@ottodavis-octane3839
@ottodavis-octane3839 2 жыл бұрын
Probably in the basement with Danny?
@Col_Fragg
@Col_Fragg 3 жыл бұрын
FYI: The FBI has jurisdiction over all kidnapping cases. Though, depending on the facts, the case may be prosecuted at the state and local levels rather than federal court.
@MsLopez-fu8xv
@MsLopez-fu8xv 3 жыл бұрын
Just a minor correction... March on Washington, I believe is what your writer meant. It took place in the 1960's. Whereas, The Million Man March took place in 1995.
@tongboy187
@tongboy187 3 жыл бұрын
Bugger - I did mean March on Washington. My bad!
@FatLikeKessel
@FatLikeKessel 2 жыл бұрын
This is my go to podcast while trudging away at work mid-week. It would be a gas to do a random episode about people who’ve committed a good deed. Imagine if you threw in an act of kindness in-between the murders. That would be a good laugh!
@prasselboll
@prasselboll 3 жыл бұрын
I love that you are covering some of the most famous ones. Thank you for this!
@JamesAnderson-dp1dt
@JamesAnderson-dp1dt 2 жыл бұрын
I met Bill Clinton briefly when he was governor of Arkansas. He attended the commencement event for the 1986 “Governor’s School” summer program, which I was attending. Even as a Junior in high school, I wasn’t a supporter, but the charisma was apparent to me even in that very brief conversation.
@bunnymad5049
@bunnymad5049 3 жыл бұрын
You are always a bright spot! Even with it being about murder and stuff. You just present in a way that lifts. Much needed right now!
@azieser
@azieser 2 жыл бұрын
Simon,, the only person on the tube that can make me watch adverts! Good job!
@BrotherGothel
@BrotherGothel 3 жыл бұрын
I am actually so happy that Simon is doing some of the more well-known true crime, like Ed Gein and Charles Manson. I've been wanting him to do some of these since he started this podcast. I've obviously already heard the story and the facts of the case multiple times. But I've always wanted to see how Casual Criminalist would do these stories. I come for the well researched scripts and the deep dives just as much as I come for the unique take Casual Criminalist always has, the long rambling stories, and for Simon to call me a degenerate.
@rob1tnt
@rob1tnt 2 жыл бұрын
Sure it's a story thats been told before but I'm glad your covering these more famous cases. Keep it up Simon! I would love if you covered Albert Fish in more detail. I had never heard of him until the Biographics video, that one stuck with me. So bloody creepy!
@NathanCassidy721
@NathanCassidy721 3 жыл бұрын
Massively disappointed that Chris ignored maybe the biggest book that came out about Manson: Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties, by Tom O’Neill Granted it’s a thick read but the opening chapter alone which covers an actual conversation he had with the lead prosecutor on the case signals that we don’t have the full story. And I know it sounds like some “conspiracy theory” but Tom didn’t spend 20 years of his life looking through official documents from the LAPD, FBI, and CIA not to mention interviewing dozens of contemporary witnesses for nothing. It’s a good read if you like this topic.
@SEAZNDragon
@SEAZNDragon 3 жыл бұрын
Remember Simon is not a fan of conspiracy theories and wants to keep CC conspiracy free or at least reasonable.
@tongboy187
@tongboy187 3 жыл бұрын
Heya Nathan - Chris here : author for this episode. I’m so sorry I didn’t cover Chaos - there was just way too much to cover. I focused on social history as it’s so frequently ignored, and is (IMO) most helpful to understanding Manson as a historical actor. I hope you weren’t too unhappy with the angle I ended up choosing… I’d have loved to get into the questions O’Neil raised. I don’t dismiss Chaos as a “conspiracy theory” either :) Thanks also for bringing it up! I meant to list recommended reading in Dismembered Appendices, but I clean forgot…
@NathanCassidy721
@NathanCassidy721 3 жыл бұрын
@@tongboy187 As I said, Chaos is a thick read so I didn't expect a full rundown. At most, I expected at least a little section like "Is this the full story?" or something like that.
@NathanCassidy721
@NathanCassidy721 3 жыл бұрын
@@SEAZNDragon Except it's not a conspiracy theory. The author himself went out of his way to NOT make it so, leaving out a lot of sources that he couldn't vet. If he wanted to make money, he wouldn't have spent 20 years making this book.
