CHEATING On WRECKING BALL Is Actually Terrifying | Overwatch 2 Spectating Cheaters

[@piskipa]

Losing with cheats is just the most embarrasing thing I can think off lmao

[@GummyDinosaursify]

Game sees that someone has 100% accuracy after 500 bullets, it should go "wait a minute, something aint right" and flag that account. The fact that Blizzard doesn't have this kind of system to me is absolutely wild. Minecraft had this kind of detection in their admin console 10 years ago as a built in feature, I have no idea why Blizzard wouldn't be able to do the same.

[@Sykzord]

I'm afraid it wouldn't work since in that case a cheater could just shoot the floor/walls on purpose to lower their % accuracy and look less suspicious to said system.

[@Hoodini2253]

@@Sykzordyeah but lots of cheaters are stupid af and wouldn’t even think of that so it’d still be a nice thing to have. It’d still get some banned

[@Sykzord]

@@Hoodini2253 Maybe, but it'd be a short term fix for a long term problem at best, specially once more cheaters understand how this system works, meaning even the stupid ones would learn how to avoid being detected by it.

[@ACuteAura]

they do, which is why some cheaters (like the ones that reached top 500) also shoot the air a bunch to get the acc% down.

[@maxieflyr]

They're probably too focused on squeezing every penny out of their players

[@Skatche]

Does it really matter whether the cheat is obvious or subtle? Honestly I'd much rather face a rage hacker in my games, because then there's no doubt; but I encountered a subtle cheater once (only once that I'm sure of) a couple weeks ago, and ever since then I've been absolutely paranoid, scrutinizing the kill cams and replays every time I get diffed. Had to force myself to kind of forget that cheaters exist, just for the sake of my own mental health. BTW, another benefit of ban waves that I wasn't aware of: all those dissatisfied customers issuing chargebacks to the cheat providers at the same time. You really wanna stack em up to make sure the cheat makers have a really bad time.

[@Shzl47]

also, if there's enough time between the cheaters buying the cheats and them getting banned, then the refund window may have passed. There's gotta be some cheat providers with money-back guarantees.

[@Skatche]

@@Shzl47 Well, it's kinda not up to them. It's the payment providers that handle the chargebacks, and for PayPal at least the period is something like six months. And given the questionable legality of cheat software, cheat creators need to think very carefully before disputing them.

[@legojay14]

Unfortunately as useful as it is. When cheating is this prevalent. More needs to be done to address it so players know you haven't abandoned even trying to stop cheaters. Especially since if the method blizzard detects is found and patched in a week. That's 3 months of frustration for absolutely nothing. That would kill games better than overwatch

[@Alex-j8m7j]

Why can’t we have both? Ban waves and banning obvious rage hackers? I have a hard time believe there’s no software that can detect someone cheating in a game.

[@BrosTheNugget]

Well, the reason for ban waves isnt necessarily to just get rid of a cheater, but to make it harder for the developer of the cheats to write a fix. For example, if i told you that you could use cheats and only doing a sepcific thing would set off the alarms for the anticheat, if i banned you immediately after you activated that one thing, lets say spin botting, then the developer would know "ok, for some reason the system can detect spin botting, so now i need to test some code and find a way around it." Now, if you di the same thing, but instead let them go through multiple games, winning and losing using all sorts of different programs, and then banned them a little later, they wouldnt know for sure what set it off, so theyd have to test everything and figure out what went wrong that way. I do think it would be insteresting to see what would happen if they just made the anticheats hyper aggressive and instaban anyone using anything that flagged the system like it does these cheats, bdcsuse these people do eventually get banned, so the system knows. The problem is thst an instaban is also instant feedback for the devs of these cheats, and if i was a dev for cheats like these, id want to know what triggered the ban right away. Sorry, this is a lot. This was how ban waves were explained to me by a security specialist, although it could be different for a bunch of other games of course

[@marcusjohnson8649]

Your understanding is spot on. They used to ban immediately (as soon as they could detect on that garbo anti-cheat at least) way back in the old days when patching was way harder to do and slower. Nowadays I’d argue they’d just be better off putting cheaters in low-prio queues and bot games subtly, thrn banning them after a bit in order to protect game integrity and slow cheat development. But also XIM’s are extremely difficult to detect so… idk

[@zee_guy4506]

But when the detection could be as simple as, flag a player with over 95% accuracy at the end of a match for review... that would not give any information to the cheat creators. Even moreso when there is actual recording of them spinbotting. Individual bans for that kind of cheating would give literally zero information to cheat developers.

