Charlie Kirk WILD Pro-Choice Debate | Debate Teacher Reacts

Charlie Kirk just had a WILD debate with some pro-choice advocates on the Whatever Podcast. Did he make great points? Did he make any mistakes? Let's put on our debate hats and react :)
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[@Veritas316]

I disagree that women don't know and that they're being lied to. They know, they just don't care.

[@staceyforehand9513]

Once a young woman is sexualized, her awareness changes until she has held her own child in her arms....

[@captainfield6998]

I agree with you. Even when they’re manipulated into thinking it’s okay, they’ve still just allowed their child to be murdered.

[@nate_d376]

I would agree. They are selfish, and the lies told to them just help them quiet their guilt.

[@Artryom]

At least 90% of them aren’t innocent and aware like the women on the show smh. Everything but that I agree with Charlie.

[@freedomslunch]

Yup

[@AFFL1CTED1]

"It's going to be a tennis match." "Kirk will say some interesting things, he seems to be a smart guy." "Then the ball goes over the net to the ladies, they'll say... things" lol, I was laughing so hard at that part.

[@thetruesimplegrid]

They aren’t even arguing at all

[@deew5587]

I love this comment. Was looking for it 😂😂😂

[@calebhumphrey8220]

Same here 😂

[@kristalsea]

“I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.” Psalm 22:10

[@JaylLaf]

_For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb._ _I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well._ - Psalm‬ ‭139:13‭-‬14‬

[@rodney8075]

@kristal3580 You shouldn't randomly quote scripture out of context. This is the Psalm Jesus quoted from the cross and doesn't copy and paste into this debate.

[@19innings73]

​@@rodney8075I don't quite see the problem here with taking the verse out of context. I don't think that's the case at all. The comment in question is simply quoting the scripture in relation to the video's topic on abortion. I totally agree with you that Psalm 22 is speaking partially about Christ's crucifixion and verse 10 in particular is speaking about his conception and birth. But, I disagree that it's being taken out of context. In fact, verse 10 is a great scripture that proves the value of life even while it is in the womb especially since it specifically (in context) refers to the life of Jesus.

[@n.c.1201]

Psalms 137:9 - Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. 1 Samuel 15:3 - Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. Exodus 12:29 - And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. Isaiah 13:16 - Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished. Hosea 13:16 - Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. 2 Kings 15:16 - Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up. Numbers 31:17 - Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. Psalms 135:8 - Who smote the firstborn of Egypt, both of man and beast. Acts 7:19 - The same dealt subtilly with our kindred, and evil entreated our fathers, so that they cast out their young children, to the end they might not live. Psalms 136:10 - To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy endureth for ever: Exodus 1:16 - And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live. Matthew 2:16-18 - Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men. (Read More...) Amos 1:13 - Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of the children of Ammon, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they have ripped up the women with child of Gilead, that they might enlarge their border: Hosea 9:11-16 - As for Ephraim, their glory shall fly away like a bird, from the birth, and from the womb, and from the conception.

[@19innings73]

@@n.c.1201 Amen

[@quinnpeterson2716]

Charlie says women are victims and shouldn’t be penalized…then immediately proceeds to describe babies fighting for their life while they are torn limb from king as a girl bursts into laughter. I strongly disagree that women are victims 90% of the time. You can watch countless videos of women screaming that they don’t care if it is killing a baby or not because it’s their right.

[@henrylopez7721]

My thoughts exactly. Only position for Christians is as an abolitionist

[@HH-fw2jo]

I agree fully. There can't be a gray area. Either it is murder or it isn't. I wish more pro-life people would fully convert to abolishing it fully.

[@Vaedyx]

These people are disgusting

[@SerenaB-fq2eu]

yeah you can see "countless" videos of the most extreme people really mis-representing the points in any topic.

[@viccigates3756]

It's called the justification game. We shouldn't let them play it. No mother has the right to seek out the murder of her children regardless of personal gain or preference.

[@happygolucky9004]

Well first off you used the word "murder" incorrectly. Murder is defined as "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another." (Oxford dictionary) So then I'm curious what you think about terminating a pregnancy when the woman's life is in jeopardy?

[@firinnamas]

Always running to the rare and extreme. Can't defend the other 99%? @@happygolucky9004

[@troycharley5571]

@@happygolucky9004Abortion is murder, stop it lil bro

[@happygolucky9004]

@@troycharley5571 I actually gave you the real definition. Your statement has no merit.

[@troycharley5571]

@@happygolucky9004 “Your statement has no merit”☝🏽🤓

[@cheychey585]

These women truly break my heart. It blows my mind the way people think.

[@vrijevoeten]

I don't think they actually think, they just mindlessly repeat what they mesmerized at one of the bastions of mindcontrol.

[@nate_d376]

Or don't think....

[@opinionbrewing7468]

This is likely the first time someone has explained the flawed thinking. Pray God grows Trees from the seeds planted.

[@jyllianrainbow7371]

The mindset these women have is why the number of marriages is steeply declining in western countries. Men don't want a wife who feels absolutely nothing towards her own unborn children to the point that she's willing to kill them.

[@NewLifeFromTheWayofTruth]

Yep

[@jasminestallings2992]

I found out I was pregnant with all of my babies at four weeks gestation. And I am blessed that all three of them are here, alive, healthy, and well. I am blessed to have them in my life. It's sad that these women are so blinded and misguided by the lies that the pro-abortion pushes to keep making dollars off of murdered children 💔

[@loutsont2985]

Happy for you and your children.

[@faithtinywishes8232]

I found out at 4 weeks as well, my sister found out at 6.

[@XiWieMin15]

I definitely think Charlie knew what he was doing here. He knew he could've "won" by defining terms and staying on topic, but he also knew that most people - like these girls - dont build their viewpoints on logic and critical thinking. They build them on emotional arguments and propaganda slogans that reinforce those emotions. So he decided to take those emotional arguments head on to show that all of those arguments are false and built on lies, whereas the real emotional argument lies in letting a child live.

[@boycebarger7734]

I've watched Charlie a lot. Very articulate and well informed. There wasnt time to follow a traditional debate format. It was important for him to allow them to throw everything they had at him so that he could address it all, and he did so brilliantly. I agree that in a trad format he would not have let them move on that way without giving some answers.

