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[@nrgpowercharger2003]

Dude your turbines are made in vietnam and most of your turbines are falsely advertised too.

[@billydreed1]

Hey Wes I got the same results with my "500 watt" turbine. After 4 months the controller failed and I had to buy a new one. Never got 100 watts out of it and after a while the blades started chipping. I scrapped the whole thing last month and crashed it to the ground. Frustrating as hell.

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

We felt similar. We were hoping to carry it as a VERY cheap entry level machine but even the noise of it put us off.

[@billydreed1]

@@MissouriWindandSolar just comparing $/watts.. its a ripoff! your systems are cheaper and actually work! ill be ordering 2 big turbine systems next year

[@SteveDurante]

finally, a legit, pro review of those cheap mini's. (confirming the low wattage) thank you.

[@kenyattaweathersby1002]

Right. Nobody has done a legit review

[@nunyabusiness2191]

I bought my 1700 watt Missouri Freedom a little over a year ago and was not impressed with the power as i never saw more then 400watts. Then just recently it stopped working all together because their open style PMA allows water to get in and puddle around stator. It corroded it bad and the copper wires were corroded right through. They said it only has a MONTH warranty and I must be by salt water..i live in Michigan lol. Complete waste of money.

[@nunyabusiness2191]

@phill unrau my experience didn't work out with them and I see others also. You should just get panels. You get a faster return of your money.

[@jimthomas777]

I bought 4 PMA rotors in 2016 and 2017 , I watched Jeff's videos over and over again , I did exactly what he said to do , I then built all 4 PMAs using his step by step instructions , I then tested each one for 5 minutes at 1000rpm while making power under load , each one performed great , then I increased the speed to 2600rpm for 10 minutes each , all worked great , I then increased the speed to 3600rpm for 30 minutes each and all 4 worked great , I used GM 12si Alternators , I greased the bearings , painted the inside just like Jeff said and 4+ years later each one runs great . I keep hearing stories about how people got ripped off and it's junk , I would have to lean more towards the product is good , it's the people who don't know exactly what they are doing is the problem , They don't balance anything , they just put it together and expect it to work because it's brand new , But if you go buy a brand new set of car rims and a brand new set of tires , get them mounted , they still need balanced , any thing that spins needs balanced , it needs maintenance , it needs cleaned and regreased , not just watch it spin days upon days without any issues , anything mechanical can break , the trick is to prevent it from breaking with proper maintenance , You get the oil changed in your car don't you ? Why ? Because it makes the engine run longer and better , stop blaming the car for not running and blame yourself for not checking and changing the oil .

[@SCUBADUDESMITTY]

DONT USE THEYRE CONTROLER,,,,,! use a REAL meter to see the output of the genny itself !!!

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

I hear you - our goal was to try and present it as out of the box as we could. If you throw out their controller and have to buy another, your costs (and headaches) start moving you into you-should-have-bought-from-MWS-to-begin-with.

[@SCUBADUDESMITTY]

@@MissouriWindandSolar you are rating the controler,,,,NOT the genny,,,im not a fan of chineese ANYTHING,,,,,but I would like to know what it puts out from the head !

[@fluxpistol3608]

Why would anyone listen to a guy who starts the video with a lie?

[@240sxrb26gt28]

I got 400watts peak out of mine...But pole snapped in half due to high winds & no guy wires probably 40-50mph. Rebuilt PMG & shaft, actually have y’all’s raptor blades on it now putting 100watts on temp 10ft testing pole.

[@240sxrb26gt28]

In a week or 2. I will work on a video of it on 60ft tower & on Midnite cp bulk charge controller.