[@marcusjohnson8649]

@@zee_guy4506 Yeah the people who are blatantly visually cheating should be banned just based on having eyes lmao. Egregious rage hacking like there has been lately is just unacceptable

[@BrosTheNugget]

@zee_guy4506 but technically having that level of accuracy isn't impossible, and falsely banning someone from the game isn't something that people want to see happen

[@zee_guy4506]

@@BrosTheNugget hence why I said flagged for review.

[@guardianzg6]

@4:43 Yeah, they broke anti cheat a few patches ago with the torb ddos. The anti cheat is nonexistent because s it's literally not working.

[@gamingbean6440]

is this actually true?

[@TrollGuyy]

@@gamingbean6440theyre being hyperbolic but sometimes it really does feel like their anti cheat isnt working with the way cheaters are running around so often and free

[@bryceschug486]

Sauce?

[@jiaverse]

lmao this was the first time i was in a stream as it was recording so i got deja vu seeing the intro and got confused until i saw myself in the chat 💀

[@DarkestNova556]

4:49 At minimum, cheating should be a hardware ban.

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

With a SWAT raid

[@laurence4352]

no way! my people! how could they! the honour of the Ball main has been trampled!

[@RedForceProductions]

I think you might need a gaming chair sponsor when you spectate players like this. The gaming chair this guy has must be unreal.

[@growingtogether35]

know what I think would be wild Diva on one of them zero gravity chairs lol

[@charleshaines9715]

It isn't that it's impossible to detect blatant hacking, it's that it would take resources to run a program to detect that. And it's just easier to use a report system and costs a lot less.

[@mylan4742]

5:34 perhaps if they begin to immediately ban rage-hackers - which seems to me what you’re suggesting: that if someone is hitting exclusively headshots, they should be instantly banned, that way they will buy another account but if they do the same thing they just get immediately banned again so there is no point. I’m assuming they don’t do this because then cheaters will adapt and become far more subtle and harder to spot… I suppose it’s the dilemma of: do we let them run rampant and absolutely obliterate games, but having been detected very early on. Or do we want subtle cheaters who are able to get away with it for a much longer time, and are merely ruining games by being slightly better and turning the aimbot on for specific shots and perhaps off for others.

[@ItssApachi]

They should use counter strikes "overwatch" system where players review vods of reported players and send a report to the folks who deal with cheaters. Pay no mind that counter strike has an abundance of cheaters

[@Aon_Duine]

Love when a cheater get rolled like this. The team started to actually work together by the end. That Kiri deserves to be reported too, they were helping this ball the entire time. Even at then they used suzu on the ball to save them

[@AngelxMp3]

on BALL of all characters

[@PurpleMoon799]

i mean ive seen a cheating moira, not that crazy 😂

[@AngelxMp3]

@@PurpleMoon799 okay i revoke my earlier statement… MOIRA??? you mean the character that takes NO AIM?? please tell me it was more than aim hacks

[@PurpleMoon799]

@@AngelxMp3 haha watch flat's video its crazy

[@bigmuskie10]

The Ana didn't tea bag Mauga, she butt smudged him lol

[@The_LadyAJ]

Having the kind of detection that will hard block a cheater sounds like a great idea in theory, but in practice it would give prospective cheaters a lot of information. The definition of 'rage-hacking' is not as clear cut as it may seem. What is the threshold? When is it rage-hacking and when is it subtle enough to not be? What percentage of accuracy is high enough that it counts as rage-hacking? The problem with them banning immediately at a certain threshold, is it can give cheaters the information they need to know what the 'limit' is in game. You don't want them to know the detection limit, or they can much more easily work around it and create subtler cheats that are way harder to detect. It's not a perfect solution, especially with things like SR loss, but people aren't auto-banned for a reason. What Blizzard really needs to do, is a retroactive SR neutralization system when the player you've matched against or with previously has been banned for cheating. Like when a cop is investigated for corruption by Internal Affairs. All of their previous cases are put into question. When someone is banned for cheating, all of their previous comp games should be put into question in the same way. Obviously, going through on a game by game basis with each cheater would be unfeasible. But a blanket SR reset would be easier to implement.

