Cheap vs High-End Rifles: I'm surprised by how they compare.

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00:00 Intro
01:17 Aura (Sponsored)
02:32 Scoping
03:07 Burris Veracity PH
04:14 Decking it Out
04:25 The Weigh In
05:46 Red Cliffs Shooting Range
06:14 Shooting 5-shot groups
07:27 Recoil
07:48 Results of the 5-shot groups
08:53 Trigger Quality
10:46 Feeding and Magazines
12:58 Practical Shooting Scenarios
13:54 Shooting on a Tripod
15:37 The Burris Scope System
16:37 Long Range Shooting
18:15 Review of the Scope
19:03 The Verdict - Basic and Pro Hunting Rifles
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[@chadbreckenridge2877]

Hopefully Ruger is sponsoring you :) This channel has single handedly convinced me to buy an American.

[@backfire]

Haha. Nope. I don't even know anyone at Ruger.

[@Wickedtrucker75]

I have a Ruger, American predator magpul hunter 6.5 creedmoor Timmey trigger, Burris Fullfield 4 6.5 creedmoor reticule.. I love the gun.. consistently getting 1/2 MOA

[@ngallakp62]

Dont do it buy a tikka lol

[@Wickedtrucker75]

@@ngallakp62 lol

[@TherealBartcephus]

@@Wickedtrucker75 I have the same rifle and with 140gr Norma whitetail I can cover a 3 shot group at 200 yards with a nickel, absolutely great rifle!

[@davidhagerman7165]

I know all this new equipment is great. My deer rifle is a 3006 1903 sniper rifle updated with a Monte Carlo stock installed in the 1960's. It has a Muller 4 power scope with no external windage or elevation dials,no internal MOA points just duplex cross hairs. My last hunt in Colorado with my dad in late 1970's, I took a mule deer running at 450 yard running from left to right it went down and slid next to a pine tree. So I think practice using hold over and windage is a must, this is where starting with iron sights is invaluable.

[@pipslife7874]

$4700.00 vs $630.00 and they performed almost exactly the same. 4700.00+ does get a "cool factor" rifle. Shooting side by side with that "cool rifle" and, at the least, keeping up with it, is WAY more cool!! Me having $4000.00+ in my pocket spend on other gear or hunts is WAY cooler than having the neatest rifle in camp. Great video. You don't have to break the bank and go into debt to have a fine shooting rifle and enjoy the outdoors.

[@averagemobileplayergfs7383]

True

[@1badombre82]

Yeah I've had that debate with people. Obviously I'm biased in that I can't afford a $5000 factory setup so I built my precision rifle for $900. They are biased in that they don't think of themself as capable of building there own rifle so they argue that a $5000 factory setup is best. I'm sure their setup is much smoother than mine but the effectiveness is pretty much equal and I have the pride and fun of building my own from what I can afford.

[@dholiday9315]

It’s like having a nice new truck. Not necessary but if you’ve driven beaters your whole life, maybe you just can so you do. Also you can get similar performance, but with the premium rifle nearly anyone off the street could make every shot he made easily. Him having shooting skill is what made the cheap setup perform well. The money is for the guaranteed ease of it, and with skill you can be deadly and it is a hunting setup after all.

[@1badombre82]

@@dholiday9315 true. I am a beater truck kinda guy

[@JamesJones-cx5pk]

Buy a Savage. The barrel nut and floating bolt head is a lot of the reason they are accurate out of the box.

[@tjfishing2714]

Rifles are alot more expensive here in Australia and all I could afford was a Ruger American in 243. I bought it after your review on guns under 350. I have never had problems feeding luckily with mine. I fixed the stock flexibility with fibreglass resign . I shoot it at my local range out to 900yrd at I am competitive against Rifles 10x the price. Great video. I look forward to each new video of yours like a kid waiting for Christmas!

[@wowguy3562]

I love shooting my 22lr's. I learn so much shooting reading wind, dailing or holding. I always use wind flags. A nice Cz is quite affordable and fairly cheap to shoot, I think I shot 9k rounds last year. I also shot a personal best 600 yards last year going 7/20 on an 12x18" target. Shorter distances like 300 yards is very easy if I read the wind correctly

[@tonycanniffe2360]

Also Aussie- I bought the .308 standard model. Nice shooting with your .243!

[@Airon79]

I was thinking about using foam or epoxy to fill stocks , but if fiberglass resin is good , then maybe I'll use that... where do you typically find resin ? Thanks , and Thanks in advance !

[@samirSch]

Oh, come on. You aussies are filthy rich and the rifles aren't even double the US price. Here in Brazil, if I still insist I want a decent hunting rifle, I'd have to US import a Tikka T3x for ~6000 USD, the same salary an average person make PER YEAR. The only way to reduce its price is by expending a total 3000 USD in imports that will get 60% import taxes + 25% "circulation taxes" (yes, we get taxed for moving products around) so it'll cost me ~10000 USD to pay ~2700 USD for a 800 USD gun. And I'm expecting it to get worse now with a narco-socialist in power.

[@tonycanniffe2360]

@@samirSch That a horrible mate. I’ll think of this when I am about to complain. Hope it doesn’t get worse but it probably will.

[@Go__Birds]

I used to buy and hunt with sub $1000 rifles. All of them had sub moa loads developed and shot great. Mostly Savage, but I did have a Ruger American and a Tikka CTR. All of those rifles had optics that were more than the rifles themselves. You can't shoot what you can't see. This year I will be hunting with a high-end custom. I don't expect really to see much difference besides my pocket hurting

[@gsh341]

I bought a Savage Hog Hunter 308 back in 2016 because it had a slightly heavier, but also slightly shorter barrel with a threaded muzzle. It's more accurate than I am so I see little reason to buy any thing better for deer hunting. I've shot it out to 300 yards and can ring a 4" plate so easily it's actually boring. Deer season this last year was closed out with a single shot in the field and a dozen shots checking zero at the range.

[@louisfolgore2879]

I was thinking about getting a budget 300 win mag. Between the Ruger, savage, and tikka which do you think is most accurate?

[@gsh341]

@@louisfolgore2879 All of those are accurate. Instead or worrying about which one might be marginally more accurate, go with the rifle that has the features you like most in the price range you're most comfortable with.

[@tnreloader8236]

@@louisfolgore2879 I bought a Howa 1500 in 300 win mag. It will shoot sub moa with cheap winchester power point ammo. Take that for what you will, I'm just throwing another option out there for you.