@Magepure6749
@Magepure6749 2 жыл бұрын
@@SEAZNDragon Research the history of the term "conspiracy theorist" before you ever speak it unironically again - you're welcome.
@MJFish
@MJFish 3 жыл бұрын
Religion, politics, and MONEY, that’s the other one you don’t talk about in mixed company.
@RaginMunchkin
@RaginMunchkin 2 жыл бұрын
Simon: welcome to the new writer Me: well, that basement is getting crowded... Simon: this past decade wasn't too crazy, not Vietnam or things like that Me, watching in March 2022 after three weeks of war in Ukraine : 😶
@spencer3986
@spencer3986 3 жыл бұрын
I've been enjoying the show as a regular watcher but something about the tangents in this episode were particularly fun. Also, welcome Chris!
@danielchapman6032
@danielchapman6032 3 жыл бұрын
I did learn a new thing. I learned that Charlie learned culting from a well known cult
@toobytah
@toobytah 2 жыл бұрын
I really wish u could do an episode on Scientology. I know that’s almost definitely not possible cuz they get so crazy when people say stuff about them, but I literally know nothing about them and would love one of the writers and Simons take on it.
@thebiggianthead8364
@thebiggianthead8364 3 жыл бұрын
I was just a kid, but the 60's was the decade that changed the world. Technology and the space race set up everything going on today. Music changed. Social climate changed in a major way. Drugs came to the forefront and changed social standards and laws. Vietnam changed how we view government. Anyone born after the 60's most likely doesn't understand that this was the most important decade there ever was short of the 1770's.
@richardtherichard26
@richardtherichard26 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the 1840’s-60’s were also fairly important in shaping the nation. Between the gold rush helping to expedite western expansion, the widespread elimination of native tribes and their lands, and the outlaw of slavery.
@leslieknapp8985
@leslieknapp8985 11 ай бұрын
Knew a very old Hollywood exec. Who knew and "loved" charlie. Her husband was a stunt double for jack Polance. She left food and necessities on her porch and let them stay in outbuildings. She would defend him to the end. Said he was incredibly polite and greeted her when riding her beloved horses. She blamed the ladies and believed Charlie should be free 😮Crazy stories of an ex bartender.
@jackhamilton9604
@jackhamilton9604 3 жыл бұрын
To Chris or any of Simon’s other riders locked in the basement, could you write a casual criminalist about another crazy cult leader that Simon did a biographics about, Shoko Asahara
@Maven0666
@Maven0666 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. They didn’t do well about the train poisoning coverage either. Please?
@tongboy187
@tongboy187 3 жыл бұрын
That would be cool - their West Australian compound isn’t very well covered either.
@am53n8
@am53n8 3 жыл бұрын
I'm happy you're doing some of the more well known ones, cause this is the only true crime show I watch and even people like Manson I only vaguely know by name
@donavonseibert507
@donavonseibert507 3 жыл бұрын
Something else that ended the 60s was The Rolling Stones concert that used the Hell's Angels as security. Shit got WAAYYY out of hand real fast. Life tip: don't use the MOST infamous biker gang to have and will ever exist on planet earth as security for your events. OR☝🏼, any biker gang for that matter. Maybe hire people that don't kill people on a semi regular basis?🤷🏼‍♀️ You guys should do a video on that and the lasting effects.
@stuglife5514
@stuglife5514 3 жыл бұрын
Hells angels? More like target practice
@Maven0666
@Maven0666 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. My aunt was there.I never heard what happened. Not much was written crystal clearly about it either. She has Alzheimer’s now and she can’t tell me anymore.
@tylerrebik7700
@tylerrebik7700 3 жыл бұрын
Altamont!!!!!!
@donnaholland1625
@donnaholland1625 3 жыл бұрын
There is a book about it. Very interesting how things went wrong.
@12vy85
@12vy85 3 жыл бұрын
Best security ever.. and they were security for EVERYONE STONES, ANIMALS, WOODSTOCK. But it worked.
@brandongoins3665
@brandongoins3665 8 ай бұрын
i never really paid attention to true crime stuff but listening to you while at work such a great way to spend my day.