[@loutsont2985]

Agree that in the end our positions are based on emotions. And that it is wrong to 'win' a debate by having more technical tricks to fling at the opponent than he does in the same number of seconds. Debating is trying to meet the other in an open way.

[@SerenaB-fq2eu]

@@boycebarger7734 He's very good at framing these "debates" in a way to trip up people who don't know what they're doing. I've never seen him outmaneuver someone who's actually intelligent and informed on a topic. He memorizes stats and knows how to present them to shore up big holes in his own poorly justified stances. When people who see through it call him out on it, that's where you see if fall apart. Go watch some of his stuff outside of him dunking on college kids with baits.

[@sugami82]

I used to be "begrudgingly pro-choice" but then my wife got pregnant and I educated myself on babies and fetal development, I also started getting closer to Jesus, and then we lost that baby. Now I'm very much pro-life. It's basically cognitive dissonance that pro-choice people have to do in order to fool themselves into believing they are not murdering innocent babies. Life starts at conception, end of. "Bodily autonomy" is such a stupid argument. If you follow it to it's logical conclusion it means you'd be happy to murder an innocent baby all the way up until 39 weeks and 6 days just because.

[@KhaoticDeterminism]

kinda look as the decision as a symptom of the patriarchy hollowing our community ultimately cheers #usa

[@MistyLunaLotus]

I'm so sorry for your loss. I found out and lost the same day. It was only a few weeks, maybe a month, I thought it was a really weird period I was having and didn't know til I saw it in my menstrual cup. I had a similar story til I found out more about fetal development too and I now advocate for pro-life. I pray I get to participate in the next Pro-Life March

[@toribell7613]

The sad reality is many of them are completely okay with full-term termination, and even after 😞 I’ve heard people argue that toddlers could even be terminated bc they’re not self-reliant.

[@angelaw4186]

Actually a lot of women go overdue. So even past 39 wks and 6 days. We r talking up to 42 wks and 7 days at the pregnancy isn’t 7 days for a lot of OBs

[@angelaw4186]

But yes they r completely wrong on this topic!

[@GenXfrom75]

And yes, I mourned each of my miscarriages…. I think of them to this day. I still imagine what they would be like today. I’m so grateful for my 4 living, healthy sons. But I ache for those children I lost. 💔

[@MeanBeanComedy]

I'm sorry.😢

[@taraellis8279]

Im so sorry for your loses. I mourn with you. I grieve with you.

[@venuspierce3420]

I lost 3 & I agree. But God(!) has made a way for us. We will see them again!! 🙏💜👶

[@slaakattak]

Theyre in Gods custody now. Theyre not "dead". Theyre in Heaven and youll be with them again.

[@nah-dx3wc]

I wish nobody had to go through that. I am sorry for your losses.

[@sallymcmurray949]

They keep saying fetus without know fetus means offspring which means child. 🤣😂 oh sheer ignorance in its finest!

[@bufficliff8978]

That's the root of the word. When they say it that's not what they're saying. You're not dumb, I assume, so surely you know that.

[@happygolucky9004]

Offspring does not mean child, it is used to refer to any descendant and that includes animals & plants. Child is a specific word used to refer to young humans. You wouldn't call a toddler a kitten? You wouldn't call a young cat a child.

[@loutsont2985]

'War' comes from 'were' which means 'man' a.o. Does that make war something to enjoy? 'Barbie' comes from 'beard'...

[@Themightystar5000]

@@loutsont2985 Abortion and Nazism are no different they both dehumanize a person to make it easier to kill them

[@firinnamas]

When we refer to a human fetus we are referring to the offspring of a human being. People insist on using the word fetus because they are trying to dehumanize the baby to make killing him or her more palatable. Surely you know that. @@bufficliff8978

[@collegepennsylvania837]

“If you look for truth, you may find comfort in the end; if you look for comfort you will not get either comfort or truth only soft soap and wishful thinking to begin, and in the end, despair.” - CS Lewis

[@loutsont2985]

True. You have to deal with reality. C.S. Lewis happens to be my hero, too.

[@jordanmattievisuals]

23:05 Interesting how she says, "Well the man isn't the one incubating the child"... The what? The child?? Listening to these women attempt to argue their case is just painful.

[@dananderson6697]

It's just evil trying to justify itself, is all.

[@gamingonamonday6342]

Im not a christian, but I am prolife. I was adopted AT BIRTH, fortunate enough to be raised by an awesome family. The idea of being aborted instead has haunted me *several times* . Robbing a human life of even the chance to live even with another family waiting with open arms for them is abhorent and I wont stand for it. Thank you to all adoptive parents, your compasion is something ive witnessed first hand.

[@nanasbabies58]

Couldn’t watch this! These people are so desensitized. Just the explanation of an abortion procedure is so upsetting. Doesn’t bother them one bit. May the lord have mercy on their souls.

[@lisapatrino7405]

Exactly I'm in 😢 tears. It's like a stab in the ❤️ 💙 💜

[@TiciaM]

Yes, I had to skip several times because I could not handle the descriptions.

[@lily_1001]

⁠i have a questions to asks. 1. Should women stop using birth control and plan A an B pills since it kills the living sperms. 2. Does the baby matter more then the mother life if the mother has a high chance of dying. 3. What about women that have to get an abortion if they or the baby won’t be able to survive. 4. Why isn’t the men at fault since they don’t want to wear protection when they doing the deed? 5. Why is pro lifers calling people murderers when they don’t know what’s going on in their live.

[@lisapatrino7405]

@lily_1001 POSSIBLELY, LIVE BY THE INSTRUCTIONS GOD GAVE TO YOU, NO SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE THE BIBLE IS B.I. B.L.E... BASIC INSTRUCTION BEFORE LEAVING EARTH. STOP HAVING SEX. ARE YOU ACTUALLY BLAMING THE GUY FOR YOUR INABILITY TO JUST SAY "NO" IM GOING TO SAVE MY BODY FOR GODS PURPOSE AND FOR MY HUSBAND. THAY WAY YOU'LL NEVER LOSE. WAKE UP MY CHILD ETERNITY IS FOR EVER. TIME IS SHORT. JESUS IS COMING VERY VERY SOON. CONFESS JESUS CHRIST AND THE SHALL BE SAVED. SAVED FROM WHAT??? AN ETERNITY IN HELL, SHEOL,THE LAKE OF FIRE WHERE SMOKE OF THERE TORMENT GOES UP FOR FOREVER AND FOREVER. JESUS IS NOT JUST A FIGMENT OF YOUR IMAGINATION. I TELL YOU THE TRUTH. BECAUSE I LOVE YOU DONT WANT TO SEE YOU GO TO HELL THAT TERRIFIES ME. ... WE ARE THE LAST GENERATION. PERIOD.!