[@humpy936]

@@tnreloader8236 Howa makes a great rifle for the price.

[@rphash49]

Not a hunting rifle beyond 250-300yds but I love my Ruger ranch 7.62x39. turns accuracy perceptions of x39 upsidedown. Maybe it's the "new gun" fun hasn't worn off yet but I absolutely love it at the range

[@virtuaguyverify]

I have one too, amazed by the accuracy

[@albertaguidetwahl469]

I’m sure the accuracy perceptions of the 7.62x39 stem from the SKS and surplus ammo. Quality factory ammunition and better rifle manufacturing standards show its a very effective short-medium range rifle cartridge combination. On par or better (probably) than the venerable 30-30

[@teasquared09]

@@albertaguidetwahl469my Russian sks shoots like a dream lol

[@toddboone333]

The Ruger American is a thumb to the eye of guys who think they can purchase good shooting. They put all of their eggs into the barrel basket and it worked. Baseline stocks, okay actions, nothing special. But their cold hammer forged barrels are beyond great. Can’t believe they did it at that price point. But I’m glad they did.

[@backfire]

It's very impressive what they're making.

[@shanejarratt9800]

I spend more on the optic on top of my ruger american and I can promise you the 563 yard shot would have been a cake walk. I put the money I saved in getting a budget rifle into the optic and never looked back. The thing has put down every animal it's been aimed at as well. Rifles are very comparable to golf equipment. The person makes the equipment not the other way around. Edit: your videos convinced me to buy a ruger so keep up the good work

[@robertagusti3712]

that s what i was goint to say, i have rifles i pay 150.00 30 years ago is the same thing no a $3000.00 dol rifle is no need for a working man if you got money KUDU TO YOU.

[@robertsahli9998]

You needed to shoot offhand with the fierce rifle! Not use the tripod. Get better scope than cheap ones

[@serafinortega3153]

I’m glad you’ve had success with your cheap rifle but sadly I’ve lost a couple of animals because of a ruger American in 7mm mag one instance was I had an 8 point deer in my scope at about 100 yards if not less and pulled the trigger and I just heard a click,my round was in the chamber but the firing pin didn’t hit the round hard enough it barely touched it that happened to me 3 times once at a deer and twice while at the shooting range I did Harvest 2 deers with that rifle but ever since I switched to a Christensen arms MPR I’ve never had a round not go off while hunting or while shooting and also I enjoy shooting at longer distances 1000 yards is the most I’m comfortable shooting at but with a ruger my rounds aren’t as constant compared to my MPR the ruger will hit 1 out of every 5 they’ll be near but only one makes contact and usually the first round and my MPR I will miss 2 sometimes 1

[@serafinortega3153]

Also the other animals I lost was a bear and another deer but that was with a ruger American in 308 with the same problem I though it was just a problem with the 7mm mag but it happened with that rifle as well

[@nickolashogan4992]

@@serafinortega3153cry some more

[@bp8023]

Accuracy above all for non-dangerous game. Ruger is a great option. Buy base and upgrade the stock/trigger later.

[@usafret4709]

I have a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 CR that I fitted in a Magpul Hunter stock. I have a Vortex Diamondback Tactical on it. It is an absolute tack driver. Got the rifle for about $300 at the PX on sale with 10% discount for using my card. One thing I will say, the feeding is definitely not like my more expensive rifles. You have to man-handle it.

[@erroneous6947]

I did a comparison like this a decade ago. I still use savage rifles because of my observations. Solid guns. Very accurate.

[@raiderrich2513]

Very entertaining video. I do the budget route myself on rifles but then invest in scopes, rangefinders, bipods, tripods, etc. Keep the great content coming!

[@evanwindom]

I think a lot of guides would agree with you. Buy a rifle that shoots well, and spend the money on a higher quality optic.

[@ryanharris6045]

This was a lot of fun to watch. It is good for me to be reminded that not everyone crawls on their hands and knees through the jack firs for a 50 meter shot on blacktail buck. A $3500 dollar rifle wouldn't help me out much. If I had the option of spending more money, I would opt for better feeding. Just knowing that I can pick up that 2nd round is priceless.

[@MachNone]

Dude starts talking about high end and then whips out a Burris 😂

[@KathrynLiz1]

Interesting video...... The Ruger American is astonishing for the price.... it'd be nice to fit a nice wood stock to one.... If I could afford to buy one I'd probably make a new stock for it ..... But to compare it with over $4000 worth is harsh..... For hunting purposes, the difference in price is hardly worth it.... on the range for precision shooting, yes no contest, but that's not what the Ruger is for. But that pricey rifle is wonderful for either task, brilliant. OK...a bit of advice from an old timer (I'm 80 now) for offhand shots. No one can hold a rifle steady, it's impossible so don't try. What humans are VERY good at is moving something smoothly in one direction. So, once you know your trigger, start low (compulsory with irons) or high if you prefer with a scope, and with the trigger loaded just short of release, smoothly raise (or lower) the aim point, breaking the trigger as the sight drifts up on to the target. Even with my 80 year old eyes I can usually hit a 12" square at 150 yards offhand with a flintlock rifle with its slow ignition, open sights and rainbow trajectory. That slow ignition makes the above technique almost essential. Most of where I used to hunt (NZ) is country of the sort that usually means an offhand shot and back in the day when we used old surplus Lee Enfields and P14s with service issue sights and ammo, we always got our deer. More modern rifles with their better ergonomics and sighting equipment make things easier, sure, but I have found that many today cannot do 'position' shooting other than prone. There is a tendency to get overly 'scientific' about it and getting off a fast shot while standing seems to be a dying art. I usually get the young 'uns to practice offhand shooting with a .22RF where 100 rounds cost sweet damn all, or even an air rifle, and you have no 'recoil fatigue'.... although cocking a springer air rifle 100 times is a bit of a workout... 😀 Personally I think anyone that can't hit a paper plate 5 out of 5 offhand at 100 yards has no business shooting at anything living.... but that's just me.... a bit old fashioned I guess. Thanks for the video.... I like to see the latest developments in rifles and they sure have come a long way since I bought my first one in 1960 at the age of 17.... It was a sporterised P14 with a not-the-best-in-the-world bore so it would only hold about 4 MoA even after a re-crown. I had it re-barrelled and it went down to about 1.5 MoA with military ammo... pretty good as long as the loose nut on the butt did her job right.

