Charles Wuorinen: Fourth Piano Concerto (2003)

Charles Wuorinen (1938-2020): Fourth Piano Concerto (2003) - Peter Serkin, pianoforte -- Boston Symphony Orchestra diretta da James Levine ---
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[@TCizauskas]

"We have a world in which the instant response of the untutored becomes the sole criterion for judgment.'' - Charles Wuorinen (9 June 1938 - 11 March 2020)

[@MrInterestingthings]

Wuorinen like so many others knew how the world was changing .Luckily others with brains see Rump's Folly ! Dont put a child in charge in the WhiteHouse !

[@TCizauskas]

@Jerf Hankell Validity of critique demonstrated.

[@stueystuey1962]

@HillDueceua let him rest in peace Dude was ornery, pedantic, and antisocial. The music is superb. His behavior sucked plain and simple.

[@OdinComposer]

I might not exactly share his vision of "serious music" but as far as this quote goes he's sadly correct.

[@stueystuey1962]

His legacy needs to be much more than an ill tempered quote about a hip hop artist receiving the Pulitzer Prize in music.

[@davidarteagamusic5991]

Awesome, thanks! Levine is a true Master of this stuff...

[@gerardbegni2806]

Agreed !!!

[@organman52]

Whatever. But he WAS a master of pedophilia.

[@jwoods007]

OMG this is amazing! The fractal image is nice but add more in a slide presentation format. 10 minutes in and still just wonderful! I can feel this.

[@stueystuey1962]

Um, one of my favorite piano concertos of all time. Don't get me wrong, it can't touch Carter or Schoenberg in terms of complexity or transcendence, but like Paul McCartney you just cant deny that it is the work of a musical genius and so enjoyable to listen to. I still remember the day my violin teacher, a famous Los Angeles area pedagogue, looked at me after I made some comment while struggling to learn the Bach Partitas and Sonatas, "do you think i have never listened to Beatles music?"

[@gerardbegni2806]

Agree but when restricting to our time. You cannot evaluate Mozart, Beethoven or Schumann against the same criteria.

[@notorio526]

This is not far from the Schoenberg level. McCartney is trash.

[@stueystuey1962]

@@gerardbegni2806 listening to this work quite often of late. it really is a wonderful piece of music. I can't remember the last time I listened all the way through a work by Mozart, Beethoven or Schumann.

[@gerardbegni2806]

Your techer had an excellent joke !!!!!

[@Clivejvaughan]

Thank you !

[@BrianJosephMorgan]

Bravo.

[@WilliamJamesRoss]

Music making of the highest order!

[@stueystuey1962]

Start of the second movement is one of my favorite moments in modern music. Generally speaking I like the lean, sparse constructions of Wuorinen. The long limbed melodic lines remind me of William Schuman.

[@gerardbegni2806]

There are many influences in that style which are difficult to unknot. However, the work has a coherence of its own. It is a very interesting piece.

[@stueystuey1962]

He seems to fall somewhere in between Webern and Schoenberg. Not as minimalist or austere as Webern and not as dense or jarring as Schoenberg. Neither does he serialise rythym or tempo ala Carter.

[@darrylschultz6479]

@@stueystuey1962 Maybe it was an extra large bed...and it's "rhythm".

[@eppiehemsley6556]

Its not unknottable but a challenge to do so. I found it very engaging.

[@gerardbegni2806]

@@stueystuey1962 You cannot say that about Carter. The so-called Darmstadt school serialised rythms, but precisely Carter was very critical about it (and about Messiaen too). His rhythmic conception id based upon "polyrythms", an overarching rhythmic organisation which could even e considered at the opposite of serialism in many aspects. You a can easily find excellent papers about polyrythms in Carter"s music by a very simple Internet query. In addition, I would be a bit reluctant about X Webern's "minimalism". You probably think about his op. 21, 24, 28. I think that things are a bit more complex. But I fully understand you in a "symbolic" meaning.

[@gerardbegni2806]

@@eppiehemsley6556 So we agree. This is precisely what I meant by " difficult to unknot. In my mind, "Difficult" did not mean "impossible', but rather "challenging". Very interesting music and composer, indeed.

[@giuseppedimarco8358]

Mysteriously Interesting Moments!

[@teacherofenglishvaccaro8310]

masterpiece¡¡¡¡¡¡

[@kuang-licheng402]

nice

[@vKarl71]

So Levine is also the pianist here?

[@kraka2oanIner]

Superb! Rudely interrupted by these inane ADs...otherwise, Bravo!

[@machida5114]

so delicious....

[@mrtchaikovsky]

Quite good...