[@rosered6876]

​@lily_1001 so birth control doesn't kill sperm, it interferes with implantation or fertilization of the egg. No mother, no baby. I had toxcemia. Most women survive it. Truly critical, life threatening pregnancies are already usually delivered immediately. Good question. Men definitely need to be more accountable. It is murder.

[@Glory2Yeshua]

She demolished her own argument by saying majority of women don’t orgasm during sex that makes the whole situation even worse so you’re not getting anything out of it and you’re taking a human life. So you’re telling me there’s no reason to be having sex in the first place

[@davidryan8547]

"I don't think anyone loves their abortion" she says towards the end after saying several times earlier that most women report being happy with their abortion even years later.

[@happygolucky9004]

I think she means most women go on to be happy not that having an abortion made them happy.

[@unamusedmule]

I usually get pro-abortionists to admit that they agree with aborting kids with disabilities and then show them what happened in Germany between 1933 and 1945. That Eugenics. That's sick.

[@trentjacobs3957]

It's not just sick, it's truly horrific. Grotesque. Heartbreaking. This is why a particularly rabid hardcore bigot looked to her fellow leftist bigots in Germany when she founded planned parenthood. This is why Nazis looked to Margaret Sanger for inspiration for their final solution. This is why Margaret Sanger said at a wives of the KKK rally that "we don't want the word to get out that we want to exterminate the black population". Leftists have been hardcore bigots and sociopathic eugenicists since Karl Marx prescribed this horrific unAmerican ideology and it(leftism) has resulted in well over a hundred million deaths across the planet over the last century. The wanton taking of innocent lives is indeed immoral, regardless of who the victim is, even if the victim is your own son or daughter, even if you sincerely believe he or she is disposable. This is beyond sick, it is nothing short of pure unadulterated evil.

[@OppressedPotato]

Wait til they find out about Margaret Sanger...

[@loutsont2985]

Debating trick. I could say: you want to let any foetus be born - what about Hitler? Cheap.

[@firinnamas]

Many of them know and they don't care or they will make excuses@@OppressedPotato

[@volancydogs]

Why is making our population more genetically healthy a bad thing? We aren't subject to natural selection anymore (at least very minimally), so we're going to get genetically less and less healthy unless we make intelligent decisions about what genes are passed on.

[@CocktailsConsoles]

When I was in high school, we had to watch movies of gruesome car crashes. Definitely made you think before getting drunk and getting behind the wheel. Show a woman the video of a fetus undergoing an ab*rtion. Then watch them try to defend doing that.

[@sydneemikumuren9812]

Yes I dont know why we aren't allowed to show what an abortion is. It's literally informed consent, but of course leftists only care about consent when its convenient

[@donadeavera9608]

Good idea

[@SilencerXLR8]

Yeah but they won't watch it. Im willing to bet my big left toe at least 60% of women couldn't stomach the whole thing

[@firinnamas]

Pro-abortionists would never allow it because they know it would change the minds of almost all women considering the hiring a "doctor" to execute their baby. I use pro-abortionist instead of pro-choice for this very reason. If they were really pro-choice then they would want women to have all relevant information before making that choice. No one can make a good choice with limited information. This is why they prevented Texas from mandating ultrasounds before choosing execution. They knew that many if not most women would choose life if they saw the baby they are about to pay someone to kill. They are not pro-choice. They love abortion. They celebrate it. They brag about it. Disgusting.

[@StoneAgeWarfare]

I completely forgot about Red Asphalt until I scarred myself again recently.

[@kimberlypride4046]

I carried and gave birth to six children. My second pregnancy ended with a 90% abruption, thus an emergency caesarean section. I carried four children after that, the last pregnancy the baby was born with no complications for the child. He was perfect. I however continued to hemorrhage and was placed in a chemical coma for 6 weeks. During that time I had several strokes and 11 surgeries. I underwent dialysis. When they brought me out of the coma the neurologist was certain I had brain damage. He was wrong. I returned to college 4 years later and earned a BSN. The doctor that delivered my 6th child encouraged me to abort during my second appointment. I did not. Was it worth it? YES!!!

[@gramajan4]

YOU are the one these women need to be debating!

[@jyllianrainbow7371]

It genuinely disturbs me that women have become so apathetic towards their own unborn offspring.

[@Vaedyx]

And if you disagree with them they’ll immediately call you a child rape supporter. It’s disgusting

[@leaperforlife1]

Nate, since you're relatively new to Whatever, just know that it is an incredibly depraved podcast that ridiculously accurately portrays the acumen of modern America.

[@sharonparker7148]

Well said

[@larsen8059]

Well, that's a scary thought. No doubt it is true, however. Just very scary.

[@loutsont2985]

Both ways?

[@coreym2336]

There is a growing movement of young people coming to faith and wanting a more conservative monogamous relationship and life style. The current secular world view has not given the answers that young people are looking for (even though the secular world view said that it had every answer than religions had... which is clearly doesn't). I have hope for the future. I am 24 and came to Christian Faith about a year ago and my mental out look on life has done a complete 180 for the better. Christians (and other faiths) and those with conservative view points aren't having abortions. Give it 20 years and the political needle with shift heavily in the right, child protecting direction.

[@srose7366]

May God continue to bless you as you serve Him

[@loutsont2985]

I sincerely hope you will not meet the less pleasant offspring of dogma and that you will walk in the light of Jesus' love.

[@Jessica-gs1hv]

😢 i hope you are right but I'm not as optimistic

[@luismatias5985]

I think the future is a black future its turning out not like anyone at all thought.

