Charlie Munger: 'Opportunity comes to the prepared mind'

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The Financial Review

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Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger answer questions on Zen Buddhism, cost of capital and big ideas at the 2001 Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting.
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@Riggsnic_co
@Riggsnic_co 9 ай бұрын
Didn't Charlie Munger and Warren Buffett invent the strategy of buying/investing when the market is low and also buying/investing when the market is high? As Warren Buffet said, he has seen this happen many times in his life. Not an investor. My wife and i never earned more than a middle class salary. We plan to get retired at 58 with a stock portfolio worth $4M. We have never sold so much as one share of stock...
@hermanramos7092
@hermanramos7092 9 ай бұрын
It really isn’t about how much you save, it’s about how you manage your money. Whether you work to earn income or invest, it still boils down to income vs expenses, so yeah you may look into financial advisors for a strategy that suits your timing....
@martingiavarini
@martingiavarini 9 ай бұрын
i've been doing this same thing myself. Can't get into trouble with the IRS when I have no income and all my money is in stocks. I don't like doing the work though. Lol. So I just invest through an advisor who does the stock picking. My money grows, and I'm tax-free...
@bob.weaver72
@bob.weaver72 9 ай бұрын
Do you mind sharing info on the adviser who assisted you? been saving for pension since age 18 - company scheme. along the way I hit higher tax, so I added to my company pension with a SIPP (tax benefits) I'm 46 now and would love to grow my finance more aggressively, there are a few cars I still wish to drive, a few mega holidays, etc
@hermanramos7092
@hermanramos7092 9 ай бұрын
My advisor is "Catherine Morrison Evans". In terms of portfolio diversity, she's a genius. You can look her name up on the internet and verify her yourself. she has years of financial market experience plus she is also FINRA & SEC verifiable.
@bob.weaver72
@bob.weaver72 9 ай бұрын
She appears to be well-educated and well-read. I just ran a Google search for her name and came across her website; thank you for sharing.
@Raymondjohn2
@Raymondjohn2 11 ай бұрын
This is quite educational. It's crucial for newcomers to keep in mind that the financial markets are highly irrational in the short run. You should constantly be ready for the unexpected. That is how chance operates. Because of the inherent risks in the market, I always favor long-term investments.
@lipglosskitten2610
@lipglosskitten2610 11 ай бұрын
These uncertainties will always be there. Thing is, every once in a while, the market does something so stupid it takes your breath away. If youre not ready for it, you shouldnt be in the market business. or get you a skilled practitioner.
@martingiavarini
@martingiavarini 11 ай бұрын
Such market uncertainties are the reason I don’t base my market judgements and decisions on rumors' and hear-says, it got the best of me in the year 2020 and had me holding worthless positions in the market. I had to revamp my entire portfolio through the aid of Heather my financial advisr, before I started seeing any significant results happens in my portfolio. Been using the same advisor since then and I’ve scaled up almost a million within 2 years. Whether a bullish or down market, both makes for good profit, it all depends on where you’re looking…
@hermanramos7092
@hermanramos7092 11 ай бұрын
@@martingiavarini Not bad at all. I know a lot of folks that made fortunes from the Dotcom crash as well as the 08’ crash and I’ve been looking into similar opportunities in this present market. Could this coach that guides you help?
@martingiavarini
@martingiavarini 11 ай бұрын
@@hermanramos7092 Finding financial advisors like Catherine Morrison Evans who can assist you shape your portfolio would be a very creative option. There will be difficult times ahead, and prudent personal money management will be essential to navigating them.
@hermanramos7092
@hermanramos7092 11 ай бұрын
@@martingiavarini Thanks for sharing, I just looked her up on the web and I would say she really has an impressive background in investing. I will write her an e-mail shortly.
@Unknowledgeable1
@Unknowledgeable1 3 жыл бұрын
"The greatest weapon is a prepared mind" -- Zhuge Liang (3 kingdoms) "Luck is when preparation meets opportunity"
@bluesque9687
@bluesque9687 3 жыл бұрын
Whats also fascinating to see is that they are 85+ and they are eating icecream and drinking coke!