[@sethrockwood]

This guy would be fun to shoot with. Reminds me of shooting with my grandfather when i was a kid. I watched him hit a squirl jumping from 1 tree to another at about 70 yards with a 22lr and iorn sights. Id have a hard time making that shot from a bench. So id have to agree that the art of the offhand shot is fading. Or perhaps im just not as good as Grampa :)

[@samirSch]

Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Firearms law is changing yet again here in Brazil under the new narco-socialist government, so idk what kind of guns we'll be allowed to have but I do really hope to get a hunting rifle and those tips were very insightful. I wish there were more people like you in my country, you're trully inspiring.

[@pattersonlax48]

I love these kinds of video's. Nothing better than to see where your money really goes when it comes to different price ranges. I also love that you can buy a Ruger American, and just upgrade it to an expensive rifle. The action may not be as smooth, but I would love to see a Pro Shooter take a "Pimped out" Ruger American Receiver against multiple Professional shooters.

[@archer721]

I have a savage 110 shot action heavy barrel in .308 with an older Horus Hawk. I have consistently out shot guys that have 3-5 thousand dollar rifles. On a perfect day… light, wind, humidity… I shot the best group I have ever achieved with any rifle I own - shooting a 3 round group of 1.1 inches @ 400y! - it’s never happened again 🤷‍♂️… best average groups are around just sub 3in… pretty nice shooter for an extremely reasonable price. Edit: “sub 3” @ 400yrds”

[@solidrockofjesuschristmini2423]

They've done it with savage rifles against high end rifles, you can do it with both ruger and savage, look up Boyd stocks for savage, or even some stocks for rugers, you can't go wrong with either of them

[@seikibrian8641]

"I love these kinds of video's." * Videos. With exceptions so rare that they can be all but ignored, an apostrophe-s never makes a word plural, it makes a singular possessive. Example: There are many videos about rifles on KZbin, but this video's subject coverage is outstanding.

[@southerncountryboy8]

Rokslide has a forum post discussing what a nightmare Fierce customer service is. The guy purchased one that had no rifling in the barrel. Really interesting discussion on there that convinces me to steer clear of anything they offer.

[@juliogonzo2718]

Maybe rifled barrel is an option for another $1000 😂

[@erniecummings9255]

Wow

[@9773747]

I love your honest videos but I also love that you get the next and upcoming items out there that I am looking at. I share your site with some many because of what they can all learn. Thank you for your page.

[@JimHarmer]

Thank you for the kind comment. It means a lot. Truly.

[@OutsidetheEchochamber]

Should add midrange into this like tikka, Browning, Bergara ect

[@pizzahunter808]

Videos where Tikkas are always winning get old quick

[@Jake_Hamlin]

I’d like to see a Howa vs Tikka…

[@dennisholle1005]

Great video!! Realistic comparisons. The most important advice came at the end. basically saying don't spend your time on analysis paralysis but rather get what you can afford and spend the real money on the experiences. Be it more time at the range more time in the field what ever is important to you.

[@zacharyharwell351]

Im generally in the middle-tiers like Bergara HMRs and similar stuff, but I lean more toward target shooting. My next bolt gun is gonna be a Bergara Divide in 300 win mag (with a conversion to 7mm PRC in its future at some point)

[@JeremyCulbreath]

I've tried a lot of guns in the low- to midrange budgets. Best value I've found is a Ruger American Go Wild. Spend a couple hours between polishing important internal surfaces and using a bit of aluminum epoxy to stiffen the stock. While you have the stock off and epoxy mixed up, embed QD mounts (and an arca rail, if you want). Stock muzzle brake is actually effective, but having a threaded barrel also means you can throw on a can. Factory cerakote is another big plus. Oh, and AICS mags are offered on a few. Add a decent scope and rangefinder, and I'd be comfortable with anything under 500yd with my .308 (but I'm eyeing the 7mm PRC as soon as it becomes available). Spend the extra on ammo, reloading supplies, and time in the woods/range.

[@carlduncan8462]

I also have a go wild as well and love it. 7mm/o8 a BDC scope and a Timney trigger have shot groups just under 2"" at 500. With the muzzle brake my wife shoots it as well.

[@devilslawyer1646]

My Ruger American Ranch in .223 with a Vortex Diamondback Tactical 4-16x44 scope, is sub MOA from a bench with Sako soft points. Amazing rifle for the money. AR-14 mags feed flawlessly, and I did a "custom" cheek rest with foam and hockey tape, and it is really comfortable. Also the stock does not touch the free floated barrel when I use a bipod. I love all my Rugers, which I can't say for Mossberg.

[@wowguy3562]

This is a really neat video, I love the comparison. I prefer a good first focal plane scope with a Christmas tree style reticle helps me a lot, and a good rangefinder, bipod / bag, and shooting enough at different yardages to understand how to get on target quickly. I would prefer spending a few hundred dollars on ammunition and knowing how it preforms vs spending thousands on equipment, that usually comes later as we become better and better shooters

[@barackmycat9448]

This is what I call a review! This is the most realistic channel I have found.

[@backfire]

I REALLY REALLY appreciate you saying that. Any kind of video like this brings out TONS of comments accusing me of bias toward one side or the other, so I appreciate the support a lot. I work really hard to make the best videos for you that I know how.

[@robertagusti3712]

@@backfire yes you r very talented but change the scope on that ruger u wll find out.

[@stronkde]

OK but how realistic can it be if they've cloned the host? How can I trust the data if I don't know who's the real Jim?

[@bryanradik7404]

Except he compared recoil when one rifle was suppressed. Not very fair, especially since the budget rifle is threaded.

[@chrisloncar6442]

@@bryanradik7404 Also having a tripod for the expensive rifle vs shooting sticks and guessing distance with the low budget rifle. Instead of having a cheap range finder to get a better accuracy on distance. It seems he was heavily favoring the expensive set up from the beginning. Not really a fair side by side at all.

[@sydecarnutz972]

I got my Ruger "Amuuriken" last year. Set me back $469 on sale at Bass pro. Inflation I suppose. ;-) But still, great accuracy, great trigger and smooth action. I liked it well enough to get it on a Magpul stock set to improve the ergonomics. Mostly, I needed a better cheek weld. My bro in law, who never shot anything but a .22 in his life. Laid down and took a shot at 100 yards and hit within a 1" orange square on his first try. Mine is in .308 BTW. Then it started snowing and ruined the fun. Great review here. Appreciate it!

[@Nic-ho1rq]

Great video Jim! I have a Ruger American in good ol 30-06 and same black hound optic and I get 0.25 MOA groups out of it with 168gr Barnes TSX! Hard to beat that with less than $500 invested into the rifle system.