[@loispetrey5188]

Dr. Ben Carson in one of his speeches describes the medical description of an abortion, brought me to tears. I am a 71 year old woman who made the horrible decision for an abortion fifty years ago. It is a nightmare I live everyday. I beg for God’s mercy and forgiveness. I will carry that to my grave.

[@gramajan4]

If you've laid your sin at the cross and surrendered your will to Him, He has already forgiven you, Lois. He tells us, His followers, in Psalm 103 8-12: " "The Lord is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love. He will not always accuse, nor will he harbor his anger forever; he does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities. For as high as the heavens are above the earth, so great is his love for those who fear him; as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us". We can walk in the freedom of forgiveness, praise God!

[@carinjansenvanvuuren8988]

What she said! Jesus died for your sins and you’re washed clean! I believe your baby is in heaven with Him❤

[@jgreene81]

Sex isn't just about reproduction. Food isn't just about nourishment. But I can't eat food without getting the calories. It's not punishment. It's just how life works!

[@loutsont2985]

Natural, stress-induced abortion exists.

[@chucktowne]

The woman with the glasses would not allow anyone else to speak. I bet those women were getting frustrated over that.

[@craigamore2319]

These ladies are dancing around. They are entirely, morally wrong on multiple fronts, but I find it fascinating that they were accurately able to pin Charlie on the guilt of the mother for her part in the abortion. A mother freely taking herself and her child to the abortionist is just as morally culpable as the abortionist and should be held liable legally as, would the abortionist, in a just society. I love Charlie, but he is inconsistent on this point, and they called him on it.

[@Bertoleyus]

Kirk did good here, but he failed on 2 key points. The first is when a girl pointed out that women ARE STILL GETTING ABORTIONS in states that have banned them using chemicals, and they are doing it legally, and Kirk says "I don’t want dwell on that", and when they again called him out for his inconsistency, he said "women are victims". This takes all responsibility off women as some sort of protected class, instead of holding them to account. The reason these women kept going around in circles is because THEY KNOW they're wrong, and they don’t care. They're obfuscating and distracting from the truth. They are only trying to emotionally blackmail you out of your position.

[@dananderson6697]

That second paragraph is absolutely spot on.

[@loutsont2985]

Everything goes in dogma and war.

[@silver.gambit9107]

5:28 “Kirk will say some interesting things he seems like a smart guy, then the ball goes over to the ladies and they’ll say….. things” 😂😂😂 had me Rolling

[@deew5587]

Still rolling myself. 😂😂

[@duffman9908]

The culture of selfishness on full display

[@GoldenPink-fv5uh]

Idk how to feel about abortion but knowing you don't want kids and still want sex, I don't see why its considered selfish, society now a days will fyvk over the kids and which will result in a horrible future. That option should be between the partners or the woman, not everybody else plus the government

[@Particularly_John_Gill]

The women were 100% correct on that women are also accountable for the murder of their child. Kirk is inconsistent.

[@patrickbarnes9874]

5:35 The little pause and the expression on his face when Nate said Kirk will say some intelligent things and then the girls will "say......things" was hilarious. That little pause where he intentionally skips the word "intelligent" when talking about the pro-choice position was priceless.

[@maverick1740]

Go and try to not feed your child. When they drag you to court, make the argument to the judge: "they don't have a right to my money." See what happens. These women are intentionally avoiding the obvious issue that you do have a responsibility to your unborn child. You don't get to live life apart from responsibility to other people.

[@loutsont2985]

Including the responsibility to be able to raise the child in a healthy, loving environment.

[@colmortimer1066]

I agree there are better ways to have discourse, but I had a lot of friends years ago, where I had conversations like this, as I was quite secular minded and was really good and deflecting, dismissing the arguments given. And my friends where young, often younger than I was, and made nowhere near the articulate responses as Charlie Kirk did here. But after these chats, I would go away trying to find better arguments to beat them, find my mistakes and try to do better. But what really happened was I would not find a good argument and I slowly changed my opinions. My closest and longest friend today is a pro-life conservative, that I argued with quite a bit in those days, but now we can laugh at how misguided I was, and we agree on most every issue now days. I like to think others sit through these chats, trying to deal with the cognitive dissonance of it all, only to slowly change their views as I did.

[@loutsont2985]

Glad to see you allowed yourself a change of view. Neither position is wrong per se.

[@SuperSaiyanScandinavian]

I wonder if Wise Disciple would ever go on Whatever. I get that it's not his scene, nor is it mine, but i do watch for a bit from time to time. They've had a decent amount of Christians on the show. Then again i think the shows often go for 5-6 hours which would be hard to stomach in person. i'm always happy to see Christians on there that I already follow and respect defending either Christianity itself or at the very least the morals that we hold.

[@loutsont2985]

Do you live those morals or do you pin them on your lapel?

[@SuperSaiyanScandinavian]

@@loutsont2985lol what? who hurt you?

[@gramajan4]

@@loutsont2985 Do you?

[@Far_a_mir]

I only watch Whatever videos when they do have a strong conservative/Christian on. Michael Knowles, Trent Horn...

[@foxfire20gunner29]

She's a German guard she just needs a mustache and musket to get the full effect..😆

[@oekmama]

Not German, but Prussian.

[@foxfire20gunner29]

@@oekmama but it comes from the German empire

[@loutsont2985]

Judgeing by your name you will hand her the musket.

[@firingallcylinders2949]

Hey Wise Disciple, that's an Imperial German helmet called a Pickelhaube that she's wearing.

[@sanuelkessler8435]

As much as people have issues with Kirk, this is solid. At some point we have to understand that no matter how many facts we lay out though, those that have a hard heart will continue with their hedonistic ways, because they only desire the flesh and its temporary pleasures. Pray for eyes and hearts to be open, but sometimes you must present the truth and walk away.

[@n.c.1201]

"Truth" is the God of the Bible slaughters innocent children all the time. You'll need to help me out and show me some verses where God saves innocent baby lives. I will ask you to show me verses of God saving innocent babies in the womb.... I will walk away upon sending this inquiry.

[@f308gtb1977]

He’s not solid here either. 😂

[@sanuelkessler8435]

@@f308gtb1977 explain yourself then, please.