@HornetUK1
@HornetUK1 3 жыл бұрын
the money keeps you going
@SopranoPizzaJMFNJ
@SopranoPizzaJMFNJ 3 жыл бұрын
This is from 2001. They were mere youngsters back then. Buffett was about 70 & Munger was 77.
@arupb9293
@arupb9293 3 жыл бұрын
Buffet drinks 1.5L of coke daily. He is scientifically aware from meta analysis that he can eat alot of simple carbs as long as he workout.
@anon69669
@anon69669 3 жыл бұрын
They’ve spent their entire lives depriving themselves of any luxury so they can accumulate wealth. Their only vice is sugar. I’m the same way except I quit all processed sugar so my only vice is shrooms.
@jimjackson4256
@jimjackson4256 3 жыл бұрын
And all the guys eating bee pollen and bean sprouts are at home sick.
@WatermelonWizard
@WatermelonWizard 3 жыл бұрын
i love how theyre snacking on the desk so they dont get bored and promote their products they have many shares of.
@gordongordon98
@gordongordon98 3 жыл бұрын
The smarter the person the quicker and more often they spot patterns - like these 2 fine gents
@noranel-sherif1263
@noranel-sherif1263 2 жыл бұрын
True.., but it also took 40 years of Learning & Experience
@jonathanharlan8237
@jonathanharlan8237 2 жыл бұрын
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@hamzarhett6942
@hamzarhett6942 2 жыл бұрын
@Jonathan Harlan Instablaster :)
@simonecaputo9827
@simonecaputo9827 2 жыл бұрын
This video, a year ago, changed my life. Thank you, whoever you are.
@videowatching9576
@videowatching9576 Жыл бұрын
What part of the video in particular?
@barryswinton3224
@barryswinton3224 Жыл бұрын
@@videowatching9576 Nonya
@yardy88
@yardy88 3 жыл бұрын
"as a coke addict" He did not stutter. This is finance.
@Maxjeix01
@Maxjeix01 3 жыл бұрын
He meant coca cola.
@yardy88
@yardy88 3 жыл бұрын
@@Maxjeix01 whoosh
@pinksapphire2898
@pinksapphire2898 3 жыл бұрын
@@Maxjeix01 Haha, maybe he meant both. Cocaine is the rich mans drug.
@DilupthaPerera
@DilupthaPerera 3 жыл бұрын
Charlie's take on WACC was really eye-opening.
@itoldyounottotouchit3336
@itoldyounottotouchit3336 3 жыл бұрын
Charlie looks cute eating that chocolate popsicle. No wonder his last name is Munger.
@chiquita683
@chiquita683 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure it's not his first time
@booeylopa
@booeylopa 3 жыл бұрын
il aime manger
@andreasrnning2339
@andreasrnning2339 3 жыл бұрын
@@chiquita683 OR LAST WOOOOOOOOOO
@jaycho6747
@jaycho6747 2 жыл бұрын
Don't let that face fool you. That's how he made a billion dollars.
@Je.rone_
@Je.rone_ 3 жыл бұрын
Very true!!!! And coke addict could be taken the wrong way 😂
@jammapcb
@jammapcb 3 жыл бұрын
that's so wong!
@taccntb4345
@taccntb4345 3 жыл бұрын
Buffet talks about how amazing Coke is... Its a shit product as all unhealthy products are.
@barry3648
@barry3648 3 жыл бұрын
Long on $MEDELLIN
@Elizabeth-yg2mg
@Elizabeth-yg2mg 3 жыл бұрын
At first I thought he meant cocaine.
@1x0x
@1x0x Жыл бұрын
@@Elizabeth-yg2mg no shit
@catherinekenneth3909
@catherinekenneth3909 Жыл бұрын
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@kingadams7786
@kingadams7786 Жыл бұрын
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@bellmurphy8489
@bellmurphy8489 Жыл бұрын
I also started with 6000£ last month and my portfolio has grown tremendously to what I can't imagine.
@Rose-nj2zj
@Rose-nj2zj Жыл бұрын
Incredible mentoring session for traders !!! with the help of Sam Deymon.