[@buzzsah]

I have purchased from MWandS a few times and happy with the items, however, this test was not a comparison, I also found the hight really doesn't make it work better, I had it on a 30ft tower, mover to a 50ft tower then added a 10ft pipe making it 60ft. Not long after I had to put up and antenna for a network system so removed the turbine. To keep it from being damaged I installed it on a roof 12ft high using a 3 ft tripod and 2 ft of pipe. It is working better than ever, maintaining 6 groups 31 deep cycles that I use to run the communications 10 hours a day, that is 5 radios keying at 90watts, and 1 at 50watts approximately 20 mins of key time per hour and 10 hrs rx. This is mwands 400-watt turbine and running 6 years. Damn, I'm long-winded. lol

[@billydreed1]

sounds like a lot of radios.. do you have a repeater? Im trying to build a mobile repeater out of a couple of maxtracs (uhf)

[@buzzsah]

Hi Bill, no repeater. There are no open freqs around here for one. I do have a portable/mobile repeater I made up using 2 UHF/VHF radios ready to test, but right now I am using the 2 radios for other uses.

[@pulesjet]

Would like to see what the Chines Turbine would produce using a diode pack.

[@ChristophersVanLife]

I know some people who have bought some of those and they are now the same people who hate wind turbines. The while time i was twlling them BUY MISSOURI WIND AND SOLAR TURBINES. But some people just have to learn the hard way i guess. I have the freedom turbine from you guys and just waiting to get my dump load ordered then its going up on my van. I will always buy from you guys.

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Thank you very much for your kind words - and wait until you see what we have coming!

[@ChristophersVanLife]

@@MissouriWindandSolar i have always been a fan of you guys and will always tell everyone to buy from Missouri Wing And Solar

[@GeorgeBP81]

For a load dump I guess I would just get 100 W filament light bulbs and put them in paralel to as many wats that I would need. They are cheap and easy to wire up and to change when they go out.

[@ChristophersVanLife]

@@GeorgeBP81 I also have the 12 volt water heater elements that I bought from Missouri wind and solar

[@MorrisLiveProductions]

I've watched you guys evolution. Awesome job guys

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Thank you - you're very kind.

[@johanbrittz9054]

Hi Wes, is this setup you showed on a 24V or 12V system? Won't the wattage delivered be higher on a 24V system compared to a 12V system at the maximum typical Amperage rating of 15A?

[@monaxp606]

Hallo Sir....how much dirvertion load should I connect with a 300/400w wind turbine ? BTW I'm completely new in this matter, just planning to buy in order to charge my battery at night also. I've complete dc system (solar 350w) in my roof now.

[@canalsentir]

thanks for that! 😊

[@shaunwhiteley3544]

Have you tried it with one of your controllers, see if any improvements? Cheers

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

We've been a little indecisive on that - the way this thing wins people is the stupid-low price point. I don't know that we even want to waste the time putting on one of our controllers because if you did that, your price starts to creep up and you get to a point where you could buy our Delco-style.

[@shaunwhiteley3544]

MissouriWindandSolar Thanks for the reply. I’m in the UK, we have a lot smaller gardens than you do on average so a smaller system is more suitable for us but it would need to be more efficient, hence my question. I doubt shipping a full wind turbine system from your location would be cost affective but it may be worth it just for a controller and just attach that to one of the ‘good’ turbines from China that are cheaper because of the government assisted delivery costs.

[@razvanduta3563]

Thank you for sharing. It is disgusting to advertise such output and not produce even a quarter. All the Chinese fakes on the market will be disappearing sooner rather than later.

[@bartfoster1311]

Thanks for doing the research, the results are about what I expected. The chinese made batteries are the same way, they may say 10k mah but only actually has 2k.

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

It's sad really - when you take it out of the box, it feels like a solid, sturdy machine. And it kind of went downhill from there....

[@basedbear1605]

Neng pian jiu pian. This is a Chinese idiom.... In Chinese, this means "If you can cheat, then cheat." This is a cornerstone of their cultural philosophy, and why NO ONE should buy Chinese products...EVER!!

[@hc8714]

@@basedbear1605 lol whos cheating who for buying a 400w under $200. You know very well it's too good to be true, right. If not you have some problem of your own. Knowing it is 50% of the label, 200w for $200 is still great value.