@31webseries
@31webseries 3 жыл бұрын
I saw this one doc where it basically said that while Manson said the helter skelter thing, the actual reason for the murders was to cover up a previous drug related murder by one of their family while simultaneously getting petty vengeance on some people (like the beach boy who stole Manson's song). The helter skelter thing was pushed hard by the prosecuters because they needed to make it a solid 'conspiracy' to make sure Mansion got the same verdict the others did for directing the murders.
@technicalout9547
@technicalout9547 3 жыл бұрын
I think that’s closer to the truth.
@zaqzilla1
@zaqzilla1 3 жыл бұрын
32:45 yeah...I imagine buy illegal drugs is sort of a buyer beware deal.
@Nesseight
@Nesseight 3 жыл бұрын
3:40 "As we'll find out, he [Charles Manson] was a dick." Simon Whistler seems like a tremendously agreeable person. If he calls you a dick, you probably messed up.
@beginnereasy
@beginnereasy 3 жыл бұрын
12:44 👏🏻 every hello matters! Hug others, spend time together. Rub each other's bodies. It's okay to laugh and relax then, feeling good is safe 😂 very wonderfully put crew 👏🏻
@amandajones661
@amandajones661 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome Chris!!
@ubiquitousliquorice
@ubiquitousliquorice 3 жыл бұрын
Speaking of cult leaders, Casual Criminalist should do an episode on Roch Thériault and the Ant Hill Kids. The things he did to his followers ...
@artwithalexander5359
@artwithalexander5359 2 жыл бұрын
i have heard the name and reputation all my life life without actually knowing anything about this guy or "the family" so thank you simon for covering this. i personally have never understood what anyone ever saw in him becuse one look at his eyes from any photo i have ever seen just screamed psychopath to me.
@luckycat3302
@luckycat3302 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the dungeon!!
@SheilaRough
@SheilaRough Жыл бұрын
One theory for the Tate murders was that house was where Terry Melcher & his then girlfriend, Candice Bergen were living They had broken up and moved out of the house and it was rented to Roman Polanski & Sharon Tate. Manson was pissed at Melcher for not signing Manson to his record label and the murders were payback. Manson & his followers didn’t realize that Terry Melcher had moved out. According to one of the Manson girls , Sharon had begged to be allowed to live long enough to have her baby
@sadfaery
@sadfaery 2 жыл бұрын
I've worked for a domestic violence shelter for over a decade, and we see a lot of families where all or almost all of the kids are named after the abusive father, including the daughters. When it's just one kid named after the father or maybe even two, it's not necessarily all that remarkable, but when it's three kids or four kids or five kids all named after the father, it's a pattern. Are there non-abusive parents who name their kids after themselves? Sure. But it's a really common thing that abusers do.
@mattiemathis9549
@mattiemathis9549 Жыл бұрын
Simon- Don’t abuse your children, it makes them serial killers, but absolutely NOT saying abusing your children makes them serial killers…allegedly.
@samiam2088
@samiam2088 3 жыл бұрын
Simon… it’s easy to be charismatic when you’re shoveling LSD down everyone’s throat. LSD makes you incredibly psychologically suggestible.
@hanselmansell7555
@hanselmansell7555 3 жыл бұрын
No one can do the Manson story in an hour. Simon: Hold my beer 🍺
@whoarewe7515
@whoarewe7515 2 жыл бұрын
Simon doesn't look like a beer drinker. He looks more like a fine wine connoisseur.
@ElizabethLRip
@ElizabethLRip 3 жыл бұрын
There's so many conspiracies involving Manson. MK-Ultra was going on at the time and it was rumored that Manson was a victim of their experiments as they used to use prisoners. Manson also kept breaking parole and when he was arrested again and again, the police were told to let him go from higher ups. There was also an occultist group from the UK that moved to California that did animal sacrifices and knew Manson. Hundreds of animal remains were found buried on the ranch, that group now runs an animal rescue to this day. A member from the Manson family said in a live interview that Charles wanted to start kidnapping children and brain wash/traffic them.