[@owengineering6768]

At this point, they should just make it so that if someone maintains accuracy over like 90% over 2 minutes into the game, it enables aimbot for all players XD

[@soldier-qb1dm]

The biggest issue with an anticheat that detects on a flame to game basis is that at higher level of games you will always have people that will set the anticheat off and could get banned but they should look into reports more

[@icycloud6823]

That isn't even the entirety of it. What if you have someone high ranked from another game come in and just completely destroy in terms of aim but have crappy game sense, so they get stuck in the lower ranks? It would likely set off an anti-cheat that goes based off of stats, and even if the system takes rank into account the new player would be an outlier and would probably get falsely banned just due to their good aim. High rank players creating a new account would also probably set this system off, though maybe with a grace period you account for this since they would very quickly be pushed back to their normal rank anyways. But for someone with amazing aim but garbage gamesense, a grace period wouldn't really help them. Since they'd likely get stuck in a rank disproportionate to their aim. Banning based off of stats would very likely result in a ton of false bans even if you try to take rank into account.

[@le3299ify]

The reason is cos if u ban them stright away via auto detect they keep making subtle changes till it doesnt auto ban but I think there has to be a system where if like 5 players report u then u get kicked or something and make it so if u abuse the system to get people kicked u get a ban.

[@pud469]

There has to be some kind of stat based detection. However, since they allow smurfing (unlike other games), a smurfs first few matches would most like trigger a ban. Please don't block out the cheaters name, it can be helpful for others that watch these videos report sus play from the same person, and contribute to reports actually banning this person.

[@TrollGuyy]

many games use stat based detection . if players have a certain kd or above they will auto flag them for manual review . im pretty sure no games allow smurfs in their terms of service the issue is this rule is never enforced its not just blizzard games . valorant league of legends apex and rainbow six siege just to name a few dont enforce their no smurfing policy . i think smurfing is pathetic and u wont grow as a player by beating up on low players but companies would rather not enforce the no smurfing policy to inflate their total active players and sell more skins

[@janaaf8646]

I was thinking the same thing... if someone has 90-100% weapon accuracy after dealing a certain amount of damage that should be detected as cheating (because only rage hacks can maintain that accuracy consistently)

[@Gamespectives]

Blocking out a cheaters name is like censoring a wanted poster of a thief or a murderer. These people are criminals so they lose the right to privacy.

[@someGuy-kl7cb]

the person locked mauga probably thinking "braindead hero ez win" when mauga ironically actually REQUIRES basic game sense to pull off now, since cardiac is the crux of his viability, and not having cardiac just means you die. and cheaters lack that basic game sense for him to work.

[@eyeles8887]

kinda sad to see that the ball was still getting support til the very end of the game. could be a duo, but still sad

[@lruddy8820]

Im not a tech guy so i dont know but why cant there be an anti cheat that detects unnatural movement or speed so when a super fast lock on happens you dont have to detect a cheat you just detect ‘hooman cant move that fast’

[@willwallinger5932]

That's my understanding of how Captcha works. It tracks mouse movement, not just clicking the right pictures. A program will most likely just move the cursor in a pixel perfect straight line at a constant speed, as where a human will have small inconsistencies in the path and speed.

[@temmlygaming5509]

Would only end up helping for hitscan cheats projectile ones move around a lot with micro adjustment​@@willwallinger5932

[@ApeEscapeLover]

It unfortunately can't be based on only speed or anything like that; it'd almost certainly have to use machine learning. Reason being that there are viable reasons for someone to crank their dpi in an FPS. But you're right, they could probably do it if they spent time training an AI to spot it. Most likely after the game finishes though.

[@skittlemenow]

I don't know why people would think that there would be less cheating in QP. Cheating is based in narcissism that doesn't go away just because it's not competitive.

[@sadrhogollsodia9505]

Ya love to see a team come together to stomp a cheater.

[@lruddy8820]

My assumption is ppl who cheat in qp are the same people who are scared of ranked and loosing sr so they gotta go into qp so they can practice using cheats because even with the cheats they still worried they gonna loose sr

[@TgPepper]

I’ve never seen a good Hammond cheater, uh oh. It’s not as terrifying now that CASS IS META but yk

[@Yuusfw]

cause hammond needs good mechanics

[@ShogunWay]

😂only in pc, it’s so RARE on console. I find it funny that every time Somb Tp away Ball was lost but the Aimbot got her

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

Very rare but not unseen. Had a cheater in my Plat 1 game last week. Hard-core too. Cheating is bad on all platforms

[@AbashedCarc]

