Charlie Kaufman and Duke Johnson about Pixar's Inside Out

[@breadvelvet]

i feel like their view wasn't that the other animation films were problematic but rather that the category of animation itself by the academy was problematic

[@cf9368]

Chris Dimaculangan Thank you, a lot of people here seem to fail to get that

[@ecoterrorism_liker7251]

no shit

[@ecoterrorism_liker7251]

no shit

[@memoriesofthemovies]

Amazing how Disney pushed for The lion King as live action while promotions and stop motion is still under animation.

[@yeahiagree1070]

This comment section is so dumb! They are simply saying the two films are so wildly different, that it's impossible to even compare them, never mind decide that one is "better" than the other. The entirety of "animation" competing against each other for an award is a strange idea, that's the point. I would say exactly the same about having an Oscar for "foreign language film" is just a very strange concept once your actually think about it.

[@ugh9671]

Gay

[@raw_dah]

Such a profound perspective ​@@ugh9671

[@blaisetelfer8499]

This reminds of how the top comment on the trailer for Loving Vincent is "How was this in the same Oscar category as The Boss Baby?", and I laugh every time. It really is absurd to compare dramas made for adults to Pixar, Disney, etc., just because they were created with the same medium.

[@juliamaxfalcon5483]

Sardonicast bois

[@Kerm88]

When did they talk about this movie?

[@juliamaxfalcon5483]

@@Kerm88 They mentioned this video in episode 30

[@El_Andru]

Haha, just discovered them, so this comment struck out.

[@skinnyhamster5765]

As a guy who constantly submits his own shorts to film festivals, I really feel for Kauffman and everybody involved. Competition on display is really unfair. Being nominated is going to get you only this far in movie business. Dennis Vilneuve probably wouldn't be where he is today if not for the Oscar given to Incendies.

[@nem0763]

It shouldn't have been in the category, easy. On the other hand, Inside Out is a great movie at what it does, and it is very heartening for people with mental illness to see such a great and finely made product opening the debate so constructively. I have no attachment to Anomalisa, but I do feel sick remembering that The Wind Rises was in competition with Frozen - and that Frozen won this ridiculous contest. These things are just disgusting from an artistic point of view. To me it would be like putting Austerlitz in competition for the same literary award as Coraline because both books have pictures in the text. It's as absurd of criteria to base an award on as the fact that two films are animated. Both are no doubt wonderful books, but it's insulting to both to be equated. To me categories should work like this: what is this work's intended audience, what is its artistic aim, how does it relate to established genre? There should be a best children's film in the same way there should be a best children's book. Simple. The Oscar's however are not awards that "seriously" think about art, they are awards that serve an entertainment industry, and they sometimes accidentally drag art through the muck.

[@juliettedemaso7588]

By lumping these two films together, for the purpose of picking which one is more deserving of an award, much is being revealed about the shallow and confused criteria The Academy uses to measure art. And Oscar is the most sophisticated body for the recognition of film excellence? 🤦‍♀️

[@realityshifter3399]

I consider myself a fan of Charlie Kaufman's work, but just because I'm a fan doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything he says. Sure, I do think he made some valid points, but his overall thesis is flawed. His suggesting that because Anomalisa is an independent film made for an 'adult' audience, while Inside Out is studio film made for children that the latter doesn't have any artistic value compared to the former. I'm sorry, but even a film backed by a corporation like Disney can have artistic merit. Also, a film that categorize as "adult" is just descriptive, it does not in any way inform the quality of said film. Of course, I recognize that I can be misunderstanding him but that is how his argument came across.

[@JaidenOnYoutube]

I think he was implying that animated films should have categories and that they shouldn't be lumped together just because they're animated. For example Best animated comedy, drama, etc. instead of "Best animated feature".

[@realityshifter3399]

@@JaidenOnKZbin I think that's the best version of his argument, but it I suspect that Kaufman would feel the same way if both Anomalisa and Inside Out was nominated for Best Picture.

[@JaidenOnYoutube]

@@realityshifter3399 thats fair, I think we can agree that animated films should get their own categories or integrated into the others.

[@davemckay4359]

I disagree. I think Pixar's film is similar to Kaufman's film. Him complaining about it, discredits his work.