@marpho7588
@marpho7588 2 жыл бұрын
Simon talking about caring for his plants was a very cute interlude :D
@Blackhorselove1
@Blackhorselove1 3 жыл бұрын
A fellow orchid keeper! I only recently got my first last year, and not long after another 2. They’re all currently opening their buds. So gratifying to see your love and care be rewarded with a bloom show. Do you have any photos of them you’d be willing to share?
@huntaharding4852
@huntaharding4852 3 жыл бұрын
Simon what’s your favourite medium?
@neopagan1976
@neopagan1976 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome Chris. What have you done with Callum, Simon? Did you lock him and Danny up down in your basement dungeon again? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Tuturial464
@Tuturial464 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Simon going into more with the other writers. And more high profile crimes. Let’s go with LISK murder or Dunbar Truck Hesit
@technicalout9547
@technicalout9547 3 жыл бұрын
LISK is one of those cases that seems like it should be solved by now. So strange. Wickedly interesting back stories with the LE and the residents of that beach community.
@jocec820
@jocec820 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I knew how the conversation between Manson's mom and the brother went. "Hey sis, where's your baby?" "I sold him to a waitress for beer." "Damn it, now I have to go find him. When I give him back don't do it again."
@stevecrosby3408
@stevecrosby3408 3 жыл бұрын
Could you do Elizabeth Bathory in the future? I know you did her on Biographics, but that episode did not touch on a number of items in history related to her.
@OKSlinky
@OKSlinky 3 жыл бұрын
You should do a video on the Ant Hill Kids! There isn't much coverage about it and it comes to my mind every time I think about Manson or the Jonestown Massacre, but so few people have actually heard of it. It's pretty dark so you might want to do another heist video before covering it, but it's a thought, hahaha
@erraticonteuse
@erraticonteuse 3 жыл бұрын
10:10 While there's definitely overlap with political identification, I genuinely believe one of the greatest problems in current politics is people identifying with/as their economic ideologies. People treat their capitalism/Marxism/anything in between or beyond as if they're religions. Religion is the source of its own set of problems, but at least religious people are motivated by how they expect to spend eternity. Meanwhile, we know money is fake, we know we made it up, and we know you can't take it with you. Why does it matter SO MUCH that some people insist we can't try different ideas in different situations?? (Also, the third thing is sex.)
@MJFish
@MJFish 3 жыл бұрын
No, it is money.
@allannahk
@allannahk 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was money
@richardtherichard26
@richardtherichard26 2 жыл бұрын
Money is fake? As someone with a job, home, multiple vehicles, and various other toys, I disagree. But hey if you wanna “unburden” yourself of all that colorful paper in your bank account I’ll slide you my details and you can transfer it over to me. I’ll gladly take that evil stuff right off your hands. Call it “community service”. I’m doing you a favor right? You have no need for that meaningless crap anyway.
@erraticonteuse
@erraticonteuse 2 жыл бұрын
@@richardtherichard26 It's a social construct. Take any old pre-Euro money and try to spend it in its country of origin. You can't, you can't even exchange them for Euros anymore except to sell them to collectors or maybe for whatever the metal is valued at. Those bits of paper and metal only ever had value because people agreed they did, but then people agreed that they didn't. Even if you want to talk purely about "value" independent of currency, that is also a social construct. Gold was just a shiny yellow metal for billions of years before humans came along. And in places where it was particularly abundant, like in South America, it played no role in their economy. Abundance and scarcity are real, but even the way value is calculated for any given good or service, _by capitalism's own definition_ , is entirely determined by how much of their bits of paper and metal humans are willing to give up for it. Humans give these things value, and those values can vary wildly around the globe. We made it up.
@scissorman8667
@scissorman8667 3 жыл бұрын
I recently discovered casual criminalist and have watched all of them, great stuff Simon. You should do an episode on the Moors Murders.
@michelletempleton2505
@michelletempleton2505 3 жыл бұрын
Well done to Chris for this episode 👏 job well done 👍 but I absolutely have to ask, where is Callum? 🤔 He's not been writing your CC scripts for so long now
@funnyomelette8743
@funnyomelette8743 3 жыл бұрын
Right? I miss Callum's writing 🥲
@michelletempleton2505
@michelletempleton2505 3 жыл бұрын
@@funnyomelette8743 Me too, his scripts are dark and funny, and Simon seems to have fun reading them
@pieman2906
@pieman2906 3 жыл бұрын
Jen is ON IT! Love the edits.