[@proper2979]

Would like to see you compare your wind turbines against the Archimedes turbine

[@sierraromeo]

The orange labeled MPPT "low wind boost" controller has a boost feature. Running through a 3 phase bridge rectifier will give lower voltage. Braking occurs when the battery connection is open or when the battery is at 14.5vdc. In high wind, it will brake when the controller sees 14.5v, regardless of battery level. The torque and brake hp of the 5 blade turbine must be around 2hp in 20mph winds, its a shame the PMA is so under sized. I wonder if low quality, weak magnets could be upgraded

[@TarrinLupo]

Can you plug your turbines into a battery power bank like a Bluetti or jackery, I can never find a straight answer to this.

[@awesomusmaximus3766]

I bough a cheap 3000W Ebay turbine I'm expecting 500W the build quality is amazingly good

[@dansshop]

Why is the battery voltage (V on 'your' meter, which is actually a very common chinese meter we can buy all over the place) running down around 9 or 10 V while it's producing power? I should think that with a 12V system which I assume is what you're charging here, it should be upwards of 13 or 14. If for some reason the voltage is held down like that I expect the machine would be running in stall and could never run properly. I'm not a 'fan' of all the roof mounts. Seems the chinese turbine you got and lots of others are knock-offs of the old Air series from SW wind power. I always thought those were over rated too, although tehy did produce rated output around 28mph. The chinese one may do the same, even so though ~ that's an awful high speed to rate a turbine at. Plenty of other comments I could make but I'll leave it at that ;)

[@mohammedmurad3787]

400W PER DAY NOT PER HOURE !!! welcome to CHAINA . HI TO YOU FROM SAUDI ARABIA

[@Windturbinebod]

Very informative thanks. This Confirms my findings some years ago.that 400 watt unit was only £150 or so and made similar low Current Wattages as you show here. I guess if in windy Alaska Canada scotland even a steady 0.5 Amps could keep your lights on, rather than using a Gas Generator.

[@zodiacfml]

if this is $120, it is not bad for about 40 watts 24/7. it would take approx. $200 for a panel and LFP battery to match this. however, the wind installation cost and solar panels scale better.

[@veggiegiant]

Great video - thanks for sharing 👍

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Thank you, Veggie.

[@otahu26]

I'll take that for a win.. 5 blade cheapy Amazon. It is Cheap and it's still Producing some POWER.. Who cares if doesn't reach over 100 watts.. I have the coleman solar panels and they never reach the 100 watts they are rated for. I just chalk it up to parasitic loss through the system and wires.. I've had my'n up for 5 years and it's all working as it should. Wind mill at night keeps the batteries topped up and I never see below 12.8 volts off the batteries unless there is No wind and NO solar... So it's doing it's job to me. Still got 2 grand into the cheap off grid system though. So not that cheap. Would I run a house off it no. Would I run a camp Fridge, tv, Computer, Phones lights. You bet.

[@michaelvanallen6400]

*All practical tests show that small wind turbines hardly generate any electricity. And only at costs above 1$/kWh!* This turbine only generates 21 kWh in 3 months (see min 2:53)! There is hardly any wind near the ground. And it is also very gusty, which extremely reduces the service life of the systems. *With solar systems, you can reliably generate electricity for about 8-12 cents/kWh over a period of 25 years!*

[@davefroman4700]

If you know what you are looking at, you can find good products from China. I have 2 2kw turbines that are going on 4 years old. Other than replacing slip rings last year after one failed? They have been awesome. They produce a steady 1500 watts each in a light breeze and Ive seen them peak at almost 2400 before the self furling kicks in. Buying something advertised as 2000 watts that weighs less than 20kg and has a blade length of 4 ft? Of course you are getting ripped off. Buying something that weighs 50kg and has a blade diameter of 8ft? You have a real 2kw turbine.

[@W7DXW]

Wes, great to see such a good and well-reasoned bunch of setups. Can you help me as a beginner with a hookup please? I've taken the plunge and bought two Chinese turbines, one vertical and one horizontal. I have three-wire wind generators, and common inexpensive potted wind rectifiers/controllers that came with. All three wires from the generator are the same color: Red. And the three controller wires are all the same color, also. Does it matter which generator wire goes to which controller terminal/wire?, or can the hookup be made in any fashion, and still have the same (identical, is it?), best result? The face of the controller package has a diagram of a three-bladed wind turbine blade, with the center wire of the three controller wires coming from the second (middle one) of the three generator wires. If the order of the hookup matters at all, how can I determine which generator wire is that center wire? Or, as I speculate, since all the wires and terminals have the same color, does the order of the hookup to the controller (rectifier) simply not matter at all? In any case, how did YOU proceed, and manage to get a good result in the hookup? Please help! Others here may have this question, too. Thanks!, --Joe / Tucson ARIZONA