[@organman52]

This sounds like a 3-year old having fun at the piano for the first time.

[@pandstar]

Interesting take... I have almost no musical training, and only a very cursory understanding of theory, but this sounds absolutely incredible and transcendent to me. I wish it didn't, but pre 1950's classical music, bores me to tears. With some notable exceptions.

[@organman52]

@@pandstar Nora the Cat plays like this.

[@spikespa5208]

@organman52 And just as annoying.

[@markbrooks7157]

Rambles a bit too much for me. I do like many of his pieces.

[@robotkarel]

Who is listening in 2019?

[@chrislong6999]

When as a child learning to play the piano, I used to doodle around like this for fun, I should have written the score down, and called myself a modern composer.- wow ! and this is to be taken seriously ?

[@KrisKringle14]

@@chrislong6999 Yes, this is to be taken absolutely seriously. This is a skilfully composed postserial concerto with influences reaching back to the late Strawinsky. I guess you have little experience with contemporary classical music, or your judgment would be different.

[@chrislong6999]

@@KrisKringle14 yes - but I am very fastidious , about this classical music.

[@stevenwalden5652]

Better than the Beatles

[@akvaka]

?

[@hexus9198]

Number 9......number 9......

[@allaboutexperience1046]

Number 9 is trash, this isn't

[@franckmousset4022]

It's not difficult to compose better than The Beatles.

[@stueystuey1962]

Very funny you would pick the Beatles. Wuorinen and McCartney are similar in their artistry. They take what is at first considered a form of music that is enjoyed by an alienated group and turn it mainstream.

[@averysax6429]

The new music Tonal Scale is as thus: 12 7 5 2 3 : 1 4 5 9 14 Not 12 with 7 & 5 BUT 14 with 9 & 5 [2^(1/14)] These are the Tonal Scales growing from f (by cycles of fifths): All Scales build from the first mode: equivalent to Lydian f White keys are = & Black keys are | 12 with 7 & 5 [2^(1/12)] =|=|=|==|=|= {1,8,3,10,5,12,7,2,9,4,11,6} 1thru7are= 8thru12are| 7 with 5 & 2 [2^(1/7)] ===|==| {1,3,5,7,2,4,6} 1thru5are= 6&7are| 5 with 2 & 3 [2^(1/5)] =||=| {1,3,5,2,4} 1&2are= 3thru5are| Now evolving up the other end 5 with 4 & 1 [2^(1/5)] ==|== {1,3,5,2,4} 1thru4are= 5is| 9 with 5 & 4 [2^(1/9)] =|=|=|==| {1,8,3,7,5,9,2,4,6} 1thru5are= 6thru9are| 14 with 9 & 5 [2^(1/14)] =|=|===|=|===| {1,12,3,14,5,7,9,11,2,13,4,6,8,10} 1thru9are= 10thru14are| Joseph Yasser is the actual originator of the realization, that scales develop by cycles of fifths. www.seraph.it/blog_files/623ba37cafa0d91db51fa87296693fff-175.html www.academia.edu/4163545/A_Theory_of_Evolving_Tonality_by_Joseph_Yasser www.musanim.com/Yasser/ The chromatic scale we use today is divided by 2^(1/12) twelfth root of two Instead of moving to the next higher: the 19 tone scale 2^(1/19) nineteenth root of two I decided to go all the way down and back up the other end: So 12 - 7 = 5 & 7 - 5 = 2 & 5 - 2 = 3 Now we enter to the other side: 2 - 3 is (-1)* & 3 - (-1) is 4* & (-1) - 4 is (-5)* & 4 - (-5) is 9* & (-5) - 9 is (-14)* ignoring the negatives we have * 1 4 5 9 14 Just follow the cycles how each scale is weaved together, as shown above. Each scale has its own division within the frequency doubling, therefore the 14 tones scale is 2^(1/14) fourteenth root of two

[@gerardbegni2806]

Agree with such a theoretical analysis. This is not far from "pitch class set analysis", but differently oriented.

[@eai554]

Some wonderful music, just too damn long

[@agarber1932]

horrible music. ugh

[@spikespa5208]

Soundtrack to a substandard 1960s substandard B sci-fi movie.

[@gaylordmowrey5350]

"We have a world in which the instant response of the untutored becomes the sole criterion for judgment.'' - Charles Wuorinen (9 June 1938 - 11 March 2020)

[@gaylordmowrey5350]

@@spikespa5208 "We have a world in which the instant response of the untutored becomes the sole criterion for judgment.'' - Charles Wuorinen (9 June 1938 - 11 March 2020)

[@spikespa5208]

By all means, blame the "untutored" when some people don't like your music.