@jacksonstarky8288
@jacksonstarky8288 3 жыл бұрын
I've really been enjoying the contributions from all the new writers, but I hope we haven't seen the last of Callum Howe. More specific to this episode, I watched it immediately after Decoding the Unknown's new video about Marilyn Monroe, and as someone very familiar with both cases, I learned something new about both, so kudos to both writers for their excellent research. If you're still looking for more suggestions for this channel, as a Canadian I have to single out Clifford Robert Olson again... I may have mentioned him in a comment on your video about Robert Pickton. I still have yet to watch your Ed Gein video because of your content warning and my own familiarity with the case... it might be a thing to put on audio in one tab while I watch video-only KZbin LEGO builds in another. Still the best true crime channel on KZbin.
@trailerpark7170
@trailerpark7170 3 жыл бұрын
I kinda like these newer ones about the more famous killers/criminals, it's interesting to hear Simon talk about them in a more laid back and casual way rather than the biographics videos (which are good in their own right)
@emeraldblue5291
@emeraldblue5291 3 жыл бұрын
Watson was a 19yo football star that was his own special kind of crazy. Charlie knew it & used him as the muscle. Linda Kasabian, the "family member" that testified against them all (she was Tex' gf and the getaway driver for both sets of murders) has come out of hiding after 40yrs and they did a documentary of her interviews. It the first time she's spoken since the trial. She was with the family for 4wks before the murders happened.
@puffpuffpass3214
@puffpuffpass3214 2 жыл бұрын
If you see this I love seeing you cover this stuff. I don't watch it for the info as much as I do you. I can get this info anywhere but having a fun personality attached makes me want to binge all the channels
@devinjohnson9000
@devinjohnson9000 3 жыл бұрын
Well this is a first: Someone Simon covered on Biographics being covered on The Casual Criminalist.
@NathanCassidy721
@NathanCassidy721 3 жыл бұрын
No it isn’t because he did Ed Gien last week.
@ignitionfrn2223
@ignitionfrn2223 3 жыл бұрын
3:50 - Chapter 1 - The swinging 60's 10:45 - Chapter 2 - How to win friends & influence people 20:20 - Mid roll ads 24:20 - Chapter 3 -The haight ashbury messiah 30:40 - Chapter 4 - The murder of Gary Hinman 35:10 - Chapter 5 - The tate murders 37:50 - Chapter 6 - The La Biance Murders 41:40 - Chapter 7 - Arrest & trial 48:10 - Dismembered appendices
@mommy2libras
@mommy2libras 3 жыл бұрын
It started as an X or cross but he later added to it to get the swastika. If you haven't watched the 1976 Helter Skelter, you definitely should check it out. It has some good original interviews and is based on the book Helter Skelter, written by Vincent Bugliosi, who was the DA who tried the cases. The book is also very interesting and decently written. I caught the "movie" on cable when I was about 12 and read the book shortly after. It's pretty thorough.
@beginnereasy
@beginnereasy 3 жыл бұрын
Lol you're talking about Chris and Haight Ashbury and I had this 😱 moment because those are my names 😂🤷🏼‍♂️🌩️🤡
@Amccordford
@Amccordford 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing these! I have only a passing familiarity with some of these big names and some I have no idea what they did. You guys, gals, and non-binary pals 😉 all do such a great job covering everything so thoroughly. I really appreciate all this hard work and effort!
@Nekulturny
@Nekulturny 2 жыл бұрын
I think it would be more accurate to compare the Daily Mail to New York Post as an apples to apples comparison. NYP is owned by Rupert Murdoch too, but its not a Cable TV network, its a print publication like Daily Mail.
@thefolktalefox5960
@thefolktalefox5960 3 жыл бұрын
I had not actually heard of this before seeing the movie a good while ago. I'm glad you still decided to do the more well known ones because I just really like this podcast and have never delved much into the subject so it's great that you're doing them anyway for people like me who have in fact not heard of them.
@CashelOConnolly
@CashelOConnolly 3 жыл бұрын
Have you been hiding under a rock?🙄
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