Cheap HD Sega Genesis with POUND HD - Rerez

[@rerez]

Hey everyone, I just wanted to establish this so people can understand what I meant at the end of the video. This cable is the best CHEAP one stop solution option I've found to get the original Sega Genesis into HD using an HDMI cable. There are far better and way more expensive options out there that give you a better look. I've been told that a company called HD Retrovision produces a great component cable for the Genesis that has a really nice image. I've personally never used it though so I didn't want to compare something I have not tested. There is also the added problem that newer TVs might not accept component input and so it would require a converter to make it HDMI. If all you are looking for is a simple converter to get the Sega Genesis into HD that has a built in HDMI cable that's what this is recommended for. It isn't a replacement for more expensive and higher quality solutions that provide sharper and better images.

[@MaidenHell1977]

The HD Retrovision Component cables are very expensive, especially for Canadians after the exchange rate, about $100 CDN but in my opinion worth every penny. But you have to have an HD display that can display 240P That being said, I use them on a 36" CRT and the difference is shocking vs. the standard composite signal. They also work on the Neo Geo.

[@italoa.b.oliveira3499]

"HYPERKIN 3in1 hdtv cable" or "POUND snes hd link cable"??? *(On N64 with MOD RGB)*

[@derekned]

The scrolling jitter is due to the fact that the converter is treating the 240p as 480i and then deinterlacing it (badly), and also creating a lot of input lag. I bought a different Pound cable for the PS1 and was shocked by how terrible it was. The only good thing I can say about these cheap Pound HDMI converters is that they are plug and play, which is good for people who just want the thing to work and don't care about the quality.

[@rerez]

You're correct. That's exactly what was causing the jitter. However I didn't get any really bad input lag from it when I was playing.

[@JD-xz1mx]

@@rerez Did you measure it, or are you going off of "feel"..... Because people have measured it and you're objectively incorrect.

[@deathmetalmaniac9647]

I found a way around the blurry jitter! Swapping the stock hdmi cable with an xbox one hdmi actually eliminated it completely for me, put this on a channel you can adjust the color on and you have a perfect output!

[@RedRanger2001]

1:37 is what it's called dithering. 1:40 looks like an emulator.

[@skyrunner14]

Question: could this work with the Saturn? It has the same kind of AV connector...

[@andree1991]

Its not the same connector

[@Deflecto3]

The model 1's connector is very different.

[@TheLastLineLive]

@@Deflecto3 yeah but Shane noted that the model 1 had to use an add-on cable to connect. This cable fits the model 2 by default.

[@JeremySteakHouse]

The picture quality seems pretty good bud damn that jittering is rough.

[@rerez]

You'll see it on some games more than others and sometimes you won't see it at all. Just like I mentioned in the video I wish they included some options with the cable to switch between scaling methods to eliminate it.

[@dougdabandit2003]

@@rerez do you honestly think its because of the sharp pixels it jitters? you do know its because of the cable treating the image as 480i, when its actually a 240p signal.

[@JohannesRe]

@@dougdabandit2003 ... and because of uneven pixelscaling without correct interpolation

[@artificialfrontiers4603]

I have this and it makes everything look super crisp and colorful with big sprites.

[@dougdabandit2003]

you clearly don't know what a good image looks like then..... sad...

[@KingUsyk]

Do you just put up with the jittering image?

[@burnzy3210]

if you're from the UK "pound" means money like "dollar" so to me this is like "sega genesis dollar HD" not the best name haha

[@Fulthrotle73]

Ive heard the model one patch cable is the wrong shape and can damage model one console pins?

[@JayLeu]

I like this, but I think I'll stick to the composite output. There's something charming about the blurriness.

[@FlintG]

This is pretty awesome, I did however find a awesome 13 inch crt tv at the dump place and my sega genesis looks even better on it! There is nothing like playing on a crt tv. Heck even my ps2 looks great on it!

[@mikeylovespizza4012]

AlphaMax crt tv is based on old technology and it hurts eyes. Sure it looks good.

[@Innerste]

I do own a Mega SG, but I also still own my old Model 1 and Model 2, and being able to play 32X Games in 720p RGB is still something I'd like to have this for.

[@LazyClay1]

I know this has nothing to do with the video but still CONGRATULATIONS Rerez for reaching over 200k subs!

[@rerez]

Thanks!

[@LazyClay1]

@@rerez Your welcome.