[@808pathfinder]

So they say your paying for a 400w but your getting a 100w instead, uhmmmm? Just one of my solar panel 230v beats it, even if I can't charge it at night,

[@paradiselost9946]

Cant expect much more than 50w in an average wind with less than 7ft of disc... The only scam is peoples ignorance.

[@TheMathMax]

i've been looking at those cheap chinese wind turbines. Can clearly see they are junk. I'm impressed with your wind turbines. You'll be hearing from me up in Nova Scotia when I'm ready to purchase.

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Thanks!

[@martinsteele5171]

Hi can you recommend a really good Chinese turbine at about a kwh that is quite and good. Regards Martin steele

[@skoto.power.systems]

Good information 👍 thanks a million, I was just about to order one for myself.

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Absolutely - and I'll say it again, if it was worth a flip, we'd buy them and sell them as a starter but it's more toy than power generator.

[@Sam-black]

so it must be time to try it on a different controller

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

I don't disagree - the point of the video is that you can't get 400w out of the box for $75 (or whatever).

[@FREEDOM-sd9my]

Do another video China vs. Missouri W&S and show there output vs. yours.

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

That is in the works

[@WingAddict]

@@MissouriWindandSolarI don’t see that you guys did ever produce this video comparing to yours? Please let me know. I am interested.

[@justinharder6420]

Do you have any idea what the shaft rpm would be spinning at?

[@timking7139]

Hi Wes, Does the size of the wires coming from the turbine determine the deliverable wattage? I just purchased a 12V 400 watt Chinese vertical wind turbine and the 3 phase wires coming from the turbine look to be about 16 awg. They are smaller than the 14awg controller wires that came with it. You mentioned in the video that it's rare to see 100 watts from yours, just wondering if the wires are to blame. The wires on mine just seem to be very small, but not sure cause I've never owned a wind turbine before. Should I be concerned? Thanks you in advance for your input.

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Almost 100% certain it is their "black box". We have one of our Dual LCD Panel Meters hooked up to it and you can watch it brake when the wattage gets too high. It's kind of a shame.

[@deleglen]

best company ever, im going to go off-grid soon and this will be my choice !

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

We're glad you've decided to work with us. We're happy to have your business, Jonathan.

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Thank you!

[@kontikinomads6750]

Communist watts are less then normal watts 😅

[@simonac688.]

Wonder wy im not surprised ✌️

[@djexotic07]

if i get this turbine, can i used a different charge controller to get that most outta the unit.

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Thanks for watching! Please contact our sales team and they will be happy to assist you. 417-708-5359 [e-mail]

[@nickjimenez4262]

Appreciate what your doing. Im interested in getting a wind turbine for the new house im buying. Im a complete novice. Live in Northeast Tenn. and would like to try and either supplement the power to the house either thru wind or solar or both. Very curious how i would go about it and the cost involved. Any advice for someone just getting into these types of energy.

[@sydfrissell]

Hey Nick! I'm Syd - also in NE TN in the Tricities. I have the same idea to install a sustainable wind and solar hybrid system that is grid connected DC to AC. I am also a novice, but I did study solar systems extensively a year ago. Message me on Facebook at Sydney Frissell. Maybe we can together do this.

[@HawaiiPoolResurf]

I bought a wind turbine from Amazon 800watts it's average amps is 2-6amps see high 7's here and there works for me in my area average wind speed 15-30mph daily

[@mattlawton4715]

Great video Chinese is always a compromise like the 18650 ultra fire 9000 miliamp which just about produce 1 amp every thing chinese is well over rated electric bikes cars all lies cheap cons just to get your money and people fall for it every time if your stupid just buy it but honestly you cant beat good quality items the thing is they actualy work out cheeper making there rated power and lasting a long time. We shouldn't be pushing for cheeper cheeper you ruine the industry and end up with crap then for company's to compete its hwo can sell the cheepest crap 👍

[@WilliamShreeve-hu6ts]

Thank you for your efforts...I would appreciate knowledge on the best system.