[@urgamecshk]

That's great. I get 0.6" from my 308

[@ranchodeluxe1]

Ya, ya do. And I just fell off the turnip truck.

[@InsideStevesHead]

I absolutely love my Ruger American .308 especially since I put it in the magpul hunter stock. Thing it’s a bell ringer so it’s nice to see it used as the budget benchmark because it’s an EXCELLENT rifle for the money

[@sissydreams7494]

I agree. The Fierce is almost 10 times the cost of the Ruger. And, sure, it's a beautiful weapon, but I'll take the Ruger. Add a good scope, a bipod or shooting sticks, and a sling. Problem solved.

[@shawnconner-hu9sj]

I am looking forward to more tests on the scope. It looks interesting and awesome!

[@jake9705]

I always love these "budget versus baller" competitions 😂

[@KilleenHunting]

Had my American Predator in 308 for several years now and it’s been great. Took my last deer at 600 yards with it. I did take a drill and smooth out the inside of the action and polish the bolt though, factory finish sounds like a god damn zipper. Never had a single feeding issue though with my rotary mag.

[@Andrew-jm4tp]

I like the cheap vs pro topic. Keep it going.

[@2clicksup910]

Love these reviews. These have been done time and time again (by you, by me, buy heaps of people), and the results are invariably similar. The cheaper rifles definitely have their place, and they are perfectly functional and fit for purpose. I can understand someone purchasing a high end rifle for those big once-in-a-lifetime trips, and each to their own. I use almost exclusively HOWA 1500 rifles, and I have never had an issue, and they can be somewhat forgiving in terms of what ammo you feed them. A bit of load testing/development will give most rifles something they can shoot; throw on a decent optic, then it’s up to the “nut behind the butt”, which is the biggest variable of all. And, lastly, those big dollar setups tend to make a far worse sound when dropped or knocked over, and tend to suffer more damage. Just my thoughts. Cheers from Down Under.

[@tnreloader8236]

I bought a Howa 1500 in 300wm for under 500 dollars new. I topped it with a Vortex scope for a little over 500 dollars. The rifle shoots sub moa with Winchester 180 grain XP's. I also have it shooting sub moa with my 165 grain speer grand slam handloads using IMR 4350.

[@jcows12]

I also like the howa 1500. I tried some new s&b 131 grain sp 6.5 creedmoor ammo today and made an oval hole I was excited to see it shot that ammo so well.

[@Hurleytube]

Man I’ve been looking at rifles for too long. Looking out of my price point just because I like frills but cat really afford them. You last statement to buy a rifle and spend the rest on experiences really made me think man. Thank you You might have just changed the way I think and helped to make some great future adventures with my kids

[@Prisonmike89]

Buy a Tikka and go have fun!

[@Hurleytube]

@@Prisonmike89 honestly. with 5 kids and being the only provider for the family. after being laid off 8 months forCovid. I’m still paying for that mess. I’m that broke that a Tikka is pushing it even. I’m hunting with my Sks at the moment. The way Canada is looking with gun laws. I won’t even have that as an option soon. But yes. Tikka is probably the way I’m going regardless. Just a reach and making me think about going the Ruger American route

[@Prisonmike89]

@@Hurleytube Hell yeah man nothing wrong with that. I am blue collar so I know all about that, use what you got. Setup will only get you so far kinda like what you see in the video, training will get you good results. Not dropping $3k on a gun setup! cheers

[@1776carpediem]

Phenomenal video Jim, thanks for showing the Burris Veracity PH. I’ve been super interested in it.

[@brett9382]

Personally, the best rifle I have ever shot has been my tikka t3x veil in 308. Kinda splits the cheap and expensive in half. Good luck finding a smoother action, guaranteed sub moa, fluted barrel, super light weight and ridge stock, cerakote camo finish over an all stainless steel barrel and action, has a removable magazine, comes with a threaded barrel, amazing trigger out of the box, what more could you ask for? I've personally taken it out to 1000 yards with no problem. I honestly wouldn't trade it for anything.

[@JsaephanhMienMusic]

Weatherby. Meat eater

[@malinkifox2011]

Only problem is 6.5cm they come in 24” barrels which I really dislike

[@ericblackwell9254]

This makes me wonder, if some version of the Pareto principle (also called the "80/20 rule") applies. If 100 is akin to perfection, then 80% of perfection can be achieved with a simple setup, but striving for the remaining 20% to achieve perfection will get very pricey. 🤔

[@TheStig505]

I'd say that's accurate. Modern budget bolt actions are sub-MOA capable for under $400 sometimes even combined with the scope. That'd be good enough for 99% of hunters.

[@captainflint89]

Was a professional deerstalker in the Scottish Highlands for 7 years before my injury and I used a second hand ruger in .243 I bought for around 200 pounds but I used an expensive german optic . I would regularly shoot same hole groups with federal ammunition . I was always told by older and wiser men spend on the optics and get a reputable but cheap rifle

[@Skrimpish]

Always listsn to ths old timers.

[@mikepoelzer]

That mountain reaper is my dream rifle! I would run a Burris Eliminator over the Veracity. If budget was not a concern, of course! The built-in range finder makes the shot a lot quicker. On a hunt last winter, a friend dropped a cow elk in its tracks at just over 700 yards with a 308. Right through the heart! Made me a believer of the Eliminator.

[@jtn-minn8105]

If you put the right dope in a eliminator and do some practicing and tweaking there hard to beat as far as speed and ease of use.

[@sethboyce9832]

Excellent video. I’m closer to the cheap end than the expensive end lol. I feel like there’s never much talk or emphasis put on being able to make a cold bore first round hit at distance in a hunting rifle. The more expensive scopes and actions and stocks with decent bedding help. A range finder is a must. Sure a person can go shoot sub moa groups at 800 yards with a $500 rifle and scope combo but making a 600 yard cold bore first round hit within 3” of aim point is a whole different ballgame if that’s something someone needs to do. I kinda get the feeling that everyone thinks oh I get sub moa out of this rifle so I’m good

[@michaelheiss4456]

I've played heck trying to get shots to group with a hot barrel ! Have a nice accurate couple of shots and them , where in the world did those go ? Did my scope mounts loosen up ? Hmmm , nope ! Thin barrel , Cool it off and the accuracy came back ! 😁

[@randysmith8604]

@@michaelheiss4456 most rifles can only shoot 3 then its over. If you have a brake then you may get more . My tikka in 300 win mag can shoot 6 shots in1/2 moa to a little less. Yes with a brake. With out no it can not do the same. This is with reloads. If it matters.