[@CassTeaElle]

I don't think he's quite solid on this issue. The notion that women should not be prosecuted for abortion is very wrong and completely unbiblical. Women absolutely have enough information to know abortion is wrong, regardless of whatever their doctor says. A 5 year old knows there is a baby in a woman's uterus when she is pregnant. To argue that these women don't know that because culture has lied to them is just nonsense. They know more than enough to be held culpable.

[@sanuelkessler8435]

@@CassTeaElle fair enough in that regard. I do believe he was trying to just extend a little more grace in order to keep the conversation going.

[@gpredd1]

I really don’t believe that you can change a mind that doesn’t want to be changed. I heard that all we can do is plant the seed and God would handle the rest. I’m an old guy and it took me a lot to understand that I’m not in control, but it had to be Gods choice no one could tell me different until my spirit took hold. It’s so sad how selfish the world has become. God help us all.

[@SINQUEFIELD83]

Diciding whether or not a human is going to have a life is distinguished by how the mother feels at that particular time.

[@kellenmarler6816]

"Unbelievable hosted by Jerry Springer" is the perfect description of this podcast

[@MistyLunaLotus]

All I have to say to these women is this: I can tell you as a woman who found out she was pregnant the same day she lost her baby through miscarriage, (only found out when I saw it) you can ABSOLUTELY miss someone you never met. I mourned that loss and continue to mourn, don't dare tell me I was mistaken

[@jasonwesbrock8735]

The Whatever Podcast is to intellectual discourse what Joel Osteen is to biblical exegesis.

[@redlandz1977]

In and of itself, possibly for the Leftists who are arguing with someone else, I’d agree that there is very little “intellectual” being applied. For the home audience, there is the potential to see the weak and nonsensical arguments the Left puts forward to support their positions…

[@PatrioticAtm]

Has anyone done you the favor and let you know that you and Tim Meadows from SNL are twins?!?! Love the work. Just found the channel, and can't wait to see more!

[@adammeade2300]

I wanted to fight you, but then I did a google. 👌

[@triviatrudy]

What else would it be if it were not human? A unicorn?

[@PirateKing32]

I used to watch clips from this podcast but the main problem with this podcast is showcased here, it’s usually 4-6 people on one side and then one guy on the other and they all just throw questions out to rapid fire off topics that need to get more than the 30 seconds to a minute they’re allotted and often the singular person is on the defensive without getting to establish the position. Like you mentioned it’s a change of topic without establishing definitions.

[@ShiniGuraiJoker]

I agree. They don't care about actual intelligent discourse. They want to bash women and get views.

[@denisejones1863]

Nothing worse than a loud group of women competing to be heard. I do think they are should be made to watch a abortion before they can speak on it.

[@denisejones1863]

Nothing worse than a group of women who speak over each other. This conversation should not of happened without them being made to watch a actual abortion. It is easy to support something you don't understand.

[@thinkingbiblicallywithjexx6564]

When I first became a believer I held pro-choice views, but on the premise that others could do what they wanted, but I would never get an abortion. One day on the advice of my pastor's wife I decided to look up what an abortion looks like and that video changed my outlook. I watched as the baby tried to get away, he was squirming, and I saw him being torn limb by limb. I was so heartbroken. A baby is not just a clump of cells in the womb and we have become so cold that our society would actually advocate for this violence towards the most vulnerable human beings. I could never agree with a woman getting an abortion under any circumstance and do mean ANY CIRCUMSTANCE!

[@happygolucky9004]

So no circumstance? What about ectopic pregnancies? You just going to allow a woman to die? Also most abortions are done before 10 weeks with pills. They don't tell you that.

[@ogloc6308]

Kirk takes a huge L for believing that women that murder their children in the womb SHOULD NOT face legal penalties. He doesn’t believe that babies deserve equal rights and protections. Thats like saying only hitmen should be arrested and not the person who hired the hitman. This is why the “prolife” movement is a sham and we all need to support abolitionists instead. Check out End Abortion Now

[@hookoffthejab1]

Agreed. Even these ladies saw through the inconsistency and pushed him on that, but he knows that's an unpopular opinion so he won't allow himself to be consistent. Every woman that has willingly had an abortion knows that what was inside them was human. They may not be fully informed as to exactly what the process looks like or the potential side effects, but they are not victims.

[@bobSeigar]

I disagree. In a different context, same argument: If you sin in ignorance, that doesn't damn you. Brainwashing is powerful.

[@krisjones4051]

@@bobSeigarWhere in the Bible does it say that sin can be committed in ignorance? Not a single woman in 2024 America can claim to not know that killing their baby thru abortion is wrong bro. Come on now 😂 Sin is merely that which misses the mark of perfection m/God. You’ll be held to account for all of your sins, including the ones you were in denial about.

[@bobSeigar]

@@krisjones4051 Oh, you're dualistic. "You have sinned, therefore hell." You, literally. False Equivalency. I never said the "Bible says you can sin." Not even remotely the argument I made. Thanks for being disingenuous, intentionally. Sin without knowledge, does not mean eternal damnation. Are you new to Christendom? Can you give me a proper, Christian response, and not one formed by the world?

[@freedomslunch]

​@@bobSeigarIn Leviticus, there are sacrifices for sin for a number of types of sins, including unintentional ones.

[@Playlist849236]

There is no reason to have an abortion.

[@joel1245]

Kirk is right. When my brother is having trouble of being born, the doctors tried to pressure my mother to take abortion. My mother stood her ground and finally gave birth to my brother.

[@TheHappyHousewife89]

The woman who said women don't know they're pregnant until 6 weeks either doesn't know anything about the current pregnancy tests on the market, or she's intentionally not being truthful.

[@happygolucky9004]

I think she means that a home pregnancy test recommend taking after your 1st missed period. Many women have irregular periods or have long cycles so they may not think to take a pregnancy test because they miss their period so often.

[@Dominus564]

Exactly! I keep noticing the young woman with the Prussian style helmet every time i see a clip this podcast. I keep wondering why she doesn't say anything.

[@paraax]

My guess is she is staff? She is not seated at the table with a microphone.