[@beholder4465]

those same ones now are 200+

[@paulatteberry3165]

We use Missouri wind and solar pmg 1600 watt with 3 365 solar power a 1600 sf home and it powers the whole house easy and the only maintenance is battery's once and a while.

[@turtlezed]

Maybe you could cut the dump resistor in that turbine and then see what it gets up to? For the money it would be worth destroying it to see if it has any effect? 20mph isnt it’s rated speed tho, 22.5m/s is the std I believe so if you could observe it around that wind speed with the dump cut it might show better results… experiment?

[@johnq8792]

The wind turbine works better without their original controller, better connect it directly to a 3 phase bridge rectifier and then to your battery.

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

We don't disagree but that's like buying a new car and saying the transmission in it really doesn't work so toss it and put another in its place. It's like they're not even trying.

[@joemendyk9994]

@@MissouriWindandSolar You are sounding a bit biased......not surprised. But, can you buy a cheaper brand, spend a bit more to tweak it, get decent results, and still spend less than the cost of what you are trying to sell?

[@sierraromeo]

The orange labeled MPPT "low wind boost" controller has a boost feature. Running through a 3 phase bridge rectifier will give lower voltage. Braking occurs when the battery connection is open or when the battery is at 14.5vdc. In high wind, it will brake when the controller sees 14.5v, regardless of battery level. The torque and brake hp of the 5 blade turbine must be around 2hp in 20mph winds, its a shame the PMA is so under sized. I wonder if low quality, weak magnets could be upgraded

[@johndrake6480]

Any chance you would be willing to take the cheap Chinese controller off and use your companies system and rerun the test to see it's maximum performance? I have one and trying to have it charge my camper but wanting a turbine from your company for my all electric home here in Indiana.

[@onrino]

Missouri wind turbine still good for poor wind sites

[@chrismead1464]

I'm looking for a small wind turbine to help charge a 4 battery system, will these work for that? Any input on how long they last?

[@HNXMedia]

Solid review! Thanks!

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Thank you, HNX.

[@bobbyhaney8322]

Just watched a video review of what appeared to be the same model 400W by a guy overseas, same result no more than 100 watts. He changed the controller and was able to get around 200W so your most likely correct the stock controller it comes with is holding it back.

[@allzzizzwellzz5841]

Do all wind turbine so noisy?

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

More often than not, you will not find yourself creating a video on a metal roof next to 3 wind turbines. Wind turbines in their natural environment are very quiet.

[@alan30189]

Wouldn’t a 400 W wind turbine produce 400 W at certain wind speed? And why the breaking? Will the turbine burn up if it was producing 400 watts? How does this Chinese wind turbine compare to other 400 W wind turbines? I hope Jeff is doing well!

[@wesshank5595]

Sadly, the Chinese wind turbine is a mess. We really wanted it to work out because it has a strong price point and we felt like we could get more people using wind. What we ended up finding out is that the side of the box is printed with every wattage they want to sell and when you buy a 400 watt unit, they grab a box, check the box on it that says 400 watts and ship it to you. Next person buys a 300 watt, it's the same unit they just check the 300 watt box. The controller they had on this particular unit would brake way before 400 watts so even if the turbine could produce it, there own hardware was limiting it.

[@goldienakamoto7894]

i liket htis video guy seems trustworthy buying my first turbine from here..just ordered mpp lvx6-48freakin stoked!!!

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Thank you! We look forward to working with you.

[@mattsmith6824]

If i bought one and changed the controller to a better quality do you think it would be better.

[@MrBobWareham]

I am looking for a wind turbine so when are you going to open a store in the UK we have lots of wind here in the Uk and people can only purchase China crap from Amazon so you would do good business

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Hello Bob, we ship worldwide! We've got lots of wind turbines in the UK and would be happy to ship one your way. You can shop our site and choose the shipping method you prefer. Let us know if you have questions or if we can help you with your order. You can contact us at [e-mail] or call us at [phone].