[@ShootingUtah]

I really like the $1000 range for rifles, specifically the Bergara B-14 series of rifles. Or maybe a Tika. You really get the best of both worlds, lots of the features that are most important are top notch and the cost isn't astronomical.

[@danielc.2042]

I've been eyeing a B-14 Ridge in 7mm Rem Mag. Gun shop near be has them for a little over $800.

[@sapperROSS]

They are heavy af tho. The b14 wilderness is 10lbs

[@rickhofmeister2125]

What’s your opinion on the new b14 squared crest

[@tonycanniffe2360]

Agree- you hit the ‘very marginal improvement for a lot more $’ barrier. Tikka is hugely popular here in Oz for that reason. Bit more than a thou for a Tikka bc AUD.

[@brianquigley7336]

Yeah. I have a couple of Tikkas. Super accurate. Nice triggers. Love em.

[@sammyciuriuc9625]

This is exactly why I followed for a long time. Because of your honesty . Not everyone has a limit budget or no budget. Thank you for bringing some stability to this plain field.

[@tonylopez6213]

What a great video! One of the best thus far, in my opinion. My set up costed me ~1400 including taxes and it shoots great! Weatherby Vanguard Badlands in 7mm-08 Vortex Diamondback 4-16x44mm Harris Ultralight S Series bipod Vortex Pro Series Rings Leupold Backcountry Cross-Slot Picatinny Rail

[@johngeorge2081]

I would love to see a rematch, only with 1 small change. How would the ruger stack up with the addition of an MDT stock, steel mags, and bi-pod? What's the upgrade cost/benefits?

[@randysmith8604]

Me too. However i bet just a scope that’s capable and the range finder. Would be all it needs. I have 400 dollar howa 1500 in 308 with a 1200 dollar scope and it shoots 600 yards no problem . I did put a trigger up grade plus reloading. Nothing else.

[@tnreloader8236]

@@randysmith8604 I have a Howa 1500 in 300wm with a Vortex. I wouldn't trade it for anything.

[@1badombre82]

Yeah. I built my 308 savage axis with 20 inch 1/10 twist bull barrel, 10x swfa scope, steel rail and rings, cheap trigger job, and I jb weld filled the stock. Shoots .75 moa with hunting ammo and the whole build (original rifle and optics included) cost $900. Yeah it's not as smooth as a $5000 rifle but certainly is as accurate as 1

[@uoislame]

feels like the accessories are more important if you have a good rifle. range finder, good scope, and bipod look like they make the most difference. plus, practice. gun only as accurate as you are.

[@backfire]

I'd agree with that.

[@GunsAndGrenache]

Awesome video Jim !! Thank you for the great comparison! :)

[@Wallyofthewild]

Thanks for another great video! I actually was considering the tiger American and upgrading the stock and getting a great optic.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

An American plus a quality stock is almost 1k get a Tikka ctr

[@brettheiner7125]

Great video - I like super nice guns as much as the next guy, but it’s important to understand what you’re getting for your money. The law of diminishing returns is very real and stark when it comes to rifles.

[@ranchodeluxe1]

Not really. If collector value and performance is a concern. I've been shooting pre 64 Model 70s for decades. Pretty cheap over time as they appreciate greatly over time.

[@wildernessgreggoodfellow2269]

I have the Sig Sauer BDX system and it uses technology to give you an exact drop point. You sync your scope and rangefinder together put in your load data on on the app and then you are good to go. Range the target, a red dot appears in your scope where you hold and bang dead whatever. No turning of dials at all just range and shoot. Its freaking awesome. But you do have to buy one of their rangefinders and the scope so that does add more cost if you already have a rangefinder. So I can see the advantages of the Burris .

[@denisleblanc4506]

But you can buy a reasonable scope and their rangefinder for the same price as the Veracity. Don't know how the glass compares. I have a feeling the Burris might be a little more accurate because of finer adjustment BUT with the Sig you don't have to dial. I think the Sig Sauer BDX system is all you'd need for hunting at reasonable distances, the Burris might be better for those really long shots. But in the end they both depend on the data you imput and their ballistic programs.

[@trevort8388]

Great thread guys. I have tried the Sig setup and I find that past 500 meters the combo of a Leica 2800 and a kestrel with manual dialing works better. I just find my NF glass far superior to the Sig product - even without the HUD / red dot.

[@denisleblanc4506]

@@trevort8388 No doubt the glass is better than the Burris or Sig Sauer, but as a hunting combo yours is probably significantly more expensive.

[@jameseroh6544]

I bought a collection of rifles for the grandkids and others in the family to shoot. Some have scopes, and some do not. I got one Desert Tech rifle that cost more than 5 of the other rifles. And that was a "cheap" rifle in their offerings. But the PCC rifles that are lever action or semi-auto seem to be more popular. Just because the ammo is plentiful. And the kids love to shoot!

[@gunguy-yg2zr]

I have a ruger American ranch in 300 blackout. The rifle is in stock configuration and I have mounted it with a leupold vx3hd 3.5-10x40 affixed to the provided ruger pic rail, a magpul moe bipod and a flash hider to protect the barrel crown. The rifle weighs 8.1 lbs with the attachments and loaded with a 10 round magazine of Barnes 120gr tac tx ammo. I have shot 7 different types of factory ammo through it including varmint rounds, both solid copper and bonded deer loads, hollow points and fmjs. Obviously I have shot some less than perfect groups with it that can probably be accounted to barrel heating, wind, mistakes on my part, and inconsistency’s in the stock shooting from my bipod. But I took the best groups fired from each of the loads I have used (since they show what the rifle is capable of doing with that load in the best conditions) and came up with an average group size of .970 inches. My smallest group to date with it is .339 inches and the largest I believe was 2.25. 3 shot groups since it was bought for short range hunting and I have no reason to test more than that with it. I plan to continue plinking and testing it with more loads but so far I am amazed with it. I paid under $550 for it after tax, and it is not the only ruger American I’ve had that was consistently a sub moa gun. I believe ruger has set a bar for what cheap rifles should aspire to be. If you are watching this to decide whether or not to get an inexpensive rifle to start hunting or to save up and buy something better, get yourself a ruger American now. Start hunting with it the way it is and upgrade the trigger and stock over time. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.