[@Ize19]

She started as a guest, and became friends with the host. He then hired her to wear the helmet and sit there, as a joke and to provide fodder for the live chat to discuss. Sometimes she helps guide conversation when the host has to leave to take care of something.

[@bobSeigar]

She is there precisely to make people ask.

[@knightshadeyoutube]

What?​@Lee-km7qq

[@firingallcylinders2949]

Do you even watch the podcast. This entire podcast exists to callout the sleeze.​@Lee-km7qq

[@MathewDRhys]

Murder is never safe.

[@happygolucky9004]

Abortion isn't murder. Murder = the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. (Oxford dictionary). Abortion is legal in the US and therefore cannot accurately be described as murder.

[@MathewDRhys]

@@happygolucky9004 Nice way to justify the Armenian genocide, the Holocaust, The Terror, the Dekulakization, and the invasion of the Crimea. You're a real humanitarian, you are. Murder isn't unlawful because a gov't says so, but because it is against the NATURAL Law.

[@Your_online_dude]

@@happygolucky9004 well then what are you doing then? What happens to the baby?

[@happygolucky9004]

@@Your_online_dude Well first, it's not a baby. A baby is a born human. It's a fetus (which is an unborn human). That depends on the stage of development. From 6-10 weeks abortion is done using a pill. The uterus contacts and the fetus is expelled by the body.

[@seeqr9]

She's right to call out the inconsistency of penalizing abortionists and not the woman killing her child tho. This is the difference between the "pro life" industry and abolitionists.

[@urmotha976]

it’s like you didn’t hear Kirk’s response. 90% of women do not see an ultrasound before an abortion. there is no informed consent… clearly seeing as how even those women didn’t know that life begins at conception. you will never get anywhere trying to penalize the women.

[@dananderson6697]

It seems to me that, until you have full informed consent, it's needlessly sticky trying to punish the women. Once there are informed consent laws and no one is without excuse, then it would absolutely be acceptable. Until then, you and I both know that the woman has some concept of what she is doing with an abortion, but we would never be able to definitively prove the degree of her knowledge.

[@seeqr9]

@@dananderson6697 I get that. I may have misheard but I understood the question to be “would you punish the mother who gets..?”(future) rather than “would you punish the mother who has already..?” (Past). I don’t know of any abolitionist’s who even push to retroactively punish doctors let alone the mothers and it certainly wasn’t what I meant to imply either. So the abolitionist’s position is to declare that abortion is legally murder and that it will be punished in the same way. Anything less and women will always be able to claim ignorance and victimhood.

[@gramajan4]

@@seeqr9 The only way to do that is to fully educate women in this country on the reality of abortion. Do you really think that will happen in today's insane world? I do not.

[@seeqr9]

@@gramajan4 do you have to educate everything that murder will get them in prison or do you simply prosecute murders? Pretty sure if they decide to enforce the law equally the word will quickly get around.

[@loispetrey5188]

Murder is murder!!

[@GenXfrom75]

Women give birth to humans, not puppies… of course a human fetus is a living human. They have their own unique dna, a heartbeat, they’re growing. It’s just a stage of development, like newborn, toddler, teenager. Location and size doesn’t change the fetuses value or make him or her anything less than a human being right from day one. Wanted, planned or undesired, each pregnancy consists of a growing human.

[@Declared-righteous]

Regarding women being victims 90% of the time is just wrong. Charlie is wrong about that. His point that women have been lied to is correct but the answer is simple. All abortion must be outlawed with criminalization for everyone who was willfully (not coerced) involved. Including the mother and the father who paid for it. The LAW then becomes “informed consent”.

[@nrg753]

Yep. They call women the victim. We know murder is a sin. You can't outlaw abortion if the person performing the act is a victim.

[@FoxWest603]

I bet their social media says" why cant i find a good man?" At least once on it......😂😂😂

[@j2mfp78]

One of the best arguments I've heard used against these types of people. One that shows the hypocrisy and true reason, which is selfishness, is to ask them the following question. Imagine we have the technology to determine a baby will be homosexual? Can a parent decide they dont want a gay child and abort it? Watch them fly off the hinges and say how wrong and cruel that would be. But if its just an inconvenience to them, then its "my body my choice" Dont believe me? Test it out. It works every time

[@drgibbster7122]

This podcast has a reputation of usually bringing on men or women (mostly women) who are deeply liberal and have no knowledge of anything besides how they feel, and then the people who do technically have the right view destroys these intellectual babies who only believe in their emotions. While the Hosts of this podcast usually have a correct take of any certain subject, I don't like who they purposely choose to come onto their podcast. They do it for easy views, easy wins, and easy clips. As always, I love your take. Praise God that I found someone on KZbin who believes what I do and reminds me to do so in a Godly manner. Thank you sir.

[@lisasteen66]

Almost thirty years ago, I donated 6 eggs to my sister. She was unable to conceive and her eggs were not viable. What does this have to do with abortion? When those eggs became embryos, I became tortured. In my heart, I wanted them back. I don't care. I regretted giving up those eggs to her. She never conceived. Thank God. Now, I don't regret they existed. I just wish things could have been different and that they were born to me.

[@happygolucky9004]

That still has nothing to do with abortion.

[@seekinghisways]

I love that the woman in glasses called Charlie out on his inconsistency. If abortion is murder and we believe murder is wrong then anyone who performs OR procures an abortion should be held accountable. The pro-life position tends to infantalize women and treat them like they’re too dumb to understand what they’re doing. The unborn deserve equal protection under the law, just the like the born have protection and I hope Charlie Kirk will open himself up to accepting that.

[@Shesobold]

I agree

[@happygolucky9004]

He's using the word murder incorrectly. Murder = "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another." (Oxford dictionary) Abortion is legal in the US and therefore cannot accurately be called murder.

[@gilapo27]

Man over this debate i was incredibly just angry and felt an insane ammount of impotence as he says DO NOT let them move from your point, they will keep making scenarios up if that first question is not answered and defined properly, then Charlie got to the part where he describes an abortion and the woman starts laughing... fully deceived unaware of the seriousness that is being depicted.... may God bless them with tenderness of heart. You have no clue how angry that made me, i won't sin in my anger, and i am not mad at her but on satan's deception...