@evelinabrev7403
@evelinabrev7403 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. Just checked the advisor out myself, and have sent an email. Is 40k enough to start? And btw, do you think real estate prices in Illinois at the moment?
@Commando303X
@Commando303X 3 жыл бұрын
Best opening half-sentence, ever.
@learngrow9496
@learngrow9496 3 жыл бұрын
What a great sense of humor these two have!
@sevendHruv
@sevendHruv 10 ай бұрын
Mr Sam Deymon has a great way of motivating people to achieve their goals and dreams. Thank you for sharing this with us.❤❤
@Bmayo-se2yg
@Bmayo-se2yg 10 ай бұрын
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@claudiasimon2732
@claudiasimon2732 10 ай бұрын
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@SharonHoeh
@SharonHoeh 10 ай бұрын
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@Financial-jw6pk
@Financial-jw6pk 10 ай бұрын
@@Bmayo-se2yg It was a beautiful trip to a successful presentation and still relevant to today’s time. Thank you.
@Wilsonjohn-ck2mx
@Wilsonjohn-ck2mx 10 ай бұрын
He seems so confortable trading any account size that it also makes me more confortable to trade with him. Awesome profit.
@hendrykurniawan2565
@hendrykurniawan2565 2 жыл бұрын
Successful investing is the combination of luck and skill -Charlie Munger
@TheNobleBard
@TheNobleBard Жыл бұрын
If you use Mr. Buffets pricing comparison, you realize that the reason Coke products are currently losing market share is because their current cost per 6oz is no longer twice, but 5x what it was in the 1930s. They currently charge about 25 cents for a 6oz portion and since their competitors can charge half that without the cost of branding, it's a much better proposition.
@ValueInvestorsArchive
@ValueInvestorsArchive 3 жыл бұрын
Great wisdom by Oracle of Omaha
@WingofTech
@WingofTech Жыл бұрын
How did you find all of these archives? Thank you!
@user-pb9ey2rh1f
@user-pb9ey2rh1f 3 жыл бұрын
thank you for this channel
@saikrishnarallabandi1131
@saikrishnarallabandi1131 3 жыл бұрын
+1 you've done a wonderful job
@jaiminshah6416
@jaiminshah6416 3 жыл бұрын
Undoubtedly , These Two geniuses are exemplar of minting monies in an exciting way by eating candies / chocobars and swilling coke(s) , certainly, proving the point that accumulating avalanches of wealth with ease and priortizing peace of mind isnt a joke , nonetheless, striving exhaustively hard to achieve abundant wealth probably is !!! Long live Mr Buffet and Munger🤞🌹🙏👌🏾🙏🥤🍡👑💎🥇, Fingers Crossed , Amen
@chenlim2165
@chenlim2165 5 ай бұрын
Watching these sessions is worth more than any education.
@meetjeremy7725
@meetjeremy7725 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for uploading these clips!! What share holder meeting are these from?? Never mind 2001
@jackzedner3028
@jackzedner3028 2 жыл бұрын
Two amazing men
@prometheon123
@prometheon123 3 жыл бұрын
Not to quibble with one of the greatest investors of all time, but it’s “Fortune favors the prepared mind.”, which came from Louis Pasteur
@Sheil-hard
@Sheil-hard Жыл бұрын
- [ ] To my understanding this just proves how much we need an edge as investors because playing the market like everyone else just isn’t good enough. I've been quite unsure about investing in this current market and at the same time I feel it's the best time to get started on the market, what are your thoughts?
@Oly_laura
@Oly_laura Жыл бұрын
Since the crash, I've been in the red. I’m playing the long term game, so I'm not too worried but Jim Cramer mentioned there are still a lot of great opportunities, though stocks has been down a lot. I also heard news of a guy that made $250k from about $110k since the crash and I would really look to know how to go about this.
@lipglosskitten2610
@lipglosskitten2610 Жыл бұрын
There are actually a lot of ways to make high yields in a crisis, but such trades are best done under the supervision of Financial advisor.
@kenanporubsky2122
@kenanporubsky2122 Жыл бұрын
Thats true, I've been getting assisted by a FA for almost a year now, I started out with less than $200K and I'm just $19,000 short of half a million in profit.