[@TheLastLineLive]

Seems better than I expected. The pound stuff is kind of iffy, better than composite sure but usually with some kind of downside. This on the other hand more or less looks like a rock solid option.

[@storm_filter]

thats really cool. is there a product like this for ps1?

[@therealhardrock]

There's a big problem with the model 1 Genesis: it only outputs mono sound through the DIN socket on the back. It only outputs stereo through the headphone jack on the front which forces model 1 Genesis owners to get a headphone to composite adapter to output stereo sound to their TVs. Since this converter only takes output through the DIN socket on the back, it will only output mono sound through the converter, and that's a deal breaker that they obviously didn't think about.

[@PaperBanjo64]

Yeah people mod their Sega Genesis Model 1 to have rear RCA audio hacks or a headphones jack, I have an S video modded Genesis with the rear headphones jack

[@MoonSpiritChannel]

You know, I always known the Pound HD cables to be okay thru many reviews. Plus, some of them force the picture 16 x 9 and the only way to fix that is to change the TV ratio settings. As for this, the picture looks a little too bright. I'll stick with the RGB cables.

[@Brother_Piner]

Are there ones that don’t force the picture to that quality? I’m looking to buy some, but I know for a fact that my TV can’t correct the aspect ratio.

[@nukedukem614]

It's so bright

[@andrewosborne7544]

Thanks! Love the reviews man!

[@DVDfeverGames]

Congrats on 200K subs!

[@knucklesechidna2124]

A friend who works at a game store told me there's one for Dreamcast too that looks amazing. Same brand.

[@Right_Said_Brett]

My friend works at Nintendo. He told me so.

[@trainerbob12]

I love your videos and hope your subs go up

[@NunofYerbizness]

0:00 I thought you were gonna end that sentence with "in a very famous TV show". I'm not exactly at my best, when I wake up.

[@MadChristoph]

I have the Hyperkin Cable for my PS1, now my quality looks great, like when I watch PS1 games on YT, they're in HD

[@eternalrewind2190]

You really got to mess with the TV picture settings to get it to get it to look good. Otherwise it's to bright.. I set TV to RGB mode on computer color setting with brightest and contrast way down... Some games look amazing while others like Sonic look good but no matter what it's still to bright and the green grass to to vibrant and bright. It looks strange if you're used to the way it's supposed to look... I'd still recommend it tho. For the price it looks way better then original cables...also the one I got the audio stopped working after a few minutes.. I had to get a replacement.. it works now

[@PaperBanjo64]

That sounds about normal for those cables...how's the input lag?

[@eternalrewind2190]

@@PaperBanjo64 I don't feel any input delay

[@Bakartridge2095]

Dropped what I was watching to start watching this video. Love your stuff!

[@RetrOrigin]

That jittering looks weird. It almost looks like it's trying to deinterlace a 480i signal from the console instead of receiving a 240p signal.

[@dougdabandit2003]

thats exactly what its doing. it treats the signal as 480i instead of 240p. all these cheap cables do that. but rerez says its because of how sharp the pixels are...............

[@0zzm0dious]

What is that cool mecha game he was showing?

[@CardboardSliver]

I'll not use the included adaptor, cause Model 1 to 2 32X cables are dirt cheap online. But I bet this would also work on the Master System, as it had RGB output, and used the same connection as the Model 1.

[@Danhanado]

Oh wow you actually fixed the thumbnail!

[@originofcomics4973]

Sanic the hedgehog is my favourite 💗💓❤️💛💙♥️

[@sosman64]

You Love SAnic?well he is not called sanic the hedgehog he is called sanic heghog

[@originofcomics4973]

@@sosman64 ty bro🤗

[@sosman64]

@@originofcomics4973 np bro

[@Ballowax]

2:09 so the sega genesis outputs a 240p signal normally, the HD link is interlacing the signal because it think's its 480i and it's not. This explains why you see that jittering affect when moving. Also the composite video signal from the sega megadrive is T E R R I B L E and has some of the worst looking colors

[@PaperBanjo64]

You have that right...Sega Mega Drive has the worst composite I've ever seen...my Super Famicom and PlayStation look gorgeous over composite but not my Sega console.

[@Ballowax]

@@PaperBanjo64 for whatever reason it looks clean on a generic capture card like the Happuage but when you feed it to something like the frameister or Retrotinx suddenly you see all the rainbow artifacts and some really screwed up colors. Also apparently there are some HDMI deviced that can't lock on to the chroma signal of the composite output

[@djeclipse1977]

I've been waiting for something like this for genesis. Now just waiting for the TG16 one coming soon!