[@DomainofInsanityA113]

Its sad how the girl in the glasses thinks a debate should be conducted. Just because you throw your speech, and your script a million miles a second, and attempt to talk over the opposing side, doesnt mean you have a good, or even stable argument. Hers is sadly a speech that many have spoken before and using the same language, that sounds like a script at this point. Even the reactions to his responses and talking points

[@user-ok3ph5qc9q]

I had an abortion in my early twenties. My biggest regret in life. I made a decision in naivety and i wish that there had been someone there to show me that there was a baby in my belly - not a 'lump of cells' as the pro-abortionists call it.

[@sharonparker7148]

I was 22 in 1972. I just finished surrendering the secret. it’s a eight week study should be done with the counselor someone that’s been through an abortion and it changed my life. I have kept this secret and his torn me apart so I know how you feel. I had no idea what was going on.

[@user-ok3ph5qc9q]

@@sharonparker7148 I would be interested to see how many people like us have regret. The women who appeared on this panel suggested that women were celebrating it. All of the buzzwords that are being created to make abortion more acceptable is incredibly concerning! I was a victim to it and i pray that women start to listen to real reason and avoid what we did in naivety!

[@ohsusanneh]

I was in my early 20’s as well and it is my biggest regret. I wish I had asked for an ultrasound. I wished I had walked out before because I knew it was wrong but I was scared to upset my boyfriend at the time. The grief and hatred of myself felt caused me to punish myself various ways. I always dreamed of being a mom before and having a family. I’m 46 now and I have neither because I didn’t think I deserved either. It took me 20 years to forgive myself. I was finally able to forgive myself by going to an abortion recovery group called Forgiven and Set Free in 2022. I pray all women who have chosen this path seek support and heal and aren’t shamed for feeling guilt and shame for it like I was. Society has lied and continues to lie about the real aftermath of this decision. Planned Parenthood is a business and very profitable one so of course they would never persuade women not get one.

[@happygolucky9004]

There is no baby in the womb it's a fetus. That's because fetus and baby are both words to describe different stages of human development. You wouldn't call a toddler a man. Similarly it's illogical to call a fetus a baby. Baby = a very young child, especially one newly or recently born (Oxford dictionary). Fetus = specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth (Merriam-Webster Dictionary)

[@gramajan4]

@@happygolucky9004 You really need to stop.

[@BK-Ben]

This is why Christ is to be the head of man and man, the head of woman. These people are certifiable!

[@MatthewDurden]

I saw an abortion on twitter and I will never subject myself or anyone else to that.

[@elicastillomusic]

These women just constantly ask contradictory and ridiculous questions one after another with no explanation no stats no facts no points from their side at all whatsoever. It is quite literally the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen when people furiously argue their point without any reasoning to back up their claims other than their feelings.

[@bearmtn7]

"I have a right to bodily autonomy" So does the baby

[@happygolucky9004]

Who's rights matter more?

[@kathiestephenson4512]

​@@happygolucky9004Each life is equally important.

[@happygolucky9004]

@@kathiestephenson4512 So if the woman's life was in danger and she needed an emergency abortion would you just let her die?

[@necrobabe6190]

​@@happygolucky9004 that's extremely rare

[@happygolucky9004]

@@necrobabe6190 Ectopic pregnancies are 1 out of 50 pregnancies. So it effects a lot of women when you apply it to the entire US. It's at least 40 thousand women a year. That's not a small number.

[@jeffhammel2407]

I read an article a number of years ago about a man in the right to life organization that was tired of arguing about the number of weeks before a fetus is considered a human so he arbitrarily decides that the he and the organization will say that the fetus is human from the moment of conception regardless of the evidence arbitrarily. If a fetus has webbed hands and feet, gill slits and a tail I would not look on it as currently as a human.

[@katmancilla5777]

I haven't seen a video of an abortion but I've seen a video of someone going through the trash from a clinic and finding limbs of babies. It's terrifying. As a mother it was the hardest thing I have watched.

[@step6584]

It’s hard to watch this show because there are questions raised and none of them are answered.

[@TGuard00014]

Daddy issues is the answer to this entire mess.

[@hamblinta]

The depth of deception at work in these young ladies is truly frightening.

[@Garlicbreadsupremacist631]

unrelated, this man looks like tony stark

[@Womb_to_Tomb_Apologetics]

Evasiveness and dodging. That's all they know how to do.

[@tonedeaf310]

Having seen several clips from other episodes this podcast, I have 2 observations: 1. The format of one expert arguing with several amateurs terms to lead to one side making concise points and the other devolving into chaos. This is exactly why formal debate have rules, rounds, and only one person at a time is allowed to speak. 2. The tendency of the panel to lead the expert down rabbit tails is designed not to lead to understanding and consensus, but rather to maximize engagement (enragement to) for the monetization of the channel. Discussions in good faith are worthwhile, and I appreciate you providing recommendations for people engaging with others on serious issues of faith and morality.

[@asylum9644]

This was pretty predictable from the start... I mean, you have a gal wearing a WWI German helmet sitting in the background... and 7 women dressed in lingerie, re-affirming each other, across from Kirk. Just sad.

[@anukaee8520]

Wow this is a very eye opening video because I get stuck and you shed light on these issues

[@johnmorgan2551]

The girl in the background with the soldier helmet is Maddy, who is an apprentice at the podcast. The helmet is an inside joke because the host enjoys history and has a Prussian officer’s uniform, including the helmet

[@Your_online_dude]

Ohhhh hahaha I thought it looked out there 😂

[@moflife8416]

“Is this for the upcoming Nutcracker performance?” KILLED me 😭

[@SunDevilDave]

Excellent breakdown Nate!

[@jmixOff]

These women creating a wrong culture 😢i feel bad for them 😢.

[@hanzohasashi1116]

3:05 just because a women doesn’t figure out that she’s pregnant at 6 weeks doesn’t mean she wasn’t up until then. Pregnancy doesn’t begin when the little stick tells you. But women like this know everything.

[@MultiRocknroll123]

Charlie is also way off by saying the women are victims. If youve done ministry outside of a clinic, you know a lot know exactly what they are doing.

[@Mimi-pt4fo]

Ask this. If a woman is going to an abortion clinic and gets killed by a driver. Does the court say 2 lives were killed?