@Oly_laura
@Oly_laura Жыл бұрын
@@kenanporubsky2122 Impressive can you share more info?
@kenanporubsky2122
@kenanporubsky2122 Жыл бұрын
@@Oly_laura My advisor is ‘’Catherine Morrison Evans’’ she’s highly qualified and experienced in the financial market. She has extensive knowledge of portfolio diversity and is considered an expert in the field. I recommend researching her credentials further. She has many years of experience and is a valuable resource for anyone looking to navigate the financial market
@aholguin618
@aholguin618 Жыл бұрын
Charlie: (goes into profound explanation of cost of capital) Warren: (houses an ice cream sandwich with no remorse)
@emmanuelugwueze8101
@emmanuelugwueze8101 3 жыл бұрын
They love each other up to d moon`;love is a force
@mattfavaloro350
@mattfavaloro350 2 жыл бұрын
Opportunity comes to the prepared mind seeing endless opportunities but being able to recognize the big one is like batting in baseball how do you know within .02 s of that ball leaving the pitchers hand what pitch it is where it's going do you want to swing where are you going to swing how hard in such a small time by seeing so many pictures something in your brain clicks and says this is the pitch and you hit a homerun you can explain what you seen in that pitch your thought process leading up to the bat connecting with the ball it's automatic you just know it when you see it and you take action because of the millions of pictures you've probably seen that is what makes these gentlemen so exemplary at finding the big opportunities and Big Ideas
@fi1158
@fi1158 5 ай бұрын
Great men
@ruslanpavlovich.4886
@ruslanpavlovich.4886 3 жыл бұрын
Charlie always looks left and right like his was Warrens body guard back in the days and it is just his habit now.
@piotrkonieczynski
@piotrkonieczynski 2 жыл бұрын
He is looking for oportunities.
@Healthy_Stuff279
@Healthy_Stuff279 Жыл бұрын
I agree. Ice cream and coca-cola? Sign me up. 😆😆😆😆. I also wanted to say it's always a pleasure to hear these two talk. Cost of capital is something I have to read up on. 👍👍👍👍
@moneyindabank
@moneyindabank Жыл бұрын
Didn't they say that quote in the movie Under Siege 2: Dark Territory?
@sergioviana84
@sergioviana84 3 жыл бұрын
Thats exactly what i thought about CAPM beta and risk. Made no sense. I usually do my discount based on the market CAGR which is my 2nd best deal after stock picking then i will raise it depending of the quality and risk of the business
@vikramjain79
@vikramjain79 3 жыл бұрын
Write that down! 😀
@Woestheboss
@Woestheboss 2 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering how it now stands with the cola numbers 20 years later. With all the health trends nowadays, it looks to me it's not an all time trending high product anymore.
@yashagar4443
@yashagar4443 8 ай бұрын
Incredible
@VinayKumar-db4qz
@VinayKumar-db4qz 2 жыл бұрын
They both are so entertaining.
@ipanzerschrecku4732
@ipanzerschrecku4732 Жыл бұрын
A prepared mind would look at that ice cream and say: looks difficult to eat easily and gracefully.
@gavinhouliston
@gavinhouliston 3 жыл бұрын
I wish people could actually ask questions
@uh6537
@uh6537 3 жыл бұрын
Statler and Waldorf eating icecream
@poemsandsunsets9920
@poemsandsunsets9920 3 жыл бұрын
1:43
@gregmajeski2874
@gregmajeski2874 3 ай бұрын
only warren and Charlie can get away with munching on ice cream bars on stage 😎
@rightfuljohnny
@rightfuljohnny 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure I have seen these two on the Muppet show
@chiawildy563
@chiawildy563 3 жыл бұрын
"I don't think you can teach someone in 2 minutes about how to have a prepared mind." Charlie Munger (11:34)
@SusieAspen
@SusieAspen 3 жыл бұрын
looks like a Dairy Queen Dilly bar...
@jking7817
@jking7817 3 жыл бұрын
Warren is really enjoying that ice cream.