[@InvestWithQueenie]

Awesome content keep crushing it ✨

[@mahipalsinghtomar7981]

Hiii sir,I am from India, can u tell About price of this wind turbine

[@videoworks7731]

nice thanks

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Most welcome

[@ericsims2078]

If the controller it came with is auto braking it, could you get a different controller to go with it? Just curious if that would make a difference or not.

[@wesshank5595]

Probably - but with each replacement purchase your "cheap" wind turbine is getting less and less cheap.

[@joey011582]

I was wondering what meter do I need to use to track my power production. I have one of your raptor G4 freedom turbines. Also how would I hook it up and do I need a dummy load and battery to meter the output?

[@darrenguy4300]

you did not take into consideration of wind wash from the front wind turbin

[@gerardkeaveny9746]

Make sure you balance the blades on those things

[@chrisg4632]

Thanks very helpful!

[@nelsonquimbyjr5681]

i have a Freedom Wind Turbine 1600 watts and got a ?? what gauge wire is good to use i hear 12gauge then i hear 10 gauge then got one saying 6 gauge ?? iam new to wind power i done solar now for awhile so any help would be thank full thanks

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Please give us a call or email and one of our sales staff would be happy to help with this project. 417-708-5359 [e-mail]

[@onrino]

Wow

[@WizzBang75]

Thanks for the info! We won't be getting one of those!

[@stevenwatson2333]

Hi were can I get one of them meters pls

[@royamberg9177]

Junk

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

I wish it wasn't - if it worked, it would be a great starter system to get people interested in wind.

[@royamberg9177]

@@MissouriWindandSolar need 4 kw in size do do anything. Then you'd have some thing. Has got to be UL listed can't install it in Minnesota if it's not

[@davethemmp3763]

I am curious to see the factory where MWS turbine generator is built in America?

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Hold that thought. :)

[@HighRoad317]

Excellent content!!!!

[@Good-Enuff-Garage]

really appreciate your honest non biased review and insight

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Glad we can help!

[@Good-Enuff-Garage]

@@MissouriWindandSolar do you all sell just the blades? please and thank you

[@adamwinters4448]

Out of the box , it's very hard to get good results..yet I have used your hubs and blades.. with a heavy duty rectifier ..and have gotten above and beyond results .. You just gotta play with em a little

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Wouldn't disagree - the point of the video is that you can't get 400w out of the box for $75 (or whatever).

[@adamwinters4448]

@@MissouriWindandSolar I appreciate you taking the time to make this video

[@caleyhall]

I reckon that huge one on the left of it is causing the turbine to spin slower, there’s other videos on here with the 300 watt ones producing just under 300.. also depends on the wind speed right..

[@nandabun]

Why would one turbine slow down another.

[@caleyhall]

@@nandabun what do you think would slow down a wind fan..

[@candymand4452]

by The Way Whenever When Ever You Get Around To Doing The Test & Review On Those 2 Recent Up to Date 12/24volt Ac Chinese Wind Turbines...Number 1 The 4,000watt Model & Number 2 The 6,000watt Model...Please Do Demos With Your Charger Controller Versus Their Charge Controller...I Believe Your Charge Controller Is Better & Will Prove To Be Better

[@brownsrvlifecampground9322]

Cool video

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Thank you!

[@pdan62]

you're prettier anyway. :D

[@MissouriWindandSolar]

Thanks 😅

[@candymand4452]

I Am So Happy To See A Test & Review On Those So Call Cheap 400watt Chinese Wind Turbine From A Reliable Source Souch As Missouri Wind & Solar....Now I Also Request That You Do A Test & Review On 2 Other Chinese Models I Have Recently Number 1 is: A 5 Blade 12/24volt AC Wind Turbine Model Boasting 4,000watt. And Lastly Number 2 is: A 5 Blade 12/24volt AC Wind Turbine Model Boasting 6,000watts....I Would Really Appreciate That. Keep Up The Good Work. I Love Your Videos

[@ftrudeau]

Tur-bine not Tur-bin. Typical American.