[@sorrynotsorry3264]

Awareness of being pregnant really doesnt justify where life begins. We had a patient(a teenager) that was brought to the hospital cause she was complaining of severe abdominal pain and when an ob checked her she was confirmed pregnant and needs to deliver her baby.

[@afham5510]

Great video. Hitting the comments for the algorithm 🤙

[@protonjones54]

4:16 honestly i wonder the same thing. I've watched a fair amount of the whatever podcast and not ONCE has anyone ever explained why there's a random Asian chick in the background, always wearing a pickelhaube, and dead silent for the entire episode, for EVERY EPISODE. Drives me insane

[@jack-dalton]

I can't believe we have to argue about this.

[@user-uo9dj7hn6h]

I would love to see these women debate Jeff Durbin

[@bradleyhagerman]

Cognitive dissonance is why these ladies skip from topic to topic. If they slowed down, they’d have to wrestle with the counter arguments that Charlie Kirk is presenting. Sadly, this is how the majority of conversations go with pro-choice people. They never want to slow down long enough to let you hold their feet to the fire on a clear and well made point.

[@user-in3bu7jf5d]

Great commentary on this video, I completely agree with your analysis of it. I found myself frustrated by how often these women were directing and changing the course of the discussion.

[@virginiasultana3654]

I work in a microbiology lab in a hospital. The other day, we had to dissect a 6-week foetus in order to gain tissue culture from it. It was so small, and red, and it was undeniably human. I couldn't see much because I'm so new to the lab that I was told only to watch, but boy did it look human. That poor little baby was a miscarriage. I'm glad I didn't have to deal with it, but I know that I will have to at some point. I'm a scientific assistant, so I'm the one preparing agar plates and all sorts of other tests for the scientists to read. I know I will have to do that to a child who didn't get to grow so we can find out why it died and help its mother have another chance. They're so fragile. The day after, I was learning how to set up fresh tissue (joints, bits of muscle, abscesses, even a whole toe) and I saw on the list of things to go through fresh tissue from a baby. I looked at the request form, and I was saddened to see that it belonged to a baby whose bloods I had been seeing for months when I was in the Central Specimen reception part of the lab. That little baby was a fighter, and had been in the hospital since its birth at I don't know how many weeks but it was born in March. That little life grew and fought until it couldn't anymore. Babies fight. And it's no less sad seeing a tiny baby dead before it was born than a name on a computer and knowing who it was. I pray for those parents, and for all families who experience this loss.

[@karenhall4645]

I can't believe it didn't even phase them that a million babies have been aborted. And yes, every child conceived deserves to live. How callous for her to ask if the baby of a homeless mother or a r*pe victim deserves to live. The child committed no crime and homeless people have just as much value as the richest millionaire in the world.

[@living_the_mac_and_cheese_life]

saying a woman doesn’t know she is pregnant for six weeks is like saying she didn’t know there was carbon monoxide in her apartment until she was about to die.

[@wet-read]

That is one of the screwiest analogies I've ever heard 🤔

[@happygolucky9004]

Many women have what's called irregular periods. This means they can go weeks without realizing they are pregnant because they skip periods all the time.

[@living_the_mac_and_cheese_life]

@@happygolucky9004 a skipped period and having a baby in your womb are two completely different things. My wife had irregular periods and knew she was pregnant before we took the test.

[@living_the_mac_and_cheese_life]

@@wet-read i guess you don’t hear a lot from the whatever podcast then. lmao.

[@SurprisedBluebonnetFlowe-ng4fx]

Don't understand your analogy I did know I was pregnant till I was already one month in my pregnancy

[@nickbailey7429]

We as people have been sinful since the fall. Wickedness isn’t new but it is still shocking to hear people advocate for the killing of unborn children.

[@jeffwright422]

“He’ll say smart things.. then the ball goes over to the ladies. They’ll say… things…” 😂😂

[@godiswisdom5853]

I met a younger woman at work. She would wait on me every morning. She was a customer but ended up a friend. She found out I was a Christian and asked me about abortion. I thought it was just a random question. I replied, "Abortion is murdering your own child." I also told her about my sixteen year younger baby sister. My mother was told to abort her because she would have down syndrome. Two different doctors told my mother that. I was upset and fought against everyone. I told everyone that my baby brother/sister (I didn't know at the time) would be healthy. If my sibling wasn't then it didn't matter. I don't believe down syndrome is a reason to kill a baby. I don't believe rape is a reason either but I digress. My baby sister came out healthy and happy. The hospital was in shock because she didn't have the common bruises or anything. The nurses were watching her laughing when she was in a room full of crying babies. 😂 I don't blame the babies for crying. I would've cried too. My point is that Jesus made sure my sister was perfect because of my faith. She just graduated highschool, got married, and moved out. she married a young man that was in the military. I almost didn't get to see her grow up because two separate doctors told my mother that she should kill my sister. We would've missed out on her entire life and lost all of those memories. My mother was raised to believe all of that but has changed her stance on abortion. She never got an abortion before. Anyways, the girl broke down sobbing. She had a abortion when she was sixteen. Her mom died when she was a small child. Her dad was was a doctor and would disown her. She had no family but him and a sister. They found out and disowned her regardless. She regretted the abortion. She told me that she has asked hundreds of women and none had told her what I did. All of the women she asked would claim she did the right thing. I gave her a hug. I told her that the Lord loved her no matter what. She already repented and that's why she kept asking other women the same question over and over. She felt awful about it and wanted reinforcement on repentance. She had no reason to keep asking if she wanted them all to say 'kudos' to aborting. After we spoke, I noticed that she seemed happier. My boss ended up making her leave. My boss thought she was getting in the way but she wasn't. I would work while I spoke to her; except when she cried that time. I haven't seen her since then but I pray she's happy and find the Lord one day.

[@potsu1369]

I was one of these girls just a year ago. I would go and debate on podcast and was a feminist. Now im saved in Jesus name and know the truth. All glory to Jesus. I hope that these girls will see the love Jesus has for them too q

[@Phlogiston2312]

The thing is that these girls are not trained debaters and so they go back to all the cliches and all the scenarios that they've been taught to defend this practice