[@dougdabandit2003]

you have been waiting for these? please keep waiting then, they are junk!

[@arthas045]

I think I read somewhere that this cable when hooked up the sound on your SegaCD or 32x is removed. So if you have the complete setup its a pass.... Unless I am incorrect.

[@EAPvideoz]

Does this work with PAL systems, or only NTSC?

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

EAPvideoz It’ll work on PAL, but it’s not a great solution. I expect it might try to convert the signal to 60hz however, causing worse judder. I’d recommend using a CRT instead or an external scaler like an OSSC.

[@eternalrewind2190]

Picture is really bright and Audio stopped working after a few plays.. tried it on 2 different Genesis and no audio... Getting a replacement

[@germanname1990]

Now considering that this thing can work with all three Genesis Base Models, is it possible that this could also work with all Master System models including the Power Base Converter for the Model 1 Genesis, all SEGA CD models including the JVC X'Eye, and the 32X? If so, I will consider buying one.

[@dougdabandit2003]

do NOT buy one, its the shittiest cable ever dude. just trust me on this. i know a boat load about rgb signals

[@mynameisjacob5794]

Back in the nineties I was in a famous tv show

[@macedossaulo8917]

thank god I wasn't the only one to think of that!

[@anonymousidea9119]

Bojack : Genesis

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

The picture quality is pretty good, but you can get better results for only around $200. You need an OSSC (which you can use for any system) and some RGB SCART Cables. This Pound cable is blowing out the colours, making them too bright. The juddering is also caused by using 4:3 on a modern LCD, which isn’t the fault of the Pound. If you just want to replay some old Mega Drive games, then this is a pretty great option, as it has incredible value for money, far sharper than composite, but not as good as an Analogue Mega SG or an RGB gaming setup.

[@ReikazeRambles]

Hell, even an HD retrovision cable would be a lot better.

[@Mega_Mikey]

$30 vs $200 🤔 easy choice if you just wanna get your old games on your new tv

[@RippahRooJizah]

@@Mega_Mikey Yeah. As Shane said, this cable is a good middle ground. It's not the best but for what it does and for its price, it's still a good idea.

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

Mikey I agree. For a retro nerd like me, I’d rather spend money on getting the best signal, but if you just want to play Sonic then this is an incredible option considering how well it works.

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

Rockmandash12 Not really. The colours would be better, but most TVs can’t even accept 240p, and the ones that do almost always mishandle it as 480i or and every television scales it badly.

[@ritaandrunt5767]

Very intriguing definitely intriguing

[@TheEpicFace007]

Why the video is unlisted?

[@hanial-razzaz1880]

Idk maybe he uploaded it a day to early or something

[@TheEpicFace007]

@@hanial-razzaz1880 yeah but look at rerez his comment is uploaded 12 hr ago while min is sent 5hr ago O.o

[@Deflecto3]

1:28 what game is that?

[@masterlee1988]

Ranger X

[@PeteFiftyeight]

Sega for life

[@supershmueli]

Rerez puts up a video = I click and watch

[@otaking3582]

Finally, an HD solution that isn't extremely overpriced!

[@dougdabandit2003]

yea, cause its junk!

[@otaking3582]

@@dougdabandit2003 What are you talking about? This looks fine to me

[@dougdabandit2003]

@@otaking3582 are you blind???? the sega genesis outputs 240p, this stupid cable thinks its 480i and causes it to jitter all over. its not sharp. the colors are wayy off compared to what they are supposed to be. and the connector itself is a neo geo connector. all these companies making these cheap things always use the wrong connector, they look the same but they are slightly differen't shaped and pressing it into your console can ruin it over time. trust me on this, i am an expert on retro video signals and can tell you anything you need to know.

[@otaking3582]

@@dougdabandit2003 Then why is this review so positive?

[@dougdabandit2003]

@@otaking3582 because his general audience doesn't know the in depth facts about rgb signals. They see a cheap hdmi cable and click like. Rerez should be the one fact checking his video for his audience but he doesn't

[@shalpp]

I feel this would only work properly with the model 1 if there was a way to pass through the audio from the 3.5mm jack up front

[@WH250398]

Honestly, if you have a lot of consoles and you're willing to spend money to get the best out of them, get an OSSC or Framemeister. They are expensive, and you still need scart cables, but you are simply not going to get better quality out of real hardware. It's definitely a long term purchase as well, because TV's with analogue connections are getting increasingly more difficult to get. I am still absolutely shocked how good consoles like the PlayStation 1, PlayStation 2, and Sega Megadrive look! In addition to that, you can completely customize how the image is zoomed in, so you can remove the colored border around Sega Megadrive games, or the black border around Gamecube and Ps2 games.