I also dont understand why there isnt a system that catches blatant hacking... if a character spins 90 degrees in 0.001s and hit consistent headshots - I think they might be sus :D

[@PipGodTrappin]

I LOVE DEEZ VIDEOS NO ONE ELSE SEEMS 2 CARE I MEAN ITS ALL RANKS SHINE DAT LIGHT EMON GG

[@Indie-A-tom]

Ball got wrecked at the end xD

[@andrewsanders17]

4:36 not 100% if it is the same style of anticheat however the anticheat I am familiar with will detect the things which go into the ban wave and records the information however it cannot determine the exact severity of the cheat. Example a person who Xrays in minecraft gets a lot of diamonds the anticheat will display how many diamonds and record the information however it doesnt have the ability to say well this person is cheating but only collected 10 stacks so I will just record the information but if they get 10 stacks and 1 more then it can ban them. When the anticheat is "on vacation" it is less that the anticheat inst working but the actual humans. Sure some cases a cheater will be immediately banned; those cases include and are typically limited to either the cheat software messes up a check somewhere along the way alerting the anticheat or people draw attention to the person using reports. At least the anti cheat I am familiar with puts a higher priority to banning chaters who would be on the list if enough people are recognizing and reporting it to the system. This is done on what I call a problem scale if a person is cheating their name goes on the list however if no one reports the cheater then their cheating must not rise to the point of being a problem. If one or two report over a good breath of time it also keeps the problem rating low because it is rare for them to effect others with their cheats; I.E. they suck and can only hard feed even with cheats, the type to make bronze 5 look like masters. The cheaters who cheat to face the cheaters who cheat the game. Many reasons to be lower ban priority and be lower on the problem rating. However on the opposite side of the coin if multiple people reported a player for cheating and the system has already determined they were their problem rating goes up. At certain thresholds it can lead to the anticheat banning the account before the ban wave. Going back to the minecraft analogy it would be like one person xraying to find diamonds while another person is walking around with kill aura attacking everyone. While both are cheating one effects others enjoyment of the game much more than the other. This was all speculation based on knowledge of systems I routinly work with in a different field and I do not know specifically if the blizzard anticheat works in the same way.

[@andrewsanders17]

TL:DR anti cheat cannot determine between rage hacking and stealth hacking to it, it is the same. Players reports give weight to the severity if it is like the ones I had worked with.

[@maw1988]

Just wondering if there would be value in a voting system where you need at least for example 6 votes to stop a match because of a cheater. And then nobody loses progress. But you'll need votes from both teams.

[@Hossman01]

At least three votes from either team would be awesome.

[@kingratgaming_OW]

That was satisfying

[@AngelxMp3]

happy 34th birthday steamer man!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@antipoetic1223]

if "the cheaters will always come back anyway", why wait so long in between ban waves? might as well just do it more frequently if you think they will all come back anyway. imo they (the suits) dont want to hire the appropriate amount of positions to maintain the anticheat/ban review system and so the dev team has to "get to it when they can" (this is beneficial to the excuse because its seemingly at "random" intervals to "throw off" cheat devs, and also maybe explains why chat/vc/name reports catch instant bans (they just set the system to auto the last time they had time to do a ban wave))

[@Roanoak]

We just had a Zen cheater. It was really weird and quick play tracking through walls every shot hitting perfect headshots... I hated it

[@NotAtoriXBL]

they do ban waves bc the cheat devs will make counters to the bans otherwise

[@linkintomusic]

What a happy ending. Cheaters always deserve a huge L

[@NopeNopeNope9124]

I dont get why companies dont just ban cheaters wtf

[@Splashbang_OW]

Whoever said there's no such system that detect cheats couldn't be farther from the truth lmfao.. They obviously don't know what they're talking about. Kernel level anti-cheats do detect cheats. It just depends on the developer. In Blizzard's case, they are intentionally not banning cheaters live because they focus more on ban waves, because they're under the impression that they'll stay ahead of the cheaters by doing ban waves once per year, but they're wrong, because the longer they let cheats stay in circulation, the more time the cheat devs have to fine tune and further develop their cheats and when we're talking about cheat developers, well.. They get their leaks from inside sources working at Blizzard. It's really that simple and that's why they tend to be able to stay far ahead of them. Some cheat devs even work for game studios, because the cheating industry is such a massive industry and they earn almost, i'd say the same if not more than they earn from their game dev jobs. Usually it's a low rank employee. Once Blizzard finds out whoever is feeding the cheat developers the leaked codes or whoever on their team is making cheats themselves to sell, it's easier to stay on top of it. Not ahead but on top of it, because that means that there is no more inside sources to get codes from, which makes it much harder for the cheat devs to stay so far ahead of the game devs and the anti-cheat. This is how it's been done since i worked with Evenbalance and their anti-cheat Punkbuster way back in the day. It's just gotten worse over the years..