[@gsitzkowitz]

I guess I’m lucky and you’re not. I’ve mentioned before that my, now out of production, Thompson Compass that I paid $275 for with a $10 trigger spring shoots 1/2 MOA with most of my handloads included 175 ABLRs. But my $320 ADL Remington 308 bought on close out at Academy sports will shoot an inch or better all day with loads it likes. High dollar guns are for impressing people at the range. They really don’t perform any better in the field. My buddy has a Mossberg, it shoots well, mine did not. The Ruger is a champ, period!

[@charlesmorgan1879]

Nice video ! I researched yt alot for a good value rifle back In 20/21 decided on a Ruger American , looked a .270 but the "ammo shortage" made me pick .308 and went with upgraded go wild camo version . Thanks for the content.

[@sapperROSS]

I got the go wild in 7prc. Just can't find any 270wsm ammo

[@michaelheiss4456]

My buddy uses a Ruger No 1 and it is a sweet Single shot rifle extremely accurate and he has a range compensated scope , know the range twist the dial and bam !

[@cleanncrispcutz6027]

This guy just seems like a super genuine cool dude lol like I just wanna hang out with him for the day. Another quality video keep it up man

[@evansmith2279]

I’d like to see the Ruger compared with the same scope as the expensive rifle. I get that this is a measure of the totality of the respective budgets but it’d still be a real measure of the Ruger itself on equal terms.

[@JsaephanhMienMusic]

Get a weatherby

[@Extra_Ordinary_Gary]

Love these videos. For a more "apples to cheap apples" comparison, might be cool to mount one of the cheaper SIG scope/rangefinder combos on the cheap gun and see if it makes a big difference

[@jerryavalos9610]

The key to making an inexpensive rifle into a tack driver is the scope. I have a Mauser 98, custom stock, put a medium weight barrel on it, good rings and a mounting plate with a Arken optic on it. Rifle is a tack driver.

[@debi5292]

Love this content! How about an old vrs new in the same vein? Lots of older guns can still really shoot well, I think. If you use the same optics, then it becomes a contest between rifles. 👍

[@kleingarrett55]

Great video! I shot a PRS match with a Ruger American Predator(thicker barrel) with a Magpul stock(ACIS mags) and a Monstrum Tactical scope(6-24x FFP).....everyone was amazed with my sub $1000 setup and how well it worked.

[@scruffyarms]

Ahh come on the Mossberg Patriot shot a .33 group with my 6.5 PRC Hornady Precision Hunter. But Yes the Ruger American regardless of the chambering shoots amazing. I have the .243 and .308 American and they both shoot 3/4 MOA. I think you mentioned in the Patriot review that the older chamberings offer too much variation, but the newer chamberings are doing really well. I think I have seen very good groups out of the Patriot in the 6.5 CM and PRC. BUT My Model 70 in 270 Winchester is so much nicer. My M77 So much nicer. There is a HUGE difference when you crest the 1K or 1.5K for a rifle. Not even really a contest. But honestly if you are going to just hunt, get a Ruger American don't even mess with the other budget guns. I really like this video.

[@backfire]

Glad you have a good one. Check out the groups I was getting with my Patriots on this channel. I have two of them and neither could shoot MOA.

[@scruffyarms]

@Backfire I watched them and WhoTeeWho and almost didn't get it because man the .308 for you just sucked. But after watching a few others in 6.5PRC I went with that and I have upgraded the snot out of it. But I would never tell someone to get a Patriot over an American

[@chathamknives1822]

Great video! Work up some loads for your Mossberg. Give it another test. I’ve got mine shooting a consistent .500 3 shot groups at 100 yards. Yes its a .308. I enjoy getting rifles too shoot the best they can thru handloading and with this one it was no easy task. I now have a few good loads for it and 3 sub MOA loads. Really enjoy your channel!

[@TheWVgoodguy22]

That “Catch some deers” and Ruger American 🇺🇸 is pure Who Tee Who reference and I am here for it. Lol 😆 So funny and awesome 😎.

[@keevanrobinson6257]

This is good for a quick comparison of cheap vs expensive, but how about expensive vs moderate budget. I would love to see a comparison of the two with a mid to higher priced rifle vs that reaper. I think it would be an interesting situation.

[@jcows12]

I think if the bottom tier rifle can compete, than the mid tier could be equal or greater fairly easily. 1000 for a scope is about 600 more than I would spend but in the world of scopes it's mid or even low cost too, and I've heard it said spend the same on the scope as you do the gun.

[@keevanrobinson6257]

@@jcows12 hey there!! I wouldn’t spend as much money on a scope that I would on a firearm. I would say that spend the money on the scope that is going to do the job you need it to do. I have a 350 dollar scope on a 1500 rifle but that’s because I’m training with that scope while I’m training for a bench rest comp. It may be that I use that same scope to compete just to see what it will do. But I’m also of the mindset that cost doesn’t always equate quality.

[@jcows12]

@@keevanrobinson6257 yeah personally I agree, the gap between a 300 dollar scope and 3000 is probably pretty small. The best scoped I have would be leupold vx freedom, diamond back hd, or a redfield revolution. Nothing fancy and they leave a little to be desired but so far they work. Not everyone can afford a night force or Swarovski or trijicon. Training is more important than equipment. 👍

[@jackb1888]

Ruger American Predator is far better than the standard American model thicker profile barrel, stiffer stock, better magazines and threaded, the only downside is for caliber choices 308 barrel goes down to 18" and no 25-06, 270, 30-06, RH 7mm08 unfortunately.

[@joncook6331]

Agreed. I have it in 6.5CM and it’s a solid gun for the price point

[@jackb1888]

Nice I'm looking to get one in 6.5 creedmoor later in the year, got one in 204 Ruger with an Infiray day night scope for varmints, would have another in 223 any day

[@randallcl9925]

There are really good guns in between these, I own three Ruger M77s and love them. Bought two used (like new) for around $500 and got a great deal on a new FTW Hunter for $600. Then $350 to $600 for a scope (watch for a sale) and I'm good. So for me $1K is all I need. Also got a Rem 783 (no longer in production) Walnut on sale for $350 new. Fantastic rifle for the money, great trigger, beautiful walnut stock, great barrel, with $350 scope all I need in 6.5 CM.

[@DaUnaDistanza]

that tripod you used for the pro gun i have used before in my sniper team. I still despise the price point but it was the best tripod I've ever used. extremely stable with zero wiggle. I wasn't terribly happy with the ball joint because it's easy to lose your upright position and cant the rifle off to one side when you are adjusting to a new target but still a really good tripod.