@ayanahmedhussain4022
@ayanahmedhussain4022 3 жыл бұрын
And the coke🙄
@fp4446
@fp4446 3 жыл бұрын
Ballers
@wDawks
@wDawks 3 жыл бұрын
Am I high!? I know I'm drunk but are they eating icecream sandwiches? dafuq?
@NotRogan
@NotRogan 3 жыл бұрын
Tf would you be doing if you had a hundred billion? Catch up 🤣
@rizkiyoist
@rizkiyoist 3 жыл бұрын
I find it funnier that a drunk person would just watch Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger
3 жыл бұрын
As Warren says, he eats like a 6 year old.
@uploder247
@uploder247 2 жыл бұрын
Its a bit weird that they are eating during conference.
@onewxrldmusic7303
@onewxrldmusic7303 3 жыл бұрын
What brand of ice cream are they eating. I want to eat the same thing they are eating.
@paulaaquino5847
@paulaaquino5847 3 жыл бұрын
Dairy queen, cause they own it
@victormorrison441
@victormorrison441 Жыл бұрын
@@paulaaquino5847 Its their cash cow!
@MrGiggity890
@MrGiggity890 Жыл бұрын
Coffee consumption has gone up. Buffett should’ve bought SBUX years ago.
@RS-cb7nm
@RS-cb7nm 3 жыл бұрын
I hear these guys eat at Mc Donalds.
@muscleman96
@muscleman96 3 жыл бұрын
when ever Charlie speaks everyone laughs
@gordongordon98
@gordongordon98 3 жыл бұрын
That canned processed soup is horrible for you. For example it is full of sodium.
@maddysydney
@maddysydney 3 жыл бұрын
Whats great for investors may be bad for consumers- coke, cigarettes, alcohol, coffee, too much of anything
@DenzelLN936
@DenzelLN936 3 жыл бұрын
Sodium is my favourite food
@TDubya811
@TDubya811 3 жыл бұрын
@@DenzelLN936 just make sure you mix it with chlorine before you eat too much of it
@guacamolehole9634
@guacamolehole9634 3 жыл бұрын
Opportunity knocks everyday your just not listening
@wolfthequarrelsome504
@wolfthequarrelsome504 Жыл бұрын
The Spanish gave that name to Confucius. If you understand Spanish you'll know the word "confusion". It has the same meaning in English.😂
@venkkandadai6042
@venkkandadai6042 Жыл бұрын
I like how the two tycoons of business are drinking their cokes and eating their dilly bars
@raqueldominguez7834
@raqueldominguez7834 3 жыл бұрын
Ohh quisiera ser el helado 💌
@lebarre1000
@lebarre1000 2 жыл бұрын
these 2 codgers are humanity's very valuable natural assets. mining their brains for wisdom
@davidg.2217
@davidg.2217 Жыл бұрын
THE TWO SMARTEST GUYS IN THE WORLD....👍
@adoyle3
@adoyle3 Жыл бұрын
They are critical of cost of equity which is part of capital. They like opportunity cost which is probably the 10 or 30 year t bond rate.
@CrypticNight
@CrypticNight 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully its coke a cola and not crack lol
@vinolpinto6060
@vinolpinto6060 9 ай бұрын
As a former addict of coke. LOL. Not the best way to start😂
@alib4184
@alib4184 3 жыл бұрын
I tried explaining the coke addict thing to my boss now I’m unemployed
@vinayim
@vinayim 2 жыл бұрын
Why so? Why were you explaining to him?
@tumpizm9059
@tumpizm9059 2 жыл бұрын
👁️❤️👌🏽
@chiquita683
@chiquita683 3 жыл бұрын
Try putting real sugar in coke again then talk about how there has been no price increase. They cheapened the product to garbage
@candyfloss184
@candyfloss184 3 жыл бұрын
You cannot do capitalism on borrowed money.
@jayfirstly9552
@jayfirstly9552 3 жыл бұрын
Well the USA has been doing capitalism on borrowed money for over 244 years...working extremely well so far
@candyfloss184
@candyfloss184 3 жыл бұрын
@@jayfirstly9552 I missed to add : “for long” at the end.