[@iGotSpaceLikeNASA]

Just because 'Inside Out' is a kids film doesn't mean it was not made 'seriously'. I've never heard a more ungrateful load of moaning about being nominated for a flippin Oscar.

[@tmrmovies802]

he means that his film anomalisa is a straight up mainstream mature drama that's rated R, how does that film fit in with a category of shaun the sheep movie and a Pixar children's film? and the fact that when inside out won the Oscar and had woody and buzz present it was just straight stupid. that was just like rubbing it in there faces.

[@Ryancamron3342]

iGotSpaceLikeNASA inside out was a bad movie

[@ecoterrorism_liker7251]

eveyone's missing the point. he's saying animation is not a genre, it's an art style. anomalisa is a drama, and shouldn't be categorized under a "genre" as vague as animation.

[@yeahiagree1070]

He's already won an Oscar, and been nominated for others. Based on how small his filmography is, he;s had incredible success at the Oscars. There is nothing to be "ungrateful" for, you missed the point they were making completely.

[@Voeris1]

@@Ryancamron3342 It is... but outside of craftmanship... so is Anomalisa, kind of... Perhaps a misfire, or the writing needed more tuning.

[@englandsensation]

They take themselves way too seriously.

[@leonelprieto5378]

Have you seen how great the movie actually is? Not only the look of it but the whole movie is amazing and it was made with 8 millions, compare that with the 175 of inside out and it's clear that this movie was made possible only by the passion, commitment and hard work of this guys. If that isn't serious what is?

[@englandsensation]

The Time Waster m mmm, You sound like you can't think for yourself tbh.

[@benllvfroggo]

Buddy.. I can think for myself and he is one of the best screenwriters of the modern era. However, saying my opinion means nothing to you, that's why I pointed out that a great many people think that as well.

[@englandsensation]

The Time Waster Did I ever said they weren't good storytellers? No. ESotSM is one of my favorite films ever. Animated movies are animated movies no matter the subject. They wanted Anomalisa to be recognized as something different, even something better than regular animated movies, which tend to be kid friendly. But I'm sorry, if your movie is animated then you belong in te animation category, no matter if is more oriented to an adult audience. The movies from Studio Ghibli and Laika are also very different from Pixar and Dreamworks films, and nobody is asking from special recognition. Jeez, even in the live action category the movies are radically different. Comedies mixed with sci-fi, historical dramas, etc. I can recognize this people talent but I don't have to agree with everything they say. They're being arrogant af.

[@yeahiagree1070]

@@englandsensation "even something better than regular animated movies" ... They never said that. You are projecting your own agenda onto the issue and putting false words into their mouths. The concept of films competing for awards is simply weird. But people do care about it, so it has to happen.

[@EisforEvil]

They want to be taken seriously yet they spend time discrediting other animation films? Makes sense if you don't think about it...

[@attckonutube]

Im black, even though the guy in the profile picture is white. I don't get how those two things conflict. What are you talking about?

[@GiantSandles]

The guy's won an Oscar and been nominated for a bunch of others, I think he's probably taken seriously enough already

[@Lalo-dh8xq]

@Da absolute boss of u He didn't direct Eternal Sunshine, only wrote it. But I agree

[@notabot835]

they are so pretentious lmao

[@videogamesTSH]

Ben Luu as a Charlie Kaufman fan (synecdoche New York is my favourite film) i feel like you proved c burners point right

[@yeahiagree1070]

@@videogamesTSH You could say that Kaufman is pretentious. But some people's achievements deserve a certain level of pretentiousness - Kaufman is one of those people.

[@videogamesTSH]

@@yeahiagree1070 No not at all pretentiousness doesn't mean respect. I respect the fuck out of Kaufman and love his movies. What Ben Luu did was just attack someone for saying their opinion. In the words of Adele Cotard 'A tool of blue haired theater subscribers'

[@yeahiagree1070]

TSH - what I'm saying is, perhaps it doesn't matter if they are pretentious. If someone is pretentious in creating art, at least that means they are attempting to create something with depth of meaning. That's not a bad thing.

[@videogamesTSH]

@@yeahiagree1070 being pretentious is saying or creating something simply to sound smart rather then doing that you care about or believe in