[@matthewgrauer2770]

Great video, just getting into longer range and ordered a Savage 110 Precision in 6.5 CM but have not committed to glass yet. Saw a really nice Vortex Strike Eagle but can't justify the cost right now. My son recently purchased a Ruger Precision in 6.5 CM and one thing I noticed was that the front sun shield contacted the barrel shroud, took a few shots to realize it wasn't level with the receiver; was that happening in your setup? I noticed the near contact as well...

[@brandonnash5554]

Great review! I love this channel. I would be interested in seeing a comparison on a budget mid-grade rifle like a tikka t3x or bergara b14 with a mid level scope. Does a $1200ish combo close the gap?

[@chadperry4021]

I would’ve like to have seen a redo using the range finder after the fierce’s turn. I don’t believe the range finder should count towards either price because it’s not attached to either gun. If I’m shooting with friends, every rifle there benefits from the rangefinder.

[@yungskullivan]

Cool video 😊 I wanted you to shoot the long shot with the ruger and rangefinder. No way I could justify the extra several thousand on the fierce. I could maybe be talked into a sweet folding chassis and suppressor though

[@masone4589]

I decided to spend a little more this time and bought a Fierce. I’m beyond impressed! You get what you pay for and if you pay sub $400 on a rifle, you are going to get sub $400 in quality

[@rickhofmeister2125]

I just got the mtn reaper I 300 prc waiting for scope but so far super impressed.

[@KeepTheGates]

100%. There's a point of diminishing returns with price, and there are some companies that genuinely just market their guns as "top shelf" without the specs to back it, but people with pay it. 90% of the time, the more expensive gun will be the better gun until you start pushing past $3000 - $5000

[@8asw8]

0:45 First and foremost, for 3000 bucks that thing could look a lot better.

[@backfire]

Really? It's the coolest rifle I've ever seen! I guess looks are just personal preference. I'm surprised you don't like it though. Do you prefer the look of more traditional guns?

[@nathanielgray4235]

I think it looks vary nice.. I get only if modern is your look

[@8asw8]

@@nathanielgray4235 I mean looks are subjective but damn thats an ugly gun in my opinion.

[@8asw8]

@@backfire not necessarily but that one is just so damn blocky. It looks like build out of lego to me. You are right though, its personal preference. Not my cup of tea! The scope looks interesting though. I am curious how much it will be when it makes its way to Europe

[@jleano609]

When it comes to the budget end of the market you really have four things to consider. Barrel, action, trigger/safety and stock. My personal experience with the likes of Ruger American and Savage Axis is that modern CNC manfacturing and QAQC can nail the first two, barrel and action. Pretty much any modern barrel and action is capable of sub MOA performance. Trigger? As long as you are smart and select a gun with an "upgraded" trigger like the Savage Accutrigger you are pretty much good to go there too. A little bit of fine grit paper on the sear can accelerate bedding in and you will end up a pretty crisp 2.0-2.5lb trigger with minimum creep. Do you need any better really? I don't think so. Sometimes you get a plastic safety lever/button which is a bit disappointing though. It works fine and is plenty durable but metal, even if MIM, would be preferable Then there is the stock.....that's where these manufacturers skimp. Just a nasty piece of injection molded plastic with maybe a metal bedding block built in. They flex at the fore end and they can fit badly, both you and to the receiver. You are far better off going for an upgraded stock direct form the manufacturer like Magpul go after market with a Boyds laminate. If you can sell the original and recoup a bit then great but otherwise understand that it's the stock that is often the difference between the budget rifle and it's more expensive big brother and that may be a price worth paying if adjustability if a feature of the stock therein.

[@outdoorsman2b918]

Cool and informative video. A video I would like to watch: If you are at different budget levels, say from $1,000-$4,500 in $500 increments, which is the best, most reliable and most accurate rifle you can get (including scope an absolutely necessary accesories) either stock or assemble? What you will invest the most or what will be more important? A heavy barrel, better trigger, better scope? From priority no. 1 to the least important, how you will focus to improve 1st vs last?

[@Luke-yf9ik]

* Paid for by Fierce Firearms.

[@backfire]

I'm sincerely sorry I didn't meet your standard in this video. Help me to understand your viewpoint, though. I OPENLY acknowledged SEVERAL issues with the Fierce in this video AND even showed many aspects where a $350 rifle matches up to it, AND in the conclusion I said most people would be happy with a less expensive gun. However, you still feel I was biased? That doesn't seem like a fair accusation. Am I wrong?

[@austinshadle7585]

You are on the up and up; however, your twin is in Fierce Firearm's pocket. LOL! Seriously, nice video. Love the channel.

[@calvinborer6572]

I bought a Ruger american predator in 6.5 creedmoor shorty after they came out. I put a magpul stock, muzzle brake, and a vortex diamondback tactical on her and I've hit a 12 inch steel gong out to 700 yards and 500 yards is easy once you get windage hold figured. I haven't really played much past that distance given our lovely Nebraska wind is usually blowing 25-60 mph so them days are few and far between that wouldn't require a 100 foot of windage adjustment lol. I've since gotten a Bergara wich touts a little higher end vortex on it. I absolutely love the Bergara and like Backfire I think they are an amazing bang for the buck however I still take my Ruger American out just as much as the Bergara and never feel inadequate or under gunned granted I'm no professional or high volume shooter. I also forgot to mention I have Ruger American Ranch 5.56 which takes standard ar mags. I'm not sure if that's a factory option in all calibers now or not? My 6.5 Ruger american came with the rotary magazine like in the video but it now uses ar10 mags after the Magpul stock and feeds like a dream now!

[@MrTacklebury]

Cheap for me. I add a nice Boyd's stock and a decent scope and have no issues. I shoot out to 1000 yards with my 7mm Mag TC compass in a Boyd's featherweight thumbhole stock with a Konus Pro 6-24 x 44 scope. Just saying, you can fix the bad stock etc. For my support, I just use a set of caldwell bags. I also have a 6.5 Grendel in an AT-One Stock with a 6-24 x 44 Firefield mil-dot on and it's great. Not for long range hunting, but in the 300 sub range, which is what I use. I also have 6.5 grendel AR with 20" barrel and free-floated M-lock forend with another 6-24 x 44 Firefield Mil-dot scope. All are threaded and work with my silencer and I have less in all three than you have in the one Fierce. I guess if you have the cash do as you wish. I get plenty done with my setup though and I have some variety as well. ;) note: these are just my longer range guns. I also have levers, shorty bolts, pistols, shotguns, etc.