[@Koshechka69420]

Does this cable work on a computer monitor, not a TV?

[@PaperBanjo64]

Yes it does I just played Sonic 2 this evening on my BenQ monitor with this adapter.

[@bluehero4467]

I bought one for my ps2. I didn't really notice a difference. Maybe brighter colors.

[@RippahRooJizah]

As far as I heard, despite being for the PS2, there seems to be better improvements for the PSX games.

[@JD-xz1mx]

@@RippahRooJizah This is because the PSX outputs primarily 240p, which modern televisions don't know how to handle correctly, which is why you need specialized video connections for older consoles in the first place. PS2 outputs primarily 480i, the same as the recorded video standard of the 70's, 80's, and 90's, and most TV's already know how to handle that signal fairly well.

[@Ferzanderlerp]

First. I love your show. It has gotten so much better over the years

[@DEFGI]

Did you ever test this with a Master System? Want a hdmi cable for my one but don’t want to get a bad one

[@sosman64]

Such an Nostalgic Boy...

[@ElricSowrd]

Pounds Version for PS2 wasn't that good and the one for DreamCast. It's weird. 2:47- That's not good.

[@RascalKyng]

So does render framemiester absolute, as far as price point and performance is concerned?

[@PaperBanjo64]

Absolutely not, although I would say the Retrotink 2X does from what I've heard, it's far less expensive, still being manufactured and has far less lag then the Framemeister does.

[@attilathehun0]

Buy a Mcable for the pound cable.

[@Retro_ReplayG]

Is the USB power cable actually doing anything, as I tried it with and without and it doesn't do anything.. Thanks

[@dshaynietheawesome]

Snes is available too

[@qwertyzorovague]

Try reviewing the Portholic Wii hdmi adapter. It's great.

[@RaysGamingChannel2003]

What about the model 1?

[@burnzy3210]

oh... i thought from the title and thumbnail that it was somethink like an amazon fire stick that would play genesis games but it's just a cable :/

[@redsnigami]

I buy 1 and after 20 min of playing the audio goes like crazy them there is no audio i dont know if is because the cable was bad because of the electricity on my 4k tv well can some one explain me what is wrong i try to find the solution in internet and nothing😅

[@bokiller33]

Will it work with Sega CD and Sega 32x?

[@penitentestudios1492]

720p is there a 1080p solution

[@PaperBanjo64]

Retrotink 5X can do 1080p, but it cost $233 or something like like that.

[@DOOMGamingChannel]

Is it stereo for model 2

[@topbananafrosty8739]

Can you use a 32x tho cause the Mega Sg can't

[@Akuzastar]

I would assume this will work on the PC engine core grafx 2 aswell since it uses the same S video out... I'm curious to try that. Edit:- it comes with a little cable converter too so it should work with A PC engine... maybe I'll get 1 and if it doesn't work, worse case scenario my mega drive has HDMI!

[@Dorelaxen]

Personally, I still prefer playing older games on actual CRT televisions with the original connections. That soft quality it part of the charm of retro gaming.

[@user-ny5vp9be8v]

Compare this to the component cables upscaled

[@mauz4930]

It could make the image more deatiled, but it kills the fact that for the composite video where created some ticks that make the genesis looks like it can show more color than it really can, and the "transaprence" fx are even gone, just like play with an emulator with no scnalines... all the original feeling has gone. Those tricks work just on crt screens.

[@InfiniCalendar]

I bought this last year and I soon returned it. The picture was too choppy on a game like Sonic that moves quickly.

[@Kayhotech]

I wasn't a sega kid in the 90s. I wasn't a kid in the 90s. I wasn't alive in the 90s. I was close. 2002. Still was a nintendo kid.

[@EpicB787Animations]

I thought the cable was shit but then I realized KZbin was playing in 360p

[@dougdabandit2003]

no, you were right. its a complete pile of trash cable.

[@yukatoshi]

I don't see the point in being able to see the pixels. The idea was to blend them together on a CRT to create seamless 2d graphics...