@ronniedelahoussayechauvin6717
@ronniedelahoussayechauvin6717 Жыл бұрын
Security Crimes
@jeffreyrichardson
@jeffreyrichardson 2 жыл бұрын
emperors ice cream jodi welch brechts double team laurie creelman seen
@OhihnEDM
@OhihnEDM 3 жыл бұрын
did my man just say clout at 17:57.
@karateflix
@karateflix 3 жыл бұрын
You must be yound and think "clout" is some new word or old word with new meaning, lol. Nope, same word same meaning my Grandmother used it for.
@OhihnEDM
@OhihnEDM 3 жыл бұрын
@@karateflix youre right. Im just surprised :)
@stephenbeary7887
@stephenbeary7887 3 жыл бұрын
babe, baby, beef (problem),rat, chick, goon, a fin(5$bill), dope fiend, Sawbuck: $10 bill, (a double sawbuck is a $20 bill) aka a dub. those are just a few slang terms from the 1920s people still say today 100 years later.
@OhihnEDM
@OhihnEDM 3 жыл бұрын
@@stephenbeary7887 haha thats neat
@sampotter2339
@sampotter2339 3 жыл бұрын
who asks 3 questions ffs
@dewainkoester1026
@dewainkoester1026 3 жыл бұрын
Someone who wants to learn 3 times as much as the person who asked 1.
@realbobbyaxel
@realbobbyaxel 3 жыл бұрын
You are running way too many ads and do remember you are using buffett and mungers content. So better be reasonable in the amount of ads you show
@realbobbyaxel
@realbobbyaxel 3 жыл бұрын
@K. DV the point is he is using that for profit and running 10 ads in a 5 minute video
@realbobbyaxel
@realbobbyaxel 3 жыл бұрын
@K. DV you run so many Ads and that's a fact. Face it
@nr9926
@nr9926 3 жыл бұрын
Use ad blocker
@gordongordon98
@gordongordon98 3 жыл бұрын
@@realbobbyaxel you should ask for your money back 🤣
@juqnvasil6104
@juqnvasil6104 3 жыл бұрын
It worked no ads
@robin100012001
@robin100012001 3 жыл бұрын
Popsicles lol
@abduljabar8445
@abduljabar8445 3 жыл бұрын
They didn't show their houses, cars or their bitches like many fake "financial guru" todays. They just sharing knowledge and aloooootttt of product placement of their portofolio🤣
@khmer31
@khmer31 Жыл бұрын
Yup invest in the best killer of humanity- Coca Cola.
@extremecouponing91
@extremecouponing91 11 ай бұрын
🍌🥱
@johnfasuton1411
@johnfasuton1411 Жыл бұрын
Ha ha ha
@Telluwide
@Telluwide 3 жыл бұрын
These shareholder questions are wayyyy too long....I fast forward the questions to the answers...
@alessandragomes7499
@alessandragomes7499 3 жыл бұрын
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@emmanuelugwueze8101
@emmanuelugwueze8101 3 жыл бұрын
See with sight u see tins√see with insight u see answers
@terrywix6844
@terrywix6844 3 жыл бұрын
These guys can talk and talk till the cows come home. And I walk away after listening with nothing more than I had before they talked. No more milk...
@lanielbate5894
@lanielbate5894 Жыл бұрын
No the ones who know or is advised are the successful ones and extra crystal myth I don't like coke
@ricardogolia4148
@ricardogolia4148 Жыл бұрын
Draw Ford the good and the Bad get sched the ugli to Your chi wis of the whole is the story but are not the world justo a puede og plasr when uglis care
@ronniedelahoussayechauvin6717
@ronniedelahoussayechauvin6717 Жыл бұрын
Bankruptcy Fraud
@PURPLE_SHADE_SMOOTHIE
@PURPLE_SHADE_SMOOTHIE 3 жыл бұрын
Bitcoin is a very big idea
@PURPLE_SHADE_SMOOTHIE
@PURPLE_SHADE_SMOOTHIE 3 жыл бұрын
These two old chaps failed to prepare their minds for technology of the bitcoin blockchain and subsequent network effect 12 years after bitcoin’s genesis.
@Maxjeix01
@Maxjeix01 2 жыл бұрын
The internet is a great idea but the dot com bubble burst anyways.
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