[@edwardsheridan9962]

Great video I watch all the time do just range the target then adjust the scope to the same range

[@e.l.robbins5614]

I've got a Fierce carbon CT Rival in 7REM mag, and the gun shoots winchester deer season ammo in half-inch groups. It shoots a 139 grn Barnes LRX factory ammo in the same hole if the shooter is doing what he is supposed to. The only other load shot through the gun was hornady american whitetail, and that was at a half moa. The gun has been very reliable. I want their new ct rival with the detachable box mag. If springfield would make the waypoint in a 7 Rem mag, I'd get that instead, but that will never happen.

[@sabianpearce4955]

Thanks for all the work you put into this and all of your videos! Much appreciated! Looking for the bipod and tripod used in this video. Orderd the rifle and scope already! Thanks! Sabian

[@jwdundon]

I have the fierce mountain reaper. Mine has a thermal scope on top about a $6 or $7,000 setup in gear and rifled but what drives me batty is that humongous mag release on the bottom. It's very easy to bump that and have your mag fall out on the ground (real world hunting that is).

[@MrRockstar1968]

Accuracy isn't just down to the gun it's also depends on the ammunition you use, some ammunitions are more compatible than others to each individual gun. You can also use a harmonic barrel tuner to tighten groups too.

[@2ASupp0rter]

I really enjoy your videos, you provide a fair review regardless of personal bias. Thank you!

[@darrenbowers3267]

I like nice guns! I don't mind spending the money I just saved till I had enough money to buy it then I put good scopes on them. I have always been that way. I bought a Christensen arms Ridgeline in 6.5 prc last year shoots 1/2 moa and I love that rifle and the trigger is the best I have ever seen on a hunting gun. I do own two cheap guns a Remington 788 in 222 shoots one tiny hole groups and a ruger American in 300 blk out as a toy shoots 1/2 inch groups. I am a nice gun guy other then those two everyone has to make there own choices buy what you like but put good glass on whatever you buy. Darren

[@jeffhoward6541]

My Rugar American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor shoots my hunting load a 129 grain Nosler Acubond and a max load of IMR 4350 into 0.75" and a Burger 140 grain Hybrid with 41.5 grains of H4350 around 0.50" both 5 shot groups at 100 yards. It does have a Bell&Carlson fiberglass stock I bought on sale for about $150, and weighs about 9.5# with a Weaver 4.5X20X44 AO scope. The magazines are more reliable now but I have cut a small V in the front so as I am chambering a round and the bullet point dips down it glides across the V and up into the chamber and is 100% reliable.

[@jackdundon2261]

I have the Mt reaper in 308, it cost 2200 BRAND NEW AT Cabela's (they are known to be over priced). It is LIGHT, and folds up for storage. And it HOLDS accuracy with my AGM Thermal scope. (When I pull it on or off). Seams to be a fine rifle. Butz my 60 year old Rem 700 in 308 can out shoot it (of course it outshoots ANY RIFLE- as it shoots 1 jagged hole at 200 yards).

[@avocado9763]

Great video. I learned so much. For me there's too much technology with the tripod, high end scope, range finder. It takes the humanity out of shooting. The high tech makes it too easy and that takes the fun out of it for me. Thank you I will be buying a Fierce.

[@jamesbliss9329]

Really great video..... lots of helpful views as to what is worth investing in.

[@noahhorinek]

My thing is that I can't not mess with a factory rifle, so I just end up going to customs anyways. I owned a Sako 85 Bavarian (stupidly sold it) and that was the nearest to perfect I ever had straight from the factory, but I had to shorten the stock to fit me. Now I'm looking at getting a Tikka Hunter in 300 WM, buying a takeoff 6.5 creed on ebay, and rechambering it to 264 win mag. That, and shortening the stock and installing a red decelerator pad. Good content, Jimothy my boy

[@jaredholm4907]

Just got a bavarian a few months ago, the craftsmanship is to die for and i promised myself to leave it as was intended.

[@SteveHill6268]

On My Remington 700 PCR 308 Win, I put a Timney Calvin Elite set at 8oz, 0 take up 0 overtravel, On my Mossberg I put in a Timney Mossberg LBA Short Action set at 2 lbs., 0 take up 0 overtravel. The Mossberg Patriot is chambered in 5.56 and uses AR mags. I live in communistic Canada, I knew they were coming for my AR's. I got to say, the triggers make a lot of different. My 700 at 100 yards I have put 5 rounds of 168gr BTHP in a group that can be covered by a nickel. I decided to post this as I saw the cheap rifle had that BS trigger safety. by a good aftermarket trigger.

[@DavidJones-lw2lp]

I have a Ruger American Rimfire but for my centrefire rifles it is Tikka T3x, 3 of them. 👌🏻

[@mattcheney7006]

Awesome video and love the channel. Please do a detailed review of the veracity ph!

[@tomlodge1256]

I have a really old Remington .308 that I got from my dad... well used old guns, are kinda like a good tool... and are usually the least abused.

[@GTMGunTotinMinnesotan]

That closing video shot on the top of the hill was awesome man. Awesome country there.

[@mastrsk8]

Love that news Burris scope. I’m hoing to be purchasinga Sig Cross and put that scope on it. Great video. Thanks

[@blueskiescleanwaterfreshair]

Loved this. For all the affordable & expensive reasons to own either. Very cool.

[@JettBlast]

I have put together many PSA built lower receivers with BCA uppers, and they have been awesome! BCA is making great stuff and rifles that people are looking for in so many calibers, like he said the items are a great price! And they have great customer service they get it fixed and back in a week or less! I have people refer to Anderson AR-15s as "Poverty Ponys" and turn their noses up at PSA or Bear Creek so they can brag about what expensive things they have. Then later they can't outshoot the competition shooters at the range that are using standard ammo and standard firearms who are just having fun and socializing with other shooters I really enjoy seeing the Barney Fifes who have all the high-speed holster and gear and a stack of gun publications who talk a big game but when the old pros leave them in the dust! Milspec is, more than most people will ever need most people can't outperform their firearm.

[@jamesR1990]

I know that high end scope has extra projected features in it, but how does it compare to the SIG BDX series? I've got a BDX 3.5-10 on my Weatherby Mark V

[@eparkerh15]

I've had the same feeding issue with the Ruger Rotary mags. Especially with shorter cartridges. After I swapped to the AR and the AI magazine wells, I have not ran into the problem again.