[@PotbellyPunch]

And CRT televisions accomplished that - The problem is that with HD televisions they are scaling the image poorly and creating a blurry, smeary image that doesn't match either the raw pixel output or the CRT look. Since the CRT look can't be accomplished on a HD Television without use of extensive shaders that approximate the look (see retroarch shaders) an integer scale output is the best look for most people.

[@utubepunk]

PAC-MAN t-shirt! Where?!

[@LucasNewton]

The colors look a little overblown to me. I'm going to guess that the adapter is outputting full range RGB (0-255) but your display is expecting limited range RGB (16-235).

[@Katattsu]

¿LAG?

[@JeffzBeard]

Will this work with the Sega Genesis mini?

[@bryanjones0185]

I bought one and mine put out a picture like an old worn VHS tape. I tried on 2 different Tv's and got the same result. Also, it wouldn't switch to the 16:9 setting. It just stayed at 4:3. Maybe the Hyperkin hdmi cable is better.

[@zzcolby27]

Is it bad that I like stretched res on classic systems?

[@johneygd]

It will not work on all model 3 genesises because they do not all support RGB out no.

[@dusterdriven]

But what about 32x ???????

[@kaidenbouchard3211]

There is a thing called ocamo HD TV game well i really don’t know the whole name but yeah I saw a picture and it looks like a Xbox 1 S, so guessing it’s a Xbox 1 S ripoff, It’s quite pricey though, $59 and tax is $5.07 I would really like you put it in a ripoff video

[@manuellujan666]

SEGA!

[@theprofesser9797]

WHY! WHY DO YOU NEED A 16BIT CONSOLE TO BE 1080p/4K

[@DONK8008]

So that the game displays correctly on a modern TV. Most modern TVs don't correctly support the 240p resolution old consoles output and handle it as 480i, while this does put out an image it usually looks a bit crap and doesn't handle dithering or flickering (mostly from invincibility frames) correctly. You can also reduce lag using an external scaler too as on some TVs the lag can be upwards of 10 frames.

[@supakusuta]

@@DONK8008 But this cable treats the Mega Drive's signal as 480i/576i instead of 240p.

[@jevansturner]

This cable is garbage, by the way.

[@MrGul]

Care to explain why that is?

[@Deflecto3]

@@MrGul it's been 25 minutes, if they're not at work they're bullshitting.

[@jevansturner]

Mr. Gul it basically does everything wrong that it could possibly do wrong. Most importantly, it processes 240p as 480i.

[@dougdabandit2003]

he is correct, they are complete junk. you name it and it does it wrong. the worst being it treats the signal as 480i when its actually 240p. thats why it jitters all over. junk....

[@pedraomn]

You are a beautiful person

[@markiemoo9265]

I comment I comment

[@imjustherefortheyellowbutt7262]

This is gonna sound stupid but if it's on 4:3 it drives me insane I know it's not how it's supposed to look but if you have super not picky on your own stuff than it can be a pain

[@lolcat]

Wow I'm early

[@tigville]

''e''

[@PlayStation_5247]

Got any more bad video game consoles to add to your worst ever series 😂😂😂

[@jan_h]

I thought the 'Sega or Nintendo' politics died out years ago.

[@PlayStation_5247]

@@jan_h Wrong they still exist apart from the Super Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog fan war

[@franciscoandrada412]

Or you can play on an emulator and render at actual 4k

[@JD-xz1mx]

And get emulation lag...... I swear, there are like three people in this comment section that have any idea what they're talking about.

[@supakusuta]

@@JD-xz1mx what?

[@silentbungaming3147]

It looks far too bright tbh.

[@Primordial_Radiance]

Have you found anything like this for the Sega Dreamcast?

[@MrCed122]

The best quality possible on a Dreamcast is by using VGA, I don't think there's any "plug and play" solutions at the moment.

[@supakusuta]

@@MrCed122 I'm pretty sure there are some games that won't work on a VGA signal.

[@MrCed122]

@@supakusuta Well, yes and no. It's true that not every games are officially compatible, but for most of them, you can bypass the check by disconnecting the cable during the boot, some others have patch you can burn and with a GDEmu, you can force every games in VGA.

[@supakusuta]

@@MrCed122 Is there any reason why developers locked out VGA from their games?

[@MrCed122]

@@supakusuta If I had to guess, probably because 480p required more ressources, so potentially more slowdowns. It's also distracting with games that heavily uses 480i cutscenes since VGA can't natively show them, so they need to be converted. I also think that most PAL games removed it because it was annoying to deal with the 50Hz and 576i/p they were using, which was never standard on PC monitor).