[@Aon_Duine]

Kinda off topic, but i was reading the livestream chat and some dude said that they didnt want kernel level anticheats like in league. I didn't know what that was so i did my investigation and fuuuuuuuuuck, I also don't want that at all. Riot's Vanguard sounds pretty fucked up

[@AkromasFury]

How can you tell its hacking ?

[@phitc4242]

we gotta know who the hereos are!!

[@TheKillerman3333]

Here is the thing right, i wouldnt end up typing to defend myself if i was hacking. I would keep playing reguardless, and i would also cut back a little. i am already winning in the cheater's position. i wouldnt make accusations either. what has to be done is just keep playing. if your team stopped playing and you lose, you can report for game play sabotage, or throwing the game when you already made such huge progress already, practically winning the game out the gate.

[@GummyDinosaursify]

"i wouldnt end up typing to defend myself if i was hacking". Well, you're the first because the amount of blatant Ximmers and Rage Hackers I see in my lobbies, they all have the biggest mouths.

[@TheKillerman3333]

@@GummyDinosaursify exactly, as a lawyer once said "fight in in court not in the streets."

[@GunGrave357]

allllllllllllright so!

[@flyingfajitas]

Yeah, this is a hacked account. Bad week for sure in tech.

[@VestAround]

Hampter :(

[@justa3963]

To quote the not so great Miley sirus " I Came In Like A Wrecking Ball"

[@smittywebermanjenson6298]

Im finally youtube famous

[@realms4219]

A wrecking ball aimbot is a fast as fuck boi aimbot turret that can find and reach you anywhere. On a good ball player they'd shred the lobby. Also he does absolutely not know how to play ball. He has the game sense and movement of a potato.

[@rondiggity1677]

Man, I've played a lot of ball, and as we know this dude obviously has no clue how to play ball. That said, imagine if any of you ball players had these cheats. Ball is already wild enough you would win 90% easy.

[@JPIQQG]

Least skilled ball player 😊

[@darchdeath9636]

i wonder why they cheat maybe the game is bad maybe cheating is the symptom and the game and its community is the virus

[@yeetus076]

The thing is I dont really get why they are cheating? Like cmon their mechanics looked quite good, why cheat?

[@derunfassbarebielecki]

The better solution for dealing with cheater before a ban wave is putting them in only cheaters lobbies or severely impair their gameplay. X-Defiant for example locks speed hackers in place, so they cant move anywhere.

[@hypadao235]

If you do that the problem is that there are replay code of the game, so people would say "EveRyonE oN oVeRwATch" and them more people cheat, they can do that on Valorant because they conveniently never have implemented replay, they would need to remove replay code in OW in order to do that

[@derunfassbarebielecki]

@@hypadao235 why should more people cheat?

[@hypadao235]

@@derunfassbarebielecki because the first reason (excuse) why people cheat is "if they cheat i will cheat too". I don't think emong would have this effect with his video since it is more a 'roast the cheater' video, but a lobby full of cheater would 100% convice players to cheat

[@derunfassbarebielecki]

@@hypadao235 The first reason people cheat is insecurities and arrogance, I never saw a cheater who justified it by "other cheat too".

[@hjalmarselberg5653]

You really overestimated his ball mechanics tbh, a silver ball main has better movement

[@kylehouse1113]

if yall looking for some cheater content just vpn to OCE

[@MyCommentsRMaturelol]

Silver ball here. those mechanics were SOOO mid. The spot where he loses fireball on the first high ground was painful. It does happen to the best of us. But there are rarely swoop and boop slams. You NEED aim on ball but like. Use an ability, my guy.

[@sillekram9436]

This was so enjoyable when he was on ball! Watching the sombra melt :)❤❤❤

[@SamoyedSagas]

"seems he has a lot of shop skins" *literaly only able to see a single skin he's using* Does emongg even think anymore? Or does he just blabber on for 10 minutes so people stick around for his 10 twitch ads every 10 minutes?